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00:01:32,442\n部長也應該非常清楚即使預算沒有通過凡是延續性的預算它仍然可以照這個年度明年度可以照上一個年度來執行部長不會連這件事情都搞不清楚吧謝謝委員指教\n\n5\n00:01:33,776 --> 00:01:44,801\n所以我講的沒有錯沒有我想跟委員報告一下如果要延續的部分的話是人事費跟延續的計劃跟業務費對所以所有延續性的而非新興的計劃實際上但是延續計劃如果有增加預算規模的話也是必須要經過大院同意才可以有增加的部分所以只要是延續性的其實是不受影響我想請署長也一起來\n\n6\n00:02:02,108 --> 00:02:02,328\n主席主席\n\n7\n00:02:19,059 --> 00:02:28,384\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具«都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n\n8\n00:02:47,535 --> 00:02:56,161\n我們擔心的是違老的部分恐怕它就越來越沒有用因所以我要請問部長還有請教這個署長針對有關違老的部分我記得我在上個會期也針對這個問題有詢問過我們違老條例的這個落日條款還有這個容積獎勵的這個它越來越低我們有沒有一些研議跟補正檢討的一個措施\n\n9\n00:03:13,955 --> 00:03:42,835\n感謝委員大概分兩個部分因為之前所謂的10成獎勵其實它相對來講比較沒有要付出其他的這樣的一個公益措施所以當時的10成獎勵就一直討論不應該再延長但是我們相對是鼓勵危老的規模要擴大所以是用規模獎勵來代替逐年來代替這個10成獎勵這是第一個當然第二個就是說危老其實它當時設定了10年的這個條款\n\n10\n00:03:43,615 --> 00:03:44,776\n第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署\n\n11\n00:04:13,675 --> 00:04:13,715\n委員會委員會\n\n12\n00:04:34,787 --> 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署長好剛才我看部長跟李昆城委員一搭一唱就是針對就是我們現在就是退回總預算的部分部長也擔任過很久的立法委員請問一下現在退回總預算請問一下我們有沒有刪除預算現在的委員現在是退回程序委員會有沒有刪除而不是退回那個行政院所以不一樣這有沒有刪除\n45322\t70482\t繼然沒有討論不可能做任何的其他的決議。沒錯,所以沒有刪除。而且呢,我們退回是希望針對這個原名補償條例的法定預算的部分。因為立法院不能做增加預算的決議嘛。我想部長當委員那麼久應該非常清楚。然後我覺得李昆城委員也算是他腦筋是清楚的。他特別問了部長說哪些新計劃會受到影響。\n75006\t92442\t部長也應該非常清楚即使預算沒有通過凡是延續性的預算它仍然可以照這個年度明年度可以照上一個年度來執行部長不會連這件事情都搞不清楚吧謝謝委員指教\n93776\t104801\t所以我講的沒有錯沒有 我想跟委員報告一下如果要延續的部分的話是人事費跟延續的計劃跟業務費對 所以所有延續性的而非新興的計劃實際上但是延續計劃如果有增加預算規模的話也是必須要經過大院同意才可以有增加的部分所以只要是延續性的其實是不受影響我想請署長也一起來\n122108\t122328\t主席主席\n139059\t148384\t二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具 «都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n167535\t176161\t我們擔心的是違老的部分恐怕它就越來越沒有用因所以我要請問部長還有請教這個署長針對有關違老的部分我記得我在上個會期也針對這個問題有詢問過我們違老條例的這個落日條款還有這個容積獎勵的這個它越來越低我們有沒有一些研議跟補正檢討的一個措施\n193955\t222835\t感謝委員大概分兩個部分因為之前所謂的10成獎勵其實它相對來講比較沒有要付出其他的這樣的一個公益措施所以當時的10成獎勵就一直討論不應該再延長但是我們相對是鼓勵危老的規模要擴大所以是用規模獎勵來代替逐年來代替這個10成獎勵這是第一個當然第二個就是說危老其實它當時設定了10年的這個條款\n223615\t224776\t第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署\n253675\t253715\t委員會委員會\n274787\t279230\t二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n292998\t321167\t這是我們目前最大的功能跟最大的任務那災害救護的部分呢後續一定會有收容安置跟撤離這幾項過去包括我們的921大地震等等這些後續的這個可是原來宗教都在做啦其實宗教做的比我們比我們政府好太多啦可是我們更需要仰賴他們來幫忙以及提供意見所以他們要做什麼宗教組織要做什麼我到底誤解什麼我跟你講你說你說不放但要放什麼東西啊你講清楚啊\n321707\t322307\t二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具\n339953\t359404\t在宗教因為宗教在我們的這個社區裡面太多了嘛好那所以宗教只會放醫療性的物資還有糧食性的物資不會放任何軍火性的物資可不可以承諾我不清楚委員所指的是什麼在我們的任務裡面就是維持我們的收容安置跟撤離的功德他必須要能夠他如果是開放空間的話所用的其他的那個法源基礎並不在內政部的管轄範圍內\n368709\t369069\t二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具\n388180\t392464\t二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n407861\t432024\t你還是聽不懂我講的話你趕快回去想想看喔不要太緊張然後要跟我沒有緊張我想要回應委員的問題我們家旁邊的宮廟會放些什麼東西會做些什麼事情好不好是這個不在我們的法律管轄範圍內的這個一定要讓民心能夠穩定否則的話防任做不到反而會讓民心不穩謝謝委員的指教\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請部長還有我們國土署的吳署長好請部長跟署長\n委員你好部長好 署長好剛才我看部長跟李昆城委員一搭一唱就是針對就是我們現在就是退回總預算的部分部長也擔任過很久的立法委員請問一下現在退回總預算請問一下我們有沒有刪除預算現在的委員現在是退回程序委員會有沒有刪除而不是退回那個行政院所以不一樣這有沒有刪除\n繼然沒有討論不可能做任何的其他的決議。沒錯,所以沒有刪除。而且呢,我們退回是希望針對這個原名補償條例的法定預算的部分。因為立法院不能做增加預算的決議嘛。我想部長當委員那麼久應該非常清楚。然後我覺得李昆城委員也算是他腦筋是清楚的。他特別問了部長說哪些新計劃會受到影響。\n部長也應該非常清楚即使預算沒有通過凡是延續性的預算它仍然可以照這個年度明年度可以照上一個年度來執行部長不會連這件事情都搞不清楚吧謝謝委員指教\n所以我講的沒有錯沒有 我想跟委員報告一下如果要延續的部分的話是人事費跟延續的計劃跟業務費對 所以所有延續性的而非新興的計劃實際上但是延續計劃如果有增加預算規模的話也是必須要經過大院同意才可以有增加的部分所以只要是延續性的其實是不受影響我想請署長也一起來\n主席主席\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具 «都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n我們擔心的是違老的部分恐怕它就越來越沒有用因所以我要請問部長還有請教這個署長針對有關違老的部分我記得我在上個會期也針對這個問題有詢問過我們違老條例的這個落日條款還有這個容積獎勵的這個它越來越低我們有沒有一些研議跟補正檢討的一個措施\n感謝委員大概分兩個部分因為之前所謂的10成獎勵其實它相對來講比較沒有要付出其他的這樣的一個公益措施所以當時的10成獎勵就一直討論不應該再延長但是我們相對是鼓勵危老的規模要擴大所以是用規模獎勵來代替逐年來代替這個10成獎勵這是第一個當然第二個就是說危老其實它當時設定了10年的這個條款\n第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署\n委員會委員會\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n這是我們目前最大的功能跟最大的任務那災害救護的部分呢後續一定會有收容安置跟撤離這幾項過去包括我們的921大地震等等這些後續的這個可是原來宗教都在做啦其實宗教做的比我們比我們政府好太多啦可是我們更需要仰賴他們來幫忙以及提供意見所以他們要做什麼宗教組織要做什麼我到底誤解什麼我跟你講你說你說不放但要放什麼東西啊你講清楚啊\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具\n在宗教因為宗教在我們的這個社區裡面太多了嘛好那所以宗教只會放醫療性的物資還有糧食性的物資不會放任何軍火性的物資可不可以承諾我不清楚委員所指的是什麼在我們的任務裡面就是維持我們的收容安置跟撤離的功德他必須要能夠他如果是開放空間的話所用的其他的那個法源基礎並不在內政部的管轄範圍內\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n你還是聽不懂我講的話你趕快回去想想看喔不要太緊張然後要跟我沒有緊張我想要回應委員的問題我們家旁邊的宮廟會放些什麼東西會做些什麼事情好不好是這個不在我們的法律管轄範圍內的這個一定要讓民心能夠穩定否則的話防任做不到反而會讓民心不穩謝謝委員的指教\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.913 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