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--> 00:00:57,081\n公共工程委員會主任\n\n4\n00:01:13,971 --> 00:01:14,111\n主委．\n\n5\n00:01:38,395 --> 00:02:05,929\n價格應該是我們有一個資料有一個系統就是讓這個招標的這個機關那麼他們在要抓這個預算的時候這個工程大概預算是多少那工程會有一個基本的價格跟一個估算系統主要是提供給各辦理公共工程採購機關作為參考的依據是有這樣的一個估價系統也有單項的這個價格\n\n6\n00:02:08,756 --> 00:02:20,024\n我們審計部的報告指出資料庫沒有提供決標價格對應標筆資訊還有底價的價格那請問主委那缺乏標筆資訊還有底價金額的資料庫有助於我們各機關來做參考嗎決標應該有政府採購法我們的電子採購網決標的廠商金額都是屬於應該公告的項目這個都有公告所以不會沒有收集\n\n7\n00:02:35,828 --> 00:02:36,068\n這個要不要底價是來\n\n8\n00:02:51,562 --> 00:02:52,262\n法定人數不足\n\n9\n00:03:06,707 --> 00:03:12,290\n本席想就叫主委有關我們傳輸價格資料編碼正確率過低那通常他的流程是價格資料上傳然後供向編碼解析然後再來公佈我們價格的資料\n\n10\n00:03:32,461 --> 00:03:32,741\n主秘來回答\n\n11\n00:03:58,078 --> 00:04:17,734\n有關於編碼的正確性因為在公共工程的編碼會比較細所以我們現在希望就是我們會朝向就是說把這個各個編碼的要求的內涵再把它講精確一點希望各個機關能夠正確的了解這個編碼的內容然後提升它的正確率\n\n12\n00:04:18,334 --> 00:04:22,901\n工程會有沒有具體的規劃還有日程?盡快是什麼時候?具體的KPI\n\n13\n00:04:34,677 --> 00:05:01,620\n具體的說明只要像這種正確率低於40%我們每個機關都會把它每個月都會函文請他們要注意要提高這個正確率然後我們在年底的時候也會統一就正確率比較低的機關會特別把它列出來然後在整個中央單位都會提醒再說一次是\n\n14\n00:05:02,060 --> 00:05:07,202\n提供給我們的集合小組還有我們的經建會在預算上面的控管目前的正確率只有一半那有沒有計畫說要提升正確率\n\n15\n00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:29,020\n主席\n\n16\n00:05:45,942 --> 00:06:12,014\n那主委這邊想要這邊就是拜託主委那我們這邊110年至今5000萬以上的公共建設案曾經流包的件數均於70%以上那代表重大工程招標過程中有很多難處導致流標那招標機關還要需要修改招標相關規定之後再跑一次流程那導致時間延宕影響工程進行\n\n17\n00:06:12,874 --> 00:06:19,837\n本席希望工程會能夠來積極協助以上的我們的交通建設招標作業那降低流標的可能性順利的讓我們這些重大的工程可以順利招標那請問主委可以承諾本席嗎\n\n18\n00:06:38,285 --> 00:07:03,559\n好這個都是桃園市的相當重要的軌道工程還有道路工程那金額也都很龐大那必要的時候我們工程會會來跟招標單位有的是桃園市政府那麼就合約怎麼修改或者是是不是要有物條等等來進一步來協助讓他順利能夠決標好謝謝主委以上\n\n19\n00:07:07,630 --> 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謝謝主委以上\n427630\t428199\t謝謝邱若華委員質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席主席凡請工程會陳主委請陳主委委員早主委好主委早主委省紀部針對112年中央政府總決算的審核報告已經在今年的7月29日公告工程會有收到嗎\n政府採購法第11條第一項規定主管機關應設立採購資訊中心統一來收集共通性的商品還有同等\n公共工程委員會主任\n主委．\n價格應該是我們有一個資料有一個系統就是讓這個招標的這個機關那麼他們在要抓這個預算的時候這個工程大概預算是多少那工程會有一個基本的價格跟一個估算系統主要是提供給各辦理公共工程採購機關作為參考的依據是有這樣的一個估價系統也有單項的這個價格\n我們審計部的報告指出資料庫沒有提供決標價格對應標筆資訊還有底價的價格那請問主委那缺乏標筆資訊還有底價金額的資料庫有助於我們各機關來做參考嗎決標應該有政府採購法我們的電子採購網決標的廠商金額都是屬於應該公告的項目這個都有公告所以不會沒有收集\n這個要不要底價是來\n法定人數不足\n本席想就叫主委有關我們傳輸價格資料編碼正確率過低那通常他的流程是價格資料上傳然後供向編碼解析然後再來公佈我們價格的資料\n主秘來回答\n有關於編碼的正確性因為在公共工程的編碼會比較細所以我們現在希望就是我們會朝向就是說把這個各個編碼的要求的內涵再把它講精確一點希望各個機關能夠正確的了解這個編碼的內容然後提升它的正確率\n工程會有沒有具體的規劃還有日程?盡快是什麼時候?具體的KPI\n具體的說明只要像這種正確率低於40%我們每個機關都會把它每個月都會函文請他們要注意要提高這個正確率然後我們在年底的時候也會統一就正確率比較低的機關會特別把它列出來然後在整個中央單位都會提醒再說一次是\n提供給我們的集合小組還有我們的經建會在預算上面的控管目前的正確率只有一半那有沒有計畫說要提升正確率\n主席\n那主委這邊想要這邊就是拜託主委那我們這邊110年至今5000萬以上的公共建設案曾經流包的件數均於70%以上那代表重大工程招標過程中有很多難處導致流標那招標機關還要需要修改招標相關規定之後再跑一次流程那導致時間延宕影響工程進行\n本席希望工程會能夠來積極協助以上的我們的交通建設招標作業那降低流標的可能性順利的讓我們這些重大的工程可以順利招標那請問主委可以承諾本席嗎\n好 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