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00:01:26,382\n那一個你的方向跟答案請教我這裡跟委員報告一個實際的情況因為我是住台南那台南的民間企業以前在中秋節那一天是沒有放假都是放8月16號隔天因為那一天晚上要賞夜大家不曉得賞到幾點然後隔天給他們放假台南的很多的製造業他們是採休中秋節的隔天事實上這一個\n\n4\n00:01:27,442 --> 00:01:52,376\n調整假日的東西我們現在的政策盡量不去移動它因為去移動的話可能會影響整個金融市場的交易因為我們台灣的金融市場你每天修一個跟國際上不一樣的會影響到整個金融活動影響還蠻大的所以我們自從改了新制的調整放假的這個辦法以後\n\n5\n00:01:53,817 --> 00:01:56,198\n所以你剛剛納入考量的是根本不可行\n\n6\n00:02:11,952 --> 00:02:27,147\n你現在回答這個都錄音錄影大家要知道你納入考量到底是可行或者是不可行你要有一個定內時間點嘛告訴社會大眾你如果現在這樣回答就是說不可能嘛我不會說不可能因為一定要顯出來\n\n7\n00:02:31,431 --> 00:02:42,222\n日曆掀出來,你如果說拜三中秋,你要去釣農曆,那就不可能,那就是叫做不可能,但是...釣農曆不可能,釣一曆有可能嗎?釣一曆是可以考慮,釣一曆可以考慮,釣農曆就不要去想了\n\n8\n00:02:47,668 --> 00:02:47,848\n主席\n\n9\n00:03:17,728 --> 00:03:19,453\n五一勞動節會不會全國統一放假\n\n10\n00:03:23,206 --> 00:03:47,972\n就如同委員這個寫的政府的立場始終一致我們要尊重內政部的意見你剛才一直回答本席就等著你這一句話我們來討論喔也就是上游你認為上游是這個是內政部那你是下游但是我認為這樣的說法我不太認同因為民眾看的是政府那政府呢他的橫向\n\n11\n00:03:48,812 --> 00:04:10,895\n他所有的部會必須要充分去溝通了解如果只有回答人事長如果只有回答說我這個是上游我就等著他我只是執行那這個會讓人民有點失望如果說人民的聲音已經非常的大那你在末端即使你說的下游執行者你也應該提出你的論點\n\n12\n00:04:12,236 --> 00:04:36,553\n政府部門跨部會的去討論就像說的內政部要跨部會討論那到底會不會做等待那麼久不管yes或no你總是告訴民眾會不會做就連跨部會你認為會不會做會不會做因為跨部會你一定是其中的部會之一嘛\n\n13\n00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:53,444\n請做說明我跟委員報告事實上我們一直在跟內政部溝通因為你有溝通?有有一定有溝通的方向是什麼?就是說叫他那間刮刮的看五月齊有賣泡嗎?沒有啊你這樣說我就給你按讚喔你叫他刮刮的什麼快一點刮刮的那有沒有開會啦?他們內部還在討論啦\n\n14\n00:05:02,382 --> 00:05:16,117\n內部有在討論,那你認為呢?內部討論沒有邀請我參加,我不知道他們討論的情況。那你的,如果以你的立場,你認為5月1號勞動節要不要全部統一制?\n\n15\n00:05:17,638 --> 00:05:17,838\n政府委員報告\n\n16\n00:05:37,031 --> 00:06:01,849\n聽說當然啊為什麼要找跨部會就是要聽取大家意見啊這是公然大家知道的訊息啊所以我們有去拜託你也是其中一個好來我們有去拜託賴正波針對不只是勞動啦還有其他的姊可能教師姊啊金人姊三位大家一起去討論看看要怎麼處理嘛你有拜託齁我也期待你的拜託沒關係讓我們一個大案我們才不會亂起嘛\n\n17\n00:06:04,631 --> 00:06:04,832\n主席\n\n18\n00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:28,600\n我要請教我們的公務人員的離職人數不斷的在增加比2021年你是增加了22.82022比2021增加了22.8退休的人數從5746那你增加到7635所以是缺額是不是目前的樣態\n\n19\n00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:50,035\n他跟以往也都差不多因為這裡增加22.8因為是統計數字他標示的因為有些人的離子是因為他普考要考上高考因為時間的關係本席把這個課題給你\n\n20\n00:06:53,980 --> 00:06:54,301\n消防人員\n\n21\n00:07:09,855 --> 00:07:31,073\n我們現在大家都重視我們的小龍林丸消防體系很重要發生了屏東民養的事件發生了今年5月底的新竹的勤工會的事件造成了兩名我們的消防員的殉職讓我們非常的難過所以政府也看到\n\n22\n00:07:31,613 --> 00:07:31,793\n主席\n\n23\n00:07:54,611 --> 00:07:54,831\n職業安全衛生法議題\n\n24\n00:08:17,156 --> 00:08:19,038\n職業安全衛生法的向下也必須要納入進來一併討論\n\n25\n00:08:36,309 --> 00:08:37,110\n謝謝楊委員謝謝人事長接下來有請黃建豪委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6634\t27483\t請人事長有請蘇聯市長委員好你剛回答的就是連續放假的問題那現在也因為這個假期會讓很多人的生活方式會改變譬如說這一次很多中秋節的活動\n28303\t28423\t李慧琼議員\n57725\t86382\t那一個你的方向跟答案請教我這裡跟委員報告一個實際的情況因為我是住台南那台南的民間企業以前在中秋節那一天是沒有放假都是放8月16號隔天因為那一天晚上要賞夜大家不曉得賞到幾點然後隔天給他們放假台南的很多的製造業他們是採休中秋節的隔天事實上這一個\n87442\t112376\t調整假日的東西我們現在的政策盡量不去移動它因為去移動的話可能會影響整個金融市場的交易因為我們台灣的金融市場你每天修一個跟國際上不一樣的會影響到整個金融活動影響還蠻大的所以我們自從改了新制的調整放假的這個辦法以後\n113817\t116198\t所以你剛剛納入考量的是根本不可行\n131952\t147147\t你現在回答這個都錄音錄影大家要知道你納入考量到底是可行或者是不可行你要有一個定內時間點嘛告訴社會大眾你如果現在這樣回答就是說不可能嘛我不會說不可能因為一定要顯出來\n151431\t162222\t日曆掀出來,你如果說拜三中秋,你要去釣農曆,那就不可能,那就是叫做不可能,但是...釣農曆不可能,釣一曆有可能嗎?釣一曆是可以考慮,釣一曆可以考慮,釣農曆就不要去想了\n167668\t167848\t主席\n197728\t199453\t五一勞動節會不會全國統一放假\n203206\t227972\t就如同委員這個寫的政府的立場始終一致我們要尊重內政部的意見你剛才一直回答本席就等著你這一句話我們來討論喔也就是上游你認為上游是這個是內政部那你是下游但是我認為這樣的說法我不太認同因為民眾看的是政府那政府呢他的橫向\n228812\t250895\t他所有的部會必須要充分去溝通了解如果只有回答人事長如果只有回答說我這個是上游我就等著他我只是執行那這個會讓人民有點失望如果說人民的聲音已經非常的大那你在末端即使你說的下游執行者你也應該提出你的論點\n252236\t276553\t政府部門跨部會的去討論就像說的內政部要跨部會討論那到底會不會做等待那麼久不管yes或no你總是告訴民眾會不會做就連跨部會你認為會不會做會不會做因為跨部會你一定是其中的部會之一嘛\n277720\t293444\t請做說明我跟委員報告事實上我們一直在跟內政部溝通因為你有溝通?有有一定有溝通的方向是什麼?就是說叫他那間刮刮的看五月齊有賣泡嗎?沒有啊你這樣說我就給你按讚喔你叫他刮刮的什麼快一點刮刮的那有沒有開會啦?他們內部還在討論啦\n302382\t316117\t內部有在討論,那你認為呢?內部討論沒有邀請我參加,我不知道他們討論的情況。那你的,如果以你的立場,你認為5月1號勞動節要不要全部統一制?\n317638\t317838\t政府委員報告\n337031\t361849\t聽說當然啊為什麼要找跨部會就是要聽取大家意見啊這是公然大家知道的訊息啊所以我們有去拜託你也是其中一個好來我們有去拜託賴正波針對不只是勞動啦還有其他的姊可能教師姊啊金人姊三位大家一起去討論看看要怎麼處理嘛你有拜託齁 我也期待你的拜託沒關係讓我們一個大案我們才不會亂起嘛\n364631\t364832\t主席\n374190\t388600\t我要請教我們的公務人員的離職人數不斷的在增加比2021年你是增加了22.82022比2021增加了22.8退休的人數從5746那你增加到7635所以是缺額是不是目前的樣態\n398100\t410035\t他跟以往也都差不多因為這裡增加22.8因為是統計數字他標示的因為有些人的離子是因為他普考要考上高考因為時間的關係本席把這個課題給你\n413980\t414301\t消防人員\n429855\t451073\t我們現在大家都重視我們的小龍林丸消防體系很重要發生了屏東民養的事件發生了今年5月底的新竹的勤工會的事件造成了兩名我們的消防員的殉職讓我們非常的難過所以政府也看到\n451613\t451793\t主席\n474611\t474831\t職業安全衛生法議題\n497156\t499038\t職業安全衛生法的向下也必須要納入進來一併討論\n516309\t517110\t謝謝楊委員 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我也期待你的拜託沒關係讓我們一個大案我們才不會亂起嘛\n主席\n我要請教我們的公務人員的離職人數不斷的在增加比2021年你是增加了22.82022比2021增加了22.8退休的人數從5746那你增加到7635所以是缺額是不是目前的樣態\n他跟以往也都差不多因為這裡增加22.8因為是統計數字他標示的因為有些人的離子是因為他普考要考上高考因為時間的關係本席把這個課題給你\n消防人員\n我們現在大家都重視我們的小龍林丸消防體系很重要發生了屏東民養的事件發生了今年5月底的新竹的勤工會的事件造成了兩名我們的消防員的殉職讓我們非常的難過所以政府也看到\n主席\n職業安全衛生法議題\n職業安全衛生法的向下也必須要納入進來一併討論\n謝謝楊委員 謝謝人事長接下來有請黃建豪委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.634 --> 00:27.483\n請人事長有請蘇聯市長委員好你剛回答的就是連續放假的問題那現在也因為這個假期會讓很多人的生活方式會改變譬如說這一次很多中秋節的活動\n\n00:28.303 --> 00:28.423\n李慧琼議員\n\n00:57.725 --> 01:26.382\n那一個你的方向跟答案請教我這裡跟委員報告一個實際的情況因為我是住台南那台南的民間企業以前在中秋節那一天是沒有放假都是放8月16號隔天因為那一天晚上要賞夜大家不曉得賞到幾點然後隔天給他們放假台南的很多的製造業他們是採休中秋節的隔天事實上這一個\n\n01:27.442 --> 01:52.376\n調整假日的東西我們現在的政策盡量不去移動它因為去移動的話可能會影響整個金融市場的交易因為我們台灣的金融市場你每天修一個跟國際上不一樣的會影響到整個金融活動影響還蠻大的所以我們自從改了新制的調整放假的這個辦法以後\n\n01:53.817 --> 01:56.198\n所以你剛剛納入考量的是根本不可行\n\n02:11.952 --> 02:27.147\n你現在回答這個都錄音錄影大家要知道你納入考量到底是可行或者是不可行你要有一個定內時間點嘛告訴社會大眾你如果現在這樣回答就是說不可能嘛我不會說不可能因為一定要顯出來\n\n02:31.431 --> 02:42.222\n日曆掀出來,你如果說拜三中秋,你要去釣農曆,那就不可能,那就是叫做不可能,但是...釣農曆不可能,釣一曆有可能嗎?釣一曆是可以考慮,釣一曆可以考慮,釣農曆就不要去想了\n\n02:47.668 --> 02:47.848\n主席\n\n03:17.728 --> 03:19.453\n五一勞動節會不會全國統一放假\n\n03:23.206 --> 03:47.972\n就如同委員這個寫的政府的立場始終一致我們要尊重內政部的意見你剛才一直回答本席就等著你這一句話我們來討論喔也就是上游你認為上游是這個是內政部那你是下游但是我認為這樣的說法我不太認同因為民眾看的是政府那政府呢他的橫向\n\n03:48.812 --> 04:10.895\n他所有的部會必須要充分去溝通了解如果只有回答人事長如果只有回答說我這個是上游我就等著他我只是執行那這個會讓人民有點失望如果說人民的聲音已經非常的大那你在末端即使你說的下游執行者你也應該提出你的論點\n\n04:12.236 --> 04:36.553\n政府部門跨部會的去討論就像說的內政部要跨部會討論那到底會不會做等待那麼久不管yes或no你總是告訴民眾會不會做就連跨部會你認為會不會做會不會做因為跨部會你一定是其中的部會之一嘛\n\n04:37.720 --> 04:53.444\n請做說明我跟委員報告事實上我們一直在跟內政部溝通因為你有溝通?有有一定有溝通的方向是什麼?就是說叫他那間刮刮的看五月齊有賣泡嗎?沒有啊你這樣說我就給你按讚喔你叫他刮刮的什麼快一點刮刮的那有沒有開會啦?他們內部還在討論啦\n\n05:02.382 --> 05:16.117\n內部有在討論,那你認為呢?內部討論沒有邀請我參加,我不知道他們討論的情況。那你的,如果以你的立場,你認為5月1號勞動節要不要全部統一制?\n\n05:17.638 --> 05:17.838\n政府委員報告\n\n05:37.031 --> 06:01.849\n聽說當然啊為什麼要找跨部會就是要聽取大家意見啊這是公然大家知道的訊息啊所以我們有去拜託你也是其中一個好來我們有去拜託賴正波針對不只是勞動啦還有其他的姊可能教師姊啊金人姊三位大家一起去討論看看要怎麼處理嘛你有拜託齁我也期待你的拜託沒關係讓我們一個大案我們才不會亂起嘛\n\n06:04.631 --> 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