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00:02:32,418\n國會委員會長\n\n10\n00:02:56,817 --> 00:02:56,937\n第二﹗\n\n11\n00:03:22,239 --> 00:03:48,029\n其實真的就是他們也希望就是反對上對下就像我們委員在質詢部會首長我們也絕對不會上對下我們是平等的吼那這個部分他們這也是他們希望的那再來其實就是他們希望在這個國科會在正式新政府新政策尤其是永續發展跟淨零挑戰的這個政策相關的部分呢能夠\n\n12\n00:03:50,591 --> 00:04:07,086\n來聽聽更多其他跨領域專業學者的一個聲音來尋求一個共識而不是說我決定了什麼我就要來做什麼這個部分目前你們的回應有讓這些學者得到滿意的答案嗎或者是你們有取得他們一些共識嗎\n\n13\n00:04:08,291 --> 00:04:23,831\n我們已經排定了要去請教這些學者那委員提醒了這幾項我完全都同意我們會按照這個方向來進行目前排定什麼時候會跟他們再坐下來好好的來做溝通處長可以\n\n14\n00:04:25,188 --> 00:04:25,208\n請教\n\n15\n00:04:42,934 --> 00:04:44,596\n接下來其實剛剛也有一些委員有特別提到\n\n16\n00:05:07,894 --> 00:05:08,134\n同意吧?\n\n17\n00:05:34,881 --> 00:05:56,152\n我同意當各國其實都在積極地爭取主權AI的時候其實這個部分我們也要非常的這個算是我要給這個正面的肯定就是我們有這個台灣三的一個系列這是台灣獨立自製的一個超級電腦之一但是目前為止這個算力的部分或者是在我們的這個創新一號的這個超級電腦\n\n18\n00:05:58,933 --> 00:06:24,202\n我們當然要不斷地去栽培一些人才才能夠讓台灣成為智慧國家的一個目標但是根據英國OxfordInsight每年對於所謂的各國AI準備程度來進行一個評比台灣其實目前是落後到第19名這個部分諸位怎麼看?\n\n19\n00:06:25,168 --> 00:06:41,143\n我們現在正在努力,剛剛委員也提到說我們已經編列預算了,這個預算我希望能夠順利獲得立法院的支持,讓我們明年資料中心的設備,就是超級電腦的建置可以順利的完成。\n\n20\n00:06:41,844 --> 00:07:03,363\n我希望如果我們能夠按照計畫執行的話我們將來的這個準備度一定會大幅提升那我們同步也會發展剛剛有提到這個AI應用的新的主權AI系統的這個開發也結合我們的產業界的投資希望能夠讓我們的AI的這個準備度的排名能夠逐年的\n\n21\n00:07:30,749 --> 00:07:47,237\n總算力的排名前三國以全球來講是美國、日本跟芬蘭台灣是第17目前我們國科會所建置的剛剛我提到的台灣山2號的排名已經從2018年的第20名滑落到今年變成是106名\n\n22\n00:07:49,798 --> 00:07:49,838\n拜訪委員\n\n23\n00:08:19,918 --> 00:08:42,560\n因為我們知道這個距離我們的目標啦我們的目標其實還有五年的時間那當然這個算力其實也會影響到比方說我們講的地震的一個預測或者是氣候或者是一個災害的應變等等所以這五年當中如果沒有其他的一些事件的一些干擾啦那我說這個五年有可能達標嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:44,457 --> 00:09:02,738\n五年內如果我們按照我們計畫執行我覺得一定可以達標因為政府的這個投入會引起會帶動產業的投入特別我們在發展應用的部分加緊腳步的話產業投入一定會遠高於這個政府的投入所以我們算力的提升會大幅增加的\n\n25\n00:09:03,538 --> 00:09:24,407\n好那剛剛有特別提到一個產業的部分那其實我們台灣企業整體的AI的準備度其實目前還是偏低啦因為台灣大概其實有98%以上其實都是所謂的中小的企業那這個部分其實我們可能還是期待這個國科會這個地方可能也要去慢慢的去輔導這些\n\n26\n00:09:25,407 --> 00:09:25,747\n國會會議的回應是2026年\n\n27\n00:09:45,094 --> 00:09:46,855\n我們希望能夠是在2026但目前為止這個計畫好像還是遠遠的落後2026有可能我們可以看到我們台灣第一顆的低軌衛星發射嗎\n\n28\n00:10:05,490 --> 00:10:25,362\n我們太空通信原來在規劃太空三期的時候那時候並沒有涵蓋通信衛星因為那時候低軌衛星的產業還不是那麼明朗那後來決定要發展低軌衛星的時候其實主要是通信低軌衛星是做通信使用那是重點\n\n29\n00:10:25,962 --> 00:10:32,523\n因為那個是在比方說像第一尾衛星我們知道在這個惡霧戰爭當中其實它扮演了非常重要的一個角色所以它牽涉到台灣的這個韌性我們通訊的韌性也牽涉到國安還有國土安全我們的監測等等將來在海面上在這個偏遠地區我們都有辦法能夠維持我們的通訊這是非常重要但是因為台灣過去並沒有這個經驗做這個衛星通訊的系統\n\n30\n00:10:53,127 --> 00:11:19,984\n我接任以後特別安排了一個全國的我們叫SRV的這個會議在10月就要舉行會把我們整個臺灣的在今年10月嗎今年對下個月就要舉行了很快那就是要希望能夠得到一個我們的政府學界還有產業界的共識將來讓大家知道說我們在太空科技裡面進到低軌衛星通信的籌載的發展晶片非常重要\n\n31\n00:11:20,464 --> 00:11:35,412\n目前我們沒有這個晶片的能力我們要透過跟美國跟日本的合作引進相關的這個規格技術發展台灣的這種產業我們會有一個完整的策略在我們SRV會議開完以後就會公告了\n\n32\n00:11:35,752 --> 00:11:55,186\n我想這個完整的策略當然其實我們以完美的這個去想像這個時間點其實我們自己內部來做是絕對OK嘛但是問題是在選址我們要舉辦公聽會因為還有環評還有當地居民這部分光是公聽會的部分要取得共識可能不是只有短短一兩年所以2026肯定延後\n\n33\n00:11:56,807 --> 00:12:17,301\n謝謝委員提醒我們衛星發射如果要自己在我們自己本土做的話這個時間會比較長但是我們發射衛星目前都是美國協助我們發射但是衛星我們自己設計特別是通訊的那個籌載也是自己設計至於選址的部分謝謝委員提醒我們已經初步選定了選定了可能的這個場址\n\n34\n00:12:19,382 --> 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造福全民\n110140\t136635\t所以剛剛其實我這個一路從早上然後剛剛我有特別換了一下順序我這麼一路聽過來我聽到許多的這個在野黨的立委們就說你們要爭取預算啊你們要怎麼樣啊我自己聽起來是覺得還蠻諷刺的就是要馬兒好馬兒能夠跑但是我們不給預算喔這個部分其實我們也希望能夠再跟在野黨好好的溝通一下\n137515\t152238\t好,那今天第一件事情其實是跟時事有關啦其實剛剛很多的委員們也特別有特別提到就是跟學界這邊的一個溝通啦那就是有600位的這個學者這個跨領域的一個學者\n152398\t152418\t國會委員會長\n176817\t176937\t第二﹗\n202239\t228029\t其實真的就是他們也希望就是反對上對下就像我們委員在質詢部會首長我們也絕對不會上對下我們是平等的吼那這個部分他們這也是他們希望的那再來其實就是他們希望在這個國科會在正式新政府新政策尤其是永續發展跟淨零挑戰的這個政策相關的部分呢能夠\n230591\t247086\t來聽聽更多其他跨領域專業學者的一個聲音來尋求一個共識而不是說我決定了什麼我就要來做什麼這個部分目前你們的回應有讓這些學者得到滿意的答案嗎或者是你們有取得他們一些共識嗎\n248291\t263831\t我們已經排定了要去請教這些學者那委員提醒了這幾項我完全都同意我們會按照這個方向來進行目前排定什麼時候會跟他們再坐下來好好的來做溝通處長可以\n265188\t265208\t請教\n282934\t284596\t接下來其實剛剛也有一些委員有特別提到\n307894\t308134\t同意吧?\n334881\t356152\t我同意當各國其實都在積極地爭取主權AI的時候其實這個部分我們也要非常的這個算是我要給這個正面的肯定就是我們有這個台灣三的一個系列這是台灣獨立自製的一個超級電腦之一但是目前為止這個算力的部分或者是在我們的這個創新一號的這個超級電腦\n358933\t384202\t我們當然要不斷地去栽培一些人才才能夠讓台灣成為智慧國家的一個目標但是根據英國Oxford Insight每年對於所謂的各國AI準備程度來進行一個評比台灣其實目前是落後到第19名 這個部分 諸位怎麼看?\n385168\t401143\t我們現在正在努力,剛剛委員也提到說我們已經編列預算了,這個預算我希望能夠順利獲得立法院的支持,讓我們明年資料中心的設備,就是超級電腦的建置可以順利的完成。\n401844\t423363\t我希望如果我們能夠按照計畫執行的話我們將來的這個準備度一定會大幅提升那我們同步也會發展剛剛有提到這個AI應用的新的主權AI系統的這個開發也結合我們的產業界的投資希望能夠讓我們的AI的這個準備度的排名能夠逐年的\n423763\t449889\t﹏﹏﹏\n450749\t467237\t總算力的排名前三國以全球來講是美國、日本跟芬蘭台灣是第17目前我們國科會所建置的剛剛我提到的台灣山2號的排名已經從2018年的第20名滑落到今年變成是106名\n469798\t469838\t拜訪委員\n499918\t522560\t因為我們知道這個距離我們的目標啦我們的目標其實還有五年的時間那當然這個算力其實也會影響到比方說我們講的地震的一個預測或者是氣候或者是一個災害的應變等等所以這五年當中如果沒有其他的一些事件的一些干擾啦那我說這個五年有可能達標嗎?\n524457\t542738\t五年內如果我們按照我們計畫執行我覺得一定可以達標因為政府的這個投入會引起會帶動產業的投入特別我們在發展應用的部分加緊腳步的話產業投入一定會遠高於這個政府的投入所以我們算力的提升會大幅增加的\n543538\t564407\t好 那剛剛有特別提到一個產業的部分那其實我們台灣企業整體的AI的準備度其實目前還是偏低啦因為台灣大概其實有98%以上其實都是所謂的中小的企業那這個部分其實我們可能還是期待這個國科會這個地方可能也要去慢慢的去輔導這些\n565407\t565747\t國會會議的回應是2026年\n585094\t586855\t我們希望能夠是在2026但目前為止這個計畫好像還是遠遠的落後2026有可能我們可以看到我們台灣第一顆的低軌衛星發射嗎\n605490\t625362\t我們太空通信原來在規劃太空三期的時候那時候並沒有涵蓋通信衛星因為那時候低軌衛星的產業還不是那麼明朗那後來決定要發展低軌衛星的時候其實主要是通信低軌衛星是做通信使用那是重點\n625962\t632523\t因為那個是在比方說像第一尾衛星我們知道在這個惡霧戰爭當中其實它扮演了非常重要的一個角色所以它牽涉到台灣的這個韌性我們通訊的韌性也牽涉到國安還有國土安全我們的監測等等將來在海面上在這個偏遠地區我們都有辦法能夠維持我們的通訊這是非常重要但是因為台灣過去並沒有這個經驗做這個衛星通訊的系統\n653127\t679984\t我接任以後特別安排了一個全國的我們叫SRV的這個會議在10月就要舉行會把我們整個臺灣的在今年10月嗎今年對 下個月就要舉行了很快那就是要希望能夠得到一個我們的政府學界還有產業界的共識將來讓大家知道說我們在太空科技裡面進到低軌衛星通信的籌載的發展晶片非常重要\n680464\t695412\t目前我們沒有這個晶片的能力我們要透過跟美國跟日本的合作引進相關的這個規格技術發展台灣的這種產業我們會有一個完整的策略在我們SRV會議開完以後就會公告了\n695752\t715186\t我想這個完整的策略當然其實我們以完美的這個去想像這個時間點其實我們自己內部來做是絕對OK嘛但是問題是在選址我們要舉辦公聽會因為還有環評還有當地居民這部分光是公聽會的部分要取得共識可能不是只有短短一兩年所以2026肯定延後\n716807\t737301\t謝謝委員提醒我們衛星發射如果要自己在我們自己本土做的話這個時間會比較長但是我們發射衛星目前都是美國協助我們發射但是衛星我們自己設計特別是通訊的那個籌載也是自己設計至於選址的部分謝謝委員提醒我們已經初步選定了選定了可能的這個場址\n739382\t758056\t在台東縣在這個屏東縣我們現在正在規劃要進行這個溝通先跟我們部落原住民的部落溝通再來就是就是這個地方政府也進來協調因為還有這個用地的取得等等或許這些我們會按照法規按照程序來進行\n759037\t759158\t謝謝主席\n","txt":"有請主委\n主席早安剛剛其實在前面我們幾位立委的同事們在跟您在座詢答的時候其實我們不斷的聽到您有特別提到明年度我們會有新的計劃明年度我們有新編列的預算明年度我們要跟國際更緊密的接軌等等等等但是我們應該都知道在9月24日的禮拜二\n委員會上我也在場我們的所有的年度也就是114年的年度新增的預算那目前在國科會這個部分其實有700多億是全數打包退回是連重審討論\n的基本的這個事件其實是完全就已經是打回原樣了就是是零就這個部分您怎麼看心裡做何感受\n我想不管是我們執政黨的委員還是在野黨委員大概都知道國會編列這些科研的預算其實攸關我們國力的發展攸關我們產業的發展攸關我們社會福祉的增進所以我是很誠心的希望我們在野黨可以支持跟我們執政黨\n這邊可以來溝通讓我們的預算可以通過 造福全民\n所以剛剛其實我這個一路從早上然後剛剛我有特別換了一下順序我這麼一路聽過來我聽到許多的這個在野黨的立委們就說你們要爭取預算啊你們要怎麼樣啊我自己聽起來是覺得還蠻諷刺的就是要馬兒好馬兒能夠跑但是我們不給預算喔這個部分其實我們也希望能夠再跟在野黨好好的溝通一下\n好,那今天第一件事情其實是跟時事有關啦其實剛剛很多的委員們也特別有特別提到就是跟學界這邊的一個溝通啦那就是有600位的這個學者這個跨領域的一個學者\n國會委員會長\n第二﹗\n其實真的就是他們也希望就是反對上對下就像我們委員在質詢部會首長我們也絕對不會上對下我們是平等的吼那這個部分他們這也是他們希望的那再來其實就是他們希望在這個國科會在正式新政府新政策尤其是永續發展跟淨零挑戰的這個政策相關的部分呢能夠\n來聽聽更多其他跨領域專業學者的一個聲音來尋求一個共識而不是說我決定了什麼我就要來做什麼這個部分目前你們的回應有讓這些學者得到滿意的答案嗎或者是你們有取得他們一些共識嗎\n我們已經排定了要去請教這些學者那委員提醒了這幾項我完全都同意我們會按照這個方向來進行目前排定什麼時候會跟他們再坐下來好好的來做溝通處長可以\n請教\n接下來其實剛剛也有一些委員有特別提到\n同意吧?\n我同意當各國其實都在積極地爭取主權AI的時候其實這個部分我們也要非常的這個算是我要給這個正面的肯定就是我們有這個台灣三的一個系列這是台灣獨立自製的一個超級電腦之一但是目前為止這個算力的部分或者是在我們的這個創新一號的這個超級電腦\n我們當然要不斷地去栽培一些人才才能夠讓台灣成為智慧國家的一個目標但是根據英國Oxford Insight每年對於所謂的各國AI準備程度來進行一個評比台灣其實目前是落後到第19名 這個部分 諸位怎麼看?\n我們現在正在努力,剛剛委員也提到說我們已經編列預算了,這個預算我希望能夠順利獲得立法院的支持,讓我們明年資料中心的設備,就是超級電腦的建置可以順利的完成。\n我希望如果我們能夠按照計畫執行的話我們將來的這個準備度一定會大幅提升那我們同步也會發展剛剛有提到這個AI應用的新的主權AI系統的這個開發也結合我們的產業界的投資希望能夠讓我們的AI的這個準備度的排名能夠逐年的\n﹏﹏﹏\n總算力的排名前三國以全球來講是美國、日本跟芬蘭台灣是第17目前我們國科會所建置的剛剛我提到的台灣山2號的排名已經從2018年的第20名滑落到今年變成是106名\n拜訪委員\n因為我們知道這個距離我們的目標啦我們的目標其實還有五年的時間那當然這個算力其實也會影響到比方說我們講的地震的一個預測或者是氣候或者是一個災害的應變等等所以這五年當中如果沒有其他的一些事件的一些干擾啦那我說這個五年有可能達標嗎?\n五年內如果我們按照我們計畫執行我覺得一定可以達標因為政府的這個投入會引起會帶動產業的投入特別我們在發展應用的部分加緊腳步的話產業投入一定會遠高於這個政府的投入所以我們算力的提升會大幅增加的\n好 那剛剛有特別提到一個產業的部分那其實我們台灣企業整體的AI的準備度其實目前還是偏低啦因為台灣大概其實有98%以上其實都是所謂的中小的企業那這個部分其實我們可能還是期待這個國科會這個地方可能也要去慢慢的去輔導這些\n國會會議的回應是2026年\n我們希望能夠是在2026但目前為止這個計畫好像還是遠遠的落後2026有可能我們可以看到我們台灣第一顆的低軌衛星發射嗎\n我們太空通信原來在規劃太空三期的時候那時候並沒有涵蓋通信衛星因為那時候低軌衛星的產業還不是那麼明朗那後來決定要發展低軌衛星的時候其實主要是通信低軌衛星是做通信使用那是重點\n因為那個是在比方說像第一尾衛星我們知道在這個惡霧戰爭當中其實它扮演了非常重要的一個角色所以它牽涉到台灣的這個韌性我們通訊的韌性也牽涉到國安還有國土安全我們的監測等等將來在海面上在這個偏遠地區我們都有辦法能夠維持我們的通訊這是非常重要但是因為台灣過去並沒有這個經驗做這個衛星通訊的系統\n我接任以後特別安排了一個全國的我們叫SRV的這個會議在10月就要舉行會把我們整個臺灣的在今年10月嗎今年對 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01:49.579\n這邊可以來溝通讓我們的預算可以通過造福全民\n\n01:50.140 --> 02:16.635\n所以剛剛其實我這個一路從早上然後剛剛我有特別換了一下順序我這麼一路聽過來我聽到許多的這個在野黨的立委們就說你們要爭取預算啊你們要怎麼樣啊我自己聽起來是覺得還蠻諷刺的就是要馬兒好馬兒能夠跑但是我們不給預算喔這個部分其實我們也希望能夠再跟在野黨好好的溝通一下\n\n02:17.515 --> 02:32.238\n好,那今天第一件事情其實是跟時事有關啦其實剛剛很多的委員們也特別有特別提到就是跟學界這邊的一個溝通啦那就是有600位的這個學者這個跨領域的一個學者\n\n02:32.398 --> 02:32.418\n國會委員會長\n\n02:56.817 --> 02:56.937\n第二﹗\n\n03:22.239 --> 03:48.029\n其實真的就是他們也希望就是反對上對下就像我們委員在質詢部會首長我們也絕對不會上對下我們是平等的吼那這個部分他們這也是他們希望的那再來其實就是他們希望在這個國科會在正式新政府新政策尤其是永續發展跟淨零挑戰的這個政策相關的部分呢能夠\n\n03:50.591 --> 04:07.086\n來聽聽更多其他跨領域專業學者的一個聲音來尋求一個共識而不是說我決定了什麼我就要來做什麼這個部分目前你們的回應有讓這些學者得到滿意的答案嗎或者是你們有取得他們一些共識嗎\n\n04:08.291 --> 04:23.831\n我們已經排定了要去請教這些學者那委員提醒了這幾項我完全都同意我們會按照這個方向來進行目前排定什麼時候會跟他們再坐下來好好的來做溝通處長可以\n\n04:25.188 --> 04:25.208\n請教\n\n04:42.934 --> 04:44.596\n接下來其實剛剛也有一些委員有特別提到\n\n05:07.894 --> 05:08.134\n同意吧?\n\n05:34.881 --> 05:56.152\n我同意當各國其實都在積極地爭取主權AI的時候其實這個部分我們也要非常的這個算是我要給這個正面的肯定就是我們有這個台灣三的一個系列這是台灣獨立自製的一個超級電腦之一但是目前為止這個算力的部分或者是在我們的這個創新一號的這個超級電腦\n\n05:58.933 --> 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