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00:01:13,197\n韓國瑜\n\n5\n00:01:43,277 --> 00:01:43,777\n藍投縣政府\n\n6\n00:01:58,945 --> 00:01:59,405\n委員會主任\n\n7\n00:02:16,890 --> 00:02:29,816\n整個災損我們核定了33.8億跟原來藍投縣政府所提的請求39億那也差不多就是說不會差很大所以希望這33.8億能夠協助藍投縣政府不管是\n\n8\n00:02:34,411 --> 00:02:36,874\n好,謝謝主委那所以剛才有特別提到在這個比例上確實比以前工程會協助到南投來講\n\n9\n00:02:51,693 --> 00:03:11,919\n是蠻有感的那所以謝謝那同樣的地方上面有在提出一些建議就在現在9月27號召開審查會議之後那在第5批已經提報完那急報急審那像現在預計在這一個禮拜的話相關的經費會整個都已經審任通過完畢嗎\n\n10\n00:03:15,477 --> 00:03:39,810\n如果有些個案要補件或要再次現刊的那我們會盡速來整理再開這個審議那所以說後面還會再有一次機會像這些崩塌點再崩落那有需要再現刊再加強還會再解釋就是這個要補件或要完成再次去現刊的這個會有補救的機會OK好那也謝謝那\n\n11\n00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:57,349\n在藍投線還是再次表達這個171.5億的整體來講藍投線就佔了33億那再次表達感謝也持續的要拜託公共工程委員會主委跟同仁這邊那藍投線其實像現在\n\n12\n00:03:57,970 --> 00:04:10,885\n山頭的颱風又要來了所以在很多的一些災後的復健跟相關的這個大家其實還是非常的擔心那相信主委這邊其實已經計劃的做一個審查那未來也拜託持續的幫忙\n\n13\n00:04:13,267 --> 00:04:35,319\n接著要延續今天大家所要探討的重點包括公共工程的一個節能減碳的一個部分那在目前來講COP他整個變遷大會之後那其實在2022年3月公布以及到2025這個淨零談判的這個目標那想要接著就教一下主委\n\n14\n00:04:35,979 --> 00:04:58,934\n在目前來講我們發現其實許多的機關尤其是中央部會的機關他們在這個碳排系數的這個相關的數據他們相關的準則其實是非常不一致的那如何能夠在什麼時間點能夠有公共工程委員會對於國家的重大工程能夠有一個統一的指引預計什麼時候會有一個這樣的指引\n\n15\n00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:27,879\n有關碳排的指引大概明年114年能夠來完成那碳排係數的收集是持續性的那我們會收集各式各樣的這個建築或營建的的這個原料或相關的一些產品那麼來做平均值來定出碳排係數這個我們也希望能夠持續收集更廣泛的這樣的這個排放係數\n\n16\n00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:30,703\n大約是在上半年還是下半年都會完成?\n\n17\n00:05:43,174 --> 00:06:05,366\n我們大概都回答是下半年下半年大概幾月的時候之前我想明年底好不好明年底能夠來完成這七頁的質疑好那接著的話上次其實本席曾經提過跟公共工程委員會建議那目前的話重大的公共工程並沒有這個探權管理師的一個規劃那目前的話公共工程委員會對於這個議題它的規劃是如何\n\n18\n00:06:08,919 --> 00:06:37,184\n整個公共工程裡面工程預算裡面都會有碳盤查的相關的編列那麼也會做生態查核生態查核不管是在設計端還是在執行端或者是各自各樣的評審委員裡面都有生態查核的機制進去我想這個生態查核一部分事實上已經涵蓋了管理碳排這樣的一個\n\n19\n00:06:38,725 --> 00:06:42,832\n這是探權管理師的這個角色探權管理探權管理師這部分我們目前還沒有這樣的規劃\n\n20\n00:06:51,072 --> 00:07:17,112\n那還是會建議公共工程委員會因為這個2025年的這個目標這是為了下一代那所以說如果相關各種可以在我們的淨零的部分能夠來去加強補充甚至於導入各種專業的力量那本期還是會建議公共工程委員會能夠慎重思考這個有關於探險管理師是會能夠在重大工程中能夠納入我相信這個對於整體來講還是會有加分的\n\n21\n00:07:17,649 --> 00:07:31,420\n這個我們來研議因為這個牽涉到這個技師他有一些是要透過國家考試取得技師資格技師資格才有簽證他的這個效力所以這個我們通盤來研議\n\n22\n00:07:34,773 --> 00:08:00,702\n指引之後就是現在目前縣市政府的碳排放指引的相關宣導跟準則來講那公共工程委員會要如何與縣市政府來做搭配或要求這部分我們有跟各機關包括中央的部會或地方政府針對整個公共工程減少排碳的部分那麼會有相關的會議或者是整個指引都會\n\n23\n00:08:02,623 --> 00:08:19,465\n本市還是跟主委建議一下因為目前的話相關的會議都主要還是在於宣導跟建議那事實上的一個國家的中大公共工程包括縣市政府也佔了中央預算有相關許多的工程其實都需要做一邊的指引甚至能夠做配合\n\n24\n00:08:20,046 --> 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