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00:00:45,845\n委員長主委你好首先要感謝你上星期為了我們臺中的捷運南線的基本設計問題親自到現場會堪那我想捷運南線是我們臺中的重大建設不僅我們的經費龐大那工期也很長那而且這也是市府跟地方鄉親對於我們重大的交通建設希望期盼可以儘速的動工儘速的完工那我想要請教主委這個最快何時可以再開審查會議\n\n3\n00:00:49,067 --> 00:01:02,441\n這個分成兩部分一部分是修正計畫就等行政院核定另外就是那天基本設計的會刊那麼有一些需要補正的那我想補正之後\n\n4\n00:01:03,863 --> 00:01:18,642\n這個基本設計的核定應該是一個月以內可以完成的一個月以內可以完成喔所以也可以就是說在一個月內完成這個基本設計的審查OKOK那依照目前的審查時程我們可以確保年底前完成基本設計嗎\n\n5\n00:01:21,294 --> 00:01:41,261\n他可以因為他基本設計已經有了是工程會是審查所以和整個核定之後基本設計就可以了嘛哈對那就進行細部設計然後相關工程採購發包等等就是功能所以之所以要懇請我們工程會加速完成審查就是希望我們要配合預算的編列的程序啊\n\n6\n00:01:41,821 --> 00:02:04,486\n我們希望說雖然目前前瞻四五期已經有了部分的經費但是我們的這個總工程經費糟糕大1600多億那工期長達10年那2034年我們希望2034年可以完工嘛對不對所以我們都知道越早動工可以越能節省我們的經費那越完動工我們經費的變動性就越高那目前預計在115年可以確定可以動工嗎\n\n7\n00:02:09,608 --> 00:02:33,784\n要看主辦單位他的細部設計的時間那我們會向交通部或者是鐵道局來了解他的細設需要多少時間好那但是如果說我們希望在115年可以動工的話那是不是意味著明年的交通部這邊也要開始這個編列預算預算可能要請教交通部\n\n8\n00:02:35,427 --> 00:02:40,189\n對沒錯對台中市來講比較重要的捷運計畫沒錯因為還要配合很多都市計畫變更阿等等的那也都是相當長的程序喔\n\n9\n00:02:55,290 --> 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