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00:02:32,353\n其實我們提出一個非常重要的觀點就是不管是科學教育科學轉譯科學傳播其實應該都是重要的科普工具跟工作對不對這邊可不可以請處長回應一下之前您在這個公聽會上也有發言這樣\n\n8\n00:02:34,395 --> 00:02:51,930\n謝謝委員我們希望說好的科學研究可以透過多層次的科學轉譯讓一般的民眾可以更清楚的理解那這個轉譯跟傳播其實也非常符合昭偉今天所定的主題他其實一個非常重要的政策溝通工具我們來看一下\n\n9\n00:02:52,310 --> 00:03:18,191\n大家想到科普的時候真的就會想到我剛剛說包含我去參加那個活動叫科學教育活動但明明科學傳播跟知識轉譯其實也非常非常的重要但是在處長您新上任我想要跟您討論的我們如何去增加所謂科學傳播跟知識轉譯在國科會您的這個新上任之後你如何把這個視為是重要的政策方向我來分享一個網頁來我們往下看\n\n10\n00:03:20,464 --> 00:03:38,732\n這個FB有一個專頁叫怪奇事務所他會用非常有趣的動畫或是圖卡來跟很多小孩分享關於科學知識還有大家都非常熟悉的搞笑諾貝爾獎可能在很多非常嚴肅的科學家眼中看起來這不是一個好的科學研究但是他確實可能是一個很重要的入門專再來或是樹幹實驗室他們會把很多\n\n11\n00:03:58,117 --> 00:04:20,363\n對科學傳播就是除了科學教育之外呢其實還要有很多樂趣可以吸引一般民眾的眼光所以像比如說委員這個戴雄的便便為什麼是方的其實這一位搞笑肉非常得主現在是在清華大學動力機械系那他也在國科會的計畫邀請之下呢也到高雄的科工館\n\n12\n00:04:21,563 --> 00:04:46,156\n做了一場科普講座是死尿物理學這個是一個非常吸引的我相信所有的小孩聽到死尿這兩個字就會非常的開心也就是說我們大人可能覺得怎麼不要一天到晚講這個又是死又是尿但是如果這個興趣可以作為孩子們進入或是一般成人進入科學領域我相信非常重要的一件事情所以我們來看下一頁其實國科會都支持了非常多好的研究可是\n\n13\n00:04:46,736 --> 00:04:46,776\n陳培瑜\n\n14\n00:05:01,940 --> 00:05:16,281\n更不要講公共電視它的收看率跟一般其他商業電視台的比較可能又更低所以我這邊是不是可以積極的提出回到今天的專案報告主題所謂的永續科研跟政策溝通到底我們要怎麼樣把我們的科研成果讓社會知道\n\n15\n00:05:17,262 --> 00:05:32,795\n我發現在國科會今年的永續科學學門專題研究我整理了這些我們來看一下它有台灣的廢水的問題地下水還有黑潮入侵還有新型態的海水與藻共生這麼多這麼多題目我們如何讓更多的公民知道\n\n16\n00:05:33,215 --> 00:05:59,514\n台灣的科學家台灣的政府台灣的學者其實在非常多層面都非常努力回應到我剛說的科學轉譯跟科學傳播科學教育我覺得應該都會是非常重要的一部分好下一頁所以這邊也要拜託國科會提醒國科會一樣是科學轉譯的研究其實這幾年台灣有中研院的顏值有物或者是民間有非常多出版社也會跟很多專家學者合作\n\n17\n00:06:00,194 --> 00:06:28,723\n出版相關的書籍不管是師大或是台大或是中研院都有很多跟民間合作的案例或者是他們自己也做有趣的網站我想要說相關的傳播知識如果沒有有趣作為一個很重要的入門專這對很多人來說就是一個門檻那我自己的專業我回來看其實是整體對於知識編輯的這個角度來看這個事情所以這邊是不是有一個建議想要提出來給國科會主委跟新上任的處長作為參考我們來看一下\n\n18\n00:06:29,483 --> 00:06:54,019\n目前以科普為主出版為主的有所謂吳大游科普獎我相信兩位都知道還有國科會對於學校教授有相關的教案補助可是事實上我認為一個好的科普文或者是一個好的科普影片或是一個好用的科普網站如果沒有相對應的肯定方法給予他們相關的獎項相關的肯定對於這些在第一線做這些科普推廣\n\n19\n00:06:54,599 --> 00:06:54,899\n這個要求很具體對不對?\n\n20\n00:07:22,312 --> 00:07:25,135\n陳委員這個建議我們會納入考量因為按照剛剛的講法任何的改變需要請教我們這個專家我們請教過以後我們再研議一下看看\n\n21\n00:07:40,711 --> 00:08:08,462\n我覺得成立獎項的困難大概有幾個啦一就是誰可以當這個獎項的評審或者是什麼樣的轉譯方法或是創作方法值得被肯定他是來自於受眾的肯定還是來自專家學者圈的肯定我覺得這是兩個不同的意見的交集但是國科會如果可以擔任這個籌備的平台把大家的意見做成一個溝通然後有一個起點我相信會有更多人願意投入所謂科學教育轉譯跟創作的這個\n\n22\n00:08:11,304 --> 00:08:39,884\n他也可以成為國科會非常重要的幫手對不對是好謝謝委員的建議我們會仔細考慮那你不要只有持續考慮啦因為我還有一些時間所以我可以再多拜託一下如果不要持續考慮更積極我們可不可以先開相關會議來討論可能會遇到的困難可以可以我們會邀請這個領域的專家學者我們來請教看看是不是好好的設計這樣的這個誘因這個誘因就是要鼓勵大家能夠投入這是很正面的\n\n23\n00:08:40,644 --> 00:09:09,543\n這是獎項的部分,那我們辦公室也會繼續再跟國科會來開會討論好不好?好,謝謝陳委員那有了獎項之後我們再多要求一個啦就是產業交流平台喔事實上很多的產官學交流其實對於很多議題的推進是非常重要我相信主委跟新的處長應該都很有感覺那目前呢在教育部有一個關於科學教育跟博物館的科普論壇但是我們有沒有辦法在國科會的支持底下辦一個關於科普內容創作者的交流論壇\n\n24\n00:09:10,844 --> 00:09:28,833\n作為回應這個時代有更多年輕人或是更多的創業家更多的知識工作者科學教育知識工作者他們願意用不同的方法投入所謂科學教育他不會只局限於到大學去教書他也不會只局限於進中小學教科學他其實在各行各業都有這個機會\n\n25\n00:10:00,261 --> 00:10:13,776\n我們應該會找一些科普比較有經驗的前輩老師們大家一起來開會討論那甚至剛剛這張投影片裡面就是跟教育部的這個科普論壇其實也是有合作的機會謝謝\n\n26\n00:10:15,137 --> 00:10:42,992\n好,也就是說確實我們辦公室找了這麼多資料我們最在意的就是科普他必須要用不同的方法不同的時間點或是不同的形態被更多不在科學領域當中的人看見而且他們也願意參與其中我相信所有科學教育的普及絕對是這個時代的公民不能少的基本知識甚至我們在說不管是面對假資訊或者是面對詐騙面對更多判斷能力上需求我相信科學教育絕對不能缺席對嗎?\n\n27\n00:10:42,992 --> 00:10:43,053\n主委\n\n28\n00:10:45,126 --> 00:11:09,694\n是的,同意委員所以我要再次感謝國科會關於兒童科普的努力我們也看到那個活動我們希望可以持續辦理剛剛主委你已經答應了那後續的獎項或者是這個論壇的平台我們也希望國科會可以積極的跟進在科普的科學轉譯或是相關的科學教育或是科普的傳播我覺得國科會可以有更多的角色跟努力好不好是,謝謝那我們也會跟國科會一起努力\n\n29\n00:11:10,194 --> 00:11:10,234\n陳培瑜\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3016\t27736\t主委,謝謝主席。請主委。主委,我想要先謝謝國科會。在我們去年質詢關於兒少科普的事情之後呢,我們看到國科會在今年馬上就在Kids Science活動當中的一個系列,再加上給小小孩的Kids Science這個兒童日。那我自己當天也玩了非常多的\n28456\t50737\t一站一站的闖關跟相關的攤位甚至我還在現場意外的遇到我的好朋友帶他們家小小孩真的就實際去參與這個活動我相信這個事情如果回到你的小時候你你怎麼來看身為一個小孩你怎麼來看像這樣子有趣而且是讓孩子們直接走進科學研究大樓到這個現場去體驗你如何看像這樣的活動對孩子的意義\n51698\t51858\t陳培瑜\n73496\t92576\t那我覺得就像你剛剛講的你小時候沒有國科會但是現在的小孩長大有國科會給予這樣的支持所以我也很希望像這樣的活動一定要持續辦理甚至去討論擴大辦理的可能性那當然在不增加國科會工作壓力太多的情況之下我想我們就提出這樣的要求是不是主委這邊可以做個承諾\n93337\t117991\t我承諾要做這件事那其實我們經費的編列也已經增加了在未來這幾年希望能夠擴大對我們全國的小朋友他在這個科學上面的認知能夠及早讓他們了解激發他們的這個興趣那將來他不管從事任何的行業有這種科學的基礎對他們在任何即使是人文領域都會很有幫助\n118471\t136536\t這個我完全認同喔那這邊我看到處長也新上任的處長也已經在你的後面了這邊我想要問一下處長你有沒有印象在幾年前呢立法院其實有開了這個公聽會在2017年關於科技基本法修法的時候把科普入法的公聽會當時處長你也在你有印象在這個公聽會上\n137256\t152353\t其實我們提出一個非常重要的觀點就是不管是科學教育科學轉譯科學傳播其實應該都是重要的科普工具跟工作對不對這邊可不可以請處長回應一下之前您在這個公聽會上也有發言這樣\n154395\t171930\t謝謝委員我們希望說好的科學研究可以透過多層次的科學轉譯讓一般的民眾可以更清楚的理解那這個轉譯跟傳播其實也非常符合昭偉今天所定的主題他其實一個非常重要的政策溝通工具我們來看一下\n172310\t198191\t大家想到科普的時候真的就會想到我剛剛說包含我去參加那個活動叫科學教育活動但明明科學傳播跟知識轉譯其實也非常非常的重要但是在處長您新上任我想要跟您討論的我們如何去增加所謂科學傳播跟知識轉譯在國科會您的這個新上任之後你如何把這個視為是重要的政策方向我來分享一個網頁來我們往下看\n200464\t218732\t這個FB有一個專頁叫怪奇事務所他會用非常有趣的動畫或是圖卡來跟很多小孩分享關於科學知識還有大家都非常熟悉的搞笑諾貝爾獎可能在很多非常嚴肅的科學家眼中看起來這不是一個好的科學研究但是他確實可能是一個很重要的入門專再來或是樹幹實驗室他們會把很多\n221493\t235418\t﹏﹏\n238117\t260363\t對科學傳播就是除了科學教育之外呢其實還要有很多樂趣可以吸引一般民眾的眼光所以像比如說委員這個戴雄的便便為什麼是方的其實這一位搞笑肉非常得主現在是在清華大學動力機械系那他也在國科會的計畫邀請之下呢也到高雄的科工館\n261563\t286156\t做了一場科普講座是死尿物理學這個是一個非常吸引的我相信所有的小孩聽到死尿這兩個字就會非常的開心也就是說我們大人可能覺得怎麼不要一天到晚講這個又是死又是尿但是如果這個興趣可以作為孩子們進入或是一般成人進入科學領域我相信非常重要的一件事情所以我們來看下一頁其實國科會都支持了非常多好的研究可是\n286736\t286776\t陳培瑜\n301940\t316281\t更不要講公共電視它的收看率跟一般其他商業電視台的比較可能又更低所以我這邊是不是可以積極的提出回到今天的專案報告主題所謂的永續科研跟政策溝通到底我們要怎麼樣把我們的科研成果讓社會知道\n317262\t332795\t我發現在國科會今年的永續科學學門專題研究我整理了這些我們來看一下它有台灣的廢水的問題地下水還有黑潮入侵還有新型態的海水與藻共生這麼多這麼多題目我們如何讓更多的公民知道\n333215\t359514\t台灣的科學家台灣的政府台灣的學者其實在非常多層面都非常努力回應到我剛說的科學轉譯跟科學傳播科學教育我覺得應該都會是非常重要的一部分好下一頁所以這邊也要拜託國科會提醒國科會一樣是科學轉譯的研究其實這幾年台灣有中研院的顏值有物或者是民間有非常多出版社也會跟很多專家學者合作\n360194\t388723\t出版相關的書籍不管是師大或是台大或是中研院都有很多跟民間合作的案例或者是他們自己也做有趣的網站我想要說相關的傳播知識如果沒有有趣作為一個很重要的入門專這對很多人來說就是一個門檻那我自己的專業我回來看其實是整體對於知識編輯的這個角度來看這個事情所以這邊是不是有一個建議想要提出來給國科會主委跟新上任的處長作為參考我們來看一下\n389483\t414019\t目前以科普為主出版為主的有所謂吳大游科普獎我相信兩位都知道還有國科會對於學校教授有相關的教案補助可是事實上我認為一個好的科普文或者是一個好的科普影片或是一個好用的科普網站如果沒有相對應的肯定方法給予他們相關的獎項相關的肯定對於這些在第一線做這些科普推廣\n414599\t414899\t這個要求很具體對不對?\n442312\t445135\t陳委員這個建議我們會納入考量因為按照剛剛的講法任何的改變需要請教我們這個專家我們請教過以後我們再研議一下看看\n460711\t488462\t我覺得成立獎項的困難大概有幾個啦一就是誰可以當這個獎項的評審或者是什麼樣的轉譯方法或是創作方法值得被肯定他是來自於受眾的肯定還是來自專家學者圈的肯定我覺得這是兩個不同的意見的交集但是國科會如果可以擔任這個籌備的平台把大家的意見做成一個溝通然後有一個起點我相信會有更多人願意投入所謂科學教育轉譯跟創作的這個\n491304\t519884\t他也可以成為國科會非常重要的幫手對不對是好謝謝委員的建議我們會仔細考慮那你不要只有持續考慮啦因為我還有一些時間所以我可以再多拜託一下如果不要持續考慮更積極我們可不可以先開相關會議來討論可能會遇到的困難可以可以我們會邀請這個領域的專家學者我們來請教看看是不是好好的設計這樣的這個誘因這個誘因就是要鼓勵大家能夠投入這是很正面的\n520644\t549543\t這是獎項的部分,那我們辦公室也會繼續再跟國科會來開會討論好不好?好,謝謝陳委員那有了獎項之後我們再多要求一個啦就是產業交流平台喔事實上很多的產官學交流其實對於很多議題的推進是非常重要我相信主委跟新的處長應該都很有感覺那目前呢在教育部有一個關於科學教育跟博物館的科普論壇但是我們有沒有辦法在國科會的支持底下辦一個關於科普內容創作者的交流論壇\n550844\t568833\t作為回應這個時代有更多年輕人或是更多的創業家更多的知識工作者科學教育知識工作者他們願意用不同的方法投入所謂科學教育他不會只局限於到大學去教書他也不會只局限於進中小學教科學他其實在各行各業都有這個機會\n569974\t599633\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n600261\t613776\t我們應該會找一些科普比較有經驗的前輩老師們大家一起來開會討論那甚至剛剛這張投影片裡面就是跟教育部的這個科普論壇其實也是有合作的機會謝謝\n615137\t642992\t好,也就是說確實我們辦公室找了這麼多資料我們最在意的就是科普他必須要用不同的方法不同的時間點或是不同的形態被更多不在科學領域當中的人看見而且他們也願意參與其中我相信所有科學教育的普及絕對是這個時代的公民不能少的基本知識甚至我們在說不管是面對假資訊或者是面對詐騙面對更多判斷能力上需求我相信科學教育絕對不能缺席對嗎?\n642992\t643053\t主委\n645126\t669694\t是的,同意委員所以我要再次感謝國科會關於兒童科普的努力我們也看到那個活動我們希望可以持續辦理剛剛主委你已經答應了那後續的獎項或者是這個論壇的平台我們也希望國科會可以積極的跟進在科普的科學轉譯或是相關的科學教育或是科普的傳播我覺得國科會可以有更多的角色跟努力好不好是,謝謝那我們也會跟國科會一起努力\n670194\t670234\t陳培瑜\n","txt":"主委,謝謝主席。請主委。主委,我想要先謝謝國科會。在我們去年質詢關於兒少科普的事情之後呢,我們看到國科會在今年馬上就在Kids Science活動當中的一個系列,再加上給小小孩的Kids Science這個兒童日。那我自己當天也玩了非常多的\n一站一站的闖關跟相關的攤位甚至我還在現場意外的遇到我的好朋友帶他們家小小孩真的就實際去參與這個活動我相信這個事情如果回到你的小時候你你怎麼來看身為一個小孩你怎麼來看像這樣子有趣而且是讓孩子們直接走進科學研究大樓到這個現場去體驗你如何看像這樣的活動對孩子的意義\n陳培瑜\n那我覺得就像你剛剛講的你小時候沒有國科會但是現在的小孩長大有國科會給予這樣的支持所以我也很希望像這樣的活動一定要持續辦理甚至去討論擴大辦理的可能性那當然在不增加國科會工作壓力太多的情況之下我想我們就提出這樣的要求是不是主委這邊可以做個承諾\n我承諾要做這件事那其實我們經費的編列也已經增加了在未來這幾年希望能夠擴大對我們全國的小朋友他在這個科學上面的認知能夠及早讓他們了解激發他們的這個興趣那將來他不管從事任何的行業有這種科學的基礎對他們在任何即使是人文領域都會很有幫助\n這個我完全認同喔那這邊我看到處長也新上任的處長也已經在你的後面了這邊我想要問一下處長你有沒有印象在幾年前呢立法院其實有開了這個公聽會在2017年關於科技基本法修法的時候把科普入法的公聽會當時處長你也在你有印象在這個公聽會上\n其實我們提出一個非常重要的觀點就是不管是科學教育科學轉譯科學傳播其實應該都是重要的科普工具跟工作對不對這邊可不可以請處長回應一下之前您在這個公聽會上也有發言這樣\n謝謝委員我們希望說好的科學研究可以透過多層次的科學轉譯讓一般的民眾可以更清楚的理解那這個轉譯跟傳播其實也非常符合昭偉今天所定的主題他其實一個非常重要的政策溝通工具我們來看一下\n大家想到科普的時候真的就會想到我剛剛說包含我去參加那個活動叫科學教育活動但明明科學傳播跟知識轉譯其實也非常非常的重要但是在處長您新上任我想要跟您討論的我們如何去增加所謂科學傳播跟知識轉譯在國科會您的這個新上任之後你如何把這個視為是重要的政策方向我來分享一個網頁來我們往下看\n這個FB有一個專頁叫怪奇事務所他會用非常有趣的動畫或是圖卡來跟很多小孩分享關於科學知識還有大家都非常熟悉的搞笑諾貝爾獎可能在很多非常嚴肅的科學家眼中看起來這不是一個好的科學研究但是他確實可能是一個很重要的入門專再來或是樹幹實驗室他們會把很多\n﹏﹏\n對科學傳播就是除了科學教育之外呢其實還要有很多樂趣可以吸引一般民眾的眼光所以像比如說委員這個戴雄的便便為什麼是方的其實這一位搞笑肉非常得主現在是在清華大學動力機械系那他也在國科會的計畫邀請之下呢也到高雄的科工館\n做了一場科普講座是死尿物理學這個是一個非常吸引的我相信所有的小孩聽到死尿這兩個字就會非常的開心也就是說我們大人可能覺得怎麼不要一天到晚講這個又是死又是尿但是如果這個興趣可以作為孩子們進入或是一般成人進入科學領域我相信非常重要的一件事情所以我們來看下一頁其實國科會都支持了非常多好的研究可是\n陳培瑜\n更不要講公共電視它的收看率跟一般其他商業電視台的比較可能又更低所以我這邊是不是可以積極的提出回到今天的專案報告主題所謂的永續科研跟政策溝通到底我們要怎麼樣把我們的科研成果讓社會知道\n我發現在國科會今年的永續科學學門專題研究我整理了這些我們來看一下它有台灣的廢水的問題地下水還有黑潮入侵還有新型態的海水與藻共生這麼多這麼多題目我們如何讓更多的公民知道\n台灣的科學家台灣的政府台灣的學者其實在非常多層面都非常努力回應到我剛說的科學轉譯跟科學傳播科學教育我覺得應該都會是非常重要的一部分好下一頁所以這邊也要拜託國科會提醒國科會一樣是科學轉譯的研究其實這幾年台灣有中研院的顏值有物或者是民間有非常多出版社也會跟很多專家學者合作\n出版相關的書籍不管是師大或是台大或是中研院都有很多跟民間合作的案例或者是他們自己也做有趣的網站我想要說相關的傳播知識如果沒有有趣作為一個很重要的入門專這對很多人來說就是一個門檻那我自己的專業我回來看其實是整體對於知識編輯的這個角度來看這個事情所以這邊是不是有一個建議想要提出來給國科會主委跟新上任的處長作為參考我們來看一下\n目前以科普為主出版為主的有所謂吳大游科普獎我相信兩位都知道還有國科會對於學校教授有相關的教案補助可是事實上我認為一個好的科普文或者是一個好的科普影片或是一個好用的科普網站如果沒有相對應的肯定方法給予他們相關的獎項相關的肯定對於這些在第一線做這些科普推廣\n這個要求很具體對不對?\n陳委員這個建議我們會納入考量因為按照剛剛的講法任何的改變需要請教我們這個專家我們請教過以後我們再研議一下看看\n我覺得成立獎項的困難大概有幾個啦一就是誰可以當這個獎項的評審或者是什麼樣的轉譯方法或是創作方法值得被肯定他是來自於受眾的肯定還是來自專家學者圈的肯定我覺得這是兩個不同的意見的交集但是國科會如果可以擔任這個籌備的平台把大家的意見做成一個溝通然後有一個起點我相信會有更多人願意投入所謂科學教育轉譯跟創作的這個\n他也可以成為國科會非常重要的幫手對不對是好謝謝委員的建議我們會仔細考慮那你不要只有持續考慮啦因為我還有一些時間所以我可以再多拜託一下如果不要持續考慮更積極我們可不可以先開相關會議來討論可能會遇到的困難可以可以我們會邀請這個領域的專家學者我們來請教看看是不是好好的設計這樣的這個誘因這個誘因就是要鼓勵大家能夠投入這是很正面的\n這是獎項的部分,那我們辦公室也會繼續再跟國科會來開會討論好不好?好,謝謝陳委員那有了獎項之後我們再多要求一個啦就是產業交流平台喔事實上很多的產官學交流其實對於很多議題的推進是非常重要我相信主委跟新的處長應該都很有感覺那目前呢在教育部有一個關於科學教育跟博物館的科普論壇但是我們有沒有辦法在國科會的支持底下辦一個關於科普內容創作者的交流論壇\n作為回應這個時代有更多年輕人或是更多的創業家更多的知識工作者科學教育知識工作者他們願意用不同的方法投入所謂科學教育他不會只局限於到大學去教書他也不會只局限於進中小學教科學他其實在各行各業都有這個機會\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n我們應該會找一些科普比較有經驗的前輩老師們大家一起來開會討論那甚至剛剛這張投影片裡面就是跟教育部的這個科普論壇其實也是有合作的機會謝謝\n好,也就是說確實我們辦公室找了這麼多資料我們最在意的就是科普他必須要用不同的方法不同的時間點或是不同的形態被更多不在科學領域當中的人看見而且他們也願意參與其中我相信所有科學教育的普及絕對是這個時代的公民不能少的基本知識甚至我們在說不管是面對假資訊或者是面對詐騙面對更多判斷能力上需求我相信科學教育絕對不能缺席對嗎?\n主委\n是的,同意委員所以我要再次感謝國科會關於兒童科普的努力我們也看到那個活動我們希望可以持續辦理剛剛主委你已經答應了那後續的獎項或者是這個論壇的平台我們也希望國科會可以積極的跟進在科普的科學轉譯或是相關的科學教育或是科普的傳播我覺得國科會可以有更多的角色跟努力好不好是,謝謝那我們也會跟國科會一起努力\n陳培瑜\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.016 --> 00:27.736\n主委,謝謝主席。請主委。主委,我想要先謝謝國科會。在我們去年質詢關於兒少科普的事情之後呢,我們看到國科會在今年馬上就在KidsScience活動當中的一個系列,再加上給小小孩的KidsScience這個兒童日。那我自己當天也玩了非常多的\n\n00:28.456 --> 00:50.737\n一站一站的闖關跟相關的攤位甚至我還在現場意外的遇到我的好朋友帶他們家小小孩真的就實際去參與這個活動我相信這個事情如果回到你的小時候你你怎麼來看身為一個小孩你怎麼來看像這樣子有趣而且是讓孩子們直接走進科學研究大樓到這個現場去體驗你如何看像這樣的活動對孩子的意義\n\n00:51.698 --> 00:51.858\n陳培瑜\n\n01:13.496 --> 01:32.576\n那我覺得就像你剛剛講的你小時候沒有國科會但是現在的小孩長大有國科會給予這樣的支持所以我也很希望像這樣的活動一定要持續辦理甚至去討論擴大辦理的可能性那當然在不增加國科會工作壓力太多的情況之下我想我們就提出這樣的要求是不是主委這邊可以做個承諾\n\n01:33.337 --> 01:57.991\n我承諾要做這件事那其實我們經費的編列也已經增加了在未來這幾年希望能夠擴大對我們全國的小朋友他在這個科學上面的認知能夠及早讓他們了解激發他們的這個興趣那將來他不管從事任何的行業有這種科學的基礎對他們在任何即使是人文領域都會很有幫助\n\n01:58.471 --> 02:16.536\n這個我完全認同喔那這邊我看到處長也新上任的處長也已經在你的後面了這邊我想要問一下處長你有沒有印象在幾年前呢立法院其實有開了這個公聽會在2017年關於科技基本法修法的時候把科普入法的公聽會當時處長你也在你有印象在這個公聽會上\n\n02:17.256 --> 02:32.353\n其實我們提出一個非常重要的觀點就是不管是科學教育科學轉譯科學傳播其實應該都是重要的科普工具跟工作對不對這邊可不可以請處長回應一下之前您在這個公聽會上也有發言這樣\n\n02:34.395 --> 02:51.930\n謝謝委員我們希望說好的科學研究可以透過多層次的科學轉譯讓一般的民眾可以更清楚的理解那這個轉譯跟傳播其實也非常符合昭偉今天所定的主題他其實一個非常重要的政策溝通工具我們來看一下\n\n02:52.310 --> 03:18.191\n大家想到科普的時候真的就會想到我剛剛說包含我去參加那個活動叫科學教育活動但明明科學傳播跟知識轉譯其實也非常非常的重要但是在處長您新上任我想要跟您討論的我們如何去增加所謂科學傳播跟知識轉譯在國科會您的這個新上任之後你如何把這個視為是重要的政策方向我來分享一個網頁來我們往下看\n\n03:20.464 --> 03:38.732\n這個FB有一個專頁叫怪奇事務所他會用非常有趣的動畫或是圖卡來跟很多小孩分享關於科學知識還有大家都非常熟悉的搞笑諾貝爾獎可能在很多非常嚴肅的科學家眼中看起來這不是一個好的科學研究但是他確實可能是一個很重要的入門專再來或是樹幹實驗室他們會把很多\n\n03:58.117 --> 04:20.363\n對科學傳播就是除了科學教育之外呢其實還要有很多樂趣可以吸引一般民眾的眼光所以像比如說委員這個戴雄的便便為什麼是方的其實這一位搞笑肉非常得主現在是在清華大學動力機械系那他也在國科會的計畫邀請之下呢也到高雄的科工館\n\n04:21.563 --> 04:46.156\n做了一場科普講座是死尿物理學這個是一個非常吸引的我相信所有的小孩聽到死尿這兩個字就會非常的開心也就是說我們大人可能覺得怎麼不要一天到晚講這個又是死又是尿但是如果這個興趣可以作為孩子們進入或是一般成人進入科學領域我相信非常重要的一件事情所以我們來看下一頁其實國科會都支持了非常多好的研究可是\n\n04:46.736 --> 04:46.776\n陳培瑜\n\n05:01.940 --> 05:16.281\n更不要講公共電視它的收看率跟一般其他商業電視台的比較可能又更低所以我這邊是不是可以積極的提出回到今天的專案報告主題所謂的永續科研跟政策溝通到底我們要怎麼樣把我們的科研成果讓社會知道\n\n05:17.262 --> 05:32.795\n我發現在國科會今年的永續科學學門專題研究我整理了這些我們來看一下它有台灣的廢水的問題地下水還有黑潮入侵還有新型態的海水與藻共生這麼多這麼多題目我們如何讓更多的公民知道\n\n05:33.215 --> 05:59.514\n台灣的科學家台灣的政府台灣的學者其實在非常多層面都非常努力回應到我剛說的科學轉譯跟科學傳播科學教育我覺得應該都會是非常重要的一部分好下一頁所以這邊也要拜託國科會提醒國科會一樣是科學轉譯的研究其實這幾年台灣有中研院的顏值有物或者是民間有非常多出版社也會跟很多專家學者合作\n\n06:00.194 --> 06:28.723\n出版相關的書籍不管是師大或是台大或是中研院都有很多跟民間合作的案例或者是他們自己也做有趣的網站我想要說相關的傳播知識如果沒有有趣作為一個很重要的入門專這對很多人來說就是一個門檻那我自己的專業我回來看其實是整體對於知識編輯的這個角度來看這個事情所以這邊是不是有一個建議想要提出來給國科會主委跟新上任的處長作為參考我們來看一下\n\n06:29.483 --> 06:54.019\n目前以科普為主出版為主的有所謂吳大游科普獎我相信兩位都知道還有國科會對於學校教授有相關的教案補助可是事實上我認為一個好的科普文或者是一個好的科普影片或是一個好用的科普網站如果沒有相對應的肯定方法給予他們相關的獎項相關的肯定對於這些在第一線做這些科普推廣\n\n06:54.599 --> 06:54.899\n這個要求很具體對不對?\n\n07:22.312 --> 07:25.135\n陳委員這個建議我們會納入考量因為按照剛剛的講法任何的改變需要請教我們這個專家我們請教過以後我們再研議一下看看\n\n07:40.711 --> 08:08.462\n我覺得成立獎項的困難大概有幾個啦一就是誰可以當這個獎項的評審或者是什麼樣的轉譯方法或是創作方法值得被肯定他是來自於受眾的肯定還是來自專家學者圈的肯定我覺得這是兩個不同的意見的交集但是國科會如果可以擔任這個籌備的平台把大家的意見做成一個溝通然後有一個起點我相信會有更多人願意投入所謂科學教育轉譯跟創作的這個\n\n08:11.304 --> 08:39.884\n他也可以成為國科會非常重要的幫手對不對是好謝謝委員的建議我們會仔細考慮那你不要只有持續考慮啦因為我還有一些時間所以我可以再多拜託一下如果不要持續考慮更積極我們可不可以先開相關會議來討論可能會遇到的困難可以可以我們會邀請這個領域的專家學者我們來請教看看是不是好好的設計這樣的這個誘因這個誘因就是要鼓勵大家能夠投入這是很正面的\n\n08:40.644 --> 09:09.543\n這是獎項的部分,那我們辦公室也會繼續再跟國科會來開會討論好不好?好,謝謝陳委員那有了獎項之後我們再多要求一個啦就是產業交流平台喔事實上很多的產官學交流其實對於很多議題的推進是非常重要我相信主委跟新的處長應該都很有感覺那目前呢在教育部有一個關於科學教育跟博物館的科普論壇但是我們有沒有辦法在國科會的支持底下辦一個關於科普內容創作者的交流論壇\n\n09:10.844 --> 09:28.833\n作為回應這個時代有更多年輕人或是更多的創業家更多的知識工作者科學教育知識工作者他們願意用不同的方法投入所謂科學教育他不會只局限於到大學去教書他也不會只局限於進中小學教科學他其實在各行各業都有這個機會\n\n10:00.261 --> 10:13.776\n我們應該會找一些科普比較有經驗的前輩老師們大家一起來開會討論那甚至剛剛這張投影片裡面就是跟教育部的這個科普論壇其實也是有合作的機會謝謝\n\n10:15.137 --> 10:42.992\n好,也就是說確實我們辦公室找了這麼多資料我們最在意的就是科普他必須要用不同的方法不同的時間點或是不同的形態被更多不在科學領域當中的人看見而且他們也願意參與其中我相信所有科學教育的普及絕對是這個時代的公民不能少的基本知識甚至我們在說不管是面對假資訊或者是面對詐騙面對更多判斷能力上需求我相信科學教育絕對不能缺席對嗎?\n\n10:42.992 --> 10:43.053\n主委\n\n10:45.126 --> 11:09.694\n是的,同意委員所以我要再次感謝國科會關於兒童科普的努力我們也看到那個活動我們希望可以持續辦理剛剛主委你已經答應了那後續的獎項或者是這個論壇的平台我們也希望國科會可以積極的跟進在科普的科學轉譯或是相關的科學教育或是科普的傳播我覺得國科會可以有更多的角色跟努力好不好是,謝謝那我們也會跟國科會一起努力\n\n11:10.194 --> 11:10.234\n陳培瑜\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.016,"end":27.736,"text":"主委,謝謝主席。請主委。主委,我想要先謝謝國科會。在我們去年質詢關於兒少科普的事情之後呢,我們看到國科會在今年馬上就在Kids Science活動當中的一個系列,再加上給小小孩的Kids 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