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00:03:03,927\n人家要請教我們臺中捷運藍線我也謝謝上個禮拜你們有再帶隊去現場產刊這個是我們臺中非常重要而且藍色捷運是期待十多年了好久了我們大家全力以赴臺中市政府團隊更是全力以赴所以本期要在這邊請教你去這個這個現刊呢我們的中捷藍線總經費大概是1615億\n\n9\n00:03:07,068 --> 00:03:08,609\n我們就遵照委員的交代\n\n10\n00:03:31,987 --> 00:03:40,471\n這個基本設計的核定希望10月底前來核定10月底以前務必要核定好不好所以剩下30天的時間拜託拜託拜託因為我們的市民已經等了十幾年我們非常非常的期待我想在台中市府的團隊我們是全力以赴所以我要拜託在這個時前時程請掌控\n\n11\n00:03:54,158 --> 00:03:54,899\n10月底以前將藍色捷運的審查通過\n\n12\n00:04:10,367 --> 00:04:10,647\n工程的流標問題\n\n13\n00:04:36,673 --> 00:05:00,259\n主委這個是最內行的這個工程流標那大概五千萬以上我們做了你的統計五千萬以上的工程採購流標率是七成左右那這個為什麼會如此那大家都只有說我缺人工我覺得這個不是一個理由不是一個非常主要的一個理由所以我們看到因為\n\n14\n00:05:01,957 --> 00:05:29,251\n大家都希望趕快完成但是你光光五千萬以上你就有七成的流標到底他的問題出在哪裡包括了你的廢標這些的情況本行認為工程會必須要做一個整體性方案的一個檢討你光光流標一次我們要浪費多少時間浪費多少人力那為什麼不從頭源頭把它做好請說明\n\n15\n00:05:31,074 --> 00:05:33,366\n這個的確是因為物價一直在上漲\n\n16\n00:05:34,690 --> 00:05:52,883\n那而且這個整個人力也都相對不足所以這個我們會跟流標的機關來跟他們討論是否需要修改相關的招標條件不是是否是務必需要因為您看到我們從這個109年到111年從68.85一直上升到78.07所以你明明白白你的占比一直在增加\n\n17\n00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:26,427\n你光光上半年112年去年上半年你查核的流票的金額案件就491件你的占比也是71點多所以我記得我們有一次在教育部的部分因為他重新做一個整體性的規劃他就降低那個流票率\n\n18\n00:06:27,512 --> 00:06:55,800\n所以你是不是應該要跟各部會去統籌我們會跟這個主辦機關那麼來你協助好不好這是你的專業你各部會你應該跟他們討論你為什麼會流標到七成你要浪費多少人力浪費多少的這個時間那你們應該要站在專業的領域跟他們去溝通要怎麼樣可以去修改\n\n19\n00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:04,065\n讓這個事件不要再流標七成五千萬以上就要流標七成你看我們浪費多少人力浪費多少時間\n\n20\n00:07:06,118 --> 00:07:11,082\n你如果都不去改變你也明明知道目前的困境是什麼你又不去改變那當然不只七成還會越來越高嗎\n\n21\n00:07:30,990 --> 00:08:00,063\n是不是主委本席具體建議你是不是主一個專案主一個專案依照目前的樣態我們在整個過程當中可以怎麼樣去協調一個能夠精進的方法我們針對個案都有持續在進行中就是針對個案流標多次的都會主動介入那當然你的成果還是一樣還是我告訴你的是七成以上\n\n22\n00:08:01,209 --> 00:08:15,468\n主委另外一個思維好不好另外一個思維目前的面向困境是什麼你以你的專業組一個專案去協助所有的各部會我們到底要怎麼樣去調整好嗎好\n\n23\n00:08:18,513 --> 00:08:31,008\n你多久時間可以告訴本市我們會針對這個問題有一個專案的討論做出建議啦做出建議對對對這個建議當然可以給這些留學的對去參考嘛那你大概多久時間可以告訴我們\n\n24\n00:08:32,538 --> 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這個是最內行的 這個工程流標那大概五千萬以上我們做了你的統計五千萬以上的工程採購流標率是七成左右那這個為什麼會如此那大家都只有說我缺人工我覺得這個不是一個理由不是一個非常主要的一個理由所以我們看到因為\n大家都希望趕快完成但是你光光五千萬以上你就有七成的流標到底他的問題出在哪裡包括了你的廢標這些的情況本行認為工程會必須要做一個整體性方案的一個檢討你光光流標一次我們要浪費多少時間浪費多少人力那為什麼不從頭源頭把它做好請說明\n這個的確是因為物價一直在上漲\n那而且這個整個人力也都相對不足所以這個我們會跟流標的機關來跟他們討論是否需要修改相關的招標條件不是是否是務必需要因為您看到我們從這個109年到111年從68.85一直上升到78.07所以你明明白白你的占比一直在增加\n你光光上半年112年去年上半年你查核的流票的金額案件就491件你的占比也是71點多所以我記得我們有一次在教育部的部分因為他重新做一個整體性的規劃他就降低那個流票率\n所以你是不是應該要跟各部會去統籌我們會跟這個主辦機關那麼來你協助好不好這是你的專業你各部會你應該跟他們討論你為什麼會流標到七成你要浪費多少人力浪費多少的這個時間那你們應該要站在專業的領域跟他們去溝通要怎麼樣可以去修改\n讓這個事件不要再流標七成五千萬以上就要流標七成你看我們浪費多少人力浪費多少時間\n你如果都不去改變你也明明知道目前的困境是什麼你又不去改變那當然不只七成還會越來越高嗎\n是不是主委本席具體建議你是不是主一個專案主一個專案依照目前的樣態我們在整個過程當中可以怎麼樣去協調一個能夠精進的方法我們針對個案都有持續在進行中就是針對個案流標多次的都會主動介入那當然你的成果還是一樣還是我告訴你的是七成以上\n主委另外一個思維好不好另外一個思維目前的面向困境是什麼你以你的專業組一個專案去協助所有的各部會我們到底要怎麼樣去調整好嗎好\n你多久時間可以告訴本市我們會針對這個問題有一個專案的討論做出建議啦做出建議對對對這個建議當然可以給這些留學的對去參考嘛那你大概多久時間可以告訴我們\n楊瓊瓔委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.351 --> 00:07.373\n主席本席想邀請主委請陳主委主委我們首先來討論碳排的問題公共工程委員會公共工程所佔的是全國一層的碳排那你的碳排你的KPI是什麼請教\n\n00:30.656 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