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00:00:53,275\n張委員好院長好今天剛好是10月1號是中共我們以前叫偽政權不過人家今天是他們慶祝他們建政75週年所以他特別昨天晚上在人民大會堂又特別發表了談話\n\n3\n00:00:54,782 --> 00:01:19,624\n說到臺灣問題的時候他又說要堅持一個中國原則和九二共識深化兩岸經濟文化交流合作促進兩岸同胞心靈契合堅決反對台獨分裂活動最重要是他還是要說實現祖國完全統一我不知道院長我們這個對他說的這些話有沒有什麼看法\n\n4\n00:01:20,879 --> 00:01:21,059\n其實我們也是應該這樣\n\n5\n00:01:46,421 --> 00:01:46,621\n好謝謝好\n\n6\n00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:25,358\n那個院長你先請坐啦齁我請交通部長啦你坐就沒關係啦不用一直站著啦委員站著我就必須站著我沒有站一整天齁\n\n7\n00:02:34,099 --> 00:02:52,003\n陳部長其實我不知道現在進勞卡是可以搭台鐵搭火車你也知道這個議題我在這個位置質詢了很多次你7月30號還有召開座談會針對這個議題我已經努力了好幾年了所以已經完成了\n\n8\n00:02:59,307 --> 00:03:22,887\n上一次的總質詢我有請教李孟彥部長我說台鐵就是一個成功的例子了那高鐵呢高鐵我認為也是可以然後那時候部長跟我講說其實他非常支持他回去會研究會趕快來做那我不知道\n\n9\n00:03:24,761 --> 00:03:50,426\n部長你這個交接的時候這些有沒有交接於你進度如何這個議題其實我有了解也有掌握那這個勁老卡其實每個縣市都有在發那我們也希望他能夠拓展到更多的運具從現在可以用的運具到未來可以用的運具要漸漸的來增加那所以高鐵的部分\n\n10\n00:03:50,826 --> 00:04:18,789\n委員也都一直很關心那部裡面也有跟高鐵公司這邊來做研究那目前所了解他們如果要做12個站體要能夠接受敬老卡的這個設施的話他們必須要改硬體那目前看起來算起來他們的硬體設施大概要7000萬左右不包含後面的軟體的那個更改軟體的更改另外算那另外呢也需要跟地方政府來配合因為每個縣市的敬老卡他的系統不盡相同\n\n11\n00:04:19,249 --> 00:04:47,044\n所以後面可能還有很多要延續來做但是前面的這個硬體建設我們已經跟高鐵公司在研究了看可不可以趕快來做部長跟院長我要一個觀念要溝通剛開始要不要搭火車搭台鐵大家就在講說各縣市這個額度不一然後各縣市意願不一我就說你只要把它做好了\n\n12\n00:04:48,376 --> 00:04:48,556\n同樣的道理\n\n13\n00:05:04,588 --> 00:05:23,688\n你高鐵你看才花7000多萬雖然是很這個數字我們不能說少但是全台灣的長者有多少你花了7000多萬我跟你講就會有縣市去配合只要一個縣市往前走全部就跟著走了\n\n14\n00:05:24,366 --> 00:05:47,461\n那可以讓一個長者他一個多一個選擇的空間讓他們可以去搭高鐵我認為是一個非常好的一件事情所以部長我覺得這7000多萬在整個交通部來講真的是九牛一毛我覺得應該要花啦我們一起來促成我不知道院長你的看法\n\n15\n00:05:48,750 --> 00:06:14,293\n早上有位委員也提到問說我們是不是有敬老卡我就把敬老卡帶在身上我就把敬老卡帶在身上但是我真的用過它我搭過公車但是我還沒有搭過台鐵那如果它能夠更充分的使用的話那像我們這樣子還可以四處跑的人應該是相當的方便我是覺得建議交通部跟高鐵公司也能夠去協調一下盡量讓我們的長者能夠\n\n16\n00:06:15,305 --> 00:06:39,162\n因為活動而健康因為健康我們也不用這麼多的照顧的這個經費這樣來算的話7000多萬或者可以再節約一下是值得是應該的在這邊替全國的長者先謝謝卓院長替自己也爭取一下你還算年輕但替全國的長者真的謝謝因為不要覺得7000多萬多你全國那麼多人其實不多\n\n17\n00:06:40,083 --> 00:06:40,103\n部長\n\n18\n00:06:54,027 --> 00:07:18,459\n這個泰山板橋輕軌我一直在爭取一個射後支線這個部長你也剛上任可能不清楚可是我必須跟你講我們交通部這邊我們把這個規劃的路線什麼的其實都已經有設計的都已經有一個射後支線的輪廓出來了\n\n19\n00:07:21,124 --> 00:07:41,144\n那其實現在就是兩個一個新北市政府跟我們這邊大家能夠配合能夠把這個把它做好新北市政府也說他人道又要留了然後呢他又弄了好幾條的路線說一句白話就是因為選舉他在拖啦\n\n20\n00:07:42,418 --> 00:08:07,970\n因為這是一開始就是我提出來的啦那新北市政府的態度就是能拖就拖啦不要在選前齁這個能夠定案啦新北市政府的態度就是這樣啦那我在這邊我要跟部長您說包括泰山板橋輕軌那時候我第一次當立委的時候我就麻煩我們交通部給規劃的預算\n\n21\n00:08:10,029 --> 00:08:36,555\n但我覺得一個地方的交通建設不應該因為選舉不應該因為政黨的不同而拖到這個騎乘所以我要在這邊要跟部長你說該怎麼樣就怎麼樣我們硬起來給新北市政府不要他每次要來他都一堆理由中央不支持然後怎麼樣中央支持的東西他故意在那邊拖\n\n22\n00:08:37,814 --> 00:08:46,622\n然後講一堆理由我把這個情況讓部長知道你要交代你們底下你們鐵道部什麼的態度要硬起來\n\n23\n00:08:47,654 --> 00:08:48,074\n我們來努力推動\n\n24\n00:09:15,729 --> 00:09:16,069\n文化部長\n\n25\n00:09:42,062 --> 00:10:09,536\n部長在我們板橋有一個國家兒童未來館的一個新建計畫不知道部長對這個計畫了解多少跟委員報告一下這個計畫到去年11月20號就已經正式設計圖已經出來而且由那個日本的伊東李雄跟台灣的建築師標到這個案子然後設計圖已經做出來了\n\n26\n00:10:10,296 --> 00:10:35,874\n我上任以後知道有這個案子以後我立刻在一個月內約伊東李雄來台灣針對這個案子重新討論講出我們的一些想法我們彼此的想法非常接近他也非常愉快我們想要在一個打造一個像森林一般的這個森林一般的一個未來館那之後就我們要花這兩年的時間今年跟明年要做\n\n27\n00:10:37,552 --> 00:10:55,190\n構造設計跟細部設計還有執照的申請那在這個等待的過程中我已經決定要做一個願景館在那個草地上透過願景館跟我們的真正小孩子開始進行探索才了解什麼叫做未來什麼叫做兒童未來\n\n28\n00:10:55,991 --> 00:10:56,011\n部長\n\n29\n00:11:24,836 --> 00:11:52,964\n這一個國家兒童未來館以前叫做特專山的專用地9393年要蓋大台北新劇院我是支持的非常支持104年新北市政府他要蓋商辦蓋豪宅全板橋人只有我民意代表只有我敢反對我就是不讓他蓋商辦蓋豪宅\n\n30\n00:11:53,922 --> 00:12:23,032\n然後我當立委我積極爭取不管你要是新居院也好或設什麼的也好反正就是不可以蓋保護公司不可以蓋豪宅好不容易我的堅持跟我的爭取行政院合定了行政院164億165億合定了那現在我是希望他趕快好趕快做好我跟你講\n\n31\n00:12:24,181 --> 00:12:42,788\n委員長我必須要在前面說一下每一個部長上來都有他的新想法我不認為你們的新想法不對啦但不要每個部長來一個新想法哇又拖了啦那這拖到什麼時候啊\n\n32\n00:12:43,797 --> 00:13:04,600\n對不對委員報告剛剛部長說過已經跟團隊來簽約了日方團隊簽約了後續內政部會接手國土組我希望在5年當中能夠完成院長簽約是部長還未來前就簽約了啦我說他5年當中要完成內政部國土組來接手我來解釋一下\n\n33\n00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:33,984\n包括曾經追加的預算我也跟設計師重新再算一遍說保證不能再追加預算然後在那個建築的體多大全部再確定一次我非常感動在一個大雨中走到那個這麼精華的地方我真的覺得非常大膽的決定要蓋這個羅東未來館那我沒有想要耽誤時間我覺得我一定要在期間內完成我不但要完成\n\n34\n00:13:34,704 --> 00:13:40,186\n而且希望充分利用他在蓋的過程中給我們兒童建築教育\n\n35\n00:13:40,885 --> 00:13:46,226\n我沒有說你會拖到時間我是說每次都這樣都會有很多改變這第一個是擔心第二個你也看到了我為什麼堅持在那塊地就是不可以蓋百貨公司什麼的\n\n36\n00:14:09,485 --> 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院長你先請坐啦齁我請交通部長啦你坐就沒關係啦不用一直站著啦委員站著我就必須站著我沒有站一整天齁\n154099\t172003\t陳部長其實我不知道現在進勞卡是可以搭台鐵搭火車你也知道這個議題我在這個位置質詢了很多次你7月30號還有召開座談會針對這個議題我已經努力了好幾年了所以已經完成了\n179307\t202887\t上一次的總質詢我有請教李孟彥部長我說台鐵就是一個成功的例子了那高鐵呢高鐵我認為也是可以然後那時候部長跟我講說其實他非常支持他回去會研究會趕快來做那我不知道\n204761\t230426\t部長你這個交接的時候這些有沒有交接於你進度如何這個議題其實我有了解也有掌握那這個勁老卡其實每個縣市都有在發那我們也希望他能夠拓展到更多的運具從現在可以用的運具到未來可以用的運具要漸漸的來增加那所以高鐵的部分\n230826\t258789\t委員也都一直很關心那部裡面也有跟高鐵公司這邊來做研究那目前所了解他們如果要做12個站體要能夠接受敬老卡的這個設施的話他們必須要改硬體那目前看起來算起來他們的硬體設施大概要7000萬左右不包含後面的軟體的那個更改軟體的更改另外算那另外呢也需要跟地方政府來配合因為每個縣市的敬老卡他的系統不盡相同\n259249\t287044\t所以後面可能還有很多要延續來做但是前面的這個硬體建設我們已經跟高鐵公司在研究了看可不可以趕快來做部長跟院長我要一個觀念要溝通剛開始要不要搭火車搭台鐵大家就在講說各縣市這個額度不一然後各縣市意願不一我就說你只要把它做好了\n288376\t288556\t同樣的道理\n304588\t323688\t你高鐵你看才花7000多萬雖然是很這個數字我們不能說少但是全台灣的長者有多少你花了7000多萬我跟你講就會有縣市去配合只要一個縣市往前走全部就跟著走了\n324366\t347461\t那可以讓一個長者他一個多一個選擇的空間讓他們可以去搭高鐵我認為是一個非常好的一件事情所以部長我覺得這7000多萬在整個交通部來講真的是九牛一毛我覺得應該要花啦我們一起來促成我不知道院長你的看法\n348750\t374293\t早上有位委員也提到問說我們是不是有敬老卡我就把敬老卡帶在身上我就把敬老卡帶在身上但是我真的用過它我搭過公車但是我還沒有搭過台鐵那如果它能夠更充分的使用的話那像我們這樣子還可以四處跑的人應該是相當的方便我是覺得建議交通部跟高鐵公司也能夠去協調一下盡量讓我們的長者能夠\n375305\t399162\t因為活動而健康因為健康我們也不用這麼多的照顧的這個經費這樣來算的話7000多萬或者可以再節約一下是值得是應該的在這邊替全國的長者先謝謝卓院長替自己也爭取一下你還算年輕但替全國的長者真的謝謝因為不要覺得7000多萬多你全國那麼多人其實不多\n400083\t400103\t部長\n414027\t438459\t這個泰山板橋輕軌我一直在爭取一個射後支線這個部長你也剛上任可能不清楚可是我必須跟你講我們交通部這邊我們把這個規劃的路線什麼的其實都已經有設計的都已經有一個射後支線的輪廓出來了\n441124\t461144\t那其實現在就是兩個一個新北市政府跟我們這邊大家能夠配合能夠把這個把它做好新北市政府也說他人道又要留了然後呢他又弄了好幾條的路線說一句白話就是因為選舉他在拖啦\n462418\t487970\t因為這是一開始就是我提出來的啦那新北市政府的態度就是能拖就拖啦不要在選前齁這個能夠定案啦新北市政府的態度就是這樣啦那我在這邊我要跟部長您說包括泰山板橋輕軌那時候我第一次當立委的時候我就麻煩我們交通部給規劃的預算\n490029\t516555\t但我覺得一個地方的交通建設不應該因為選舉不應該因為政黨的不同而拖到這個騎乘所以我要在這邊要跟部長你說該怎麼樣就怎麼樣我們硬起來給新北市政府不要他每次要來他都一堆理由中央不支持然後怎麼樣中央支持的東西他故意在那邊拖\n517814\t526622\t然後講一堆理由我把這個情況讓部長知道你要交代你們底下你們鐵道部什麼的態度要硬起來\n527654\t528074\t我們來努力推動\n555729\t556069\t文化部長\n582062\t609536\t部長在我們板橋有一個國家兒童未來館的一個新建計畫不知道部長對這個計畫了解多少跟委員報告一下這個計畫到去年11月20號就已經正式設計圖已經出來而且由那個日本的伊東李雄跟台灣的建築師標到這個案子然後設計圖已經做出來了\n610296\t635874\t我上任以後知道有這個案子以後我立刻在一個月內約伊東李雄來台灣針對這個案子重新討論講出我們的一些想法我們彼此的想法非常接近他也非常愉快我們想要在一個打造一個像森林一般的這個森林一般的一個未來館那之後就我們要花這兩年的時間今年跟明年要做\n637552\t655190\t構造設計跟細部設計還有執照的申請那在這個等待的過程中我已經決定要做一個願景館在那個草地上透過願景館跟我們的真正小孩子開始進行探索才了解什麼叫做未來什麼叫做兒童未來\n655991\t656011\t部長\n684836\t712964\t這一個國家兒童未來館以前叫做特專山的專用地9393年要蓋大台北新劇院我是支持的非常支持104年新北市政府他要蓋商辦蓋豪宅全板橋人只有我民意代表只有我敢反對我就是不讓他蓋商辦蓋豪宅\n713922\t743032\t然後我當立委我積極爭取不管你要是新居院也好或設什麼的也好反正就是不可以蓋保護公司不可以蓋豪宅好不容易我的堅持跟我的爭取行政院合定了行政院164億165億合定了那現在我是希望他趕快好趕快做好我跟你講\n744181\t762788\t委員長我必須要在前面說一下每一個部長上來都有他的新想法我不認為你們的新想法不對啦但不要每個部長來一個新想法哇又拖了啦那這拖到什麼時候啊\n763797\t784600\t對不對委員報告剛剛部長說過已經跟團隊來簽約了日方團隊簽約了後續內政部會接手國土組我希望在5年當中能夠完成院長簽約是部長還未來前就簽約了啦我說他5年當中要完成內政部國土組來接手我來解釋一下\n785200\t813984\t包括曾經追加的預算我也跟設計師重新再算一遍說保證不能再追加預算然後在那個建築的體多大全部再確定一次我非常感動在一個大雨中走到那個這麼精華的地方我真的覺得非常大膽的決定要蓋這個羅東未來館那我沒有想要耽誤時間我覺得我一定要在期間內完成我不但要完成\n814704\t820186\t而且希望充分利用他在蓋的過程中給我們兒童建築教育\n820885\t826226\t我沒有說你會拖到時間我是說每次都這樣都會有很多改變這第一個是擔心第二個你也看到了我為什麼堅持在那塊地就是不可以蓋百貨公司什麼的\n849485\t874403\t板橋最後一塊最大的樹地地點又最好你要做這些做什麼我其實有更好的想法更好的創意我們都可以接受只要是為了整個小孩子好因為這已經定案了未來是全台灣甚至全世界的小孩來的不是只有板橋的小孩子來的所以我在這邊我必須要說\n876565\t876585\t張宏陸議員\n891034\t919094\t在這裡就是要跟部長你說不管有什麼新的想法 新的什麼拜託 風塵不要再因為新的想法 新的什麼大幅在變動了這樣子就會拖到很多的時間我不會有新的想法就在原有的結構裡面沒有太大改變這點請委員放心但是因為這麼珍貴的一塊土地對我們來講我真的是要好好的把它做成是一個世界級的兒童未來這點請委員放心\n920555\t920575\t好\n949753\t950640\t謝謝\n","txt":"我先請那個院長請卓院長\n張委員好院長好今天剛好是10月1號是中共我們以前叫偽政權不過人家今天是他們慶祝他們建政75週年所以他特別昨天晚上在人民大會堂又特別發表了談話\n說到臺灣問題的時候他又說要堅持一個中國原則和九二共識深化兩岸經濟文化交流合作促進兩岸同胞心靈契合堅決反對台獨分裂活動最重要是他還是要說實現祖國完全統一我不知道院長我們這個對他說的這些話有沒有什麼看法\n其實我們也是應該這樣\n好 謝謝好\n那個 院長你先請坐啦齁我請交通部長啦你坐就沒關係啦不用一直站著啦委員站著我就必須站著我沒有站一整天齁\n陳部長其實我不知道現在進勞卡是可以搭台鐵搭火車你也知道這個議題我在這個位置質詢了很多次你7月30號還有召開座談會針對這個議題我已經努力了好幾年了所以已經完成了\n上一次的總質詢我有請教李孟彥部長我說台鐵就是一個成功的例子了那高鐵呢高鐵我認為也是可以然後那時候部長跟我講說其實他非常支持他回去會研究會趕快來做那我不知道\n部長你這個交接的時候這些有沒有交接於你進度如何這個議題其實我有了解也有掌握那這個勁老卡其實每個縣市都有在發那我們也希望他能夠拓展到更多的運具從現在可以用的運具到未來可以用的運具要漸漸的來增加那所以高鐵的部分\n委員也都一直很關心那部裡面也有跟高鐵公司這邊來做研究那目前所了解他們如果要做12個站體要能夠接受敬老卡的這個設施的話他們必須要改硬體那目前看起來算起來他們的硬體設施大概要7000萬左右不包含後面的軟體的那個更改軟體的更改另外算那另外呢也需要跟地方政府來配合因為每個縣市的敬老卡他的系統不盡相同\n所以後面可能還有很多要延續來做但是前面的這個硬體建設我們已經跟高鐵公司在研究了看可不可以趕快來做部長跟院長我要一個觀念要溝通剛開始要不要搭火車搭台鐵大家就在講說各縣市這個額度不一然後各縣市意願不一我就說你只要把它做好了\n同樣的道理\n你高鐵你看才花7000多萬雖然是很這個數字我們不能說少但是全台灣的長者有多少你花了7000多萬我跟你講就會有縣市去配合只要一個縣市往前走全部就跟著走了\n那可以讓一個長者他一個多一個選擇的空間讓他們可以去搭高鐵我認為是一個非常好的一件事情所以部長我覺得這7000多萬在整個交通部來講真的是九牛一毛我覺得應該要花啦我們一起來促成我不知道院長你的看法\n早上有位委員也提到問說我們是不是有敬老卡我就把敬老卡帶在身上我就把敬老卡帶在身上但是我真的用過它我搭過公車但是我還沒有搭過台鐵那如果它能夠更充分的使用的話那像我們這樣子還可以四處跑的人應該是相當的方便我是覺得建議交通部跟高鐵公司也能夠去協調一下盡量讓我們的長者能夠\n因為活動而健康因為健康我們也不用這麼多的照顧的這個經費這樣來算的話7000多萬或者可以再節約一下是值得是應該的在這邊替全國的長者先謝謝卓院長替自己也爭取一下你還算年輕但替全國的長者真的謝謝因為不要覺得7000多萬多你全國那麼多人其實不多\n部長\n這個泰山板橋輕軌我一直在爭取一個射後支線這個部長你也剛上任可能不清楚可是我必須跟你講我們交通部這邊我們把這個規劃的路線什麼的其實都已經有設計的都已經有一個射後支線的輪廓出來了\n那其實現在就是兩個一個新北市政府跟我們這邊大家能夠配合能夠把這個把它做好新北市政府也說他人道又要留了然後呢他又弄了好幾條的路線說一句白話就是因為選舉他在拖啦\n因為這是一開始就是我提出來的啦那新北市政府的態度就是能拖就拖啦不要在選前齁這個能夠定案啦新北市政府的態度就是這樣啦那我在這邊我要跟部長您說包括泰山板橋輕軌那時候我第一次當立委的時候我就麻煩我們交通部給規劃的預算\n但我覺得一個地方的交通建設不應該因為選舉不應該因為政黨的不同而拖到這個騎乘所以我要在這邊要跟部長你說該怎麼樣就怎麼樣我們硬起來給新北市政府不要他每次要來他都一堆理由中央不支持然後怎麼樣中央支持的東西他故意在那邊拖\n然後講一堆理由我把這個情況讓部長知道你要交代你們底下你們鐵道部什麼的態度要硬起來\n我們來努力推動\n文化部長\n部長在我們板橋有一個國家兒童未來館的一個新建計畫不知道部長對這個計畫了解多少跟委員報告一下這個計畫到去年11月20號就已經正式設計圖已經出來而且由那個日本的伊東李雄跟台灣的建築師標到這個案子然後設計圖已經做出來了\n我上任以後知道有這個案子以後我立刻在一個月內約伊東李雄來台灣針對這個案子重新討論講出我們的一些想法我們彼此的想法非常接近他也非常愉快我們想要在一個打造一個像森林一般的這個森林一般的一個未來館那之後就我們要花這兩年的時間今年跟明年要做\n構造設計跟細部設計還有執照的申請那在這個等待的過程中我已經決定要做一個願景館在那個草地上透過願景館跟我們的真正小孩子開始進行探索才了解什麼叫做未來什麼叫做兒童未來\n部長\n這一個國家兒童未來館以前叫做特專山的專用地9393年要蓋大台北新劇院我是支持的非常支持104年新北市政府他要蓋商辦蓋豪宅全板橋人只有我民意代表只有我敢反對我就是不讓他蓋商辦蓋豪宅\n然後我當立委我積極爭取不管你要是新居院也好或設什麼的也好反正就是不可以蓋保護公司不可以蓋豪宅好不容易我的堅持跟我的爭取行政院合定了行政院164億165億合定了那現在我是希望他趕快好趕快做好我跟你講\n委員長我必須要在前面說一下每一個部長上來都有他的新想法我不認為你們的新想法不對啦但不要每個部長來一個新想法哇又拖了啦那這拖到什麼時候啊\n對不對委員報告剛剛部長說過已經跟團隊來簽約了日方團隊簽約了後續內政部會接手國土組我希望在5年當中能夠完成院長簽約是部長還未來前就簽約了啦我說他5年當中要完成內政部國土組來接手我來解釋一下\n包括曾經追加的預算我也跟設計師重新再算一遍說保證不能再追加預算然後在那個建築的體多大全部再確定一次我非常感動在一個大雨中走到那個這麼精華的地方我真的覺得非常大膽的決定要蓋這個羅東未來館那我沒有想要耽誤時間我覺得我一定要在期間內完成我不但要完成\n而且希望充分利用他在蓋的過程中給我們兒童建築教育\n我沒有說你會拖到時間我是說每次都這樣都會有很多改變這第一個是擔心第二個你也看到了我為什麼堅持在那塊地就是不可以蓋百貨公司什麼的\n板橋最後一塊最大的樹地地點又最好你要做這些做什麼我其實有更好的想法更好的創意我們都可以接受只要是為了整個小孩子好因為這已經定案了未來是全台灣甚至全世界的小孩來的不是只有板橋的小孩子來的所以我在這邊我必須要說\n張宏陸議員\n在這裡就是要跟部長你說不管有什麼新的想法 新的什麼拜託 風塵不要再因為新的想法 新的什麼大幅在變動了這樣子就會拖到很多的時間我不會有新的想法就在原有的結構裡面沒有太大改變這點請委員放心但是因為這麼珍貴的一塊土地對我們來講我真的是要好好的把它做成是一個世界級的兒童未來這點請委員放心\n好\n謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:20.258 --> 00:21.639\n我先請那個院長請卓院長\n\n00:34.887 --> 00:53.275\n張委員好院長好今天剛好是10月1號是中共我們以前叫偽政權不過人家今天是他們慶祝他們建政75週年所以他特別昨天晚上在人民大會堂又特別發表了談話\n\n00:54.782 --> 01:19.624\n說到臺灣問題的時候他又說要堅持一個中國原則和九二共識深化兩岸經濟文化交流合作促進兩岸同胞心靈契合堅決反對台獨分裂活動最重要是他還是要說實現祖國完全統一我不知道院長我們這個對他說的這些話有沒有什麼看法\n\n01:20.879 --> 01:21.059\n其實我們也是應該這樣\n\n01:46.421 --> 01:46.621\n好謝謝好\n\n02:15.720 --> 02:25.358\n那個院長你先請坐啦齁我請交通部長啦你坐就沒關係啦不用一直站著啦委員站著我就必須站著我沒有站一整天齁\n\n02:34.099 --> 02:52.003\n陳部長其實我不知道現在進勞卡是可以搭台鐵搭火車你也知道這個議題我在這個位置質詢了很多次你7月30號還有召開座談會針對這個議題我已經努力了好幾年了所以已經完成了\n\n02:59.307 --> 03:22.887\n上一次的總質詢我有請教李孟彥部長我說台鐵就是一個成功的例子了那高鐵呢高鐵我認為也是可以然後那時候部長跟我講說其實他非常支持他回去會研究會趕快來做那我不知道\n\n03:24.761 --> 03:50.426\n部長你這個交接的時候這些有沒有交接於你進度如何這個議題其實我有了解也有掌握那這個勁老卡其實每個縣市都有在發那我們也希望他能夠拓展到更多的運具從現在可以用的運具到未來可以用的運具要漸漸的來增加那所以高鐵的部分\n\n03:50.826 --> 04:18.789\n委員也都一直很關心那部裡面也有跟高鐵公司這邊來做研究那目前所了解他們如果要做12個站體要能夠接受敬老卡的這個設施的話他們必須要改硬體那目前看起來算起來他們的硬體設施大概要7000萬左右不包含後面的軟體的那個更改軟體的更改另外算那另外呢也需要跟地方政府來配合因為每個縣市的敬老卡他的系統不盡相同\n\n04:19.249 --> 04:47.044\n所以後面可能還有很多要延續來做但是前面的這個硬體建設我們已經跟高鐵公司在研究了看可不可以趕快來做部長跟院長我要一個觀念要溝通剛開始要不要搭火車搭台鐵大家就在講說各縣市這個額度不一然後各縣市意願不一我就說你只要把它做好了\n\n04:48.376 --> 04:48.556\n同樣的道理\n\n05:04.588 --> 05:23.688\n你高鐵你看才花7000多萬雖然是很這個數字我們不能說少但是全台灣的長者有多少你花了7000多萬我跟你講就會有縣市去配合只要一個縣市往前走全部就跟著走了\n\n05:24.366 --> 05:47.461\n那可以讓一個長者他一個多一個選擇的空間讓他們可以去搭高鐵我認為是一個非常好的一件事情所以部長我覺得這7000多萬在整個交通部來講真的是九牛一毛我覺得應該要花啦我們一起來促成我不知道院長你的看法\n\n05:48.750 --> 06:14.293\n早上有位委員也提到問說我們是不是有敬老卡我就把敬老卡帶在身上我就把敬老卡帶在身上但是我真的用過它我搭過公車但是我還沒有搭過台鐵那如果它能夠更充分的使用的話那像我們這樣子還可以四處跑的人應該是相當的方便我是覺得建議交通部跟高鐵公司也能夠去協調一下盡量讓我們的長者能夠\n\n06:15.305 --> 06:39.162\n因為活動而健康因為健康我們也不用這麼多的照顧的這個經費這樣來算的話7000多萬或者可以再節約一下是值得是應該的在這邊替全國的長者先謝謝卓院長替自己也爭取一下你還算年輕但替全國的長者真的謝謝因為不要覺得7000多萬多你全國那麼多人其實不多\n\n06:40.083 --> 06:40.103\n部長\n\n06:54.027 --> 07:18.459\n這個泰山板橋輕軌我一直在爭取一個射後支線這個部長你也剛上任可能不清楚可是我必須跟你講我們交通部這邊我們把這個規劃的路線什麼的其實都已經有設計的都已經有一個射後支線的輪廓出來了\n\n07:21.124 --> 07:41.144\n那其實現在就是兩個一個新北市政府跟我們這邊大家能夠配合能夠把這個把它做好新北市政府也說他人道又要留了然後呢他又弄了好幾條的路線說一句白話就是因為選舉他在拖啦\n\n07:42.418 --> 08:07.970\n因為這是一開始就是我提出來的啦那新北市政府的態度就是能拖就拖啦不要在選前齁這個能夠定案啦新北市政府的態度就是這樣啦那我在這邊我要跟部長您說包括泰山板橋輕軌那時候我第一次當立委的時候我就麻煩我們交通部給規劃的預算\n\n08:10.029 --> 08:36.555\n但我覺得一個地方的交通建設不應該因為選舉不應該因為政黨的不同而拖到這個騎乘所以我要在這邊要跟部長你說該怎麼樣就怎麼樣我們硬起來給新北市政府不要他每次要來他都一堆理由中央不支持然後怎麼樣中央支持的東西他故意在那邊拖\n\n08:37.814 --> 08:46.622\n然後講一堆理由我把這個情況讓部長知道你要交代你們底下你們鐵道部什麼的態度要硬起來\n\n08:47.654 --> 08:48.074\n我們來努力推動\n\n09:15.729 --> 09:16.069\n文化部長\n\n09:42.062 --> 10:09.536\n部長在我們板橋有一個國家兒童未來館的一個新建計畫不知道部長對這個計畫了解多少跟委員報告一下這個計畫到去年11月20號就已經正式設計圖已經出來而且由那個日本的伊東李雄跟台灣的建築師標到這個案子然後設計圖已經做出來了\n\n10:10.296 --> 10:35.874\n我上任以後知道有這個案子以後我立刻在一個月內約伊東李雄來台灣針對這個案子重新討論講出我們的一些想法我們彼此的想法非常接近他也非常愉快我們想要在一個打造一個像森林一般的這個森林一般的一個未來館那之後就我們要花這兩年的時間今年跟明年要做\n\n10:37.552 --> 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