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00:01:32,068\n是的這個昨天一整天在網路在電視新聞上都一再的看到整個屋頂被掀開甚至貨櫃廠的貨櫃一個一個像火柴盒一樣被翻落那這個都是將近17期強風所在來的我覺得這個是過去很少見的一個狀況我們希望從現在開始地方政府也能夠跟市民\n\n5\n00:01:32,628 --> 00:01:56,573\n好好的去宣導如何加強整個屋頂那種違建的能夠處理掉那合法房屋能夠把屋頂加強所以也請中央政府可能在災前的會議裡面可以加進這個項目希望他們可以在臨時建材做一些預防性的處理這次這個氣象署跟整個應變中心一直在提醒說南部雨可能沒有像過去那麼大但風一定會很強\n\n6\n00:01:57,273 --> 00:02:02,336\n本期執行完之後也要立刻再前往南部也在這邊非常感謝我們的官員還有國軍弟兄警消同仁醫護人員清潔人員還有第一線的救災人員辛苦院長也謝謝大家\n\n7\n00:02:18,865 --> 00:02:20,946\n院長講到員警今年7月這個觸目驚心的新聞一位三重的黃姓員警遭獨駕的男子撞死請問具體我們加強的作為為何呢\n\n8\n00:02:47,298 --> 00:03:13,941\n類似這樣的案件不只這一件最近也有另外一件在吐沉我們覺得原警在執行任務的時候非常的危險自身的安全從警政署以下要好好的再做一個教育任何安全要放在最優先的地位來做思考所以我想內政部跟警政署都以這樣的案例一再發生深深的引以為戒希望能夠真的要進一步去照顧到安全\n\n9\n00:03:15,157 --> 00:03:43,679\n所以我們看到剛剛院長有提到三個月內有兩位員警被同樣的一種毒品叫做Ethomidate所製那第二位更是觸目驚心因為全國的國人有看到他是被脫形了被脫形了數百公尺這樣子的畫面三重的這位員警他有一位小孩只有4歲那這個清水派出所的所長非常優秀他本來是老師\n\n10\n00:03:44,820 --> 00:03:46,461\n院長在這邊真的很希望您可以\n\n11\n00:04:11,578 --> 00:04:12,199\n趙氏的兇手都已經罰判我們希望能夠速審速判\n\n12\n00:04:31,093 --> 00:04:33,615\n內政部有沒有這樣的信息?手頭上的這個資料但是比以往多\n\n13\n00:04:59,127 --> 00:05:11,904\n我跟各位報告今年的數據這也是今天早上我最新詢問相關單位今年到現在還沒有過完已經有9位員警自殺離世我們統計過去\n\n14\n00:05:15,347 --> 00:05:41,398\n112年以前過去10年加起來是52位所以今年到達9位已經監察院來函要求必須要改善了所以大家看到獨駕把他們脫行的新聞明明出去合法的執法還有像這樣子每個月幾乎都有警察自強又冒上媒體怎麼還會有人願意讓自己的小孩或是家人身陷這樣子的險境\n\n15\n00:05:44,360 --> 00:06:00,271\n報告委員我想有幾點第一個我們一定要深自檢討您剛所提到說因公殉職的兩位員警我們在前一陣子在預告之後把因公殉職的條件已經提高了再來就是我有到靈堂去跟他們的父母還有家人致意\n\n16\n00:06:00,891 --> 00:06:02,452\n毒蟲所吸用的一坨米子的部分目前為止法務部當然把它列為是三級的毒品\n\n17\n00:06:19,804 --> 00:06:20,024\n心理壓力非常大\n\n18\n00:06:36,912 --> 00:06:37,192\n衛福部專業\n\n19\n00:06:58,493 --> 00:07:00,615\n本席提醒因為醫療專業所以有詢問非常多的毒癮專家\n\n20\n00:07:17,506 --> 00:07:17,546\n陳菁徽\n\n21\n00:07:47,546 --> 00:08:07,174\n但是呢這個增長的速度有多快去年新北市只有查驗到13件但是今年到6月就暴增到49件而且有發現有兩成是未成年所以這種喪屍的毒品在青少年族群中傳播如何杜絕毒品入校是重中之重\n\n22\n00:08:08,254 --> 00:08:28,057\n我也很希望部長還有教育部部長以及這個內政部部長院長你們有時間可以走走到我們鬧區或是到我們各級學校放學的時間你會發現現在的年輕人可能人手一支電子煙雖然電子煙還是違法的拿在手上掛在脖子上未為一種風潮\n\n23\n00:08:29,238 --> 00:08:56,111\n那這些第一線的員警也有講到說好這件事是怎麼形成的他們取得這樣子非法的藥品或是毒品他一點點加進他的電子菸他會馬上有飄飄然的這種現象所以對他們來說是一個很便宜的毒品的改造所以他們聚集起來吸毒吸完以後騎機車難免就會發生很這個一害到我們行人安全的現象那我想問說\n\n24\n00:08:57,732 --> 00:09:09,108\n為什麼在台灣是一個管制的藥然後甚至你們已經列管成毒品還有這麼多人可以輕易的就可以持有呢我們有什麼具體的作為可以做呢\n\n25\n00:09:11,216 --> 00:09:28,261\n報告委員我想是這樣我剛有特別提到我們希望依托彌子有時候在市面上可能叫做喪屍煙彈的部分可以杜絕所以我們現在在上一次兩位殉職員警過後我也非常謝謝新北市的警察局他們在短暫時間內已經先找到這個毒蟲\n\n26\n00:09:29,301 --> 00:09:29,821\n竹蟲已經要尋上溯源﹖\n\n27\n00:09:59,381 --> 00:10:21,998\n你現在這個藥檢的試劑你有辦法驗出所有的新型毒品嗎當他去盤查的時候有辦法嗎沒有那麼快對沒有辦法所以我希望院長可以協助第一我們要給他武器嘛我們要給他必要的資源還要給他額外的津貼對嗎他是不是應該要有必要的津貼因為他的工作項目越來越繁雜\n\n28\n00:10:23,138 --> 00:10:43,206\n我們應該從生活跟勤務各方面來檢討現在工作上遇到的一些工作瓶頸那是不是也可以請院長全權來督導盤點更新他們的氣毒設備並且這個食藥署也應該要加入對於新興毒品各個單位教育部加強的查緝防治可不可以做到呢\n\n29\n00:10:43,772 --> 00:10:44,072\n以及校園\n\n30\n00:11:03,374 --> 00:11:25,778\n以及校園最後我也想提醒院長這個不只是毒價藥價毒價還有酒價還有藥價其實是越來越嚴重我看到審計部的報告有納入藥價的防治檢討根據推估每年因藥價造成交通事故死亡人數是高達300多人是高過酒價的致死人數所以這邊也請院長檢討現行的道安規則還有處罰條例相關規定好嗎\n\n31\n00:11:30,626 --> 00:11:31,126\n如果執法的強度\n\n32\n00:11:46,792 --> 00:12:02,344\n或是這個刑責的強度提高有效的來減少這樣的案件的話我想各方的意見我們都會深入的解答我們真的很不希望再看到這樣子的憾事所以我也會針對剛才我提出的5點就一個月再請各位提出報告謝謝兩位部長\n\n33\n00:12:04,659 --> 00:12:27,143\n接下來我們要請這個衛福部邱部長謝謝衛福部呢今年5月14號人工生殖法預告日期已經結束了所以我相信其實在這邊已經有很多委員問過了很多大家引起期盼包括人工生殖包括其他的為什麼行政院還是遲遲都還沒有把最新的版本送進我們立法院呢\n\n34\n00:12:28,326 --> 00:12:44,229\n預告的期間已經滿了但是現在各方的意見還相當的多元在繼續的溝通當中我相信立法院其實就代表民意因為大家從各個的各行各業各個選區過來所以如果可以到立法院來做出\n\n35\n00:12:44,650 --> 00:12:46,491\n對的委員部長答覆之前跟委員報告我們也認為在目前這個時代\n\n36\n00:13:06,604 --> 00:13:34,418\n整個社會的需求人工生殖法我們應該用正面非常正面積極看它所以我們願意來跟各界做更好的溝通那溝通的細節部長比較清楚好謝謝好報告委員那我們供7月31號完成供預告以後那因為意見很多所以我們蒐集的各意見也邀請了醫學護全而且倫理及法醫專家以及相關的社會的部會召開了5次以上的一個會議來討論\n\n37\n00:13:36,172 --> 00:13:47,600\n那近視將依法治的程序現在先說現在在衛福部的法規會如果應該在10月底可以報請報到行政院\n\n38\n00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:50,429\n這也是這個禮拜以來許許多多醫療院所很擔心的早上我有提到說誰在颱風天出情\n\n39\n00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:29,202\n醫師醫護人員醫事人員就是其中之一啊他們不會風雨好醫院所有的維生系統很多是24小時要開的他沒有辦法節能省電他就是要開著另外手術室他要維持低溫才能降低感染率\n\n40\n00:14:29,462 --> 00:14:29,502\n陳菁徽\n\n41\n00:14:45,163 --> 00:15:04,994\n但是這個禮拜電價審議會的新聞是反反覆覆一下說10月16號以後醫療院所就要漲14%一下又說現在可能你動漲那請問各位對於醫療院所以前我們還有電費的補貼或者是動漲大家對於10月16號之後的態度是如何呢請郭部長說明之前我們認為各位委員報告基本的態度是\n\n42\n00:15:12,814 --> 00:15:36,027\n醫療院所不會增加他的負擔那至於他的電費以前是由台電來吸收那未來我們要想用什麼方式來做助理但是原則就是不會增加醫療院所的負擔所以你的意思是說這14%院長會幫我們想辦法請部長來答報告委員我們這一次就是基本上醫療院所就是不漲\n\n43\n00:15:39,651 --> 00:15:53,859\n謝謝,謝謝各位今天給我們一個很明確的答案否則全國關心這件事的人要提心吊膽一直要等到10月16號才會有消息啊沒有啦,我們有公告啊昨天大家都在風災當中昨天部長就已經公布了謝謝國務部長\n\n44\n00:16:01,004 --> 00:16:18,443\n我覺得已經太多委員問過了所以我也不再多說太多但是上個禮拜因為很多委員真的很擔心您的意志很堅強說一定可以在明年6月前達到0.95但是院長有時候對外受訪又說財政這樣真的有點困難\n\n45\n00:16:19,344 --> 00:16:44,430\n當然最近新聞都有看到說我們上次討論要700億才能達成但是編列的預算顯然就沒有到所以今天本席也想要一起幫大家來思考我們有什麼開源節流的方法可以一起協助部長因為部長上禮拜回答陳玉珍委員你說到分級醫療開源節流改善就醫習慣都是您的方針是嗎要多管齊下\n\n46\n00:16:45,626 --> 00:16:59,743\n好,報告委員,我想我們真的非常感謝我們行政院,尤其院長、副院長對於我們健康的投資,特別在健保這邊的協助方案是有史以來最高的,我必須要先講清楚,但是\n\n47\n00:17:02,384 --> 00:17:23,942\n那要達到說我們所謂的0.95當然還要更多的努力我不是說一定能夠達到我是說我們會盡量努力而且醫療體系真的跟我講他們很感動那個行政院這麼的幫忙所以他們也要自己管理自己嘛譬如說我們做有效的管理當然有效的管理不是隨便的合山那種\n\n48\n00:17:25,783 --> 00:17:45,715\n還有整個醫療制度的改變,分級醫療的確實我們等一下也一起來回顧一下,您之前擔任委員,我知道您對於浮動點值、平均點值、攤扣、斷頭其實您都有很多的想法,也質詢過薛睿源部長,我們也稍微看一下這總量成本都不止0.8,財政部給我們的成本就0.8,你可以基層0.81,你可以基層0.1、0.7多少你知道他怎麼經營?\n\n49\n00:17:51,947 --> 00:17:55,469\n對,部長您講得很清楚我們現在面對的問題就是\n\n50\n00:18:19,193 --> 00:18:42,145\n為了達到目標點子0.92、0.93又開始了您以前講到的斷頭、彈扣這樣子的行為好距離您之前當委員的時候知道現在的醫療院所又多了哪些多了通膨多了電價的調漲雖然剛剛說可能一度不用多了碳盤查多了基本工資的調漲多了護理人員的出走\n\n51\n00:18:43,587 --> 00:18:43,687\n發言委員這個\n\n52\n00:19:13,131 --> 00:19:18,852\n攤客或者是斷頭這個都是各區他們自己自主性的一個\n\n53\n00:19:19,952 --> 00:19:45,297\n其實健保署等於是跟醫界這邊的簽約是自主管理所以他有不同的方式但套一句您剛剛講的要人家怎麼運營說實在的一群醫護人員他今年開始他的業務他可能沒有辦法預期醫療利用率老齡化的現象或是新型傳染病所以他到他今年的業務結束以後第一他要先看你的浮動點子是多少\n\n54\n00:19:45,657 --> 00:19:47,478\n當然我在當立法委員的時候一定是跟議事團體聽他們的心聲然後我們覺得有道理要再爭取\n\n55\n00:20:15,385 --> 00:20:29,474\n我們當然就是把他們的意見講出來然後盡量爭取那這段期間其實我們可以看到行政院的還有相關的長官們真的非常努力在希望我們不但要創造\n\n56\n00:20:30,815 --> 00:20:31,115\n陳菁徽\n\n57\n00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:45,820\n法務部長備詢\n\n58\n00:21:14,947 --> 00:21:15,108\n法務部長\n\n59\n00:21:24,016 --> 00:21:53,090\n所以呢這個攤扣既然沒有法源的依據也沒有很強烈在所有的健保法相關法規裡面我也想請教法務部部長的意見根據我們釋字443號解釋他是不是有剝奪我們生命限制人民身體自由或者是有這個我們其他自由權利的限制者應該有法律來加以規範了因為他等於是變相把一個應得的酬勞再加出來還給政府這很明顯就是侵害到人民的\n\n60\n00:22:09,801 --> 00:22:22,429\n院長我也很希望您回去可以花點時間研究一下當你想要把帳面上做得很漂亮但是你在私底下用了很多的手段讓他的帳面好看其實你沒有辦法\n\n61\n00:22:23,129 --> 00:22:23,369\n謝謝委員提醒\n\n62\n00:22:45,202 --> 00:22:45,402\n主席\n\n63\n00:23:01,065 --> 00:23:03,826\n上禮拜您回應陳玉珍委員說分級醫療就是一個很好的方法我盤點了過去106到113年我們總共是編列了530億\n\n64\n00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:39,903\n花在分級醫療﹚結果呢我們下轉的案件是負成長再來齁從基層醫療到區域醫院到醫學中心就醫的比例是一棟也不動那你們今年還要再編列預算的話如果是用一樣的老方法覺得有效嗎\n\n65\n00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:44,280\n推行分級醫療轉整制度都推行的非常有限那未來我是希望說推行分級醫療\n\n66\n00:24:03,528 --> 00:24:16,060\n這個預算拜託可以真的看到一點點成效好嗎因為過去8年是不動如山我想不只是說分級門診可以減少多少錢不只是這樣子而已應該用更好的一個方式來推\n\n67\n00:24:16,967 --> 00:24:34,643\n這個也是我們希望可以幫邱委員現在當邱部長落實的其實最近在開很多公聽會我們會發現說好癌症性要精心審查裡面有一大部分是拿來做篩檢篩檢呢你就會發現如果你篩檢一半肺癌大腸癌在前期跟篩檢一半是在晚期\n\n68\n00:24:35,143 --> 00:24:59,720\n他後面的醫療支出是天差地遠所以之前邱委員就提出說自費的健康檢查特別扣除額本席也覺得其實可以因為如果你沒有鼓勵大家可以在初期的時候就篩檢出來你背後的費用是更為龐大所以院長可以在這邊拜託您回去跟我們財政部部長一個月內進行這個可行性的研擬嗎\n\n69\n00:25:02,672 --> 00:25:27,025\n這是一個非常值得去研議的一個觀點如果能夠提前篩檢出來比如說我們最近做了一些很多像癌症的篩檢乳癌它可以提前篩檢出來但治療的成效卻不是像我們想像那麼好這可能我們治療的過程當中可能要用新的方式但是總是鼓勵大家能夠提前我們現在最多的肺癌大腸癌這兩項在前期它只要開刀治療的成效非常的好\n\n70\n00:25:27,585 --> 00:25:28,105\n高雄關於觀光教育還有行人安全的\n\n71\n00:25:44,991 --> 00:25:45,151\n相關部會首長請備詢\n\n72\n00:26:03,513 --> 00:26:03,893\n法定人數不足\n\n73\n00:26:33,573 --> 00:26:50,655\n好這個這一間廁所在沖馬桶另外一間的水會沖到你的屁股還有它這個滴水啊上面下面已經連成一個鐘乳石這樣子的奇景了我真的很希望各位可以花點時間去看看這是我會刊親眼所及啊\n\n74\n00:26:51,115 --> 00:27:18,263\n我聽說教育部在7月的時候又提報了一筆80億的廁所預算聽說行政院9月26拿到審核的結果是不是想知道說80億什麼時候可以讓教育部拿到位因為我們高雄的市政府都已經撥好地方必須要付的福山國小明德國小新甲國小等等的案例都準備好配合的錢只需要教育部行政院一個點頭學校就可以馬上施工而不是讓這些小朋友從念小學一直等到畢業廁所都還沒好\n\n75\n00:27:19,446 --> 00:27:45,394\n跟委員報告過去8年我們投入了83.5億1141151163年我們編列了81希望能夠整建2670間70棟的老舊廁所能夠注意到公共設施或是學校廁所的這個問題都跟我一樣我們都有一種屁啊潔癖之類的所以這81什麼時候教育部可以拿到我們已經編列了明年預算一通過我們就馬上可以請教育部長來指導\n\n76\n00:27:46,181 --> 00:28:11,306\n是謝謝委員的一個關心：確實上一次委員所關心的學校：那我們也循這一個程序：這一個跟行政院：院長來報告那院長也非常的這一個：覺得這是一個非常重要的：影響到學生的學習品質：所以院長在上個禮拜已經批\n\n77\n00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:18,304\n我更希望他優先用到真正快速趕快需要改善的地方請委員能夠提供\n\n78\n00:28:32,078 --> 00:28:57,177\n謝謝我們接下來請陳部長還有陳主委齁這個連池潭是我們高雄很重要的觀光景點也是這個禮拜風災重創的但是據我所知有一筆這個補助2268元的風景區營造工程啊觀光署對於高雄市提報的預算書圖有意見所以在這邊可不可以特別跟陳部長拜託一下在地方政府修正他的書圖的同時可不可以允許他們同時的工程招標呢\n\n79\n00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:17,816\n報告委員他們預計在10月9號也就是下個禮拜會辦理工程上網招標的公告10月9號就會來進行謝謝部長那我也請陳主委就發揮您的專業可以在他們整個標案設計發包工程建案等等的順暢度可以協助他們好嗎謝謝主委可以\n\n80\n00:29:19,429 --> 00:29:46,509\n謝謝接下來是跟我們劉部長比較相關而且是劉部長非常熟悉的區域啊這個行人安全四年四百億行人安全的這個計畫有很多都是在學校周邊都是劉部長非常熟悉的那我知道說這個第二第三已經獲得公路局通過但是第一個因為跟中央道路無關所以推回給國土署可不可以請劉部長在這邊幫忙我們國土署可以接到這個作為審查的第一順位呢\n\n81\n00:29:47,089 --> 00:29:48,752\n跟委員補充報告\n\n82\n00:30:00,438 --> 00:30:03,159\n10月1號審查第一順位有沒有什麼好消息可以提供給我們\n\n83\n00:30:28,769 --> 00:30:29,230\n陳菁威委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5915\t10980\t主席各位官員想請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備選\n21162\t40544\t謝謝院長 陳委員好院長請看但是我相信你也都知道啦山土耳颱風還有最近這從7月開始的兩個颱風衝擊我們南台灣盛聚在這邊必須要拜託院長全力協助我們災後的重建復原還有損害可以從寬任列\n41985\t65419\t對 院長您有在網路上看到許多像我們南部的房子臨時的建材在17級的陣風之下抵擋不住所以本席在這邊也接獲了非常多的陳情他在路上不管是騎機車或開車但是會有東西從天而降這種臨時的建材中央對於未來我們風災的因應有沒有什麼解方\n66346\t92068\t是的 這個昨天一整天在網路在電視新聞上都一再的看到整個屋頂被掀開甚至貨櫃廠的貨櫃一個一個像火柴盒一樣被翻落那這個都是將近17期強風所在來的我覺得這個是過去很少見的一個狀況我們希望從現在開始地方政府也能夠跟市民\n92628\t116573\t好好的去宣導如何加強整個屋頂那種違建的能夠處理掉那合法房屋能夠把屋頂加強所以也請中央政府可能在災前的會議裡面可以加進這個項目希望他們可以在臨時建材做一些預防性的處理這次這個氣象署跟整個應變中心一直在提醒說南部雨可能沒有像過去那麼大但風一定會很強\n117273\t122336\t本期執行完之後也要立刻再前往南部也在這邊非常感謝我們的官員還有國軍弟兄警消同仁醫護人員清潔人員還有第一線的救災人員辛苦院長也謝謝大家\n138865\t140946\t院長講到員警今年7月這個觸目驚心的新聞一位三重的黃姓員警遭獨駕的男子撞死請問具體我們加強的作為為何呢\n167298\t193941\t類似這樣的案件不只這一件 最近也有另外一件在吐沉我們覺得 原警在執行任務的時候 非常的危險自身的安全 從警政署以下 要好好的再做一個教育任何安全要放在最優先的地位來做思考所以我想內政部跟警政署都以這樣的案例 一再發生深深的引以為戒希望能夠真的要進一步去照顧到安全\n195157\t223679\t所以我們看到剛剛院長有提到三個月內有兩位員警被同樣的一種毒品叫做Ethomidate所製那第二位更是觸目驚心因為全國的國人有看到他是被脫形了被脫形了數百公尺這樣子的畫面三重的這位員警他有一位小孩只有4歲那這個清水派出所的所長非常優秀他本來是老師\n224820\t226461\t院長在這邊真的很希望您可以\n251578\t252199\t趙氏的兇手都已經罰判我們希望能夠速審速判\n271093\t273615\t內政部有沒有這樣的信息?手頭上的這個資料但是比以往多\n299127\t311904\t我跟各位報告今年的數據這也是今天早上我最新詢問相關單位今年到現在還沒有過完已經有9位員警自殺離世我們統計過去\n315347\t341398\t112年以前過去10年加起來是52位所以今年到達9位已經監察院來函要求必須要改善了所以大家看到獨駕把他們脫行的新聞明明出去合法的執法還有像這樣子每個月幾乎都有警察自強又冒上媒體怎麼還會有人願意讓自己的小孩或是家人身陷這樣子的險境\n344360\t360271\t報告委員我想有幾點第一個我們一定要深自檢討您剛所提到說因公殉職的兩位員警我們在前一陣子在預告之後把因公殉職的條件已經提高了再來就是我有到靈堂去跟他們的父母還有家人致意\n360891\t362452\t毒蟲所吸用的一坨米子的部分目前為止法務部當然把它列為是三級的毒品\n379804\t380024\t心理壓力非常大\n396912\t397192\t衛福部專業\n418493\t420615\t本席提醒因為醫療專業所以有詢問非常多的毒癮專家\n437506\t437546\t陳菁徽\n467546\t487174\t但是呢這個增長的速度有多快去年新北市只有查驗到13件但是今年到6月就暴增到49件而且有發現有兩成是未成年所以這種喪屍的毒品在青少年族群中傳播如何杜絕毒品入校是重中之重\n488254\t508057\t我也很希望部長還有教育部部長以及這個內政部部長院長你們有時間可以走走到我們鬧區或是到我們各級學校放學的時間你會發現現在的年輕人可能人手一支電子煙雖然電子煙還是違法的拿在手上掛在脖子上未為一種風潮\n509238\t536111\t那這些第一線的員警也有講到說好這件事是怎麼形成的他們取得這樣子非法的藥品或是毒品他一點點加進他的電子菸他會馬上有飄飄然的這種現象所以對他們來說是一個很便宜的毒品的改造所以他們聚集起來吸毒吸完以後騎機車難免就會發生很這個一害到我們行人安全的現象那我想問說\n537732\t549108\t為什麼在台灣是一個管制的藥然後甚至你們已經列管成毒品還有這麼多人可以輕易的就可以持有呢我們有什麼具體的作為可以做呢\n551216\t568261\t報告委員我想是這樣我剛有特別提到我們希望依托彌子有時候在市面上可能叫做喪屍煙彈的部分可以杜絕所以我們現在在上一次兩位殉職員警過後我也非常謝謝新北市的警察局他們在短暫時間內已經先找到這個毒蟲\n569301\t569821\t竹蟲已經要尋上溯源﹖\n599381\t621998\t你現在這個藥檢的試劑你有辦法驗出所有的新型毒品嗎當他去盤查的時候有辦法嗎沒有那麼快對沒有辦法所以我希望院長可以協助第一我們要給他武器嘛我們要給他必要的資源還要給他額外的津貼對嗎他是不是應該要有必要的津貼因為他的工作項目越來越繁雜\n623138\t643206\t我們應該從生活跟勤務各方面來檢討現在工作上遇到的一些工作瓶頸那是不是也可以請院長全權來督導盤點更新他們的氣毒設備並且這個食藥署也應該要加入對於新興毒品各個單位教育部加強的查緝防治可不可以做到呢\n643772\t644072\t以及校園\n663374\t685778\t以及校園最後我也想提醒院長這個不只是毒價藥價毒價還有酒價還有藥價其實是越來越嚴重我看到審計部的報告有納入藥價的防治檢討根據推估每年因藥價造成交通事故死亡人數是高達300多人是高過酒價的致死人數所以這邊也請院長檢討現行的道安規則還有處罰條例相關規定好嗎\n690626\t691126\t如果執法的強度\n706792\t722344\t或是這個刑責的強度提高有效的來減少這樣的案件的話我想各方的意見我們都會深入的解答我們真的很不希望再看到這樣子的憾事所以我也會針對剛才我提出的5點就一個月再請各位提出報告謝謝兩位部長\n724659\t747143\t接下來我們要請這個衛福部 邱部長謝謝衛福部呢今年5月14號人工生殖法預告日期已經結束了所以我相信其實在這邊已經有很多委員問過了很多大家引起期盼包括人工生殖包括其他的為什麼行政院還是遲遲都還沒有把最新的版本送進我們立法院呢\n748326\t764229\t預告的期間已經滿了但是現在各方的意見還相當的多元在繼續的溝通當中我相信立法院其實就代表民意因為大家從各個的各行各業各個選區過來所以如果可以到立法院來做出\n764650\t766491\t對的 委員部長答覆之前跟委員報告我們也認為在目前這個時代\n786604\t814418\t整個社會的需求人工生殖法我們應該用正面非常正面積極看它所以我們願意來跟各界做更好的溝通那溝通的細節部長比較清楚好 謝謝好 報告委員那我們供7月31號完成供預告以後那因為意見很多所以我們蒐集的各意見也邀請了醫學護全而且倫理及法醫專家以及相關的社會的部會召開了5次以上的一個會議來討論\n816172\t827600\t那近視將依法治的程序現在先說現在在衛福部的法規會如果應該在10月底可以報請報到行政院\n828328\t830429\t這也是這個禮拜以來許許多多醫療院所很擔心的早上我有提到說誰在颱風天出情\n853820\t869202\t醫師醫護人員醫事人員就是其中之一啊他們不會風雨好醫院所有的維生系統很多是24小時要開的他沒有辦法節能省電他就是要開著另外手術室他要維持低溫才能降低感染率\n869462\t869502\t陳菁徽\n885163\t904994\t但是這個禮拜電價審議會的新聞是反反覆覆一下說10月16號以後醫療院所就要漲14%一下又說現在可能你動漲那請問各位對於醫療院所以前我們還有電費的補貼或者是動漲大家對於10月16號之後的態度是如何呢請郭部長說明之前我們認為各位委員報告基本的態度是\n912814\t936027\t醫療院所不會增加他的負擔那至於他的電費以前是由台電來吸收那未來我們要想用什麼方式來做助理但是原則就是不會增加醫療院所的負擔所以你的意思是說這14%院長會幫我們想辦法請部長來答報告委員我們這一次就是基本上醫療院所就是不漲\n939651\t953859\t謝謝,謝謝各位今天給我們一個很明確的答案否則全國關心這件事的人要提心吊膽一直要等到10月16號才會有消息啊沒有啦,我們有公告啊昨天大家都在風災當中昨天部長就已經公布了謝謝國務部長\n961004\t978443\t我覺得已經太多委員問過了所以我也不再多說太多但是上個禮拜因為很多委員真的很擔心您的意志很堅強說一定可以在明年6月前達到0.95但是院長有時候對外受訪又說財政這樣真的有點困難\n979344\t1004430\t當然最近新聞都有看到說我們上次討論要700億才能達成但是編列的預算顯然就沒有到所以今天本席也想要一起幫大家來思考我們有什麼開源節流的方法可以一起協助部長因為部長上禮拜回答陳玉珍委員你說到分級醫療開源節流改善就醫習慣都是您的方針是嗎要多管齊下\n1005626\t1019743\t好,報告委員,我想我們真的非常感謝我們行政院,尤其院長、副院長對於我們健康的投資,特別在健保這邊的協助方案是有史以來最高的,我必須要先講清楚,但是\n1022384\t1043942\t那要達到說我們所謂的0.95當然還要更多的努力我不是說一定能夠達到我是說我們會盡量努力而且醫療體系真的跟我講他們很感動那個行政院這麼的幫忙所以他們也要自己管理自己嘛譬如說我們做有效的管理當然有效的管理不是隨便的合山那種\n1045783\t1065715\t還有整個醫療制度的改變,分級醫療的確實我們等一下也一起來回顧一下,您之前擔任委員,我知道您對於浮動點值、平均點值、攤扣、斷頭其實您都有很多的想法,也質詢過薛睿源部長,我們也稍微看一下這總量成本都不止0.8,財政部給我們的成本就0.8,你可以基層0.81,你可以基層0.1、0.7多少你知道他怎麼經營?\n1071947\t1075469\t對,部長您講得很清楚我們現在面對的問題就是\n1099193\t1122145\t為了達到目標點子0.92、0.93又開始了您以前講到的斷頭、彈扣這樣子的行為好 距離您之前當委員的時候 知道現在的醫療院所又多了哪些多了通膨 多了電價的調漲 雖然剛剛說可能一度不用多了碳盤查 多了基本工資的調漲 多了護理人員的出走\n1123587\t1123687\t發言委員 這個\n1153131\t1158852\t攤客或者是斷頭這個都是各區他們自己自主性的一個\n1159952\t1185297\t其實健保署等於是跟醫界這邊的簽約是自主管理所以他有不同的方式但套一句您剛剛講的要人家怎麼運營說實在的一群醫護人員他今年開始他的業務他可能沒有辦法預期醫療利用率老齡化的現象或是新型傳染病所以他到他今年的業務結束以後第一他要先看你的浮動點子是多少\n1185657\t1187478\t當然我在當立法委員的時候一定是跟議事團體聽他們的心聲然後我們覺得有道理要再爭取\n1215385\t1229474\t我們當然就是把他們的意見講出來然後盡量爭取那這段期間其實我們可以看到行政院的還有相關的長官們真的非常努力在希望我們不但要創造\n1230815\t1231115\t陳菁徽\n1245720\t1245820\t法務部長備詢\n1274947\t1275108\t法務部長\n1284016\t1313090\t所以呢這個攤扣既然沒有法源的依據也沒有很強烈在所有的健保法相關法規裡面我也想請教法務部部長的意見根據我們釋字443號解釋他是不是有剝奪我們生命限制人民身體自由或者是有這個我們其他自由權利的限制者應該有法律來加以規範了因為他等於是變相把一個應得的酬勞再加出來還給政府這很明顯就是侵害到人民的\n1329801\t1342429\t院長我也很希望您回去可以花點時間研究一下當你想要把帳面上做得很漂亮但是你在私底下用了很多的手段讓他的帳面好看其實你沒有辦法\n1343129\t1343369\t謝謝委員提醒\n1365202\t1365402\t主席\n1381065\t1383826\t上禮拜您回應陳玉珍委員說分級醫療就是一個很好的方法我盤點了過去106到113年我們總共是編列了530億\n1401950\t1419903\t花在分級醫療﹚結果呢我們下轉的案件是負成長再來齁從基層醫療到區域醫院到醫學中心就醫的比例是一棟也不動那你們今年還要再編列預算的話如果是用一樣的老方法覺得有效嗎\n1420839\t1424280\t推行分級醫療轉整制度都推行的非常有限那未來我是希望說推行分級醫療\n1443528\t1456060\t這個預算拜託可以真的看到一點點成效好嗎因為過去8年是不動如山我想不只是說分級門診可以減少多少錢不只是這樣子而已應該用更好的一個方式來推\n1456967\t1474643\t這個也是我們希望可以幫邱委員現在當邱部長落實的其實最近在開很多公聽會我們會發現說好癌症性要精心審查裡面有一大部分是拿來做篩檢篩檢呢你就會發現如果你篩檢一半肺癌大腸癌在前期跟篩檢一半是在晚期\n1475143\t1499720\t他後面的醫療支出是天差地遠所以之前邱委員就提出說自費的健康檢查特別扣除額本席也覺得其實可以因為如果你沒有鼓勵大家可以在初期的時候就篩檢出來你背後的費用是更為龐大所以院長可以在這邊拜託您回去跟我們財政部部長一個月內進行這個可行性的研擬嗎\n1502672\t1527025\t這是一個非常值得去研議的一個觀點如果能夠提前篩檢出來比如說我們最近做了一些很多像癌症的篩檢乳癌它可以提前篩檢出來但治療的成效卻不是像我們想像那麼好這可能我們治療的過程當中可能要用新的方式但是總是鼓勵大家能夠提前我們現在最多的肺癌大腸癌這兩項在前期它只要開刀治療的成效非常的好\n1527585\t1528105\t高雄關於觀光教育還有行人安全的\n1544991\t1545151\t相關部會首長請備詢\n1563513\t1563893\t法定人數不足\n1593573\t1610655\t好 這個這一間廁所在沖馬桶另外一間的水會沖到你的屁股還有它這個滴水啊上面下面已經連成一個鐘乳石這樣子的奇景了我真的很希望各位可以花點時間去看看這是我會刊親眼所及啊\n1611115\t1638263\t我聽說教育部在7月的時候又提報了一筆80億的廁所預算聽說行政院9月26拿到審核的結果是不是想知道說80億什麼時候可以讓教育部拿到位因為我們高雄的市政府都已經撥好地方必須要付的福山國小明德國小新甲國小等等的案例都準備好配合的錢只需要教育部行政院一個點頭學校就可以馬上施工而不是讓這些小朋友從念小學一直等到畢業廁所都還沒好\n1639446\t1665394\t跟委員報告過去8年我們投入了83.5億114 115 116 3年我們編列了81希望能夠整建2670間70棟的老舊廁所能夠注意到公共設施或是學校廁所的這個問題都跟我一樣我們都有一種屁啊 潔癖之類的所以這81什麼時候教育部可以拿到我們已經編列了明年預算一通過我們就馬上可以請教育部長來指導\n1666181\t1691306\t是謝謝委員的一個關心：確實上一次委員所關心的學校：那我們也循這一個程序：這一個跟行政院：院長來報告那院長也非常的這一個：覺得這是一個非常重要的：影響到學生的學習品質：所以院長在上個禮拜已經批\n1694079\t1698304\t我更希望他優先用到真正快速趕快需要改善的地方請委員能夠提供\n1712078\t1737177\t謝謝我們接下來請陳部長還有陳主委齁這個連池潭是我們高雄很重要的觀光景點也是這個禮拜風災重創的但是據我所知有一筆這個補助2268元的風景區營造工程啊觀光署對於高雄市提報的預算書圖有意見所以在這邊可不可以特別跟陳部長拜託一下在地方政府修正他的書圖的同時可不可以允許他們同時的工程招標呢\n1738150\t1757816\t報告委員他們預計在10月9號也就是下個禮拜會辦理工程上網招標的公告10月9號就會來進行謝謝部長那我也請陳主委就發揮您的專業可以在他們整個標案設計發包工程建案等等的順暢度可以協助他們好嗎謝謝主委可以\n1759429\t1786509\t謝謝接下來是跟我們劉部長比較相關而且是劉部長非常熟悉的區域啊這個行人安全四年四百億行人安全的這個計畫有很多都是在學校周邊都是劉部長非常熟悉的那我知道說這個第二第三已經獲得公路局通過但是第一個因為跟中央道路無關所以推回給國土署可不可以請劉部長在這邊幫忙我們國土署可以接到這個作為審查的第一順位呢\n1787089\t1788752\t跟委員補充報告\n1800438\t1803159\t10月1號審查第一順位有沒有什麼好消息可以提供給我們\n1828769\t1829230\t陳菁威委員\n","txt":"主席各位官員想請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備選\n謝謝院長 陳委員好院長請看但是我相信你也都知道啦山土耳颱風還有最近這從7月開始的兩個颱風衝擊我們南台灣盛聚在這邊必須要拜託院長全力協助我們災後的重建復原還有損害可以從寬任列\n對 院長您有在網路上看到許多像我們南部的房子臨時的建材在17級的陣風之下抵擋不住所以本席在這邊也接獲了非常多的陳情他在路上不管是騎機車或開車但是會有東西從天而降這種臨時的建材中央對於未來我們風災的因應有沒有什麼解方\n是的 這個昨天一整天在網路在電視新聞上都一再的看到整個屋頂被掀開甚至貨櫃廠的貨櫃一個一個像火柴盒一樣被翻落那這個都是將近17期強風所在來的我覺得這個是過去很少見的一個狀況我們希望從現在開始地方政府也能夠跟市民\n好好的去宣導如何加強整個屋頂那種違建的能夠處理掉那合法房屋能夠把屋頂加強所以也請中央政府可能在災前的會議裡面可以加進這個項目希望他們可以在臨時建材做一些預防性的處理這次這個氣象署跟整個應變中心一直在提醒說南部雨可能沒有像過去那麼大但風一定會很強\n本期執行完之後也要立刻再前往南部也在這邊非常感謝我們的官員還有國軍弟兄警消同仁醫護人員清潔人員還有第一線的救災人員辛苦院長也謝謝大家\n院長講到員警今年7月這個觸目驚心的新聞一位三重的黃姓員警遭獨駕的男子撞死請問具體我們加強的作為為何呢\n類似這樣的案件不只這一件 最近也有另外一件在吐沉我們覺得 原警在執行任務的時候 非常的危險自身的安全 從警政署以下 要好好的再做一個教育任何安全要放在最優先的地位來做思考所以我想內政部跟警政署都以這樣的案例 一再發生深深的引以為戒希望能夠真的要進一步去照顧到安全\n所以我們看到剛剛院長有提到三個月內有兩位員警被同樣的一種毒品叫做Ethomidate所製那第二位更是觸目驚心因為全國的國人有看到他是被脫形了被脫形了數百公尺這樣子的畫面三重的這位員警他有一位小孩只有4歲那這個清水派出所的所長非常優秀他本來是老師\n院長在這邊真的很希望您可以\n趙氏的兇手都已經罰判我們希望能夠速審速判\n內政部有沒有這樣的信息?手頭上的這個資料但是比以往多\n我跟各位報告今年的數據這也是今天早上我最新詢問相關單位今年到現在還沒有過完已經有9位員警自殺離世我們統計過去\n112年以前過去10年加起來是52位所以今年到達9位已經監察院來函要求必須要改善了所以大家看到獨駕把他們脫行的新聞明明出去合法的執法還有像這樣子每個月幾乎都有警察自強又冒上媒體怎麼還會有人願意讓自己的小孩或是家人身陷這樣子的險境\n報告委員我想有幾點第一個我們一定要深自檢討您剛所提到說因公殉職的兩位員警我們在前一陣子在預告之後把因公殉職的條件已經提高了再來就是我有到靈堂去跟他們的父母還有家人致意\n毒蟲所吸用的一坨米子的部分目前為止法務部當然把它列為是三級的毒品\n心理壓力非常大\n衛福部專業\n本席提醒因為醫療專業所以有詢問非常多的毒癮專家\n陳菁徽\n但是呢這個增長的速度有多快去年新北市只有查驗到13件但是今年到6月就暴增到49件而且有發現有兩成是未成年所以這種喪屍的毒品在青少年族群中傳播如何杜絕毒品入校是重中之重\n我也很希望部長還有教育部部長以及這個內政部部長院長你們有時間可以走走到我們鬧區或是到我們各級學校放學的時間你會發現現在的年輕人可能人手一支電子煙雖然電子煙還是違法的拿在手上掛在脖子上未為一種風潮\n那這些第一線的員警也有講到說好這件事是怎麼形成的他們取得這樣子非法的藥品或是毒品他一點點加進他的電子菸他會馬上有飄飄然的這種現象所以對他們來說是一個很便宜的毒品的改造所以他們聚集起來吸毒吸完以後騎機車難免就會發生很這個一害到我們行人安全的現象那我想問說\n為什麼在台灣是一個管制的藥然後甚至你們已經列管成毒品還有這麼多人可以輕易的就可以持有呢我們有什麼具體的作為可以做呢\n報告委員我想是這樣我剛有特別提到我們希望依托彌子有時候在市面上可能叫做喪屍煙彈的部分可以杜絕所以我們現在在上一次兩位殉職員警過後我也非常謝謝新北市的警察局他們在短暫時間內已經先找到這個毒蟲\n竹蟲已經要尋上溯源﹖\n你現在這個藥檢的試劑你有辦法驗出所有的新型毒品嗎當他去盤查的時候有辦法嗎沒有那麼快對沒有辦法所以我希望院長可以協助第一我們要給他武器嘛我們要給他必要的資源還要給他額外的津貼對嗎他是不是應該要有必要的津貼因為他的工作項目越來越繁雜\n我們應該從生活跟勤務各方面來檢討現在工作上遇到的一些工作瓶頸那是不是也可以請院長全權來督導盤點更新他們的氣毒設備並且這個食藥署也應該要加入對於新興毒品各個單位教育部加強的查緝防治可不可以做到呢\n以及校園\n以及校園最後我也想提醒院長這個不只是毒價藥價毒價還有酒價還有藥價其實是越來越嚴重我看到審計部的報告有納入藥價的防治檢討根據推估每年因藥價造成交通事故死亡人數是高達300多人是高過酒價的致死人數所以這邊也請院長檢討現行的道安規則還有處罰條例相關規定好嗎\n如果執法的強度\n或是這個刑責的強度提高有效的來減少這樣的案件的話我想各方的意見我們都會深入的解答我們真的很不希望再看到這樣子的憾事所以我也會針對剛才我提出的5點就一個月再請各位提出報告謝謝兩位部長\n接下來我們要請這個衛福部 邱部長謝謝衛福部呢今年5月14號人工生殖法預告日期已經結束了所以我相信其實在這邊已經有很多委員問過了很多大家引起期盼包括人工生殖包括其他的為什麼行政院還是遲遲都還沒有把最新的版本送進我們立法院呢\n預告的期間已經滿了但是現在各方的意見還相當的多元在繼續的溝通當中我相信立法院其實就代表民意因為大家從各個的各行各業各個選區過來所以如果可以到立法院來做出\n對的 委員部長答覆之前跟委員報告我們也認為在目前這個時代\n整個社會的需求人工生殖法我們應該用正面非常正面積極看它所以我們願意來跟各界做更好的溝通那溝通的細節部長比較清楚好 謝謝好 報告委員那我們供7月31號完成供預告以後那因為意見很多所以我們蒐集的各意見也邀請了醫學護全而且倫理及法醫專家以及相關的社會的部會召開了5次以上的一個會議來討論\n那近視將依法治的程序現在先說現在在衛福部的法規會如果應該在10月底可以報請報到行政院\n這也是這個禮拜以來許許多多醫療院所很擔心的早上我有提到說誰在颱風天出情\n醫師醫護人員醫事人員就是其中之一啊他們不會風雨好醫院所有的維生系統很多是24小時要開的他沒有辦法節能省電他就是要開著另外手術室他要維持低溫才能降低感染率\n陳菁徽\n但是這個禮拜電價審議會的新聞是反反覆覆一下說10月16號以後醫療院所就要漲14%一下又說現在可能你動漲那請問各位對於醫療院所以前我們還有電費的補貼或者是動漲大家對於10月16號之後的態度是如何呢請郭部長說明之前我們認為各位委員報告基本的態度是\n醫療院所不會增加他的負擔那至於他的電費以前是由台電來吸收那未來我們要想用什麼方式來做助理但是原則就是不會增加醫療院所的負擔所以你的意思是說這14%院長會幫我們想辦法請部長來答報告委員我們這一次就是基本上醫療院所就是不漲\n謝謝,謝謝各位今天給我們一個很明確的答案否則全國關心這件事的人要提心吊膽一直要等到10月16號才會有消息啊沒有啦,我們有公告啊昨天大家都在風災當中昨天部長就已經公布了謝謝國務部長\n我覺得已經太多委員問過了所以我也不再多說太多但是上個禮拜因為很多委員真的很擔心您的意志很堅強說一定可以在明年6月前達到0.95但是院長有時候對外受訪又說財政這樣真的有點困難\n當然最近新聞都有看到說我們上次討論要700億才能達成但是編列的預算顯然就沒有到所以今天本席也想要一起幫大家來思考我們有什麼開源節流的方法可以一起協助部長因為部長上禮拜回答陳玉珍委員你說到分級醫療開源節流改善就醫習慣都是您的方針是嗎要多管齊下\n好,報告委員,我想我們真的非常感謝我們行政院,尤其院長、副院長對於我們健康的投資,特別在健保這邊的協助方案是有史以來最高的,我必須要先講清楚,但是\n那要達到說我們所謂的0.95當然還要更多的努力我不是說一定能夠達到我是說我們會盡量努力而且醫療體系真的跟我講他們很感動那個行政院這麼的幫忙所以他們也要自己管理自己嘛譬如說我們做有效的管理當然有效的管理不是隨便的合山那種\n還有整個醫療制度的改變,分級醫療的確實我們等一下也一起來回顧一下,您之前擔任委員,我知道您對於浮動點值、平均點值、攤扣、斷頭其實您都有很多的想法,也質詢過薛睿源部長,我們也稍微看一下這總量成本都不止0.8,財政部給我們的成本就0.8,你可以基層0.81,你可以基層0.1、0.7多少你知道他怎麼經營?\n對,部長您講得很清楚我們現在面對的問題就是\n為了達到目標點子0.92、0.93又開始了您以前講到的斷頭、彈扣這樣子的行為好 距離您之前當委員的時候 知道現在的醫療院所又多了哪些多了通膨 多了電價的調漲 雖然剛剛說可能一度不用多了碳盤查 多了基本工資的調漲 多了護理人員的出走\n發言委員 這個\n攤客或者是斷頭這個都是各區他們自己自主性的一個\n其實健保署等於是跟醫界這邊的簽約是自主管理所以他有不同的方式但套一句您剛剛講的要人家怎麼運營說實在的一群醫護人員他今年開始他的業務他可能沒有辦法預期醫療利用率老齡化的現象或是新型傳染病所以他到他今年的業務結束以後第一他要先看你的浮動點子是多少\n當然我在當立法委員的時候一定是跟議事團體聽他們的心聲然後我們覺得有道理要再爭取\n我們當然就是把他們的意見講出來然後盡量爭取那這段期間其實我們可以看到行政院的還有相關的長官們真的非常努力在希望我們不但要創造\n陳菁徽\n法務部長備詢\n法務部長\n所以呢這個攤扣既然沒有法源的依據也沒有很強烈在所有的健保法相關法規裡面我也想請教法務部部長的意見根據我們釋字443號解釋他是不是有剝奪我們生命限制人民身體自由或者是有這個我們其他自由權利的限制者應該有法律來加以規範了因為他等於是變相把一個應得的酬勞再加出來還給政府這很明顯就是侵害到人民的\n院長我也很希望您回去可以花點時間研究一下當你想要把帳面上做得很漂亮但是你在私底下用了很多的手段讓他的帳面好看其實你沒有辦法\n謝謝委員提醒\n主席\n上禮拜您回應陳玉珍委員說分級醫療就是一個很好的方法我盤點了過去106到113年我們總共是編列了530億\n花在分級醫療﹚結果呢我們下轉的案件是負成長再來齁從基層醫療到區域醫院到醫學中心就醫的比例是一棟也不動那你們今年還要再編列預算的話如果是用一樣的老方法覺得有效嗎\n推行分級醫療轉整制度都推行的非常有限那未來我是希望說推行分級醫療\n這個預算拜託可以真的看到一點點成效好嗎因為過去8年是不動如山我想不只是說分級門診可以減少多少錢不只是這樣子而已應該用更好的一個方式來推\n這個也是我們希望可以幫邱委員現在當邱部長落實的其實最近在開很多公聽會我們會發現說好癌症性要精心審查裡面有一大部分是拿來做篩檢篩檢呢你就會發現如果你篩檢一半肺癌大腸癌在前期跟篩檢一半是在晚期\n他後面的醫療支出是天差地遠所以之前邱委員就提出說自費的健康檢查特別扣除額本席也覺得其實可以因為如果你沒有鼓勵大家可以在初期的時候就篩檢出來你背後的費用是更為龐大所以院長可以在這邊拜託您回去跟我們財政部部長一個月內進行這個可行性的研擬嗎\n這是一個非常值得去研議的一個觀點如果能夠提前篩檢出來比如說我們最近做了一些很多像癌症的篩檢乳癌它可以提前篩檢出來但治療的成效卻不是像我們想像那麼好這可能我們治療的過程當中可能要用新的方式但是總是鼓勵大家能夠提前我們現在最多的肺癌大腸癌這兩項在前期它只要開刀治療的成效非常的好\n高雄關於觀光教育還有行人安全的\n相關部會首長請備詢\n法定人數不足\n好 這個這一間廁所在沖馬桶另外一間的水會沖到你的屁股還有它這個滴水啊上面下面已經連成一個鐘乳石這樣子的奇景了我真的很希望各位可以花點時間去看看這是我會刊親眼所及啊\n我聽說教育部在7月的時候又提報了一筆80億的廁所預算聽說行政院9月26拿到審核的結果是不是想知道說80億什麼時候可以讓教育部拿到位因為我們高雄的市政府都已經撥好地方必須要付的福山國小明德國小新甲國小等等的案例都準備好配合的錢只需要教育部行政院一個點頭學校就可以馬上施工而不是讓這些小朋友從念小學一直等到畢業廁所都還沒好\n跟委員報告過去8年我們投入了83.5億114 115 116 3年我們編列了81希望能夠整建2670間70棟的老舊廁所能夠注意到公共設施或是學校廁所的這個問題都跟我一樣我們都有一種屁啊 潔癖之類的所以這81什麼時候教育部可以拿到我們已經編列了明年預算一通過我們就馬上可以請教育部長來指導\n是謝謝委員的一個關心：確實上一次委員所關心的學校：那我們也循這一個程序：這一個跟行政院：院長來報告那院長也非常的這一個：覺得這是一個非常重要的：影響到學生的學習品質：所以院長在上個禮拜已經批\n我更希望他優先用到真正快速趕快需要改善的地方請委員能夠提供\n謝謝我們接下來請陳部長還有陳主委齁這個連池潭是我們高雄很重要的觀光景點也是這個禮拜風災重創的但是據我所知有一筆這個補助2268元的風景區營造工程啊觀光署對於高雄市提報的預算書圖有意見所以在這邊可不可以特別跟陳部長拜託一下在地方政府修正他的書圖的同時可不可以允許他們同時的工程招標呢\n報告委員他們預計在10月9號也就是下個禮拜會辦理工程上網招標的公告10月9號就會來進行謝謝部長那我也請陳主委就發揮您的專業可以在他們整個標案設計發包工程建案等等的順暢度可以協助他們好嗎謝謝主委可以\n謝謝接下來是跟我們劉部長比較相關而且是劉部長非常熟悉的區域啊這個行人安全四年四百億行人安全的這個計畫有很多都是在學校周邊都是劉部長非常熟悉的那我知道說這個第二第三已經獲得公路局通過但是第一個因為跟中央道路無關所以推回給國土署可不可以請劉部長在這邊幫忙我們國土署可以接到這個作為審查的第一順位呢\n跟委員補充報告\n10月1號審查第一順位有沒有什麼好消息可以提供給我們\n陳菁威委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.915 --> 00:10.980\n主席各位官員想請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備選\n\n00:21.162 --> 00:40.544\n謝謝院長陳委員好院長請看但是我相信你也都知道啦山土耳颱風還有最近這從7月開始的兩個颱風衝擊我們南台灣盛聚在這邊必須要拜託院長全力協助我們災後的重建復原還有損害可以從寬任列\n\n00:41.985 --> 01:05.419\n對院長您有在網路上看到許多像我們南部的房子臨時的建材在17級的陣風之下抵擋不住所以本席在這邊也接獲了非常多的陳情他在路上不管是騎機車或開車但是會有東西從天而降這種臨時的建材中央對於未來我們風災的因應有沒有什麼解方\n\n01:06.346 --> 01:32.068\n是的這個昨天一整天在網路在電視新聞上都一再的看到整個屋頂被掀開甚至貨櫃廠的貨櫃一個一個像火柴盒一樣被翻落那這個都是將近17期強風所在來的我覺得這個是過去很少見的一個狀況我們希望從現在開始地方政府也能夠跟市民\n\n01:32.628 --> 01:56.573\n好好的去宣導如何加強整個屋頂那種違建的能夠處理掉那合法房屋能夠把屋頂加強所以也請中央政府可能在災前的會議裡面可以加進這個項目希望他們可以在臨時建材做一些預防性的處理這次這個氣象署跟整個應變中心一直在提醒說南部雨可能沒有像過去那麼大但風一定會很強\n\n01:57.273 --> 02:02.336\n本期執行完之後也要立刻再前往南部也在這邊非常感謝我們的官員還有國軍弟兄警消同仁醫護人員清潔人員還有第一線的救災人員辛苦院長也謝謝大家\n\n02:18.865 --> 02:20.946\n院長講到員警今年7月這個觸目驚心的新聞一位三重的黃姓員警遭獨駕的男子撞死請問具體我們加強的作為為何呢\n\n02:47.298 --> 03:13.941\n類似這樣的案件不只這一件最近也有另外一件在吐沉我們覺得原警在執行任務的時候非常的危險自身的安全從警政署以下要好好的再做一個教育任何安全要放在最優先的地位來做思考所以我想內政部跟警政署都以這樣的案例一再發生深深的引以為戒希望能夠真的要進一步去照顧到安全\n\n03:15.157 --> 03:43.679\n所以我們看到剛剛院長有提到三個月內有兩位員警被同樣的一種毒品叫做Ethomidate所製那第二位更是觸目驚心因為全國的國人有看到他是被脫形了被脫形了數百公尺這樣子的畫面三重的這位員警他有一位小孩只有4歲那這個清水派出所的所長非常優秀他本來是老師\n\n03:44.820 --> 03:46.461\n院長在這邊真的很希望您可以\n\n04:11.578 --> 04:12.199\n趙氏的兇手都已經罰判我們希望能夠速審速判\n\n04:31.093 --> 04:33.615\n內政部有沒有這樣的信息?手頭上的這個資料但是比以往多\n\n04:59.127 --> 05:11.904\n我跟各位報告今年的數據這也是今天早上我最新詢問相關單位今年到現在還沒有過完已經有9位員警自殺離世我們統計過去\n\n05:15.347 --> 05:41.398\n112年以前過去10年加起來是52位所以今年到達9位已經監察院來函要求必須要改善了所以大家看到獨駕把他們脫行的新聞明明出去合法的執法還有像這樣子每個月幾乎都有警察自強又冒上媒體怎麼還會有人願意讓自己的小孩或是家人身陷這樣子的險境\n\n05:44.360 --> 06:00.271\n報告委員我想有幾點第一個我們一定要深自檢討您剛所提到說因公殉職的兩位員警我們在前一陣子在預告之後把因公殉職的條件已經提高了再來就是我有到靈堂去跟他們的父母還有家人致意\n\n06:00.891 --> 06:02.452\n毒蟲所吸用的一坨米子的部分目前為止法務部當然把它列為是三級的毒品\n\n06:19.804 --> 06:20.024\n心理壓力非常大\n\n06:36.912 --> 06:37.192\n衛福部專業\n\n06:58.493 --> 07:00.615\n本席提醒因為醫療專業所以有詢問非常多的毒癮專家\n\n07:17.506 --> 07:17.546\n陳菁徽\n\n07:47.546 --> 08:07.174\n但是呢這個增長的速度有多快去年新北市只有查驗到13件但是今年到6月就暴增到49件而且有發現有兩成是未成年所以這種喪屍的毒品在青少年族群中傳播如何杜絕毒品入校是重中之重\n\n08:08.254 --> 08:28.057\n我也很希望部長還有教育部部長以及這個內政部部長院長你們有時間可以走走到我們鬧區或是到我們各級學校放學的時間你會發現現在的年輕人可能人手一支電子煙雖然電子煙還是違法的拿在手上掛在脖子上未為一種風潮\n\n08:29.238 --> 08:56.111\n那這些第一線的員警也有講到說好這件事是怎麼形成的他們取得這樣子非法的藥品或是毒品他一點點加進他的電子菸他會馬上有飄飄然的這種現象所以對他們來說是一個很便宜的毒品的改造所以他們聚集起來吸毒吸完以後騎機車難免就會發生很這個一害到我們行人安全的現象那我想問說\n\n08:57.732 --> 09:09.108\n為什麼在台灣是一個管制的藥然後甚至你們已經列管成毒品還有這麼多人可以輕易的就可以持有呢我們有什麼具體的作為可以做呢\n\n09:11.216 --> 09:28.261\n報告委員我想是這樣我剛有特別提到我們希望依托彌子有時候在市面上可能叫做喪屍煙彈的部分可以杜絕所以我們現在在上一次兩位殉職員警過後我也非常謝謝新北市的警察局他們在短暫時間內已經先找到這個毒蟲\n\n09:29.301 --> 09:29.821\n竹蟲已經要尋上溯源﹖\n\n09:59.381 --> 10:21.998\n你現在這個藥檢的試劑你有辦法驗出所有的新型毒品嗎當他去盤查的時候有辦法嗎沒有那麼快對沒有辦法所以我希望院長可以協助第一我們要給他武器嘛我們要給他必要的資源還要給他額外的津貼對嗎他是不是應該要有必要的津貼因為他的工作項目越來越繁雜\n\n10:23.138 --> 10:43.206\n我們應該從生活跟勤務各方面來檢討現在工作上遇到的一些工作瓶頸那是不是也可以請院長全權來督導盤點更新他們的氣毒設備並且這個食藥署也應該要加入對於新興毒品各個單位教育部加強的查緝防治可不可以做到呢\n\n10:43.772 --> 10:44.072\n以及校園\n\n11:03.374 --> 11:25.778\n以及校園最後我也想提醒院長這個不只是毒價藥價毒價還有酒價還有藥價其實是越來越嚴重我看到審計部的報告有納入藥價的防治檢討根據推估每年因藥價造成交通事故死亡人數是高達300多人是高過酒價的致死人數所以這邊也請院長檢討現行的道安規則還有處罰條例相關規定好嗎\n\n11:30.626 --> 11:31.126\n如果執法的強度\n\n11:46.792 --> 12:02.344\n或是這個刑責的強度提高有效的來減少這樣的案件的話我想各方的意見我們都會深入的解答我們真的很不希望再看到這樣子的憾事所以我也會針對剛才我提出的5點就一個月再請各位提出報告謝謝兩位部長\n\n12:04.659 --> 12:27.143\n接下來我們要請這個衛福部邱部長謝謝衛福部呢今年5月14號人工生殖法預告日期已經結束了所以我相信其實在這邊已經有很多委員問過了很多大家引起期盼包括人工生殖包括其他的為什麼行政院還是遲遲都還沒有把最新的版本送進我們立法院呢\n\n12:28.326 --> 12:44.229\n預告的期間已經滿了但是現在各方的意見還相當的多元在繼續的溝通當中我相信立法院其實就代表民意因為大家從各個的各行各業各個選區過來所以如果可以到立法院來做出\n\n12:44.650 --> 12:46.491\n對的委員部長答覆之前跟委員報告我們也認為在目前這個時代\n\n13:06.604 --> 13:34.418\n整個社會的需求人工生殖法我們應該用正面非常正面積極看它所以我們願意來跟各界做更好的溝通那溝通的細節部長比較清楚好謝謝好報告委員那我們供7月31號完成供預告以後那因為意見很多所以我們蒐集的各意見也邀請了醫學護全而且倫理及法醫專家以及相關的社會的部會召開了5次以上的一個會議來討論\n\n13:36.172 --> 13:47.600\n那近視將依法治的程序現在先說現在在衛福部的法規會如果應該在10月底可以報請報到行政院\n\n13:48.328 --> 13:50.429\n這也是這個禮拜以來許許多多醫療院所很擔心的早上我有提到說誰在颱風天出情\n\n14:13.820 --> 14:29.202\n醫師醫護人員醫事人員就是其中之一啊他們不會風雨好醫院所有的維生系統很多是24小時要開的他沒有辦法節能省電他就是要開著另外手術室他要維持低溫才能降低感染率\n\n14:29.462 --> 14:29.502\n陳菁徽\n\n14:45.163 --> 15:04.994\n但是這個禮拜電價審議會的新聞是反反覆覆一下說10月16號以後醫療院所就要漲14%一下又說現在可能你動漲那請問各位對於醫療院所以前我們還有電費的補貼或者是動漲大家對於10月16號之後的態度是如何呢請郭部長說明之前我們認為各位委員報告基本的態度是\n\n15:12.814 --> 15:36.027\n醫療院所不會增加他的負擔那至於他的電費以前是由台電來吸收那未來我們要想用什麼方式來做助理但是原則就是不會增加醫療院所的負擔所以你的意思是說這14%院長會幫我們想辦法請部長來答報告委員我們這一次就是基本上醫療院所就是不漲\n\n15:39.651 --> 15:53.859\n謝謝,謝謝各位今天給我們一個很明確的答案否則全國關心這件事的人要提心吊膽一直要等到10月16號才會有消息啊沒有啦,我們有公告啊昨天大家都在風災當中昨天部長就已經公布了謝謝國務部長\n\n16:01.004 --> 16:18.443\n我覺得已經太多委員問過了所以我也不再多說太多但是上個禮拜因為很多委員真的很擔心您的意志很堅強說一定可以在明年6月前達到0.95但是院長有時候對外受訪又說財政這樣真的有點困難\n\n16:19.344 --> 16:44.430\n當然最近新聞都有看到說我們上次討論要700億才能達成但是編列的預算顯然就沒有到所以今天本席也想要一起幫大家來思考我們有什麼開源節流的方法可以一起協助部長因為部長上禮拜回答陳玉珍委員你說到分級醫療開源節流改善就醫習慣都是您的方針是嗎要多管齊下\n\n16:45.626 --> 16:59.743\n好,報告委員,我想我們真的非常感謝我們行政院,尤其院長、副院長對於我們健康的投資,特別在健保這邊的協助方案是有史以來最高的,我必須要先講清楚,但是\n\n17:02.384 --> 17:23.942\n那要達到說我們所謂的0.95當然還要更多的努力我不是說一定能夠達到我是說我們會盡量努力而且醫療體系真的跟我講他們很感動那個行政院這麼的幫忙所以他們也要自己管理自己嘛譬如說我們做有效的管理當然有效的管理不是隨便的合山那種\n\n17:25.783 --> 17:45.715\n還有整個醫療制度的改變,分級醫療的確實我們等一下也一起來回顧一下,您之前擔任委員,我知道您對於浮動點值、平均點值、攤扣、斷頭其實您都有很多的想法,也質詢過薛睿源部長,我們也稍微看一下這總量成本都不止0.8,財政部給我們的成本就0.8,你可以基層0.81,你可以基層0.1、0.7多少你知道他怎麼經營?\n\n17:51.947 --> 17:55.469\n對,部長您講得很清楚我們現在面對的問題就是\n\n18:19.193 --> 18:42.145\n為了達到目標點子0.92、0.93又開始了您以前講到的斷頭、彈扣這樣子的行為好距離您之前當委員的時候知道現在的醫療院所又多了哪些多了通膨多了電價的調漲雖然剛剛說可能一度不用多了碳盤查多了基本工資的調漲多了護理人員的出走\n\n18:43.587 --> 18:43.687\n發言委員這個\n\n19:13.131 --> 19:18.852\n攤客或者是斷頭這個都是各區他們自己自主性的一個\n\n19:19.952 --> 19:45.297\n其實健保署等於是跟醫界這邊的簽約是自主管理所以他有不同的方式但套一句您剛剛講的要人家怎麼運營說實在的一群醫護人員他今年開始他的業務他可能沒有辦法預期醫療利用率老齡化的現象或是新型傳染病所以他到他今年的業務結束以後第一他要先看你的浮動點子是多少\n\n19:45.657 --> 19:47.478\n當然我在當立法委員的時候一定是跟議事團體聽他們的心聲然後我們覺得有道理要再爭取\n\n20:15.385 --> 20:29.474\n我們當然就是把他們的意見講出來然後盡量爭取那這段期間其實我們可以看到行政院的還有相關的長官們真的非常努力在希望我們不但要創造\n\n20:30.815 --> 20:31.115\n陳菁徽\n\n20:45.720 --> 20:45.820\n法務部長備詢\n\n21:14.947 --> 21:15.108\n法務部長\n\n21:24.016 --> 21:53.090\n所以呢這個攤扣既然沒有法源的依據也沒有很強烈在所有的健保法相關法規裡面我也想請教法務部部長的意見根據我們釋字443號解釋他是不是有剝奪我們生命限制人民身體自由或者是有這個我們其他自由權利的限制者應該有法律來加以規範了因為他等於是變相把一個應得的酬勞再加出來還給政府這很明顯就是侵害到人民的\n\n22:09.801 --> 22:22.429\n院長我也很希望您回去可以花點時間研究一下當你想要把帳面上做得很漂亮但是你在私底下用了很多的手段讓他的帳面好看其實你沒有辦法\n\n22:23.129 --> 22:23.369\n謝謝委員提醒\n\n22:45.202 --> 22:45.402\n主席\n\n23:01.065 --> 23:03.826\n上禮拜您回應陳玉珍委員說分級醫療就是一個很好的方法我盤點了過去106到113年我們總共是編列了530億\n\n23:21.950 --> 23:39.903\n花在分級醫療﹚結果呢我們下轉的案件是負成長再來齁從基層醫療到區域醫院到醫學中心就醫的比例是一棟也不動那你們今年還要再編列預算的話如果是用一樣的老方法覺得有效嗎\n\n23:40.839 --> 23:44.280\n推行分級醫療轉整制度都推行的非常有限那未來我是希望說推行分級醫療\n\n24:03.528 --> 24:16.060\n這個預算拜託可以真的看到一點點成效好嗎因為過去8年是不動如山我想不只是說分級門診可以減少多少錢不只是這樣子而已應該用更好的一個方式來推\n\n24:16.967 --> 24:34.643\n這個也是我們希望可以幫邱委員現在當邱部長落實的其實最近在開很多公聽會我們會發現說好癌症性要精心審查裡面有一大部分是拿來做篩檢篩檢呢你就會發現如果你篩檢一半肺癌大腸癌在前期跟篩檢一半是在晚期\n\n24:35.143 --> 24:59.720\n他後面的醫療支出是天差地遠所以之前邱委員就提出說自費的健康檢查特別扣除額本席也覺得其實可以因為如果你沒有鼓勵大家可以在初期的時候就篩檢出來你背後的費用是更為龐大所以院長可以在這邊拜託您回去跟我們財政部部長一個月內進行這個可行性的研擬嗎\n\n25:02.672 --> 25:27.025\n這是一個非常值得去研議的一個觀點如果能夠提前篩檢出來比如說我們最近做了一些很多像癌症的篩檢乳癌它可以提前篩檢出來但治療的成效卻不是像我們想像那麼好這可能我們治療的過程當中可能要用新的方式但是總是鼓勵大家能夠提前我們現在最多的肺癌大腸癌這兩項在前期它只要開刀治療的成效非常的好\n\n25:27.585 --> 25:28.105\n高雄關於觀光教育還有行人安全的\n\n25:44.991 --> 25:45.151\n相關部會首長請備詢\n\n26:03.513 --> 26:03.893\n法定人數不足\n\n26:33.573 --> 26:50.655\n好這個這一間廁所在沖馬桶另外一間的水會沖到你的屁股還有它這個滴水啊上面下面已經連成一個鐘乳石這樣子的奇景了我真的很希望各位可以花點時間去看看這是我會刊親眼所及啊\n\n26:51.115 --> 27:18.263\n我聽說教育部在7月的時候又提報了一筆80億的廁所預算聽說行政院9月26拿到審核的結果是不是想知道說80億什麼時候可以讓教育部拿到位因為我們高雄的市政府都已經撥好地方必須要付的福山國小明德國小新甲國小等等的案例都準備好配合的錢只需要教育部行政院一個點頭學校就可以馬上施工而不是讓這些小朋友從念小學一直等到畢業廁所都還沒好\n\n27:19.446 --> 27:45.394\n跟委員報告過去8年我們投入了83.5億1141151163年我們編列了81希望能夠整建2670間70棟的老舊廁所能夠注意到公共設施或是學校廁所的這個問題都跟我一樣我們都有一種屁啊潔癖之類的所以這81什麼時候教育部可以拿到我們已經編列了明年預算一通過我們就馬上可以請教育部長來指導\n\n27:46.181 --> 28:11.306\n是謝謝委員的一個關心：確實上一次委員所關心的學校：那我們也循這一個程序：這一個跟行政院：院長來報告那院長也非常的這一個：覺得這是一個非常重要的：影響到學生的學習品質：所以院長在上個禮拜已經批\n\n28:14.079 --> 28:18.304\n我更希望他優先用到真正快速趕快需要改善的地方請委員能夠提供\n\n28:32.078 --> 28:57.177\n謝謝我們接下來請陳部長還有陳主委齁這個連池潭是我們高雄很重要的觀光景點也是這個禮拜風災重創的但是據我所知有一筆這個補助2268元的風景區營造工程啊觀光署對於高雄市提報的預算書圖有意見所以在這邊可不可以特別跟陳部長拜託一下在地方政府修正他的書圖的同時可不可以允許他們同時的工程招標呢\n\n28:58.150 --> 29:17.816\n報告委員他們預計在10月9號也就是下個禮拜會辦理工程上網招標的公告10月9號就會來進行謝謝部長那我也請陳主委就發揮您的專業可以在他們整個標案設計發包工程建案等等的順暢度可以協助他們好嗎謝謝主委可以\n\n29:19.429 --> 29:46.509\n謝謝接下來是跟我們劉部長比較相關而且是劉部長非常熟悉的區域啊這個行人安全四年四百億行人安全的這個計畫有很多都是在學校周邊都是劉部長非常熟悉的那我知道說這個第二第三已經獲得公路局通過但是第一個因為跟中央道路無關所以推回給國土署可不可以請劉部長在這邊幫忙我們國土署可以接到這個作為審查的第一順位呢\n\n29:47.089 --> 29:48.752\n跟委員補充報告\n\n30:00.438 --> 30:03.159\n10月1號審查第一順位有沒有什麼好消息可以提供給我們\n\n30:28.769 --> 30:29.230\n陳菁威委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.915,"end":10.98,"text":"主席各位官員想請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備選"},{"start":21.162,"end":40.544,"text":"謝謝院長 陳委員好院長請看但是我相信你也都知道啦山土耳颱風還有最近這從7月開始的兩個颱風衝擊我們南台灣盛聚在這邊必須要拜託院長全力協助我們災後的重建復原還有損害可以從寬任列"},{"start":41.985,"end":65.419,"text":"對 院長您有在網路上看到許多像我們南部的房子臨時的建材在17級的陣風之下抵擋不住所以本席在這邊也接獲了非常多的陳情他在路上不管是騎機車或開車但是會有東西從天而降這種臨時的建材中央對於未來我們風災的因應有沒有什麼解方"},{"start":66.346,"end":92.068,"text":"是的 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報告委員那我們供7月31號完成供預告以後那因為意見很多所以我們蒐集的各意見也邀請了醫學護全而且倫理及法醫專家以及相關的社會的部會召開了5次以上的一個會議來討論"},{"start":816.172,"end":827.6,"text":"那近視將依法治的程序現在先說現在在衛福部的法規會如果應該在10月底可以報請報到行政院"},{"start":828.328,"end":830.429,"text":"這也是這個禮拜以來許許多多醫療院所很擔心的早上我有提到說誰在颱風天出情"},{"start":853.82,"end":869.202,"text":"醫師醫護人員醫事人員就是其中之一啊他們不會風雨好醫院所有的維生系統很多是24小時要開的他沒有辦法節能省電他就是要開著另外手術室他要維持低溫才能降低感染率"},{"start":869.462,"end":869.502,"text":"陳菁徽"},{"start":885.163,"end":904.994,"text":"但是這個禮拜電價審議會的新聞是反反覆覆一下說10月16號以後醫療院所就要漲14%一下又說現在可能你動漲那請問各位對於醫療院所以前我們還有電費的補貼或者是動漲大家對於10月16號之後的態度是如何呢請郭部長說明之前我們認為各位委員報告基本的態度是"},{"start":912.814,"end":936.027,"text":"醫療院所不會增加他的負擔那至於他的電費以前是由台電來吸收那未來我們要想用什麼方式來做助理但是原則就是不會增加醫療院所的負擔所以你的意思是說這14%院長會幫我們想辦法請部長來答報告委員我們這一次就是基本上醫療院所就是不漲"},{"start":939.651,"end":953.859,"text":"謝謝,謝謝各位今天給我們一個很明確的答案否則全國關心這件事的人要提心吊膽一直要等到10月16號才會有消息啊沒有啦,我們有公告啊昨天大家都在風災當中昨天部長就已經公布了謝謝國務部長"},{"start":961.004,"end":978.443,"text":"我覺得已經太多委員問過了所以我也不再多說太多但是上個禮拜因為很多委員真的很擔心您的意志很堅強說一定可以在明年6月前達到0.95但是院長有時候對外受訪又說財政這樣真的有點困難"},{"start":979.344,"end":1004.43,"text":"當然最近新聞都有看到說我們上次討論要700億才能達成但是編列的預算顯然就沒有到所以今天本席也想要一起幫大家來思考我們有什麼開源節流的方法可以一起協助部長因為部長上禮拜回答陳玉珍委員你說到分級醫療開源節流改善就醫習慣都是您的方針是嗎要多管齊下"},{"start":1005.626,"end":1019.743,"text":"好,報告委員,我想我們真的非常感謝我們行政院,尤其院長、副院長對於我們健康的投資,特別在健保這邊的協助方案是有史以來最高的,我必須要先講清楚,但是"},{"start":1022.384,"end":1043.942,"text":"那要達到說我們所謂的0.95當然還要更多的努力我不是說一定能夠達到我是說我們會盡量努力而且醫療體系真的跟我講他們很感動那個行政院這麼的幫忙所以他們也要自己管理自己嘛譬如說我們做有效的管理當然有效的管理不是隨便的合山那種"},{"start":1045.783,"end":1065.715,"text":"還有整個醫療制度的改變,分級醫療的確實我們等一下也一起來回顧一下,您之前擔任委員,我知道您對於浮動點值、平均點值、攤扣、斷頭其實您都有很多的想法,也質詢過薛睿源部長,我們也稍微看一下這總量成本都不止0.8,財政部給我們的成本就0.8,你可以基層0.81,你可以基層0.1、0.7多少你知道他怎麼經營?"},{"start":1071.947,"end":1075.469,"text":"對,部長您講得很清楚我們現在面對的問題就是"},{"start":1099.193,"end":1122.145,"text":"為了達到目標點子0.92、0.93又開始了您以前講到的斷頭、彈扣這樣子的行為好 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這個"},{"start":1153.131,"end":1158.852,"text":"攤客或者是斷頭這個都是各區他們自己自主性的一個"},{"start":1159.952,"end":1185.297,"text":"其實健保署等於是跟醫界這邊的簽約是自主管理所以他有不同的方式但套一句您剛剛講的要人家怎麼運營說實在的一群醫護人員他今年開始他的業務他可能沒有辦法預期醫療利用率老齡化的現象或是新型傳染病所以他到他今年的業務結束以後第一他要先看你的浮動點子是多少"},{"start":1185.657,"end":1187.478,"text":"當然我在當立法委員的時候一定是跟議事團體聽他們的心聲然後我們覺得有道理要再爭取"},{"start":1215.385,"end":1229.474,"text":"我們當然就是把他們的意見講出來然後盡量爭取那這段期間其實我們可以看到行政院的還有相關的長官們真的非常努力在希望我們不但要創造"},{"start":1230.815,"end":1231.115,"text":"陳菁徽"},{"start":1245.72,"end":1245.82,"text":"法務部長備詢"},{"start":1274.947,"end":1275.108,"text":"法務部長"},{"start":1284.016,"end":1313.09,"text":"所以呢這個攤扣既然沒有法源的依據也沒有很強烈在所有的健保法相關法規裡面我也想請教法務部部長的意見根據我們釋字443號解釋他是不是有剝奪我們生命限制人民身體自由或者是有這個我們其他自由權利的限制者應該有法律來加以規範了因為他等於是變相把一個應得的酬勞再加出來還給政府這很明顯就是侵害到人民的"},{"start":1329.801,"end":1342.429,"text":"院長我也很希望您回去可以花點時間研究一下當你想要把帳面上做得很漂亮但是你在私底下用了很多的手段讓他的帳面好看其實你沒有辦法"},{"start":1343.129,"end":1343.369,"text":"謝謝委員提醒"},{"start":1365.202,"end":1365.402,"text":"主席"},{"start":1381.065,"end":1383.826,"text":"上禮拜您回應陳玉珍委員說分級醫療就是一個很好的方法我盤點了過去106到113年我們總共是編列了530億"},{"start":1401.95,"end":1419.903,"text":"花在分級醫療﹚結果呢我們下轉的案件是負成長再來齁從基層醫療到區域醫院到醫學中心就醫的比例是一棟也不動那你們今年還要再編列預算的話如果是用一樣的老方法覺得有效嗎"},{"start":1420.839,"end":1424.28,"text":"推行分級醫療轉整制度都推行的非常有限那未來我是希望說推行分級醫療"},{"start":1443.528,"end":1456.06,"text":"這個預算拜託可以真的看到一點點成效好嗎因為過去8年是不動如山我想不只是說分級門診可以減少多少錢不只是這樣子而已應該用更好的一個方式來推"},{"start":1456.967,"end":1474.643,"text":"這個也是我們希望可以幫邱委員現在當邱部長落實的其實最近在開很多公聽會我們會發現說好癌症性要精心審查裡面有一大部分是拿來做篩檢篩檢呢你就會發現如果你篩檢一半肺癌大腸癌在前期跟篩檢一半是在晚期"},{"start":1475.143,"end":1499.72,"text":"他後面的醫療支出是天差地遠所以之前邱委員就提出說自費的健康檢查特別扣除額本席也覺得其實可以因為如果你沒有鼓勵大家可以在初期的時候就篩檢出來你背後的費用是更為龐大所以院長可以在這邊拜託您回去跟我們財政部部長一個月內進行這個可行性的研擬嗎"},{"start":1502.672,"end":1527.025,"text":"這是一個非常值得去研議的一個觀點如果能夠提前篩檢出來比如說我們最近做了一些很多像癌症的篩檢乳癌它可以提前篩檢出來但治療的成效卻不是像我們想像那麼好這可能我們治療的過程當中可能要用新的方式但是總是鼓勵大家能夠提前我們現在最多的肺癌大腸癌這兩項在前期它只要開刀治療的成效非常的好"},{"start":1527.585,"end":1528.105,"text":"高雄關於觀光教育還有行人安全的"},{"start":1544.991,"end":1545.151,"text":"相關部會首長請備詢"},{"start":1563.513,"end":1563.893,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":1593.573,"end":1610.655,"text":"好 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潔癖之類的所以這81什麼時候教育部可以拿到我們已經編列了明年預算一通過我們就馬上可以請教育部長來指導"},{"start":1666.181,"end":1691.306,"text":"是謝謝委員的一個關心：確實上一次委員所關心的學校：那我們也循這一個程序：這一個跟行政院：院長來報告那院長也非常的這一個：覺得這是一個非常重要的：影響到學生的學習品質：所以院長在上個禮拜已經批"},{"start":1694.079,"end":1698.304,"text":"我更希望他優先用到真正快速趕快需要改善的地方請委員能夠提供"},{"start":1712.078,"end":1737.177,"text":"謝謝我們接下來請陳部長還有陳主委齁這個連池潭是我們高雄很重要的觀光景點也是這個禮拜風災重創的但是據我所知有一筆這個補助2268元的風景區營造工程啊觀光署對於高雄市提報的預算書圖有意見所以在這邊可不可以特別跟陳部長拜託一下在地方政府修正他的書圖的同時可不可以允許他們同時的工程招標呢"},{"start":1738.15,"end":1757.816,"text":"報告委員他們預計在10月9號也就是下個禮拜會辦理工程上網招標的公告10月9號就會來進行謝謝部長那我也請陳主委就發揮您的專業可以在他們整個標案設計發包工程建案等等的順暢度可以協助他們好嗎謝謝主委可以"},{"start":1759.429,"end":1786.509,"text":"謝謝接下來是跟我們劉部長比較相關而且是劉部長非常熟悉的區域啊這個行人安全四年四百億行人安全的這個計畫有很多都是在學校周邊都是劉部長非常熟悉的那我知道說這個第二第三已經獲得公路局通過但是第一個因為跟中央道路無關所以推回給國土署可不可以請劉部長在這邊幫忙我們國土署可以接到這個作為審查的第一順位呢"},{"start":1787.089,"end":1788.752,"text":"跟委員補充報告"},{"start":1800.438,"end":1803.159,"text":"10月1號審查第一順位有沒有什麼好消息可以提供給我們"},{"start":1828.769,"end":1829.23,"text":"陳菁威委員"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":3,"tmpMeeting":null,"term":11,"id":"院會-11-2-3","title":"第11屆第2會期第3次會議","type":"院會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-04T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"14:30:46 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15:01:33","會議名稱":"第11屆第2會期第3次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢）","id":155061,"gazette":{"lineno":2,"blocks":[["陳委員菁徽：（14時30分）主席、各位官員，想請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員菁徽：院長請看，我相信你也都知道，山陀兒颱風還有最近從7月開始的兩個颱風衝擊南臺灣甚鉅，在這邊必須要拜託院長全力協助我們災後的重建復原，還有損害可以從寬認列。院長，你有在網路上看到許多像南部房子臨時的建材，在17級陣風之下抵擋不住，所以本席在這邊也接獲了非常多的陳情，他在路上不管是騎機車或開車，都會有臨時的建材、東西從天而降，中央對於未來我們風災的因應有沒有什麼解方？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。昨天一整天在網路、在電視新聞上都一再看到整個屋頂被掀開，甚至貨櫃場的貨櫃一個一個像火柴盒一樣被翻落，這個都是將近17級強風所帶來的，我覺得這是過去很少見的一個狀況。"],["陳委員菁徽：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們希望從現在開始，地方政府也能夠跟市民好好地去宣導……"],["陳委員菁徽：宣導。"],["卓院長榮泰：如何加強整個屋頂，將違建的部分能夠處理掉，讓合法房屋能夠把屋頂加強。"],["陳委員菁徽：也請中央政府可能在災前的會議裡面，可以加進這個項目……"],["卓院長榮泰：有！"],["陳委員菁徽：希望他們可以對臨時建材做一些預防性的處理，以免在……"],["卓院長榮泰：這次氣象署跟應變中心一直在提醒，南部的雨可能沒有像過去那麼大，但風一定會很強，包括電力受損的部分一定要提前加強，結果事實也證明了，現在電力還沒有完全恢復，民宅的部分更是嚴重。"],["陳委員菁徽：是，對！本席質詢完之後，也要立刻再前往南部，也在這邊非常感謝我們的官員，還有國軍弟兄、警消同仁、醫護人員、清潔人員及第一線的救災人員，辛苦院長，也謝謝大家！"],["卓院長榮泰：對，我們一直在安排，甚至我本來想今天晚上就下去，但怕影響到大家。"],["陳委員菁徽：是！"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我可能明天會一整天安排屏東、高雄，如果時間安排上可以的話，一定到現場去看，馬上給予任何的協助。"],["陳委員菁徽：對，需要院長關心我們，謝謝！","院長講到員警，今年7月一則怵目驚心的新聞，一位三重的黃姓員警遭毒駕男子撞死，請問具體我們加強的作為為何呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：類似這樣的案件不只這一件，最近也有另外一件在土城。"],["陳委員菁徽：是，對。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們覺得員警在執行任務的時候非常危險，自身安全從警政署以下要好好地再做一個教育，安全要放在最優先的地位來做思考，所以我想內政部跟警政署都會以這樣的案例一再發生，深深地引以為戒，希望真的能夠進一步去照顧到安全。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以我們看到，剛剛院長有提到三個月內有兩位員警被同樣的一種毒品叫作Etomidate所致，第二位更是怵目驚心，因為全國國人有看到他被拖行了數百公尺這樣子的畫面。","（播放影片）"],["陳委員菁徽：三重的這位員警，他有一位小孩只有四歲；清水派出所的所長非常優秀，他本來是老師，但追隨家庭，所以從事警察工作，他的小孩是四歲跟一歲；像這樣子的毒蟲是把我們整個國家的司法體系、警察體系一路拖行，還有他們一整家人白髮人送黑髮人，甚至小孩一歲、四歲晚上是看不到爸爸，全部被拖行在地上輾壓，院長，在這邊真的很希望您可以強硬起來，還有跟部長也一樣強硬起來，我們對於這樣子的毒駕、毒品罪犯不能肆無忌憚，讓全民更不信任司法。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，肇事的兇手都已經法辦，我們希望能夠速審速辦。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，因為很傷心的是，他許許多多的親友到靈堂是告訴他說，希望你來生不要再當警察。身為我們公務人員的大家長，在這邊本席也要請您關注另外一個議題，院長，您知道今年還沒過完，我們統計有多少的員警自殺離開人世嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們可以再把這個數字跟委員報告。"],["陳委員菁徽：我跟各位報告今年的數據，這也是今天早上我最新詢問相關單位，今年到現在還沒有過完，已經有9位員警自殺離世，我們統計112年以前，過去10年加起來是52位，所以今年到達9位，監察院已經來函要求必須要改善了，所以大家看到毒駕把他們拖行的新聞，明明出去合法地執法，還有像這樣子每個月幾乎都有警察自戕又冒上媒體，怎麼還會有人願意讓自己的小孩或是家人深陷這樣子的險境？"],["劉部長世芳：報告委員，我想有幾點，第一個、我們一定要深思檢討，您剛剛所提到說因公殉職的2位員警，我們在前一陣子的預告之後，把因公殉職的條件已經提高了。再來就是我也到靈堂去跟他們的父母還有家人致意。再來就是說他的遺孀，未來如果有家庭工作需要支持的話，我們一定全力來支助。再來大概員警都有特別提到，除了現行犯抓到之後，我們認為這個毒蟲他們所吸用的依托咪酯的部分，目前為止，法務部當然把它列為是三級的毒品，可是我們很多警務同仁會認為說，是不是可以把它升級成二級的毒品，這樣子未來在司法體系上面，比較容易可以針對毒駕或者是毒癮的部分做比較完善的一個措施。那您剛剛所提到了所謂的警察在過去一段時間裡面……"],["陳委員菁徽：心理壓力非常大。"],["劉部長世芳：可能有自戕的傾向，第一個，有的是創傷症候群，那另外一個就是說我們在處理的時候，我們現在已經請專家跟學者來幫忙，不管是團體性的諮商或者是個別的諮商，他們所需要的經費全部由警政署來全力負擔。"],["陳委員菁徽：我也希望您可以提早預防，比如說跟衛福部專業的人士結合……"],["劉部長世芳：有。"],["陳委員菁徽：然後我們可以提早偵察出可能有這樣子傾向、有憂鬱傾向的員警，事先來做預防好嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：有，我們現在的次數跟去年比起來已經增加到一倍半以上了。"],["陳委員菁徽：講到剛剛的毒品防制，本席在這邊提醒，因為醫療專業，所以有詢問非常多的毒癮專家，其實臺灣對於吸毒的比例並沒有特別在近幾年急速地升高，但是我們有一個特點，也就是說新興毒品是推陳出新，因此，各位執法人員、各位主管機關，你們去抓的速度遠遠趕不上他們更新的速度，所以您剛剛提到Etomidate這個毒品，其實在醫學上是我們插管的時候用的，短暫讓病人感到茫茫的、「馬西馬西」，然後把插管放進去，他不會反抗或者是疼痛，但是這個增長的速度有多快？去年新北市只有查驗到13件，但是今年到6月就暴增到49件，而且發現有2成是未成年，所以這種喪屍的毒品在青少年族群中傳播，如何杜絕毒品入校是重中之重。我也很希望部長，還有教育部部長以及內政部部長、院長，你們有時間可以走走到我們鬧區或是到我們各級學校放學的時間，你會發現現在的年輕人可能人手一支電子煙，雖然電子煙還是違法的，拿在手上、掛在脖子上，蔚為一種風潮。這些第一線的員警也有講到說這件事是怎麼形成的，他們取得這樣子非法的藥品或是毒品，他一點點加進他的電子煙，他會馬上有飄飄然的這種現象，所以對他們來說是一個很便宜的毒品的改造嘛！所以他們聚集起來吸毒，吸完以後騎機車，難免就會發生貽害到我們行人安全的現象，那我想問說，為什麼在臺灣是一個管制的藥，甚至你們已經列管成毒品，還有這麼多人可以輕易地持有呢？我們有什麼具體的作為可以做呢？"],["劉部長世芳：報告委員，我想是這樣，我剛剛有特別提到，依托咪酯有時候在市面上可能叫做喪屍煙彈的部分，我們希望可以杜絕，現在在上一次兩位員警殉職後，我也非常謝謝新北市警察局，他們在短暫時間內已經先找到這個毒蟲，那這個毒蟲已經要循上溯源，我們也不排除在銷售這種毒品的部分是否有幫派介入校園裡面，但是這個都需要有長時間來佈線。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以希望你們第一，本席希望可以儘快從源頭去清查……"],["劉部長世芳：是的。"],["陳委員菁徽：並且禁止再從國外走私入境。再來，也希望院長可以幫忙，我們是不是可以提供第一線警察最必要的資源？這個資源比如說，他現在的工作項目越來越多了，他又要抓酒駕，又要抓藥駕，現在藥檢試劑有辦法驗出所有的新興毒品嗎？當他去盤查的時候有辦法嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：沒有那麼快。"],["陳委員菁徽：對，沒有辦法，所以我希望院長可以協助，第一，我們要給他武器，我們要給他必要的資源，還有給他額外的津貼，對嗎？因為他的工作項目越來越繁雜，他是不是應該要有必要的津貼？"],["卓院長榮泰：對，我們應該從生活跟勤務各方面來檢討員警現在工作上遇到的一些工作瓶頸。"],["陳委員菁徽：那是不是也可以請院長全權來督導、盤點、更新他們的緝毒設備，並且食藥署也應該要加入，對於新興毒品，各個單位、教育部加強查緝防制，可不可以做到呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我們在歷次的治安會報跟相關會議當中，都對新興毒品的加速審定能夠進一步加速在做……"],["陳委員菁徽：是，但你要給他武器。"],["卓院長榮泰：對，審定之後，我們就必須讓員警在執行過程中如何發現這個現在是違禁物品，所以這個過程當中，一定要配合得上來。"],["陳委員菁徽：以及校園。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：最後，我也想提醒院長，不只是毒駕、酒駕，還有藥駕其實越來越嚴重，我看到審計部的報告有納入藥駕的防制檢討，根據推估每年因藥駕造成交通事故死亡人數高達三百多人，高過酒駕致死人數，所以這邊也請院長檢討現行的道安規則，還有處罰條例相關規定，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的。"],["陳委員菁徽：否則第一線員警的安全真的很堪慮，他們面對的是不同的危險，並且他們執法工具沒有配備任何檢驗工具，讓他們去發現這個人到底是藥駕或者是毒駕。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，如果執法的強度或是刑責強度的提高，有效地來減少這樣的案件的話，我想各方的意見，我們都會慎重考量。"],["陳委員菁徽：我們真的很不希望再看到這樣子的憾事，所以我也會針對剛才我提出的五點，再請各位於一個月內提出報告，謝謝兩位部長。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["陳委員菁徽：接下來我們要請衛福部邱部長，謝謝。衛福部今年5月14號人工生殖法預告日期已經結束了，所以我相信其實在這邊已經有很多委員問過了，很多大家引頸期盼，包括人工生殖，包括其他的，為什麼行政院遲遲都還沒有把最新版本送進立法院呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：預告期間已經滿了，但是現在各方的意見還相當多元，對於人工生殖，還在繼續溝通當中。"],["陳委員菁徽：我相信立法院其實就代表民意嘛！因為大家從各行各業、各個選區過來，所以如果可以到立法院來做出最適合全國人民的人工生殖法修法，其實也更好。因為已經討論二、三十年了，從賴總統之前當賴委員的時候就已經提過，尤其在醫學如此進步的今天，我們應該用更積極的態度，還有更寬廣的心胸面對，是嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：對的，委員，部長答復之前，跟委員報告，我們也認為在目前這個時代，整個社會的需求，人工生殖法我們應該用非常正面積極看待，所以我們願意跟各界做更好的溝通，溝通的細節，部長比較清楚。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我們7月31號完成預告以後，因為意見很多，所以我們蒐集各個意見，也邀請了醫學、婦權、兒權、倫理及法律專家，以及相關社福部會，召開了5次以上的會議來討論，將儘速依法制程序，現在在衛福部法規會，應該在10月底可以報到行政院。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝。我們真的很期待新的版本可以送到立法院來，讓我們對未來更多元共榮的臺灣社會有好的幫助、正向的幫助，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，我會請衛福部依照剛剛這個時程一定要完成送來。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，感謝。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：再來，這也是這個禮拜以來許許多多醫療院所很擔心的，早上我有提到誰在颱風天出勤，醫師、醫護人員、醫事人員就是其中之一，他們不畏風雨，醫院所有維生系統很多是24小時要開著的，它沒有辦法節能省電，它就是要開著；另外，手術室要維持低溫才能降低感染率，所以它的空調也必須要運營。我知道部長其實很好啦，部長之前有為了我們的碳盤查發聲，你知道我們的人力也不足以再應付碳盤查、碳費等等，所以有稍微為我們發聲，這個本席也非常地感動。但是這個禮拜電價審議會的新聞是反反覆覆，一下說10月16號以後醫療院所就要漲14%，一下又說現在可能擬凍漲，以前還有電費的補貼或是凍漲，請問各位對於醫療院所的部分10月16號之後的態度是如何呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：請郭部長說明之前，跟委員報告，基本的態度是醫療院所的部分，不會增加它的負擔，至於它的電費，以前是由台電來吸收，未來我們要想想用什麼方式來做處理，但是原則就是不會增加醫療院所的負擔。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以你的意思是說這14%，院長會幫我們想辦法？"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長來答復。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們這一次基本上醫療院所就是不漲。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝，謝謝各位今天給我們一個很明確的答案，否則全國關心這件事的人要提心吊膽，一直要等到10月16號才會有消息。"],["卓院長榮泰：不會，這個……"],["郭部長智輝：沒有啦，我們有公告。"],["卓院長榮泰：昨天大家都在風災當中去……"],["陳委員菁徽：沒有，剛剛有說要等到10月16號的開會……"],["卓院長榮泰：昨天部長就已經公布了。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝郭部長。","邱部長，這個我覺得已經太多委員問過了，所以我也不再多說太多，但是上個禮拜因為很多委員真的很擔心，您的意志很堅強，說一定可以在明年6月前達到0.95，但是院長有時候對外受訪又說財政上真的有點困難。當然最近都有看到新聞說上次討論是要700億才能達成嘛，但是編列的預算顯然就沒有到，所以今天本席也想要一起幫大家來思考我們有什麼開源節流的方法可以協助部長，因為部長上禮拜回答陳玉珍委員，你說到分級醫療、開源節流、改善就醫習慣，都是您的方針，是嗎？要多管齊下。"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我們真的非常感謝行政院，尤其院長、副院長對於我們健康的投資，特別在健保這部分的協助方案是有史以來最高的，我必須要先講清楚。但是要達到0.95，當然還要更多的努力，我不是說一定能夠達到，我是說我們會儘量努力，而且醫療體系真的跟我講他們也很感動行政院這麼地幫忙，所以他們也要自己管理自己。譬如說我們做有效的管理，當然有效管理不是隨便核刪，還有整個醫療制度的改變、分級醫療的確實。"],["陳委員菁徽：對，我們等一下也一起來回顧一下。您之前擔任委員，我知道您對於浮動點值、平均點值、攤扣、斷頭，其實你都有很多的想法，也質詢過薛瑞元部長，我們也稍微看一下。","（播放影片）"],["陳委員菁徽：對，部長，您講得很清楚，我們現在面對的問題就是為了達到目標點值0.92、0.93，又開始了您以前講到的斷頭、攤扣這樣的行為。距離您之前當委員的時候，知道現在的醫療院所又多了哪些？多了通膨、多了電價的調漲，雖然剛剛說可能一度不用，多了碳盤查、多了基本工資的調漲、多了護理人員的出走。所以我們來看，這是今年第二季、第三季，北區只有0.85，但是為了達到0.92、0.93等等目標值，北區一年要攤扣將近七、八十億啊！聽說這是立法院的主決議，所以衛福部直接要求要攤扣更多，可以達到0.95，這些都有記錄在健保會議的紀錄當中，您知道這件事嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，攤扣或者斷頭都是各區他們自己自主性的一個……其實等於是健保署跟醫界這邊的簽約，有的是自主管理嘛，所以他有不同的方式。"],["陳委員菁徽：是，但套一句您剛剛講的：要人家怎麼運營？說實在的，一群醫護人員今年開始他的業務，他可能沒有辦法預期醫療利用率、老齡化的現象或是新興傳染病，所以他到今年的業務結束以後，第一，他要先看你的浮動點值是多少；第二，他有可能要被攤扣；第三，他有可能被嚴審；第四，他有可能還要負擔其他現在多出來、以前沒有的成本。所以對他來說，他真的沒有辦法運營下去，您之前講得很有道理，在斷頭前浮動點值要達到0.9，您覺得是很必要的呀！"],["邱部長泰源：當然我在當立法委員的時候，一定是聽醫事團體的心聲，如果我覺得有道理要來爭取，當然就是把他們的意見講出來，然後儘量爭取。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，我們也……"],["邱部長泰源：這段期間其實我們也可以看到行政院還有相關的長官們真的非常努力，希望我們不但要創造點值、更要創造健保的價值，所以也用「健康台灣」讓我們很尊嚴地去從事很多很多我們要做的工作，而在這當中，無形中就能夠提升一定的點值。"],["陳委員菁徽：關於攤扣、嚴審兩個比起來，我也想知道法務部部長的意見，不管是健保法或者是「全民健康保險醫療費用申報與核付及醫療服務審查辦法」第二十二條，裡面都沒有講到「攤扣」這個名詞，大概就針對樣品審查、案件分析、點數核減等等，而且有法源依據的就是專業核刪，專業核刪還有救濟，還可以申訴喔，我還可以申訴說為什麼我要這樣子做……"],["主席：陳委員，我打岔一下，要不要法務部長備詢？"],["陳委員菁徽：對。"],["主席：你點到法務部長。"],["陳委員菁徽：是，謝謝。"],["主席：請法務部長備詢。對不起呀！"],["陳委員菁徽：所以攤扣既然沒有法源的依據，也沒有詳列在所有的健保法相關法規裡面，我也想請教法務部部長的意見，根據釋字第443號解釋，它是不是有剝奪生命、限制人民身體自由或者有其他自由權利限制者，而應該由法律來加以規範？因為它等於是變相把一個應得的酬勞再交出來還給政府，這很明顯就是侵害到人民的財產權！"],["鄭部長銘謙：跟委員報告，限制人民的自由權利必須要法律的位階來限制。"],["陳委員菁徽：是，這邊還有講到侵害人民的財產權。"],["鄭部長銘謙：自由權利這個就是財產權。"],["陳委員菁徽：好。院長，我也很希望您回去可以花點時間研究一下，當你想要把帳面上做得很漂亮，但是你在私底下用了很多的手段讓它的帳面好看，其實你沒有辦法達成你的「健康台灣」、也沒有辦法達成社會防衛韌性委員會，因為這其中很大的一塊都是醫護人員在默默的奉獻，也太多委員講過了，跟OECD國家比起來，我們的健康投資就是很少的啦！所以未來跟你對國家的願景真的是息息相關，希望你可以特別重視這樣子的問題，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員提醒，我絕對不願意只做一個帳面上漂亮的數字，今年我們在總額預算當中，如果用最高來算已經達到九千多億，比起過去我們增加了712億，增加的這個錢會做有效的運用，如果能夠有效運用的話，我相信有助於點值。"],["陳委員菁徽：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：當中光是「健康台灣」，在這裡面就有607億的錢。"],["陳委員菁徽：有兩點我也想要點出來，第一個我快速地講到，上禮拜您回應陳玉珍委員說，分級醫療就是一個很好的方法，我盤點了過去106到113年，我們總共編列了530億花在分級醫療，結果呢？我們下轉的案件是負成長；再來從基層醫療到區域醫院、到醫學中心就醫的比例是一動也不動！那你們今年還要再編列預算的話，如果是用一樣的老方法，覺得有效嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我一直認為國人受健保的制度保障了30年，現在我們回頭如何來保障健保這個制度的時代來了，30年累積下來，國人在醫療的習慣上面，推行分級醫療、轉診制度都推行的非常有限，未來我希望真的能夠……"],["陳委員菁徽：對，今年又編列了推行分級醫療的預算……"],["卓院長榮泰：要用新的方式來推！"],["陳委員菁徽：拜託！可以真的看到一點點成效，好嗎？因為過去八年是不動如山啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：是，我想不只是分級門診可以減少多少錢，不只是這樣子而已，應該用更好的一個方式來推。"],["陳委員菁徽：這個也是我們希望可以幫邱委員、現在邱部長落實的，其實最近在開很多公聽會，我們會發現癌症新藥基金審查，裡面有一大部分是拿來做篩檢，你就會發現，如果篩檢一半肺癌、大腸癌在前期，跟篩檢一半是在晚期，後面的醫療支出是天差地遠，所以之前邱委員就提出自費的健康檢查特別扣除額，本席也覺得其實可以，因為如果你沒有鼓勵大家可以在初期的時候就篩檢出來，背後的費用是更為龐大。所以院長，可以在這邊拜託您，回去跟財政部部長一個月內進行可行性的研擬嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：這是一個非常值得去研議的觀點，如果能夠提前篩檢出來，比方我們最近做的一些很多項癌症的篩檢，乳癌可以提前篩檢出來，但治療的成效卻不是像我們想像的那麼好，這可能在治療的過程當中要用新的方式，但是總是鼓勵大家能夠……"],["陳委員菁徽：現在最多的肺癌、大腸癌，這兩項在前期只要開刀治療的成效是非常好，所以它可以大幅下降後面的財政支出，你也不需要花那麼多錢在癌症新藥等等的。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以明年的預算我們也編了相當多在癌篩、提前篩檢的部分。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝。不好意思，我想最後花5分鐘關心一下高雄關於觀光、教育及行人安全的議題，請兩位部長休息。","接下來我們希望請教育部鄭部長、工程會陳主委、劉世芳部長及交通部陳部長上臺備詢，謝謝。"],["主席：請相關部會首長備詢。"],["陳委員菁徽：這個我也有當面跟教育部部長反映，很多委員都有問到，對於老舊校舍的修繕其實錢就真的不夠，必須每年都要靠行政院的專款來支付。很明顯的，這個是我上個會期到許許多多的小學，他們二、三十年的廁所完全沒有修繕，然後錢現在也不夠了，6個小便斗，有5個是不能用的，從下課排隊上廁所，排到上課都還排不到；這一間廁所在沖馬桶，另外一間的水會沖到你的屁股；還有滴水的狀況，上面、下面已經連成一個鐘乳石的奇景了，我真的很希望各位可以花點時間去看看，這是我會勘親眼所及。我聽說教育部在7月的時候又提報了一筆80億的廁所預算，聽說行政院9月26日有拿到審核的結果，是不是？想知道80億什麼時候可以讓教育部拿到位？因為高雄市政府都已經撥好地方必須要付的福山國小、明德國小、新甲國小等等的案例，都準備好配合的錢，只需要教育部、行政院一個點頭，學校就可以馬上施工，而不是讓這些小朋友從念小學一直等到畢業，廁所都還沒好。"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，過去八年我們投入了83.5億，114、115、116，3年我們編列了80億，希望能夠整建2,670棟的老舊廁所，能夠注意到公共設施或是學校廁所的問題，都跟我一樣，我們都有潔癖之類的。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以這80億什麼時候教育部可以拿到？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們已經編列了，明年預算一通過，就馬上可以……請教育部長來說明。"],["鄭部長英耀：是，謝謝委員的關心，確實上一次委員所關心的學校，我們也循程序爭取跟行政院院長報告，院長也覺得這是一個非常重要的，影響到學生的學習品質，所以院長在上個禮拜已經批准了兩年有80億的老舊……"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝，我也會儘量為這幾所學校爭取，把他們現在的慘況可以從報告中呈現出來，謝謝部長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我更希望它優先用到真正快速趕快需要改善的地方，請委員能夠提供。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝。","我們接下來請陳部長及陳主委，蓮池潭是高雄很重要的觀光景點，也是這個禮拜風災重創的，但是據我所知，有一筆補助2,268萬元的風景區營造工程，觀光署對於高雄市提報的預算書圖有意見，所以在這邊可不可以特別跟陳部長拜託一下，在地方政府修正其書圖的同時，可不可以允許他們同時工程招標呢？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，他們預計在10月9號，也就是下個禮拜會辦理工程上網招標的公告。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：10月9號就會進行。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝部長，我也請陳主委發揮您的專業，在他們整個標案設計、發包、工程建案等等的順暢度，可以協助他們好嗎？謝謝主委。"],["陳主任委員金德：可以。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝。","接下來是跟劉部長比較相關，而且是劉部長非常熟悉的區域，4年400億行人安全計畫有很多都是在學校周邊，都是劉部長非常熟悉的，我知道第二、第三已經獲得公路局通過，但是第一個因為跟中央道路無關，所以推回給國土署，可不可以請劉部長幫忙國土署，將這個作為審查第一順位呢？"],["劉部長世芳：跟委員補充報告一下，我們其實在10月1號已經有通知高雄市政府，目前第5次的提案會在11月8號左右全部來一起統籌辦理。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝。"],["劉部長世芳：11月8號。"],["陳委員菁徽：11月8號？"],["劉部長世芳：對，全部的部分，不是只有針對……"],["陳委員菁徽：好，非常感謝，也在這邊謝謝交通部陳部長。","最後一個也是劉部長很熟悉的，在新莊一路那邊有4所學校，從小學到最高等教育，即將要蓋的清大、交大都有，但是連年的交通事故非常的高，所以國土署代表上禮拜有來，是不是把它列為10月1號審查第一順位？有沒有什麼好消息可以提供給我們？"],["劉部長世芳：是，我想委員跟很多民意代表都有到現場去會勘過，現在的進度就是我們會納到永續提升人行安全計畫，在10月15號審議。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，那我們就期待10月15號有好消息，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的指教。"],["主席：謝謝陳菁徽委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長跟相關部會首長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第50號林宜瑾委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":106,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-3","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","郭昱晴","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","徐富癸","陳菁徽","林宜瑾","羅明才","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳永康","李昆澤","涂權吉","張智倫"],"page_start":33,"meetingDate":["2024-10-04"],"gazette_id":"1137701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137701_00002","1137701_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第3次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1137701_00006"}}}