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00:02:23,265\n如果由國際組織來申請發動再請台灣納入跨國申請的地址之一可能是應對台灣對於這個國際處境的一個\n\n7\n00:02:28,010 --> 00:02:54,587\n相當好的解套那而且因為這個患生者病患而他們受到的歧視跟隔離的歷史我想這是普世的經驗所以更是全球重要的人權的問題所以一旦如果提出申請我想審查的國家也不會用國家的定位來為這個理由來拒絕受理所以我想衛福部邱太元院部長也說過就是說樂生療養院他代表臺灣醫療史\n\n8\n00:02:55,908 --> 00:03:23,336\n的重要發展那衛福部、文化部跟教育部我想應該要聯合起來才能將這段歷史可以完整的呈現所以想請教卓院長樂生院的申請世界遺產的工作不曉得現在有做了多少的努力那未來你如何透過行政院的高度來整合各部會包括衛福部、教育部、文化部以及外交部來努力的爭取世界遺產的申請院長\n\n9\n00:03:24,016 --> 00:03:50,633\n是報告委員文化部已經責定18處世界遺產的潛力點在臺灣而且他已經成立了第5屆世界遺產的推動會那麼其中就知道了這個樂生療養這一件他已經完備了相當清楚詳細的文本我們希望能夠爭取到大家對這個地點對這個過去的醫療行為所留給人類的一個記憶點做一個有效的保存那行政院會完全全力來支持文化部這樣的工作\n\n10\n00:03:52,113 --> 00:04:18,323\n我可以補充一下因為我們才剛剛開完一個國際論壇就是請ECMAS的7位國際專家來台灣開一個論壇然後那個論壇非常成功雖然我們不屬於聯合國的這個會員國但是推動這個議場我們就用這個方式請國際的ECMAS的專家來台灣開會然後我們馬上在10月份就召開一個第5次的一個\n\n11\n00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:45,391\n在這次會議中我還特別請外交部部長能不能請次長來因為他是法國的一個大使我們這個單位就在法國所以我們準備做動作我們雖然不是會員國但是我們想做動作就是尋找國外的一些聲援者至少創造話題這個事情正好是我們9月10月正在做的事情\n\n12\n00:04:45,931 --> 00:05:13,097\n好所以我真的要謝謝部長的說明那也要請行政院再積極來推動這個世界遺產的申請因為對歷史跟文化的尊重當然是我們首要價值可是連帶這個臺灣的國際地位也好文化觀光也好跟跨國合作的可能性我想這都會因為我們對於世界遺產的努力而獲得更大的進展那另外我想再來本席要跟院長討論中國\n\n13\n00:05:21,567 --> 00:05:40,116\n我們的這個鄰國中國我想賴總統在今年8月在凱達格蘭論壇開幕式裡頭有提到威權主義擴張越來越拒侵略性而且已經是這個對於全球是一個很大的挑戰\n\n14\n00:05:41,056 --> 00:05:55,637\n中國不僅在台海軍演也跟俄羅斯在南海日本海西太平洋都進行海空聯合軍演那我想這個破壞區域和平穩定這部分對我們實在是非常的嚴重那\n\n15\n00:05:56,138 --> 00:06:20,164\n除了傳統的軍事威脅以外當然中國同時也將貿易武器化那對各國進行一些經濟脅迫利用網路啊科技啊擴張數位這種極權主義來影響全球的民主發展那我想近期一個引起各位注意的就是說中國的這些擴張除了國對國的威脅外他也因為用長年的這種\n\n16\n00:06:21,364 --> 00:06:21,904\n﹚林宜瑾\n\n17\n00:06:46,550 --> 00:07:01,731\n被砍傷的事件﹖不到3個月﹖9月18號又有一名中國﹖就讀中國深圳日本人學校的10歲的男童也在上學的途中被一名中國的男子砍死\n\n18\n00:07:02,873 --> 00:07:19,599\n那所以日本的首相石破茂有對於這些事情發表非常沉痛的憤怒跟表達不滿那我想請教院長怎麼看待日本人在中國遭殺害的這個事件那這樣的野蠻事件你又有什麼樣的譴責\n\n19\n00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:48,415\n謝謝委員不僅日本人前幾天我們看到中國的遊客在臺北針對香港的民族人士也做出非常不禮貌的一個動作那同時我們看到在南海中國對鄰近的國家也進行一些這個傳播武力上的一些對峙跟挑釁所以我認為這個是全面性的是中國在徒稱霸世界的過程的開始\n\n20\n00:07:49,775 --> 00:08:18,154\n但是用仇恨的教育他只會喪失理性用仇恨的教育也只會威脅和平所以我們看歷史來看用仇恨來教導人民來窮兵黷武對外做任何擴張的軍事行動到最後終究是這個領導人會遭受到世界歷史的唾棄這個是很嚴重的事實也是不可抹滅的事實我也希望中國的領導人能夠看清這一件他們現在自己\n\n21\n00:08:18,954 --> 00:08:37,391\n力圖成為經濟大國應該把自己的經濟搞好力圖成為世界的政治大國不應該用仇恨的教育應該用包容用合作共榮的方式才能得到大家在區域和平之後能夠理性的來討論對世界人類和平的最大的貢獻\n\n22\n00:08:38,563 --> 00:09:00,290\n對當然那綠黨看得非常清楚因為中國對台灣的這個侵略惡行當然是一直是明目張膽的那他對世界各國也如此對台灣更是如此那所以我想我們對於中國這樣的不管是中國公民的這個言語暴力也好或者是中國對於整個台灣的這個惡行我想我們都要有所防範\n\n23\n00:09:01,010 --> 00:09:22,905\n所以在今年6月27日陸委會就已經有對於中國的旅遊警示這個有橙色的警示那也就是提醒國人應避免非必要的旅行那理由是因為中國政府近年來已經威脅到嚴重威脅到國人的人身安全那我想本席想要請教就是說\n\n24\n00:09:23,973 --> 00:09:24,233\n陸委會有什麼樣的因應方式?\n\n25\n00:09:38,603 --> 00:10:03,320\n會員提醒國人的非常感謝委員關切這一點近期中國大陸為了刺激他們的消費特別是為了增加更多的旅遊推出了包括景點免費、低價團等等的一些優惠措施不過我們這邊還是要呼籲國人復路最重要的是人身自由安全的風險是\n\n26\n00:10:05,201 --> 00:10:32,210\n比如說您剛提到我們在6月底發布的這個旅遊警示最主要是針對6月21號他們發布的審讀22條意見這個對國人的人身自由安全的風險影響甚大這個法律基本上它界定的非常模糊而且設計上也充滿的各種不文明的制度包括\n\n27\n00:10:35,151 --> 00:10:59,577\n長臂管轄、終身追訴、缺席審判以及判處死刑還有沒收財產這些相當不文明的制度設計所以我們加上又鼓勵舉報所以我們呼籲國人復入要關注自己的人身安全的風險評估是不是復入港澳有它的必要性如果決定一定要去的話\n\n28\n00:11:01,237 --> 00:11:01,317\n五一勞動節\n\n29\n00:11:30,416 --> 00:11:50,817\n委員長我想我跟您討論五一勞動節全國一致放假的問題已經從蘇貞昌院長到陳建仁院長到您卓院長上一次的會期我有跟您討論過那我本來以為經過大家長期的討論這下倡議原本快要獲得了這個確實的那我想\n\n30\n00:11:51,778 --> 00:12:08,770\n不曉得為什麼徒踩煞車搞得大家也都人仰馬翻院長行政院認為把全國兩大群人無數的家庭放假日不一致到底有什麼樣的意義每次談到無一勞動節行政院就會說\n\n31\n00:12:12,533 --> 00:12:30,727\n是依據公務員服務法公務員一整年的放假天數是115到116天那目前已經達到上限請教院長你這樣的說法到底是依據現行的公務員服務法的第幾條又是哪一年修法的院長\n\n32\n00:12:32,388 --> 00:12:53,758\n這個是公務員服務法第11條他是在89年6月就三讀通過的內容就是115天到116天但是我們最近這兩天為了要放假不放假的事情搞得大家都非常的不安很焦慮我覺得全國公務員也好包括所有的國人在什麼時候\n\n33\n00:12:55,019 --> 00:13:05,158\n該怎麼樣放假有怎麼樣來決定地方該負待於地方的責任中央會來協助那這件事情我想我們就統一來看看規劃將來朝一個更合理的方向來思考\n\n34\n00:13:05,865 --> 00:13:26,260\n因為剛剛院長您提到公務員服務法這個你說是89年那就是2000年可是可能院長你可能沒有理解沒有弔詭的是說在2022年公務員服務法有做過全委的修正\n\n35\n00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:42,225\n所以該項的所謂的115到116天的休假日上限他是一個附帶決議他的原條文已經被修正不復存在了所以這樣的一個附帶決議行政院還在遵守這個條文在2022\n\n36\n00:13:45,047 --> 00:14:02,146\n公務員服務法已經經過修正了這個看起來院長沒有掌握所以你們還宣稱依照這樣的一個附帶決議來處理公務員的休假那院長我想今天這場質詢包含公教人員在內的全國勞動者都在看\n\n37\n00:14:02,887 --> 00:14:22,233\n五一要不要全面放假實際上我覺得這是最表面的問題可是政府應該不容閃躲的核心爭議是在我們該如何看待勞動人權的普世價值我想當台灣被背負的所謂的過勞之島的罪名的時候我想政府卻持續帶頭破壞勞動者的團結\n\n38\n00:14:25,049 --> 00:14:45,085\n我們把所謂的受薪者階級硬生生把它分成兩塊一塊叫做勞工一塊叫做非勞工公教人員就是非勞工那勞保就是勞工然後用這樣切分勞工與非勞工的錯誤概念然後來用紀念勞動者團結的這一天來刻意的彰顯出來院長不覺得很諷刺嗎\n\n39\n00:14:46,286 --> 00:14:46,706\n委員長施政報告\n\n40\n00:15:08,968 --> 00:15:09,008\n對勞動人權的維護\n\n41\n00:15:38,404 --> 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文化部已經責定18處世界遺產的潛力點在臺灣而且他已經成立了第5屆世界遺產的推動會那麼其中就知道了這個樂生療養這一件他已經完備了相當清楚詳細的文本我們希望能夠爭取到大家對這個地點對這個過去的醫療行為所留給人類的一個記憶點做一個有效的保存那行政院會完全全力來支持文化部這樣的工作\n232113\t258323\t我可以補充一下因為我們才剛剛開完一個國際論壇就是請ECMAS的7位國際專家來台灣開一個論壇然後那個論壇非常成功雖然我們不屬於聯合國的這個會員國但是推動這個議場我們就用這個方式請國際的ECMAS的專家來台灣開會然後我們馬上在10月份就召開一個第5次的一個\n260330\t285391\t在這次會議中我還特別請外交部部長能不能請次長來因為他是法國的一個大使我們這個單位就在法國所以我們準備做動作我們雖然不是會員國但是我們想做動作就是尋找國外的一些聲援者至少創造話題這個事情正好是我們9月10月正在做的事情\n285931\t313097\t好所以我真的要謝謝部長的說明那也要請行政院再積極來推動這個世界遺產的申請因為對歷史跟文化的尊重當然是我們首要價值可是連帶這個臺灣的國際地位也好文化觀光也好跟跨國合作的可能性我想這都會因為我們對於世界遺產的努力而獲得更大的進展那另外我想再來本席要跟院長討論中國\n321567\t340116\t我們的這個鄰國中國我想賴總統在今年8月在凱達格蘭論壇開幕式裡頭有提到威權主義擴張越來越拒侵略性而且已經是這個對於全球是一個很大的挑戰\n341056\t355637\t中國不僅在台海軍演也跟俄羅斯在南海日本海西太平洋都進行海空聯合軍演那我想這個破壞區域和平穩定這部分對我們實在是非常的嚴重那\n356138\t380164\t除了傳統的軍事威脅以外當然中國同時也將貿易武器化那對各國進行一些經濟脅迫利用網路啊科技啊擴張數位這種極權主義來影響全球的民主發展那我想近期一個引起各位注意的就是說中國的這些擴張除了國對國的威脅外他也因為用長年的這種\n381364\t381904\t﹚林宜瑾\n406550\t421731\t被砍傷的事件﹖不到3個月﹖9月18號又有一名中國﹖就讀中國深圳日本人學校的10歲的男童也在上學的途中被一名中國的男子砍死\n422873\t439599\t那所以日本的首相石破茂有對於這些事情發表非常沉痛的憤怒跟表達不滿那我想請教院長怎麼看待日本人在中國遭殺害的這個事件那這樣的野蠻事件你又有什麼樣的譴責\n442010\t468415\t謝謝委員不僅日本人前幾天我們看到中國的遊客在臺北針對香港的民族人士也做出非常不禮貌的一個動作那同時我們看到在南海中國對鄰近的國家也進行一些這個傳播武力上的一些對峙跟挑釁所以我認為這個是全面性的是中國在徒稱霸世界的過程的開始\n469775\t498154\t但是用仇恨的教育他只會喪失理性用仇恨的教育也只會威脅和平所以我們看歷史來看用仇恨來教導人民來窮兵黷武對外做任何擴張的軍事行動到最後終究是這個領導人會遭受到世界歷史的唾棄這個是很嚴重的事實也是不可抹滅的事實我也希望中國的領導人能夠看清這一件他們現在自己\n498954\t517391\t力圖成為經濟大國應該把自己的經濟搞好力圖成為世界的政治大國不應該用仇恨的教育應該用包容用合作共榮的方式才能得到大家在區域和平之後能夠理性的來討論對世界人類和平的最大的貢獻\n518563\t540290\t對 當然那 綠黨看得非常清楚因為中國對台灣的這個侵略惡行當然是一直是明目張膽的那他對世界各國也如此對台灣更是如此那所以我想我們對於中國這樣的不管是中國公民的這個言語暴力也好或者是中國對於整個台灣的這個惡行我想我們都要有所防範\n541010\t562905\t所以在今年6月27日陸委會就已經有對於中國的旅遊警示這個有橙色的警示那也就是提醒國人應避免非必要的旅行那理由是因為中國政府近年來已經威脅到嚴重威脅到國人的人身安全那我想本席想要請教就是說\n563973\t564233\t陸委會有什麼樣的因應方式?\n578603\t603320\t會員提醒國人的非常感謝委員關切這一點近期中國大陸為了刺激他們的消費特別是為了增加更多的旅遊推出了包括景點免費、低價團等等的一些優惠措施不過我們這邊還是要呼籲國人復路最重要的是人身自由安全的風險是\n605201\t632210\t比如說您剛提到我們在6月底發布的這個旅遊警示最主要是針對6月21號他們發布的審讀22條意見這個對國人的人身自由安全的風險影響甚大這個法律基本上它界定的非常模糊而且設計上也充滿的各種不文明的制度包括\n635151\t659577\t長臂管轄、終身追訴、缺席審判以及判處死刑還有沒收財產這些相當不文明的制度設計所以我們加上又鼓勵舉報所以我們呼籲國人復入要關注自己的人身安全的風險評估是不是復入港澳有它的必要性如果決定一定要去的話\n661237\t661317\t五一勞動節\n690416\t710817\t委員長我想我跟您討論五一勞動節全國一致放假的問題已經從蘇貞昌院長到陳建仁院長到您卓院長上一次的會期我有跟您討論過那我本來以為經過大家長期的討論這下倡議原本快要獲得了這個確實的那我想\n711778\t728770\t不曉得為什麼徒踩煞車搞得大家也都人仰馬翻院長 行政院認為把全國兩大群人無數的家庭放假日不一致到底有什麼樣的意義每次談到無一勞動節行政院就會說\n732533\t750727\t是依據公務員服務法公務員一整年的放假天數是115到116天那目前已經達到上限請教院長你這樣的說法到底是依據現行的公務員服務法的第幾條又是哪一年修法的 院長\n752388\t773758\t這個是公務員服務法第11條他是在89年6月就三讀通過的內容就是115天到116天但是我們最近這兩天為了要放假不放假的事情搞得大家都非常的不安很焦慮我覺得全國公務員也好包括所有的國人在什麼時候\n775019\t785158\t該怎麼樣放假 有怎麼樣來決定地方該負待於地方的責任 中央會來協助那這件事情我想我們就統一來看看規劃將來朝一個更合理的方向來思考\n785865\t806260\t因為剛剛院長您提到公務員服務法這個你說是89年那就是2000年可是可能院長你可能沒有理解沒有弔詭的是說在2022年公務員服務法有做過全委的修正\n807080\t822225\t所以該項的所謂的115到116天的休假日上限他是一個附帶決議他的原條文已經被修正不復存在了所以這樣的一個附帶決議行政院還在遵守這個條文在2022\n825047\t842146\t公務員服務法已經經過修正了這個看起來院長沒有掌握所以你們還宣稱依照這樣的一個附帶決議來處理公務員的休假那院長我想今天這場質詢包含公教人員在內的全國勞動者都在看\n842887\t862233\t五一要不要全面放假實際上我覺得這是最表面的問題可是政府應該不容閃躲的核心爭議是在我們該如何看待勞動人權的普世價值我想當台灣被背負的所謂的過勞之島的罪名的時候我想政府卻持續帶頭破壞勞動者的團結\n865049\t885085\t我們把所謂的受薪者階級硬生生把它分成兩塊一塊叫做勞工一塊叫做非勞工公教人員就是非勞工那勞保就是勞工然後用這樣切分勞工與非勞工的錯誤概念然後來用紀念勞動者團結的這一天來刻意的彰顯出來院長不覺得很諷刺嗎\n886286\t886706\t委員長施政報告\n908968\t909008\t對勞動人權的維護\n938404\t938824\t好 謝謝林宜瑾委員\n","txt":"林委員好\n院長好我想請台灣已經是世界潮流不僅美國澳洲荷蘭義大利都紛紛來正式表態拒絕中國惡意扭曲聯大第2758號決議那世界各國也紛紛來支持擴大台灣的這個國際參與我想置身這樣的一個歷史時刻該如何好好的把握我們來積極行動我想是政府\n李卓人議員\n那跨越國界的醫療發展跟世界級的文化資產我想這是全人類共享而且共同維護的價值那同時也是發揮臺灣軟實力的最佳的場域所以今天本席就要跟院長來提到正是集醫療跟文資這兩大價值餘生2009年就被領選為臺灣世界遺產潛力點的樂森療養院\n聯合國教科文組織的前副主席西村信夫指出樂生療養院符合世界遺產公約執行作業要點中的提名原則\n如果由國際組織來申請發動再請台灣納入跨國申請的地址之一可能是應對台灣對於這個國際處境的一個\n相當好的解套那而且因為這個患生者病患而他們受到的歧視跟隔離的歷史我想這是普世的經驗所以更是全球重要的人權的問題所以一旦如果提出申請我想審查的國家也不會用國家的定位來為這個理由來拒絕受理所以我想衛福部邱太元院部長也說過就是說樂生療養院他代表臺灣醫療史\n的重要發展那衛福部、文化部跟教育部我想應該要聯合起來才能將這段歷史可以完整的呈現所以想請教卓院長樂生院的申請世界遺產的工作不曉得現在有做了多少的努力那未來你如何透過行政院的高度來整合各部會包括衛福部、教育部、文化部以及外交部來努力的爭取世界遺產的申請 院長\n是 報告委員 文化部已經責定18處世界遺產的潛力點在臺灣而且他已經成立了第5屆世界遺產的推動會那麼其中就知道了這個樂生療養這一件他已經完備了相當清楚詳細的文本我們希望能夠爭取到大家對這個地點對這個過去的醫療行為所留給人類的一個記憶點做一個有效的保存那行政院會完全全力來支持文化部這樣的工作\n我可以補充一下因為我們才剛剛開完一個國際論壇就是請ECMAS的7位國際專家來台灣開一個論壇然後那個論壇非常成功雖然我們不屬於聯合國的這個會員國但是推動這個議場我們就用這個方式請國際的ECMAS的專家來台灣開會然後我們馬上在10月份就召開一個第5次的一個\n在這次會議中我還特別請外交部部長能不能請次長來因為他是法國的一個大使我們這個單位就在法國所以我們準備做動作我們雖然不是會員國但是我們想做動作就是尋找國外的一些聲援者至少創造話題這個事情正好是我們9月10月正在做的事情\n好所以我真的要謝謝部長的說明那也要請行政院再積極來推動這個世界遺產的申請因為對歷史跟文化的尊重當然是我們首要價值可是連帶這個臺灣的國際地位也好文化觀光也好跟跨國合作的可能性我想這都會因為我們對於世界遺產的努力而獲得更大的進展那另外我想再來本席要跟院長討論中國\n我們的這個鄰國中國我想賴總統在今年8月在凱達格蘭論壇開幕式裡頭有提到威權主義擴張越來越拒侵略性而且已經是這個對於全球是一個很大的挑戰\n中國不僅在台海軍演也跟俄羅斯在南海日本海西太平洋都進行海空聯合軍演那我想這個破壞區域和平穩定這部分對我們實在是非常的嚴重那\n除了傳統的軍事威脅以外當然中國同時也將貿易武器化那對各國進行一些經濟脅迫利用網路啊科技啊擴張數位這種極權主義來影響全球的民主發展那我想近期一個引起各位注意的就是說中國的這些擴張除了國對國的威脅外他也因為用長年的這種\n﹚林宜瑾\n被砍傷的事件﹖不到3個月﹖9月18號又有一名中國﹖就讀中國深圳日本人學校的10歲的男童也在上學的途中被一名中國的男子砍死\n那所以日本的首相石破茂有對於這些事情發表非常沉痛的憤怒跟表達不滿那我想請教院長怎麼看待日本人在中國遭殺害的這個事件那這樣的野蠻事件你又有什麼樣的譴責\n謝謝委員不僅日本人前幾天我們看到中國的遊客在臺北針對香港的民族人士也做出非常不禮貌的一個動作那同時我們看到在南海中國對鄰近的國家也進行一些這個傳播武力上的一些對峙跟挑釁所以我認為這個是全面性的是中國在徒稱霸世界的過程的開始\n但是用仇恨的教育他只會喪失理性用仇恨的教育也只會威脅和平所以我們看歷史來看用仇恨來教導人民來窮兵黷武對外做任何擴張的軍事行動到最後終究是這個領導人會遭受到世界歷史的唾棄這個是很嚴重的事實也是不可抹滅的事實我也希望中國的領導人能夠看清這一件他們現在自己\n力圖成為經濟大國應該把自己的經濟搞好力圖成為世界的政治大國不應該用仇恨的教育應該用包容用合作共榮的方式才能得到大家在區域和平之後能夠理性的來討論對世界人類和平的最大的貢獻\n對 當然那 綠黨看得非常清楚因為中國對台灣的這個侵略惡行當然是一直是明目張膽的那他對世界各國也如此對台灣更是如此那所以我想我們對於中國這樣的不管是中國公民的這個言語暴力也好或者是中國對於整個台灣的這個惡行我想我們都要有所防範\n所以在今年6月27日陸委會就已經有對於中國的旅遊警示這個有橙色的警示那也就是提醒國人應避免非必要的旅行那理由是因為中國政府近年來已經威脅到嚴重威脅到國人的人身安全那我想本席想要請教就是說\n陸委會有什麼樣的因應方式?\n會員提醒國人的非常感謝委員關切這一點近期中國大陸為了刺激他們的消費特別是為了增加更多的旅遊推出了包括景點免費、低價團等等的一些優惠措施不過我們這邊還是要呼籲國人復路最重要的是人身自由安全的風險是\n比如說您剛提到我們在6月底發布的這個旅遊警示最主要是針對6月21號他們發布的審讀22條意見這個對國人的人身自由安全的風險影響甚大這個法律基本上它界定的非常模糊而且設計上也充滿的各種不文明的制度包括\n長臂管轄、終身追訴、缺席審判以及判處死刑還有沒收財產這些相當不文明的制度設計所以我們加上又鼓勵舉報所以我們呼籲國人復入要關注自己的人身安全的風險評估是不是復入港澳有它的必要性如果決定一定要去的話\n五一勞動節\n委員長我想我跟您討論五一勞動節全國一致放假的問題已經從蘇貞昌院長到陳建仁院長到您卓院長上一次的會期我有跟您討論過那我本來以為經過大家長期的討論這下倡議原本快要獲得了這個確實的那我想\n不曉得為什麼徒踩煞車搞得大家也都人仰馬翻院長 行政院認為把全國兩大群人無數的家庭放假日不一致到底有什麼樣的意義每次談到無一勞動節行政院就會說\n是依據公務員服務法公務員一整年的放假天數是115到116天那目前已經達到上限請教院長你這樣的說法到底是依據現行的公務員服務法的第幾條又是哪一年修法的 院長\n這個是公務員服務法第11條他是在89年6月就三讀通過的內容就是115天到116天但是我們最近這兩天為了要放假不放假的事情搞得大家都非常的不安很焦慮我覺得全國公務員也好包括所有的國人在什麼時候\n該怎麼樣放假 有怎麼樣來決定地方該負待於地方的責任 中央會來協助那這件事情我想我們就統一來看看規劃將來朝一個更合理的方向來思考\n因為剛剛院長您提到公務員服務法這個你說是89年那就是2000年可是可能院長你可能沒有理解沒有弔詭的是說在2022年公務員服務法有做過全委的修正\n所以該項的所謂的115到116天的休假日上限他是一個附帶決議他的原條文已經被修正不復存在了所以這樣的一個附帶決議行政院還在遵守這個條文在2022\n公務員服務法已經經過修正了這個看起來院長沒有掌握所以你們還宣稱依照這樣的一個附帶決議來處理公務員的休假那院長我想今天這場質詢包含公教人員在內的全國勞動者都在看\n五一要不要全面放假實際上我覺得這是最表面的問題可是政府應該不容閃躲的核心爭議是在我們該如何看待勞動人權的普世價值我想當台灣被背負的所謂的過勞之島的罪名的時候我想政府卻持續帶頭破壞勞動者的團結\n我們把所謂的受薪者階級硬生生把它分成兩塊一塊叫做勞工一塊叫做非勞工公教人員就是非勞工那勞保就是勞工然後用這樣切分勞工與非勞工的錯誤概念然後來用紀念勞動者團結的這一天來刻意的彰顯出來院長不覺得很諷刺嗎\n委員長施政報告\n對勞動人權的維護\n好 謝謝林宜瑾委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:29.966 --> 00:30.126\n林委員好\n\n00:43.582 --> 01:07.456\n院長好我想請台灣已經是世界潮流不僅美國澳洲荷蘭義大利都紛紛來正式表態拒絕中國惡意扭曲聯大第2758號決議那世界各國也紛紛來支持擴大台灣的這個國際參與我想置身這樣的一個歷史時刻該如何好好的把握我們來積極行動我想是政府\n\n01:07.856 --> 01:08.136\n李卓人議員\n\n01:26.784 --> 01:47.181\n那跨越國界的醫療發展跟世界級的文化資產我想這是全人類共享而且共同維護的價值那同時也是發揮臺灣軟實力的最佳的場域所以今天本席就要跟院長來提到正是集醫療跟文資這兩大價值餘生2009年就被領選為臺灣世界遺產潛力點的樂森療養院\n\n01:55.087 --> 02:10.834\n聯合國教科文組織的前副主席西村信夫指出樂生療養院符合世界遺產公約執行作業要點中的提名原則\n\n02:12.655 --> 02:23.265\n如果由國際組織來申請發動再請台灣納入跨國申請的地址之一可能是應對台灣對於這個國際處境的一個\n\n02:28.010 --> 02:54.587\n相當好的解套那而且因為這個患生者病患而他們受到的歧視跟隔離的歷史我想這是普世的經驗所以更是全球重要的人權的問題所以一旦如果提出申請我想審查的國家也不會用國家的定位來為這個理由來拒絕受理所以我想衛福部邱太元院部長也說過就是說樂生療養院他代表臺灣醫療史\n\n02:55.908 --> 03:23.336\n的重要發展那衛福部、文化部跟教育部我想應該要聯合起來才能將這段歷史可以完整的呈現所以想請教卓院長樂生院的申請世界遺產的工作不曉得現在有做了多少的努力那未來你如何透過行政院的高度來整合各部會包括衛福部、教育部、文化部以及外交部來努力的爭取世界遺產的申請院長\n\n03:24.016 --> 03:50.633\n是報告委員文化部已經責定18處世界遺產的潛力點在臺灣而且他已經成立了第5屆世界遺產的推動會那麼其中就知道了這個樂生療養這一件他已經完備了相當清楚詳細的文本我們希望能夠爭取到大家對這個地點對這個過去的醫療行為所留給人類的一個記憶點做一個有效的保存那行政院會完全全力來支持文化部這樣的工作\n\n03:52.113 --> 04:18.323\n我可以補充一下因為我們才剛剛開完一個國際論壇就是請ECMAS的7位國際專家來台灣開一個論壇然後那個論壇非常成功雖然我們不屬於聯合國的這個會員國但是推動這個議場我們就用這個方式請國際的ECMAS的專家來台灣開會然後我們馬上在10月份就召開一個第5次的一個\n\n04:20.330 --> 04:45.391\n在這次會議中我還特別請外交部部長能不能請次長來因為他是法國的一個大使我們這個單位就在法國所以我們準備做動作我們雖然不是會員國但是我們想做動作就是尋找國外的一些聲援者至少創造話題這個事情正好是我們9月10月正在做的事情\n\n04:45.931 --> 05:13.097\n好所以我真的要謝謝部長的說明那也要請行政院再積極來推動這個世界遺產的申請因為對歷史跟文化的尊重當然是我們首要價值可是連帶這個臺灣的國際地位也好文化觀光也好跟跨國合作的可能性我想這都會因為我們對於世界遺產的努力而獲得更大的進展那另外我想再來本席要跟院長討論中國\n\n05:21.567 --> 05:40.116\n我們的這個鄰國中國我想賴總統在今年8月在凱達格蘭論壇開幕式裡頭有提到威權主義擴張越來越拒侵略性而且已經是這個對於全球是一個很大的挑戰\n\n05:41.056 --> 05:55.637\n中國不僅在台海軍演也跟俄羅斯在南海日本海西太平洋都進行海空聯合軍演那我想這個破壞區域和平穩定這部分對我們實在是非常的嚴重那\n\n05:56.138 --> 06:20.164\n除了傳統的軍事威脅以外當然中國同時也將貿易武器化那對各國進行一些經濟脅迫利用網路啊科技啊擴張數位這種極權主義來影響全球的民主發展那我想近期一個引起各位注意的就是說中國的這些擴張除了國對國的威脅外他也因為用長年的這種\n\n06:21.364 --> 06:21.904\n﹚林宜瑾\n\n06:46.550 --> 07:01.731\n被砍傷的事件﹖不到3個月﹖9月18號又有一名中國﹖就讀中國深圳日本人學校的10歲的男童也在上學的途中被一名中國的男子砍死\n\n07:02.873 --> 07:19.599\n那所以日本的首相石破茂有對於這些事情發表非常沉痛的憤怒跟表達不滿那我想請教院長怎麼看待日本人在中國遭殺害的這個事件那這樣的野蠻事件你又有什麼樣的譴責\n\n07:22.010 --> 07:48.415\n謝謝委員不僅日本人前幾天我們看到中國的遊客在臺北針對香港的民族人士也做出非常不禮貌的一個動作那同時我們看到在南海中國對鄰近的國家也進行一些這個傳播武力上的一些對峙跟挑釁所以我認為這個是全面性的是中國在徒稱霸世界的過程的開始\n\n07:49.775 --> 08:18.154\n但是用仇恨的教育他只會喪失理性用仇恨的教育也只會威脅和平所以我們看歷史來看用仇恨來教導人民來窮兵黷武對外做任何擴張的軍事行動到最後終究是這個領導人會遭受到世界歷史的唾棄這個是很嚴重的事實也是不可抹滅的事實我也希望中國的領導人能夠看清這一件他們現在自己\n\n08:18.954 --> 08:37.391\n力圖成為經濟大國應該把自己的經濟搞好力圖成為世界的政治大國不應該用仇恨的教育應該用包容用合作共榮的方式才能得到大家在區域和平之後能夠理性的來討論對世界人類和平的最大的貢獻\n\n08:38.563 --> 09:00.290\n對當然那綠黨看得非常清楚因為中國對台灣的這個侵略惡行當然是一直是明目張膽的那他對世界各國也如此對台灣更是如此那所以我想我們對於中國這樣的不管是中國公民的這個言語暴力也好或者是中國對於整個台灣的這個惡行我想我們都要有所防範\n\n09:01.010 --> 09:22.905\n所以在今年6月27日陸委會就已經有對於中國的旅遊警示這個有橙色的警示那也就是提醒國人應避免非必要的旅行那理由是因為中國政府近年來已經威脅到嚴重威脅到國人的人身安全那我想本席想要請教就是說\n\n09:23.973 --> 09:24.233\n陸委會有什麼樣的因應方式?\n\n09:38.603 --> 10:03.320\n會員提醒國人的非常感謝委員關切這一點近期中國大陸為了刺激他們的消費特別是為了增加更多的旅遊推出了包括景點免費、低價團等等的一些優惠措施不過我們這邊還是要呼籲國人復路最重要的是人身自由安全的風險是\n\n10:05.201 --> 10:32.210\n比如說您剛提到我們在6月底發布的這個旅遊警示最主要是針對6月21號他們發布的審讀22條意見這個對國人的人身自由安全的風險影響甚大這個法律基本上它界定的非常模糊而且設計上也充滿的各種不文明的制度包括\n\n10:35.151 --> 10:59.577\n長臂管轄、終身追訴、缺席審判以及判處死刑還有沒收財產這些相當不文明的制度設計所以我們加上又鼓勵舉報所以我們呼籲國人復入要關注自己的人身安全的風險評估是不是復入港澳有它的必要性如果決定一定要去的話\n\n11:01.237 --> 11:01.317\n五一勞動節\n\n11:30.416 --> 11:50.817\n委員長我想我跟您討論五一勞動節全國一致放假的問題已經從蘇貞昌院長到陳建仁院長到您卓院長上一次的會期我有跟您討論過那我本來以為經過大家長期的討論這下倡議原本快要獲得了這個確實的那我想\n\n11:51.778 --> 12:08.770\n不曉得為什麼徒踩煞車搞得大家也都人仰馬翻院長行政院認為把全國兩大群人無數的家庭放假日不一致到底有什麼樣的意義每次談到無一勞動節行政院就會說\n\n12:12.533 --> 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