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00:02:31,417\n顧部長我提醒你在燕巢有個陸軍工兵訓練中心所稱的\n\n8\n00:02:58,545 --> 00:02:58,605\n李昆澤\n\n9\n00:03:20,573 --> 00:03:47,394\n再走不要讓道路整個阻礙這種交通的便利性防禦市民正常的生活我想八千團裡面有相當的那個鏈鋸就可以鋸斷那個數我們一定會全力支援有關的部長我們就加派人力加派車輛加派大型的機械對那至於要把它抓到早期抓到那個部分上面去有沒有問題但是我們人力上如果說\n\n10\n00:04:06,050 --> 00:04:07,090\n報告委員目前到最新的4點為止的訊息\n\n11\n00:04:35,697 --> 00:04:57,877\n高雄市已經來到36,776戶很快的我們相信在晚上大概8點今天晚上12點以前這個作為目標8點就能夠恢復全部的用電嗎這個是我們的目標因為有一些就像你剛才講道路的問題我們是不是能夠搶進\n\n12\n00:04:59,318 --> 00:05:02,220\n我們現在還在努力我們現在就只剩下水大概有3000多戶\n\n13\n00:05:22,523 --> 00:05:26,204\n議員長最後我再請教議員長有關於救災的問題不管是7月25號的楷米颱風也謝謝議員長第一時間針對50公分以上的我們相關的這個\n\n14\n00:05:52,013 --> 00:06:17,691\n受災戶的補助如果再加上高雄市政府可以領到3萬5千元那低收入戶可以中低收入戶可以領到4萬5千元那50公分以下是領5千元但是如果是低收入戶中低收入戶可以領到1萬5千元那這個給高雄市民即時的溫暖那對於市民的這樣一個恢復正常生活是幫助非常的大\n\n15\n00:06:18,231 --> 00:06:44,977\n那接下來就是說院長也到高雄市來視察相關的滯洪設施那也提到說在我們現場的市長以及我們在地名利代表立委的要求那院長也很明快的做出這樣的一個說明跟補充就是說針對高雄市所需的短中長期的治水預算大概要35億元那短期的\n\n16\n00:06:45,717 --> 00:07:04,730\n大概就是以這個第二預備金或是救災準備金來做支付那中長期的可能就是要到明年的預算或是看相關的前瞻預算有沒有剩餘款這個部分支水的預算是非常重要的那我最主要說這個院長這個35億的預算現在有沒有問題\n\n17\n00:07:09,854 --> 00:07:30,667\n我希望他不成為問題因為他成為問題的話就會變是大家共同的問題因為這不只是高雄市相關的治水的預算是全台灣各縣市不分黨派重要的治水預算防災的預算因為你現在是極端氣候這種極端氣候的思念各縣市都有可能面臨相關的重大的風災水災\n\n18\n00:07:32,808 --> 00:08:01,688\n臺美颱風之後我們增加了159億總數達到551億的系統性治水我希望他一定要能夠適時的派上用場另外院長我有提到說在2010年法納比颱風也是造成高雄市的重大的水災的災情當然我們一般傳統有50公分以上的補助或50公分以下的補助\n\n19\n00:08:02,088 --> 00:08:25,406\n但是在過去對於集合式住宅大廈大樓是沒有補助的當然有人說大廈大樓不會陰水但是它有地下室地下室如果進水進去它相關的配電設施消防設施電梯設施相關的這些機電的設施等等其實就面臨很大修復的一個問題像\n\n20\n00:08:28,117 --> 00:08:50,146\n議員長所知道的在這一次7月25號的這樣的一個凱利颱風所造成的這個衝擊對三民區對高雄市這個大樓就有影響那記得在華納比颱風的時候當時的市長陳菊市長有向中央申請相關的補助有一筆3500萬的相關的補助是以\n\n21\n00:08:54,209 --> 00:08:54,469\n執行委員：李昆澤\n\n22\n00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:33,125\n就是因為他們是大樓他們沒有什麼50公分以上或50公分以下的這種補助那這種行政院會不會去做思考去做調整或是來給予補助請院長說明\n\n23\n00:09:35,506 --> 00:09:55,431\n好首先非常委員前兩天也非常的辛苦及時提供給高雄市政府團隊跟應變中心相當多的資訊讓我們能夠掌握那麼做必要的處置那委員已經不只一次關心到大樓底下地下室這個機電設備受損的狀況那我們每一次在災害之後都會\n\n24\n00:09:56,391 --> 00:09:56,751\n施政委員：李昆澤\n\n25\n00:10:20,521 --> 00:10:49,234\n那我們是在想想看這個損失這個大樓數量是這樣子損失到底有多少那我們可以跟市政府團隊再來研究看看那我也知道現在還要聽說說有一些大樓本身的防水設備那這個部分我想我們統一的來衡量看看我現在是準備如果時間上允許地方上也可能禮拜天後天是不是能夠到現場我們再去了解實際的狀況之後我會跟部長再做精密的一個研究\n\n26\n00:10:49,974 --> 00:10:50,074\n陳世凱部長\n\n27\n00:11:12,937 --> 00:11:30,951\n陳部長您好,針對這種極端型氣候對於我們交通安全的衝擊是非常的大,尤其這一次的三坨爾颱風不管是公路系統或是鐵道系統,它相關受到風災衝擊之後相關安全的檢視是非常重要\n\n28\n00:11:31,511 --> 00:11:52,354\n當然我們會基於公班他們在復原的這樣狀況安全是最重要的第二是安全的這樣道路不管是鐵道公路的安全品質足不足以負荷人民的這種交通的需求那這次風災之後你們針對公路以及鐵路有沒有相關的這樣一個檢視的程序呢\n\n29\n00:11:53,603 --> 00:12:14,539\n報告委員您比較關心的部分全台的這個公路系統我們現在也都有固定定期的這個邊坡的檢視像今天在基隆那個國一高速公路基隆南下的部分在上高速公路的地方邊坡就坍塌了也造成淹水所以就早上先封閉一直到10點半\n\n30\n00:12:15,539 --> 00:12:41,044\n這個部分我們針對編撥會做一個總體檢在這次的颱風過後會做一個總體檢所以高速公路的部分是這個樣子那公路跟鐵路的部分其實大家比較擔心的會是東部的部分那東部的部分因為4月3號的這個地震之後那個編撥其實是非常的鬆動所以我們幾個防治的作為第一個就是說跟氣象署合作我們做一個QPEPlus的一個系統\n\n31\n00:12:42,605 --> 00:12:59,764\n針對上面最上邊波的氣候的管理如果有比較嚴重的下雨或者是比較極端的氣候的狀況的時候我們會先有一個告警那另外在中邊波的部分我們會跨部會的跟例如說農業部例如說水利署來做合作做這個告警系統\n\n32\n00:13:00,345 --> 00:13:18,636\n那另外針對公路跟鐵路的聯防的部分我們自己也有建構自己的告警系統我們總共建置了26處在崇德跟是何人中間部長剛才有提到有關於東部的鐵路及公路相關的交通安全那在東部的公路跟鐵路的交通安全裡面有一段最重要的就是何人跟崇德之間\n\n33\n00:13:20,237 --> 00:13:34,132\n他不管是有原本的這種蘇花案的計畫改善計畫也在這個路段裡面以及相關的台九縣他相關的這樣的一個土石流或這樣一個零流崩塌的情形也非常的嚴重\n\n34\n00:13:34,733 --> 00:14:00,675\n更因為這一段和忍跟崇德之間接下來造成台鐵相關的這些軌道的淹沒等等這些對於民眾的安全衝擊非常的大讓民眾有個安全的道路所以在相關的我們針對和忍崇德不管是所謂的蘇花安或者是台九線或者是台鐵公司相關的安全現在你們處理的程序跟進度是如何\n\n35\n00:14:01,595 --> 00:14:30,051\n報告委員我們目前有26處的告警系統都已經完成在北回也好宜蘭也好臺東也好花蓮這一段比較危險的地方那另外針對容易落石跟土石流的部分有8處的這個實體的阻隔以及告警系統我們在明年的4月份會完成那另外我們還會建置15處針對鐵路跟公路的比較危險的地段我們在明年的年中之前也會完成這個告警系統部長你要加強這些邊坡的預警以及\n\n36\n00:14:30,791 --> 00:14:31,011\n李昆澤\n\n37\n00:14:48,239 --> 00:15:01,995\n臺20高雄的明霸客路橋它的便當又被沖毀什麼時候可以復原你掌握狀況報告委員我們盡量在趕明天晚上6點之前讓它完成人車都可以通行的狀態在明天晚上18點也是6點之前\n\n38\n00:15:02,855 --> 00:15:22,114\n這個部門要加強的督促我們對於臺鐵的交通安全其實是非常重視以及相關的公路系統這個院長也會來督促交通部針對人民不管是哪個區域西部東部也好對於交通的便利安全一定有一個權利的督促來部長院長最後簡單說明\n\n39\n00:15:23,593 --> 00:15:23,813\n李昆澤委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n21084\t31818\t謝謝主席請一下左院長還有國防部顧部長經濟部郭部長麻煩再請左院長相關部會事項備詢\n40680\t56051\t議員長好保障人民生命財產安全是行政院最重要的工作那這一次山頭颱風對南部尤其是高雄造成重大的鋒利的這樣的一個衝擊跟傷害\n57752\t77844\t在整個過程裡面我也要先謝謝卓院長不管是臺電或自來水公司、水利署以及相關的部會在整個尤其是國軍這個部分的協助希望能夠盡快的讓高雄市民的生活恢復正常在這邊我首先要請\n78985\t92381\t左院長能不能指示國防部來加派人力因為整個風力瞬間陣風最強達到17級我想左院長也看到電視貨櫃整個被風這樣吹翻過來觸目驚心那整個道路\n98428\t124158\t重大的這種大型的樹木真的是都整片的所以說今天停止上班上課就是因為整個路大型的樹木倒成一片還有相關的玻璃碎片造成相關的安全以及校園樹木也都倒很多那也謝謝國軍第八軍團已經派了一千位的我們國軍弟兄來協助救災\n124958\t147315\t例如三民區就有100位 林亞區也有100位但是人力還是不足 這個顧部長我們能不能加派人力以及我們現在最需要的就是大型的這些車輛機械能夠進駐來協助高雄市盡快的恢復市容 讓市民恢復正常的生活來 請顧部長先簡單說明一下\n148916\t151417\t顧部長我提醒你在燕巢有個陸軍工兵訓練中心所稱的\n178545\t178605\t李昆澤\n200573\t227394\t再走不要讓道路整個阻礙這種交通的便利性防禦市民正常的生活我想八千團裡面有相當的那個鏈鋸就可以鋸斷那個數我們一定會全力支援有關的部長我們就加派人力加派車輛加派大型的機械對那至於要把它抓到早期抓到那個部分上面去有沒有問題但是我們人力上如果說\n228575\t245930\t臺電\n246050\t247090\t報告委員目前到最新的4點為止的訊息\n275697\t297877\t高雄市已經來到36,776戶很快的我們相信在晚上大概8點今天晚上12點以前這個作為目標8點就能夠恢復全部的用電嗎這個是我們的目標因為有一些就像你剛才講道路的問題我們是不是能夠搶進\n299318\t302220\t我們現在還在努力我們現在就只剩下水大概有3000多戶\n322523\t326204\t議員長最後我再請教議員長有關於救災的問題不管是7月25號的楷米颱風也謝謝議員長第一時間針對50公分以上的我們相關的這個\n352013\t377691\t受災戶的補助如果再加上高雄市政府可以領到3萬5千元那低收入戶可以中低收入戶可以領到4萬5千元那50公分以下是領5千元但是如果是低收入戶中低收入戶可以領到1萬5千元那這個給高雄市民即時的溫暖那對於市民的這樣一個恢復正常生活是幫助非常的大\n378231\t404977\t那接下來就是說 院長也到高雄市來視察相關的滯洪設施那也提到說 在我們現場的市長以及我們在地名利代表立委的要求那院長也很明快的做出這樣的一個說明跟補充就是說 針對高雄市所需的短中長期的治水預算大概要35億元 那短期的\n405717\t424730\t大概就是以這個第二預備金或是救災準備金來做支付那中長期的可能就是要到明年的預算或是看相關的前瞻預算有沒有剩餘款這個部分支水的預算是非常重要的那我最主要說這個院長這個35億的預算現在有沒有問題\n429854\t450667\t我希望他不成為問題因為他成為問題的話就會變是大家共同的問題因為這不只是高雄市相關的治水的預算是全台灣各縣市不分黨派重要的治水預算防災的預算因為你現在是極端氣候這種極端氣候的思念各縣市都有可能面臨相關的重大的風災水災\n452808\t481688\t臺美颱風之後我們增加了159億總數達到551億的系統性治水我希望他一定要能夠適時的派上用場另外院長我有提到說在2010年法納比颱風也是造成高雄市的重大的水災的災情當然我們一般傳統有50公分以上的補助或50公分以下的補助\n482088\t505406\t但是在過去對於集合式住宅大廈大樓是沒有補助的當然有人說大廈大樓不會陰水但是它有地下室地下室如果進水進去它相關的配電設施消防設施電梯設施相關的這些機電的設施等等其實就面臨很大修復的一個問題像\n508117\t530146\t議員長所知道的在這一次7月25號的這樣的一個凱利颱風所造成的這個衝擊對三民區對高雄市這個大樓就有影響那記得在華納比颱風的時候當時的市長陳菊市長有向中央申請相關的補助有一筆3500萬的相關的補助是以\n534209\t534469\t執行委員：李昆澤\n563759\t573125\t就是因為他們是大樓他們沒有什麼50公分以上或50公分以下的這種補助那這種行政院會不會去做思考去做調整或是來給予補助請院長說明\n575506\t595431\t好首先非常委員前兩天也非常的辛苦及時提供給高雄市政府團隊跟應變中心相當多的資訊讓我們能夠掌握那麼做必要的處置那委員已經不只一次關心到大樓底下地下室這個機電設備受損的狀況那我們每一次在災害之後都會\n596391\t596751\t施政委員：李昆澤\n620521\t649234\t那我們是在想想看這個損失這個大樓數量是這樣子損失到底有多少那我們可以跟市政府團隊再來研究看看那我也知道現在還要聽說說有一些大樓本身的防水設備那這個部分我想我們統一的來衡量看看我現在是準備如果時間上允許地方上也可能禮拜天後天是不是能夠到現場我們再去了解實際的狀況之後我會跟部長再做精密的一個研究\n649974\t650074\t陳世凱部長\n672937\t690951\t陳部長您好,針對這種極端型氣候對於我們交通安全的衝擊是非常的大,尤其這一次的三坨爾颱風不管是公路系統或是鐵道系統,它相關受到風災衝擊之後相關安全的檢視是非常重要\n691511\t712354\t當然我們會基於公班他們在復原的這樣狀況安全是最重要的第二是安全的這樣道路不管是鐵道公路的安全品質足不足以負荷人民的這種交通的需求那這次風災之後你們針對公路以及鐵路有沒有相關的這樣一個檢視的程序呢\n713603\t734539\t報告委員您比較關心的部分全台的這個公路系統我們現在也都有固定定期的這個邊坡的檢視像今天在基隆那個國一高速公路基隆南下的部分在上高速公路的地方邊坡就坍塌了也造成淹水所以就早上先封閉一直到10點半\n735539\t761044\t這個部分我們針對編撥會做一個總體檢在這次的颱風過後會做一個總體檢所以高速公路的部分是這個樣子那公路跟鐵路的部分其實大家比較擔心的會是東部的部分那東部的部分因為4月3號的這個地震之後那個編撥其實是非常的鬆動所以我們幾個防治的作為第一個就是說跟氣象署合作我們做一個QPE Plus的一個系統\n762605\t779764\t針對上面最上邊波的氣候的管理如果有比較嚴重的下雨或者是比較極端的氣候的狀況的時候我們會先有一個告警那另外在中邊波的部分我們會跨部會的跟例如說農業部例如說水利署來做合作做這個告警系統\n780345\t798636\t那另外針對公路跟鐵路的聯防的部分我們自己也有建構自己的告警系統我們總共建置了26處在崇德跟是何人中間部長剛才有提到有關於東部的鐵路及公路相關的交通安全那在東部的公路跟鐵路的交通安全裡面有一段最重要的就是何人跟崇德之間\n800237\t814132\t他不管是有原本的這種蘇花案的計畫改善計畫也在這個路段裡面以及相關的台九縣他相關的這樣的一個土石流或這樣一個零流崩塌的情形也非常的嚴重\n814733\t840675\t更因為這一段和忍跟崇德之間接下來造成台鐵相關的這些軌道的淹沒等等這些對於民眾的安全衝擊非常的大讓民眾有個安全的道路所以在相關的我們針對和忍崇德不管是所謂的蘇花安或者是台九線或者是台鐵公司相關的安全現在你們處理的程序跟進度是如何\n841595\t870051\t報告委員我們目前有26處的告警系統都已經完成在北回也好宜蘭也好臺東也好花蓮這一段比較危險的地方那另外針對容易落石跟土石流的部分有8處的這個實體的阻隔以及告警系統我們在明年的4月份會完成那另外我們還會建置15處針對鐵路跟公路的比較危險的地段我們在明年的年中之前也會完成這個告警系統部長你要加強這些邊坡的預警以及\n870791\t871011\t李昆澤\n888239\t901995\t臺20高雄的明霸客路橋它的便當又被沖毀什麼時候可以復原你掌握狀況報告委員我們盡量在趕明天晚上6點之前讓它完成人車都可以通行的狀態在明天晚上18點也是6點之前\n902855\t922114\t這個部門要加強的督促我們對於臺鐵的交通安全其實是非常重視以及相關的公路系統這個院長也會來督促交通部針對人民不管是哪個區域西部東部也好對於交通的便利安全一定有一個權利的督促來部長院長最後簡單說明\n923593\t923813\t李昆澤委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席請一下左院長還有國防部顧部長經濟部郭部長麻煩再請左院長相關部會事項備詢\n議員長好保障人民生命財產安全是行政院最重要的工作那這一次山頭颱風對南部尤其是高雄造成重大的鋒利的這樣的一個衝擊跟傷害\n在整個過程裡面我也要先謝謝卓院長不管是臺電或自來水公司、水利署以及相關的部會在整個尤其是國軍這個部分的協助希望能夠盡快的讓高雄市民的生活恢復正常在這邊我首先要請\n左院長能不能指示國防部來加派人力因為整個風力瞬間陣風最強達到17級我想左院長也看到電視貨櫃整個被風這樣吹翻過來觸目驚心那整個道路\n重大的這種大型的樹木真的是都整片的所以說今天停止上班上課就是因為整個路大型的樹木倒成一片還有相關的玻璃碎片造成相關的安全以及校園樹木也都倒很多那也謝謝國軍第八軍團已經派了一千位的我們國軍弟兄來協助救災\n例如三民區就有100位 林亞區也有100位但是人力還是不足 這個顧部長我們能不能加派人力以及我們現在最需要的就是大型的這些車輛機械能夠進駐來協助高雄市盡快的恢復市容 讓市民恢復正常的生活來 請顧部長先簡單說明一下\n顧部長我提醒你在燕巢有個陸軍工兵訓練中心所稱的\n李昆澤\n再走不要讓道路整個阻礙這種交通的便利性防禦市民正常的生活我想八千團裡面有相當的那個鏈鋸就可以鋸斷那個數我們一定會全力支援有關的部長我們就加派人力加派車輛加派大型的機械對那至於要把它抓到早期抓到那個部分上面去有沒有問題但是我們人力上如果說\n臺電\n報告委員目前到最新的4點為止的訊息\n高雄市已經來到36,776戶很快的我們相信在晚上大概8點今天晚上12點以前這個作為目標8點就能夠恢復全部的用電嗎這個是我們的目標因為有一些就像你剛才講道路的問題我們是不是能夠搶進\n我們現在還在努力我們現在就只剩下水大概有3000多戶\n議員長最後我再請教議員長有關於救災的問題不管是7月25號的楷米颱風也謝謝議員長第一時間針對50公分以上的我們相關的這個\n受災戶的補助如果再加上高雄市政府可以領到3萬5千元那低收入戶可以中低收入戶可以領到4萬5千元那50公分以下是領5千元但是如果是低收入戶中低收入戶可以領到1萬5千元那這個給高雄市民即時的溫暖那對於市民的這樣一個恢復正常生活是幫助非常的大\n那接下來就是說 院長也到高雄市來視察相關的滯洪設施那也提到說 在我們現場的市長以及我們在地名利代表立委的要求那院長也很明快的做出這樣的一個說明跟補充就是說 針對高雄市所需的短中長期的治水預算大概要35億元 那短期的\n大概就是以這個第二預備金或是救災準備金來做支付那中長期的可能就是要到明年的預算或是看相關的前瞻預算有沒有剩餘款這個部分支水的預算是非常重要的那我最主要說這個院長這個35億的預算現在有沒有問題\n我希望他不成為問題因為他成為問題的話就會變是大家共同的問題因為這不只是高雄市相關的治水的預算是全台灣各縣市不分黨派重要的治水預算防災的預算因為你現在是極端氣候這種極端氣候的思念各縣市都有可能面臨相關的重大的風災水災\n臺美颱風之後我們增加了159億總數達到551億的系統性治水我希望他一定要能夠適時的派上用場另外院長我有提到說在2010年法納比颱風也是造成高雄市的重大的水災的災情當然我們一般傳統有50公分以上的補助或50公分以下的補助\n但是在過去對於集合式住宅大廈大樓是沒有補助的當然有人說大廈大樓不會陰水但是它有地下室地下室如果進水進去它相關的配電設施消防設施電梯設施相關的這些機電的設施等等其實就面臨很大修復的一個問題像\n議員長所知道的在這一次7月25號的這樣的一個凱利颱風所造成的這個衝擊對三民區對高雄市這個大樓就有影響那記得在華納比颱風的時候當時的市長陳菊市長有向中央申請相關的補助有一筆3500萬的相關的補助是以\n執行委員：李昆澤\n就是因為他們是大樓他們沒有什麼50公分以上或50公分以下的這種補助那這種行政院會不會去做思考去做調整或是來給予補助請院長說明\n好首先非常委員前兩天也非常的辛苦及時提供給高雄市政府團隊跟應變中心相當多的資訊讓我們能夠掌握那麼做必要的處置那委員已經不只一次關心到大樓底下地下室這個機電設備受損的狀況那我們每一次在災害之後都會\n施政委員：李昆澤\n那我們是在想想看這個損失這個大樓數量是這樣子損失到底有多少那我們可以跟市政府團隊再來研究看看那我也知道現在還要聽說說有一些大樓本身的防水設備那這個部分我想我們統一的來衡量看看我現在是準備如果時間上允許地方上也可能禮拜天後天是不是能夠到現場我們再去了解實際的狀況之後我會跟部長再做精密的一個研究\n陳世凱部長\n陳部長您好,針對這種極端型氣候對於我們交通安全的衝擊是非常的大,尤其這一次的三坨爾颱風不管是公路系統或是鐵道系統,它相關受到風災衝擊之後相關安全的檢視是非常重要\n當然我們會基於公班他們在復原的這樣狀況安全是最重要的第二是安全的這樣道路不管是鐵道公路的安全品質足不足以負荷人民的這種交通的需求那這次風災之後你們針對公路以及鐵路有沒有相關的這樣一個檢視的程序呢\n報告委員您比較關心的部分全台的這個公路系統我們現在也都有固定定期的這個邊坡的檢視像今天在基隆那個國一高速公路基隆南下的部分在上高速公路的地方邊坡就坍塌了也造成淹水所以就早上先封閉一直到10點半\n這個部分我們針對編撥會做一個總體檢在這次的颱風過後會做一個總體檢所以高速公路的部分是這個樣子那公路跟鐵路的部分其實大家比較擔心的會是東部的部分那東部的部分因為4月3號的這個地震之後那個編撥其實是非常的鬆動所以我們幾個防治的作為第一個就是說跟氣象署合作我們做一個QPE Plus的一個系統\n針對上面最上邊波的氣候的管理如果有比較嚴重的下雨或者是比較極端的氣候的狀況的時候我們會先有一個告警那另外在中邊波的部分我們會跨部會的跟例如說農業部例如說水利署來做合作做這個告警系統\n那另外針對公路跟鐵路的聯防的部分我們自己也有建構自己的告警系統我們總共建置了26處在崇德跟是何人中間部長剛才有提到有關於東部的鐵路及公路相關的交通安全那在東部的公路跟鐵路的交通安全裡面有一段最重要的就是何人跟崇德之間\n他不管是有原本的這種蘇花案的計畫改善計畫也在這個路段裡面以及相關的台九縣他相關的這樣的一個土石流或這樣一個零流崩塌的情形也非常的嚴重\n更因為這一段和忍跟崇德之間接下來造成台鐵相關的這些軌道的淹沒等等這些對於民眾的安全衝擊非常的大讓民眾有個安全的道路所以在相關的我們針對和忍崇德不管是所謂的蘇花安或者是台九線或者是台鐵公司相關的安全現在你們處理的程序跟進度是如何\n報告委員我們目前有26處的告警系統都已經完成在北回也好宜蘭也好臺東也好花蓮這一段比較危險的地方那另外針對容易落石跟土石流的部分有8處的這個實體的阻隔以及告警系統我們在明年的4月份會完成那另外我們還會建置15處針對鐵路跟公路的比較危險的地段我們在明年的年中之前也會完成這個告警系統部長你要加強這些邊坡的預警以及\n李昆澤\n臺20高雄的明霸客路橋它的便當又被沖毀什麼時候可以復原你掌握狀況報告委員我們盡量在趕明天晚上6點之前讓它完成人車都可以通行的狀態在明天晚上18點也是6點之前\n這個部門要加強的督促我們對於臺鐵的交通安全其實是非常重視以及相關的公路系統這個院長也會來督促交通部針對人民不管是哪個區域西部東部也好對於交通的便利安全一定有一個權利的督促來部長院長最後簡單說明\n李昆澤委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:21.084 --> 00:31.818\n謝謝主席請一下左院長還有國防部顧部長經濟部郭部長麻煩再請左院長相關部會事項備詢\n\n00:40.680 --> 00:56.051\n議員長好保障人民生命財產安全是行政院最重要的工作那這一次山頭颱風對南部尤其是高雄造成重大的鋒利的這樣的一個衝擊跟傷害\n\n00:57.752 --> 01:17.844\n在整個過程裡面我也要先謝謝卓院長不管是臺電或自來水公司、水利署以及相關的部會在整個尤其是國軍這個部分的協助希望能夠盡快的讓高雄市民的生活恢復正常在這邊我首先要請\n\n01:18.985 --> 01:32.381\n左院長能不能指示國防部來加派人力因為整個風力瞬間陣風最強達到17級我想左院長也看到電視貨櫃整個被風這樣吹翻過來觸目驚心那整個道路\n\n01:38.428 --> 02:04.158\n重大的這種大型的樹木真的是都整片的所以說今天停止上班上課就是因為整個路大型的樹木倒成一片還有相關的玻璃碎片造成相關的安全以及校園樹木也都倒很多那也謝謝國軍第八軍團已經派了一千位的我們國軍弟兄來協助救災\n\n02:04.958 --> 02:27.315\n例如三民區就有100位林亞區也有100位但是人力還是不足這個顧部長我們能不能加派人力以及我們現在最需要的就是大型的這些車輛機械能夠進駐來協助高雄市盡快的恢復市容讓市民恢復正常的生活來請顧部長先簡單說明一下\n\n02:28.916 --> 02:31.417\n顧部長我提醒你在燕巢有個陸軍工兵訓練中心所稱的\n\n02:58.545 --> 02:58.605\n李昆澤\n\n03:20.573 --> 03:47.394\n再走不要讓道路整個阻礙這種交通的便利性防禦市民正常的生活我想八千團裡面有相當的那個鏈鋸就可以鋸斷那個數我們一定會全力支援有關的部長我們就加派人力加派車輛加派大型的機械對那至於要把它抓到早期抓到那個部分上面去有沒有問題但是我們人力上如果說\n\n04:06.050 --> 04:07.090\n報告委員目前到最新的4點為止的訊息\n\n04:35.697 --> 04:57.877\n高雄市已經來到36,776戶很快的我們相信在晚上大概8點今天晚上12點以前這個作為目標8點就能夠恢復全部的用電嗎這個是我們的目標因為有一些就像你剛才講道路的問題我們是不是能夠搶進\n\n04:59.318 --> 05:02.220\n我們現在還在努力我們現在就只剩下水大概有3000多戶\n\n05:22.523 --> 05:26.204\n議員長最後我再請教議員長有關於救災的問題不管是7月25號的楷米颱風也謝謝議員長第一時間針對50公分以上的我們相關的這個\n\n05:52.013 --> 06:17.691\n受災戶的補助如果再加上高雄市政府可以領到3萬5千元那低收入戶可以中低收入戶可以領到4萬5千元那50公分以下是領5千元但是如果是低收入戶中低收入戶可以領到1萬5千元那這個給高雄市民即時的溫暖那對於市民的這樣一個恢復正常生活是幫助非常的大\n\n06:18.231 --> 06:44.977\n那接下來就是說院長也到高雄市來視察相關的滯洪設施那也提到說在我們現場的市長以及我們在地名利代表立委的要求那院長也很明快的做出這樣的一個說明跟補充就是說針對高雄市所需的短中長期的治水預算大概要35億元那短期的\n\n06:45.717 --> 07:04.730\n大概就是以這個第二預備金或是救災準備金來做支付那中長期的可能就是要到明年的預算或是看相關的前瞻預算有沒有剩餘款這個部分支水的預算是非常重要的那我最主要說這個院長這個35億的預算現在有沒有問題\n\n07:09.854 --> 07:30.667\n我希望他不成為問題因為他成為問題的話就會變是大家共同的問題因為這不只是高雄市相關的治水的預算是全台灣各縣市不分黨派重要的治水預算防災的預算因為你現在是極端氣候這種極端氣候的思念各縣市都有可能面臨相關的重大的風災水災\n\n07:32.808 --> 08:01.688\n臺美颱風之後我們增加了159億總數達到551億的系統性治水我希望他一定要能夠適時的派上用場另外院長我有提到說在2010年法納比颱風也是造成高雄市的重大的水災的災情當然我們一般傳統有50公分以上的補助或50公分以下的補助\n\n08:02.088 --> 08:25.406\n但是在過去對於集合式住宅大廈大樓是沒有補助的當然有人說大廈大樓不會陰水但是它有地下室地下室如果進水進去它相關的配電設施消防設施電梯設施相關的這些機電的設施等等其實就面臨很大修復的一個問題像\n\n08:28.117 --> 08:50.146\n議員長所知道的在這一次7月25號的這樣的一個凱利颱風所造成的這個衝擊對三民區對高雄市這個大樓就有影響那記得在華納比颱風的時候當時的市長陳菊市長有向中央申請相關的補助有一筆3500萬的相關的補助是以\n\n08:54.209 --> 08:54.469\n執行委員：李昆澤\n\n09:23.759 --> 09:33.125\n就是因為他們是大樓他們沒有什麼50公分以上或50公分以下的這種補助那這種行政院會不會去做思考去做調整或是來給予補助請院長說明\n\n09:35.506 --> 09:55.431\n好首先非常委員前兩天也非常的辛苦及時提供給高雄市政府團隊跟應變中心相當多的資訊讓我們能夠掌握那麼做必要的處置那委員已經不只一次關心到大樓底下地下室這個機電設備受損的狀況那我們每一次在災害之後都會\n\n09:56.391 --> 09:56.751\n施政委員：李昆澤\n\n10:20.521 --> 10:49.234\n那我們是在想想看這個損失這個大樓數量是這樣子損失到底有多少那我們可以跟市政府團隊再來研究看看那我也知道現在還要聽說說有一些大樓本身的防水設備那這個部分我想我們統一的來衡量看看我現在是準備如果時間上允許地方上也可能禮拜天後天是不是能夠到現場我們再去了解實際的狀況之後我會跟部長再做精密的一個研究\n\n10:49.974 --> 10:50.074\n陳世凱部長\n\n11:12.937 --> 11:30.951\n陳部長您好,針對這種極端型氣候對於我們交通安全的衝擊是非常的大,尤其這一次的三坨爾颱風不管是公路系統或是鐵道系統,它相關受到風災衝擊之後相關安全的檢視是非常重要\n\n11:31.511 --> 11:52.354\n當然我們會基於公班他們在復原的這樣狀況安全是最重要的第二是安全的這樣道路不管是鐵道公路的安全品質足不足以負荷人民的這種交通的需求那這次風災之後你們針對公路以及鐵路有沒有相關的這樣一個檢視的程序呢\n\n11:53.603 --> 12:14.539\n報告委員您比較關心的部分全台的這個公路系統我們現在也都有固定定期的這個邊坡的檢視像今天在基隆那個國一高速公路基隆南下的部分在上高速公路的地方邊坡就坍塌了也造成淹水所以就早上先封閉一直到10點半\n\n12:15.539 --> 12:41.044\n這個部分我們針對編撥會做一個總體檢在這次的颱風過後會做一個總體檢所以高速公路的部分是這個樣子那公路跟鐵路的部分其實大家比較擔心的會是東部的部分那東部的部分因為4月3號的這個地震之後那個編撥其實是非常的鬆動所以我們幾個防治的作為第一個就是說跟氣象署合作我們做一個QPEPlus的一個系統\n\n12:42.605 --> 12:59.764\n針對上面最上邊波的氣候的管理如果有比較嚴重的下雨或者是比較極端的氣候的狀況的時候我們會先有一個告警那另外在中邊波的部分我們會跨部會的跟例如說農業部例如說水利署來做合作做這個告警系統\n\n13:00.345 --> 13:18.636\n那另外針對公路跟鐵路的聯防的部分我們自己也有建構自己的告警系統我們總共建置了26處在崇德跟是何人中間部長剛才有提到有關於東部的鐵路及公路相關的交通安全那在東部的公路跟鐵路的交通安全裡面有一段最重要的就是何人跟崇德之間\n\n13:20.237 --> 13:34.132\n他不管是有原本的這種蘇花案的計畫改善計畫也在這個路段裡面以及相關的台九縣他相關的這樣的一個土石流或這樣一個零流崩塌的情形也非常的嚴重\n\n13:34.733 --> 14:00.675\n更因為這一段和忍跟崇德之間接下來造成台鐵相關的這些軌道的淹沒等等這些對於民眾的安全衝擊非常的大讓民眾有個安全的道路所以在相關的我們針對和忍崇德不管是所謂的蘇花安或者是台九線或者是台鐵公司相關的安全現在你們處理的程序跟進度是如何\n\n14:01.595 --> 14:30.051\n報告委員我們目前有26處的告警系統都已經完成在北回也好宜蘭也好臺東也好花蓮這一段比較危險的地方那另外針對容易落石跟土石流的部分有8處的這個實體的阻隔以及告警系統我們在明年的4月份會完成那另外我們還會建置15處針對鐵路跟公路的比較危險的地段我們在明年的年中之前也會完成這個告警系統部長你要加強這些邊坡的預警以及\n\n14:30.791 --> 14:31.011\n李昆澤\n\n14:48.239 --> 15:01.995\n臺20高雄的明霸客路橋它的便當又被沖毀什麼時候可以復原你掌握狀況報告委員我們盡量在趕明天晚上6點之前讓它完成人車都可以通行的狀態在明天晚上18點也是6點之前\n\n15:02.855 --> 15:22.114\n這個部門要加強的督促我們對於臺鐵的交通安全其實是非常重視以及相關的公路系統這個院長也會來督促交通部針對人民不管是哪個區域西部東部也好對於交通的便利安全一定有一個權利的督促來部長院長最後簡單說明\n\n15:23.593 --> 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