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00:01:46,390\n您念了一下,量一下啦。不會全責分工的角度來看這個檢探當然是要環境部跟衛福部大家一起合作啦那這個一起推動尤其是政策推動的這個部分那但是我要談的就是說其實這個醫療機構裡面的每一項活動都是非常高度的專業他要對這個醫務的管理或是整個機構的運作是相當熟悉那以這個角度來看其實衛福部是\n\n6\n00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:47,310\n陳昭姿\n\n7\n00:02:15,046 --> 00:02:35,329\n醫療機構檢探的指標來引領整個這個醫療事業這是我們的期待好那接下來就是也是環境部可能要多擔一點責任為了因應全球的氣候變遷等等還有以及全世界都在做這個進行排放的這樣的一個趨勢跟努力那各部會都一定要從方方面面來一起著手\n\n8\n00:02:36,109 --> 00:03:04,615\n請問部長您的團隊目前對於如何串聯各部會進行檢探是不是有一套比較具體清楚的一個協調跟支持機制呢?包委員這個目前由行政院的鄭麗君副院長也跨級召集所有的各部會那我們現在在重新盤點因為包含2030、2032、2035我們都有一個新的目標所以我們很積極在盤點所以也請委員再給我們一點點時間因為其實如果照各部會目前算出來的量是很難檢探的\n\n9\n00:03:05,755 --> 00:03:12,399\n我們現在正在用一個更有野心更有企圖的方式來進行其實簡單的議題其實牽涉太多部門了我們瞭解但除了開會討論之外其實這個具體的行動一定要趕快來跟上我也希望未來的溝通是順利的那麼未來我們才瞭解一下這個進度\n\n10\n00:03:22,465 --> 00:03:50,039\n您也提到日前衛福部及環境部有舉辦了一個非常盛大的綠色醫療就是醫院主管高階主管領航營的活動老實說本席認為過去衛福部在這個領域綠色醫療做得還不夠多其實說等於還沒有做除了今年3月公布了一些醫療院所探排查的結果之外目前針對如何檢探都還沒有提出一些具體的資料\n\n11\n00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:50,939\n好,沒問題\n\n12\n00:04:09,127 --> 00:04:23,389\n那我想請教彭部長針對醫療機構檢探有哪些策略上建議?第一個您有一些想法了嗎?第二個您覺得威福部是不是也要編列預算來配合這樣簡單活動?包委第一個是我們跟經濟部跟經管會\n\n13\n00:04:25,111 --> 00:04:52,606\n我們三個部位有合作然後我們要用深度節能的方式那我們有做好分類有的是負責公立醫院像我們環境部是要負責私立醫院等於是說我們會編列一個我建議醫院不要馬上做盤查啦把節能最重要節能例如說他省了多少電省了就可以少繳一些支出所以我們目前呢應該在未來這一兩個月內會公佈我們會一套的做法深度節能幫助醫療系統深度節能的做法會出來\n\n14\n00:04:53,306 --> 00:05:13,022\n所以你覺得你建議並不是覺得先做探盤查因為醫療機構我們當然是希望能夠做啦但是探盤查對醫療機構的這個負擔也是一筆支出啦所以我們會覺得說先檢探先檢探是最重要的這是很重要的好前一張前一張好那我也希望這個前一張照片再前一張\n\n15\n00:05:14,415 --> 00:05:31,161\n希望這個次長不要哪個醫院他通過淡白的趕快去沾光沾光以後就是官員也少做這種事大家聽到了專家環境部說最重要先節能先節能這個是很不一樣很重要的一個專業的想法回到這個\n\n16\n00:05:35,356 --> 00:05:35,536\n有人知道嗎?\n\n17\n00:06:06,448 --> 00:06:27,163\n天然災害廢棄物應該是沒有因為當時在公告裡面有兩個點我想第一個事業部分由事業自行清除或委託公民營的這個廢棄物清除機構執行機關來代為這是其中一點第二點是釋然性就是可然性的部分優先用焚化的方式來處理\n\n18\n00:06:28,624 --> 00:06:44,313\n那麼就算這個處理執行原則並沒有公告但是目前我們有這個廢棄物清理法的及相關的這個執法應該還是要按照一般的這個做法來做所以我想請教由事業執行清除或委託公民營廢棄物清除機構執行機關來執行清除這樣是正確的嗎報告委員我請問我們的防災處\n\n19\n00:06:55,936 --> 00:06:57,338\n主管機關來負責他的一個監督跟他執行\n\n20\n00:07:07,947 --> 00:07:27,980\n那就不是事業自行清除囉?您談的是這一點喔?他應該是自行清除或委託公民委員會去處理那剛剛我講那個原則是沒有問題嘛就基本上是那我今天想詢問的是部長你是不是知道現在各縣市環保局的公有焚化爐幾乎不收釋然性可燃性的事業廢棄物您知道這件事嗎?那你知道為什麼嗎?他不收欸\n\n21\n00:07:34,396 --> 00:07:53,524\n跟委員報告那個收的原則是要跟一般廢棄物相容的他才會收那有些事業他是比較高的沒關係我跟你講簡單的說因為一般的廢棄物都處理不來了所以事業廢棄物根本就沒得處理部長現在連長照機構產出的這個事業廢棄物現在都沒地方去欸\n\n22\n00:07:54,204 --> 00:08:19,300\n那更不要說工廠出來的這個廢棄物那這一次天災造成的失業廢棄物自然沒處可去啊部長這個問題很嚴重啊就是做不到嘛就是根本沒處可去啊包委員其實如果天災的話是先放在那個地方其實做好土炭處理不是馬上拿去燒啦好那我們來看一下廢棄物清理法基本上按照廢棄物清理法第28條就是說民生廢棄物是優先啦\n\n23\n00:08:23,823 --> 00:08:24,003\n陳昭姿\n\n24\n00:08:39,125 --> 00:09:00,737\n那世界這個環境部根本無從調度為什麼呢因為現在公有的這個焚化爐根本沒有餘裕啊那你的調度權呢這個部分你有解方嗎要有餘裕那這個原則我們是支持的就先處理民生廢棄物但是現在根本沒有餘裕了那你後面的調度權就不用談了現在有解方嗎\n\n25\n00:09:01,656 --> 00:09:31,148\n包委員其實每個縣市它的失業廢棄物因為它是焚化爐都有跟地方政府有簽約有的是BOT的方式所以它還是有在處理失業廢棄物那現在因為剛剛好了剛剛還非常的滿所以這個問題就會出來了那你剛才說到的時候遇到天災的時候有餘裕啊有餘裕現在遇到天災的時候就必須說先分類好然後我們再做同一個調鋪那焚化爐只是處理的一個部分而已包含了掩埋或是整個的回收再利用都是一個處理的方式\n\n26\n00:09:31,308 --> 00:09:31,528\n事實上現在是這樣的\n\n27\n00:10:01,611 --> 00:10:13,586\n有靠山的業者他就能夠分配到這個進場權配額沒有靠山沒有辦法那這樣後來有時候會造成地方政治人物他就是去作梗啊所以環境部是不是要來解決這個問題那你們的SOP是什麼\n\n28\n00:10:17,216 --> 00:10:39,711\n目前其實報告委員其實例如說以臺北市來說的話他只願意接受外面的大概只有3%所以其實這個問題說委員是是很大嗎3%等於沒有對主席再給我一下子快好了快好了那排隊進場量因為沒有確切的這個許可這個許可保證等於任由市場喊喊喊量喊價齁那沒排到隊的人怎麼辦呢請問部長假如今天工有焚化爐齁\n\n29\n00:10:41,272 --> 00:10:41,312\n﹚陳昭姿\n\n30\n00:11:01,556 --> 00:11:28,296\n那如果沒有辦法根本解決公營的這個焚化爐的問題的處理量呢而且平均讓大家能夠平均的進場這個就助長非法的那個爛到啊部長對不對這個問題所以我最後兩頁投影片就是希望我有一個全循環的這個科技園區啦能夠來重新來處理因為現在其實我們環境部喔您說的沒錯這個時程要很快啦要很快對部長對於各地方政府的公營焚化爐公營化爐要如何公平的分配給\n\n31\n00:11:29,176 --> 00:11:39,406\n各業者的進場權環境部現在有沒有一個底因為我還是要強調就是說環境部目前還是沒有真正對事物廢棄物有一個好的規劃\n\n32\n00:11:41,364 --> 00:11:58,165\n因為那個是要事業主管機關那個經濟部要負擔很大的責任那我們也要求他的各種工業區他必須要自己來處理那部長那最後就我們大概什麼時候可以有個答案嗎就是對於整體事業廢棄物的規劃的部分包括公有的量能問題然後分配權的問題\n\n33\n00:11:59,446 --> 00:12:00,548\n我們希望看到整個完整規劃看到進度\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7108\t8151\t謝謝主席 有請彭部長\n12816\t35175\t委員早部長早安部長沒想到會期一開始邱部長跟您就一起上新聞了那邱部長說這個環境部應該要編列足夠的資源來幫助醫療院所進行檢探我覺得他的意思好像是說這個檢探的責任要歸在環境部那部長覺得委屈嗎\n37036\t51946\t其實不會委屈啦,就是說,委員會給我20秒還原一下齁其實總統是很關心,院長也很關心,我們常常在開會要如何檢探啦那總統是覺得我們跟衛福部辦了一個綠色醫療的活動,那這個很好\n52426\t52626\t陳昭姿\n78524\t106390\t您念了一下,量一下啦。 不會全責分工的角度來看這個檢探當然是要環境部跟衛福部大家一起合作啦那這個一起推動尤其是政策推動的這個部分那但是我要談的就是說其實這個醫療機構裡面的每一項活動都是非常高度的專業他要對這個醫務的管理或是整個機構的運作是相當熟悉那以這個角度來看其實衛福部是\n107270\t107310\t陳昭姿\n135046\t155329\t醫療機構檢探的指標來引領整個這個醫療事業這是我們的期待好那接下來就是也是環境部可能要多擔一點責任為了因應全球的氣候變遷等等還有以及全世界都在做這個進行排放的這樣的一個趨勢跟努力那各部會都一定要從方方面面來一起著手\n156109\t184615\t請問部長您的團隊目前對於如何串聯各部會進行檢探是不是有一套比較具體清楚的一個協調跟支持機制呢?包委員這個目前由行政院的鄭麗君副院長也跨級召集所有的各部會那我們現在在重新盤點因為包含2030、2032、2035我們都有一個新的目標所以我們很積極在盤點所以也請委員再給我們一點點時間因為其實如果照各部會目前算出來的量是很難檢探的\n185755\t192399\t我們現在正在用一個更有野心更有企圖的方式來進行其實簡單的議題其實牽涉太多部門了我們瞭解但除了開會討論之外其實這個具體的行動一定要趕快來跟上我也希望未來的溝通是順利的那麼未來我們才瞭解一下這個進度\n202465\t230039\t您也提到日前衛福部及環境部有舉辦了一個非常盛大的綠色醫療就是醫院主管高階主管領航營的活動老實說本席認為過去衛福部在這個領域綠色醫療做得還不夠多其實說等於還沒有做除了今年3月公布了一些醫療院所探排查的結果之外目前針對如何檢探都還沒有提出一些具體的資料\n230879\t230939\t好,沒問題\n249127\t263389\t那我想請教彭部長針對醫療機構檢探有哪些策略上建議?第一個您有一些想法了嗎?第二個您覺得威福部是不是也要編列預算來配合這樣簡單活動?包委第一個是我們跟經濟部跟經管會\n265111\t292606\t我們三個部位有合作然後我們要用深度節能的方式那我們有做好分類有的是負責公立醫院像我們環境部是要負責私立醫院等於是說我們會編列一個我建議醫院不要馬上做盤查啦把節能最重要節能例如說他省了多少電省了就可以少繳一些支出所以我們目前呢應該在未來這一兩個月內會公佈我們會一套的做法深度節能幫助醫療系統深度節能的做法會出來\n293306\t313022\t所以你覺得你建議並不是覺得先做探盤查因為醫療機構我們當然是希望能夠做啦但是探盤查對醫療機構的這個負擔也是一筆支出啦所以我們會覺得說先檢探先檢探是最重要的這是很重要的好前一張前一張好那我也希望這個前一張照片再前一張\n314415\t331161\t希望這個次長不要哪個醫院他通過淡白的趕快去沾光沾光以後就是官員也少做這種事大家聽到了專家環境部說最重要先節能先節能這個是很不一樣很重要的一個專業的想法回到這個\n335356\t335536\t有人知道嗎?\n366448\t387163\t天然災害廢棄物應該是沒有因為當時在公告裡面有兩個點我想第一個事業部分由事業自行清除或委託公民營的這個廢棄物清除機構執行機關來代為這是其中一點第二點是釋然性就是可然性的部分優先用焚化的方式來處理\n388624\t404313\t那麼就算這個處理執行原則並沒有公告但是目前我們有這個廢棄物清理法的及相關的這個執法應該還是要按照一般的這個做法來做所以我想請教由事業執行清除或委託公民營廢棄物清除機構執行機關來執行清除這樣是正確的嗎報告委員我請問我們的防災處\n415936\t417338\t主管機關來負責他的一個監督跟他執行\n427947\t447980\t那就不是事業自行清除囉?您談的是這一點喔?他應該是自行清除或委託公民委員會去處理那剛剛我講那個原則是沒有問題嘛就基本上是那我今天想詢問的是部長你是不是知道現在各縣市環保局的公有焚化爐幾乎不收釋然性可燃性的事業廢棄物您知道這件事嗎?那你知道為什麼嗎?他不收欸\n454396\t473524\t跟委員報告那個收的原則是要跟一般廢棄物相容的他才會收那有些事業他是比較高的沒關係我跟你講簡單的說因為一般的廢棄物都處理不來了所以事業廢棄物根本就沒得處理部長現在連長照機構產出的這個事業廢棄物現在都沒地方去欸\n474204\t499300\t那更不要說工廠出來的這個廢棄物那這一次天災造成的失業廢棄物自然沒處可去啊部長這個問題很嚴重啊就是做不到嘛就是根本沒處可去啊包委員其實如果天災的話是先放在那個地方其實做好土炭處理不是馬上拿去燒啦好那我們來看一下廢棄物清理法基本上按照廢棄物清理法第28條就是說民生廢棄物是優先啦\n503823\t504003\t陳昭姿\n519125\t540737\t那世界這個環境部根本無從調度為什麼呢因為現在公有的這個焚化爐根本沒有餘裕啊那你的調度權呢這個部分你有解方嗎要有餘裕那這個原則我們是支持的就先處理民生廢棄物但是現在根本沒有餘裕了那你後面的調度權就不用談了現在有解方嗎\n541656\t571148\t包委員其實每個縣市它的失業廢棄物因為它是焚化爐都有跟地方政府有簽約有的是BOT的方式所以它還是有在處理失業廢棄物那現在因為剛剛好了剛剛還非常的滿所以這個問題就會出來了那你剛才說到的時候遇到天災的時候有餘裕啊有餘裕現在遇到天災的時候就必須說先分類好然後我們再做同一個調鋪那焚化爐只是處理的一個部分而已包含了掩埋或是整個的回收再利用都是一個處理的方式\n571308\t571528\t事實上現在是這樣的\n601611\t613586\t有靠山的業者他就能夠分配到這個進場權配額沒有靠山沒有辦法那這樣後來有時候會造成地方政治人物他就是去作梗啊所以環境部是不是要來解決這個問題那你們的SOP是什麼\n617216\t639711\t目前其實報告委員其實例如說以臺北市來說的話他只願意接受外面的大概只有3%所以其實這個問題說委員是是很大嗎3%等於沒有對主席再給我一下子快好了快好了那排隊進場量因為沒有確切的這個許可這個許可保證等於任由市場喊喊喊量喊價齁那沒排到隊的人怎麼辦呢請問部長假如今天工有焚化爐齁\n641272\t641312\t﹚陳昭姿\n661556\t688296\t那如果沒有辦法根本解決公營的這個焚化爐的問題的處理量呢而且平均讓大家能夠平均的進場這個就助長非法的那個爛到啊部長對不對這個問題所以我最後兩頁投影片就是希望我有一個全循環的這個科技園區啦能夠來重新來處理因為現在其實我們環境部喔您說的沒錯這個時程要很快啦要很快對部長對於各地方政府的公營焚化爐公營化爐要如何公平的分配給\n689176\t699406\t各業者的進場權環境部現在有沒有一個底因為我還是要強調就是說環境部目前還是沒有真正對事物廢棄物有一個好的規劃\n701364\t718165\t因為那個是要事業主管機關那個經濟部要負擔很大的責任那我們也要求他的各種工業區他必須要自己來處理那部長那最後就我們大概什麼時候可以有個答案嗎就是對於整體事業廢棄物的規劃的部分包括公有的量能問題然後分配權的問題\n719446\t720548\t我們希望看到整個完整規劃看到進度\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請彭部長\n委員早部長早安部長沒想到會期一開始邱部長跟您就一起上新聞了那邱部長說這個環境部應該要編列足夠的資源來幫助醫療院所進行檢探我覺得他的意思好像是說這個檢探的責任要歸在環境部那部長覺得委屈嗎\n其實不會委屈啦,就是說,委員會給我20秒還原一下齁其實總統是很關心,院長也很關心,我們常常在開會要如何檢探啦那總統是覺得我們跟衛福部辦了一個綠色醫療的活動,那這個很好\n陳昭姿\n您念了一下,量一下啦。 不會全責分工的角度來看這個檢探當然是要環境部跟衛福部大家一起合作啦那這個一起推動尤其是政策推動的這個部分那但是我要談的就是說其實這個醫療機構裡面的每一項活動都是非常高度的專業他要對這個醫務的管理或是整個機構的運作是相當熟悉那以這個角度來看其實衛福部是\n陳昭姿\n醫療機構檢探的指標來引領整個這個醫療事業這是我們的期待好那接下來就是也是環境部可能要多擔一點責任為了因應全球的氣候變遷等等還有以及全世界都在做這個進行排放的這樣的一個趨勢跟努力那各部會都一定要從方方面面來一起著手\n請問部長您的團隊目前對於如何串聯各部會進行檢探是不是有一套比較具體清楚的一個協調跟支持機制呢?包委員這個目前由行政院的鄭麗君副院長也跨級召集所有的各部會那我們現在在重新盤點因為包含2030、2032、2035我們都有一個新的目標所以我們很積極在盤點所以也請委員再給我們一點點時間因為其實如果照各部會目前算出來的量是很難檢探的\n我們現在正在用一個更有野心更有企圖的方式來進行其實簡單的議題其實牽涉太多部門了我們瞭解但除了開會討論之外其實這個具體的行動一定要趕快來跟上我也希望未來的溝通是順利的那麼未來我們才瞭解一下這個進度\n您也提到日前衛福部及環境部有舉辦了一個非常盛大的綠色醫療就是醫院主管高階主管領航營的活動老實說本席認為過去衛福部在這個領域綠色醫療做得還不夠多其實說等於還沒有做除了今年3月公布了一些醫療院所探排查的結果之外目前針對如何檢探都還沒有提出一些具體的資料\n好,沒問題\n那我想請教彭部長針對醫療機構檢探有哪些策略上建議?第一個您有一些想法了嗎?第二個您覺得威福部是不是也要編列預算來配合這樣簡單活動?包委第一個是我們跟經濟部跟經管會\n我們三個部位有合作然後我們要用深度節能的方式那我們有做好分類有的是負責公立醫院像我們環境部是要負責私立醫院等於是說我們會編列一個我建議醫院不要馬上做盤查啦把節能最重要節能例如說他省了多少電省了就可以少繳一些支出所以我們目前呢應該在未來這一兩個月內會公佈我們會一套的做法深度節能幫助醫療系統深度節能的做法會出來\n所以你覺得你建議並不是覺得先做探盤查因為醫療機構我們當然是希望能夠做啦但是探盤查對醫療機構的這個負擔也是一筆支出啦所以我們會覺得說先檢探先檢探是最重要的這是很重要的好前一張前一張好那我也希望這個前一張照片再前一張\n希望這個次長不要哪個醫院他通過淡白的趕快去沾光沾光以後就是官員也少做這種事大家聽到了專家環境部說最重要先節能先節能這個是很不一樣很重要的一個專業的想法回到這個\n有人知道嗎?\n天然災害廢棄物應該是沒有因為當時在公告裡面有兩個點我想第一個事業部分由事業自行清除或委託公民營的這個廢棄物清除機構執行機關來代為這是其中一點第二點是釋然性就是可然性的部分優先用焚化的方式來處理\n那麼就算這個處理執行原則並沒有公告但是目前我們有這個廢棄物清理法的及相關的這個執法應該還是要按照一般的這個做法來做所以我想請教由事業執行清除或委託公民營廢棄物清除機構執行機關來執行清除這樣是正確的嗎報告委員我請問我們的防災處\n主管機關來負責他的一個監督跟他執行\n那就不是事業自行清除囉?您談的是這一點喔?他應該是自行清除或委託公民委員會去處理那剛剛我講那個原則是沒有問題嘛就基本上是那我今天想詢問的是部長你是不是知道現在各縣市環保局的公有焚化爐幾乎不收釋然性可燃性的事業廢棄物您知道這件事嗎?那你知道為什麼嗎?他不收欸\n跟委員報告那個收的原則是要跟一般廢棄物相容的他才會收那有些事業他是比較高的沒關係我跟你講簡單的說因為一般的廢棄物都處理不來了所以事業廢棄物根本就沒得處理部長現在連長照機構產出的這個事業廢棄物現在都沒地方去欸\n那更不要說工廠出來的這個廢棄物那這一次天災造成的失業廢棄物自然沒處可去啊部長這個問題很嚴重啊就是做不到嘛就是根本沒處可去啊包委員其實如果天災的話是先放在那個地方其實做好土炭處理不是馬上拿去燒啦好那我們來看一下廢棄物清理法基本上按照廢棄物清理法第28條就是說民生廢棄物是優先啦\n陳昭姿\n那世界這個環境部根本無從調度為什麼呢因為現在公有的這個焚化爐根本沒有餘裕啊那你的調度權呢這個部分你有解方嗎要有餘裕那這個原則我們是支持的就先處理民生廢棄物但是現在根本沒有餘裕了那你後面的調度權就不用談了現在有解方嗎\n包委員其實每個縣市它的失業廢棄物因為它是焚化爐都有跟地方政府有簽約有的是BOT的方式所以它還是有在處理失業廢棄物那現在因為剛剛好了剛剛還非常的滿所以這個問題就會出來了那你剛才說到的時候遇到天災的時候有餘裕啊有餘裕現在遇到天災的時候就必須說先分類好然後我們再做同一個調鋪那焚化爐只是處理的一個部分而已包含了掩埋或是整個的回收再利用都是一個處理的方式\n事實上現在是這樣的\n有靠山的業者他就能夠分配到這個進場權配額沒有靠山沒有辦法那這樣後來有時候會造成地方政治人物他就是去作梗啊所以環境部是不是要來解決這個問題那你們的SOP是什麼\n目前其實報告委員其實例如說以臺北市來說的話他只願意接受外面的大概只有3%所以其實這個問題說委員是是很大嗎3%等於沒有對主席再給我一下子快好了快好了那排隊進場量因為沒有確切的這個許可這個許可保證等於任由市場喊喊喊量喊價齁那沒排到隊的人怎麼辦呢請問部長假如今天工有焚化爐齁\n﹚陳昭姿\n那如果沒有辦法根本解決公營的這個焚化爐的問題的處理量呢而且平均讓大家能夠平均的進場這個就助長非法的那個爛到啊部長對不對這個問題所以我最後兩頁投影片就是希望我有一個全循環的這個科技園區啦能夠來重新來處理因為現在其實我們環境部喔您說的沒錯這個時程要很快啦要很快對部長對於各地方政府的公營焚化爐公營化爐要如何公平的分配給\n各業者的進場權環境部現在有沒有一個底因為我還是要強調就是說環境部目前還是沒有真正對事物廢棄物有一個好的規劃\n因為那個是要事業主管機關那個經濟部要負擔很大的責任那我們也要求他的各種工業區他必須要自己來處理那部長那最後就我們大概什麼時候可以有個答案嗎就是對於整體事業廢棄物的規劃的部分包括公有的量能問題然後分配權的問題\n我們希望看到整個完整規劃看到進度\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.108 --> 00:08.151\n謝謝主席有請彭部長\n\n00:12.816 --> 00:35.175\n委員早部長早安部長沒想到會期一開始邱部長跟您就一起上新聞了那邱部長說這個環境部應該要編列足夠的資源來幫助醫療院所進行檢探我覺得他的意思好像是說這個檢探的責任要歸在環境部那部長覺得委屈嗎\n\n00:37.036 --> 00:51.946\n其實不會委屈啦,就是說,委員會給我20秒還原一下齁其實總統是很關心,院長也很關心,我們常常在開會要如何檢探啦那總統是覺得我們跟衛福部辦了一個綠色醫療的活動,那這個很好\n\n00:52.426 --> 00:52.626\n陳昭姿\n\n01:18.524 --> 01:46.390\n您念了一下,量一下啦。不會全責分工的角度來看這個檢探當然是要環境部跟衛福部大家一起合作啦那這個一起推動尤其是政策推動的這個部分那但是我要談的就是說其實這個醫療機構裡面的每一項活動都是非常高度的專業他要對這個醫務的管理或是整個機構的運作是相當熟悉那以這個角度來看其實衛福部是\n\n01:47.270 --> 01:47.310\n陳昭姿\n\n02:15.046 --> 02:35.329\n醫療機構檢探的指標來引領整個這個醫療事業這是我們的期待好那接下來就是也是環境部可能要多擔一點責任為了因應全球的氣候變遷等等還有以及全世界都在做這個進行排放的這樣的一個趨勢跟努力那各部會都一定要從方方面面來一起著手\n\n02:36.109 --> 03:04.615\n請問部長您的團隊目前對於如何串聯各部會進行檢探是不是有一套比較具體清楚的一個協調跟支持機制呢?包委員這個目前由行政院的鄭麗君副院長也跨級召集所有的各部會那我們現在在重新盤點因為包含2030、2032、2035我們都有一個新的目標所以我們很積極在盤點所以也請委員再給我們一點點時間因為其實如果照各部會目前算出來的量是很難檢探的\n\n03:05.755 --> 03:12.399\n我們現在正在用一個更有野心更有企圖的方式來進行其實簡單的議題其實牽涉太多部門了我們瞭解但除了開會討論之外其實這個具體的行動一定要趕快來跟上我也希望未來的溝通是順利的那麼未來我們才瞭解一下這個進度\n\n03:22.465 --> 03:50.039\n您也提到日前衛福部及環境部有舉辦了一個非常盛大的綠色醫療就是醫院主管高階主管領航營的活動老實說本席認為過去衛福部在這個領域綠色醫療做得還不夠多其實說等於還沒有做除了今年3月公布了一些醫療院所探排查的結果之外目前針對如何檢探都還沒有提出一些具體的資料\n\n03:50.879 --> 03:50.939\n好,沒問題\n\n04:09.127 --> 04:23.389\n那我想請教彭部長針對醫療機構檢探有哪些策略上建議?第一個您有一些想法了嗎?第二個您覺得威福部是不是也要編列預算來配合這樣簡單活動?包委第一個是我們跟經濟部跟經管會\n\n04:25.111 --> 04:52.606\n我們三個部位有合作然後我們要用深度節能的方式那我們有做好分類有的是負責公立醫院像我們環境部是要負責私立醫院等於是說我們會編列一個我建議醫院不要馬上做盤查啦把節能最重要節能例如說他省了多少電省了就可以少繳一些支出所以我們目前呢應該在未來這一兩個月內會公佈我們會一套的做法深度節能幫助醫療系統深度節能的做法會出來\n\n04:53.306 --> 05:13.022\n所以你覺得你建議並不是覺得先做探盤查因為醫療機構我們當然是希望能夠做啦但是探盤查對醫療機構的這個負擔也是一筆支出啦所以我們會覺得說先檢探先檢探是最重要的這是很重要的好前一張前一張好那我也希望這個前一張照片再前一張\n\n05:14.415 --> 05:31.161\n希望這個次長不要哪個醫院他通過淡白的趕快去沾光沾光以後就是官員也少做這種事大家聽到了專家環境部說最重要先節能先節能這個是很不一樣很重要的一個專業的想法回到這個\n\n05:35.356 --> 05:35.536\n有人知道嗎?\n\n06:06.448 --> 06:27.163\n天然災害廢棄物應該是沒有因為當時在公告裡面有兩個點我想第一個事業部分由事業自行清除或委託公民營的這個廢棄物清除機構執行機關來代為這是其中一點第二點是釋然性就是可然性的部分優先用焚化的方式來處理\n\n06:28.624 --> 06:44.313\n那麼就算這個處理執行原則並沒有公告但是目前我們有這個廢棄物清理法的及相關的這個執法應該還是要按照一般的這個做法來做所以我想請教由事業執行清除或委託公民營廢棄物清除機構執行機關來執行清除這樣是正確的嗎報告委員我請問我們的防災處\n\n06:55.936 --> 06:57.338\n主管機關來負責他的一個監督跟他執行\n\n07:07.947 --> 07:27.980\n那就不是事業自行清除囉?您談的是這一點喔?他應該是自行清除或委託公民委員會去處理那剛剛我講那個原則是沒有問題嘛就基本上是那我今天想詢問的是部長你是不是知道現在各縣市環保局的公有焚化爐幾乎不收釋然性可燃性的事業廢棄物您知道這件事嗎?那你知道為什麼嗎?他不收欸\n\n07:34.396 --> 07:53.524\n跟委員報告那個收的原則是要跟一般廢棄物相容的他才會收那有些事業他是比較高的沒關係我跟你講簡單的說因為一般的廢棄物都處理不來了所以事業廢棄物根本就沒得處理部長現在連長照機構產出的這個事業廢棄物現在都沒地方去欸\n\n07:54.204 --> 08:19.300\n那更不要說工廠出來的這個廢棄物那這一次天災造成的失業廢棄物自然沒處可去啊部長這個問題很嚴重啊就是做不到嘛就是根本沒處可去啊包委員其實如果天災的話是先放在那個地方其實做好土炭處理不是馬上拿去燒啦好那我們來看一下廢棄物清理法基本上按照廢棄物清理法第28條就是說民生廢棄物是優先啦\n\n08:23.823 --> 08:24.003\n陳昭姿\n\n08:39.125 --> 09:00.737\n那世界這個環境部根本無從調度為什麼呢因為現在公有的這個焚化爐根本沒有餘裕啊那你的調度權呢這個部分你有解方嗎要有餘裕那這個原則我們是支持的就先處理民生廢棄物但是現在根本沒有餘裕了那你後面的調度權就不用談了現在有解方嗎\n\n09:01.656 --> 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不會全責分工的角度來看這個檢探當然是要環境部跟衛福部大家一起合作啦那這個一起推動尤其是政策推動的這個部分那但是我要談的就是說其實這個醫療機構裡面的每一項活動都是非常高度的專業他要對這個醫務的管理或是整個機構的運作是相當熟悉那以這個角度來看其實衛福部是"},{"start":107.27,"end":107.31,"text":"陳昭姿"},{"start":135.046,"end":155.329,"text":"醫療機構檢探的指標來引領整個這個醫療事業這是我們的期待好那接下來就是也是環境部可能要多擔一點責任為了因應全球的氣候變遷等等還有以及全世界都在做這個進行排放的這樣的一個趨勢跟努力那各部會都一定要從方方面面來一起著手"},{"start":156.109,"end":184.615,"text":"請問部長您的團隊目前對於如何串聯各部會進行檢探是不是有一套比較具體清楚的一個協調跟支持機制呢?包委員這個目前由行政院的鄭麗君副院長也跨級召集所有的各部會那我們現在在重新盤點因為包含2030、2032、2035我們都有一個新的目標所以我們很積極在盤點所以也請委員再給我們一點點時間因為其實如果照各部會目前算出來的量是很難檢探的"},{"start":185.755,"end":192.399,"text":"我們現在正在用一個更有野心更有企圖的方式來進行其實簡單的議題其實牽涉太多部門了我們瞭解但除了開會討論之外其實這個具體的行動一定要趕快來跟上我也希望未來的溝通是順利的那麼未來我們才瞭解一下這個進度"},{"start":202.465,"end":230.039,"text":"您也提到日前衛福部及環境部有舉辦了一個非常盛大的綠色醫療就是醫院主管高階主管領航營的活動老實說本席認為過去衛福部在這個領域綠色醫療做得還不夠多其實說等於還沒有做除了今年3月公布了一些醫療院所探排查的結果之外目前針對如何檢探都還沒有提出一些具體的資料"},{"start":230.879,"end":230.939,"text":"好,沒問題"},{"start":249.127,"end":263.389,"text":"那我想請教彭部長針對醫療機構檢探有哪些策略上建議?第一個您有一些想法了嗎?第二個您覺得威福部是不是也要編列預算來配合這樣簡單活動?包委第一個是我們跟經濟部跟經管會"},{"start":265.111,"end":292.606,"text":"我們三個部位有合作然後我們要用深度節能的方式那我們有做好分類有的是負責公立醫院像我們環境部是要負責私立醫院等於是說我們會編列一個我建議醫院不要馬上做盤查啦把節能最重要節能例如說他省了多少電省了就可以少繳一些支出所以我們目前呢應該在未來這一兩個月內會公佈我們會一套的做法深度節能幫助醫療系統深度節能的做法會出來"},{"start":293.306,"end":313.022,"text":"所以你覺得你建議並不是覺得先做探盤查因為醫療機構我們當然是希望能夠做啦但是探盤查對醫療機構的這個負擔也是一筆支出啦所以我們會覺得說先檢探先檢探是最重要的這是很重要的好前一張前一張好那我也希望這個前一張照片再前一張"},{"start":314.415,"end":331.161,"text":"希望這個次長不要哪個醫院他通過淡白的趕快去沾光沾光以後就是官員也少做這種事大家聽到了專家環境部說最重要先節能先節能這個是很不一樣很重要的一個專業的想法回到這個"},{"start":335.356,"end":335.536,"text":"有人知道嗎?"},{"start":366.448,"end":387.163,"text":"天然災害廢棄物應該是沒有因為當時在公告裡面有兩個點我想第一個事業部分由事業自行清除或委託公民營的這個廢棄物清除機構執行機關來代為這是其中一點第二點是釋然性就是可然性的部分優先用焚化的方式來處理"},{"start":388.624,"end":404.313,"text":"那麼就算這個處理執行原則並沒有公告但是目前我們有這個廢棄物清理法的及相關的這個執法應該還是要按照一般的這個做法來做所以我想請教由事業執行清除或委託公民營廢棄物清除機構執行機關來執行清除這樣是正確的嗎報告委員我請問我們的防災處"},{"start":415.936,"end":417.338,"text":"主管機關來負責他的一個監督跟他執行"},{"start":427.947,"end":447.98,"text":"那就不是事業自行清除囉?您談的是這一點喔?他應該是自行清除或委託公民委員會去處理那剛剛我講那個原則是沒有問題嘛就基本上是那我今天想詢問的是部長你是不是知道現在各縣市環保局的公有焚化爐幾乎不收釋然性可燃性的事業廢棄物您知道這件事嗎?那你知道為什麼嗎?他不收欸"},{"start":454.396,"end":473.524,"text":"跟委員報告那個收的原則是要跟一般廢棄物相容的他才會收那有些事業他是比較高的沒關係我跟你講簡單的說因為一般的廢棄物都處理不來了所以事業廢棄物根本就沒得處理部長現在連長照機構產出的這個事業廢棄物現在都沒地方去欸"},{"start":474.204,"end":499.3,"text":"那更不要說工廠出來的這個廢棄物那這一次天災造成的失業廢棄物自然沒處可去啊部長這個問題很嚴重啊就是做不到嘛就是根本沒處可去啊包委員其實如果天災的話是先放在那個地方其實做好土炭處理不是馬上拿去燒啦好那我們來看一下廢棄物清理法基本上按照廢棄物清理法第28條就是說民生廢棄物是優先啦"},{"start":503.823,"end":504.003,"text":"陳昭姿"},{"start":519.125,"end":540.737,"text":"那世界這個環境部根本無從調度為什麼呢因為現在公有的這個焚化爐根本沒有餘裕啊那你的調度權呢這個部分你有解方嗎要有餘裕那這個原則我們是支持的就先處理民生廢棄物但是現在根本沒有餘裕了那你後面的調度權就不用談了現在有解方嗎"},{"start":541.656,"end":571.148,"text":"包委員其實每個縣市它的失業廢棄物因為它是焚化爐都有跟地方政府有簽約有的是BOT的方式所以它還是有在處理失業廢棄物那現在因為剛剛好了剛剛還非常的滿所以這個問題就會出來了那你剛才說到的時候遇到天災的時候有餘裕啊有餘裕現在遇到天災的時候就必須說先分類好然後我們再做同一個調鋪那焚化爐只是處理的一個部分而已包含了掩埋或是整個的回收再利用都是一個處理的方式"},{"start":571.308,"end":571.528,"text":"事實上現在是這樣的"},{"start":601.611,"end":613.586,"text":"有靠山的業者他就能夠分配到這個進場權配額沒有靠山沒有辦法那這樣後來有時候會造成地方政治人物他就是去作梗啊所以環境部是不是要來解決這個問題那你們的SOP是什麼"},{"start":617.216,"end":639.711,"text":"目前其實報告委員其實例如說以臺北市來說的話他只願意接受外面的大概只有3%所以其實這個問題說委員是是很大嗎3%等於沒有對主席再給我一下子快好了快好了那排隊進場量因為沒有確切的這個許可這個許可保證等於任由市場喊喊喊量喊價齁那沒排到隊的人怎麼辦呢請問部長假如今天工有焚化爐齁"},{"start":641.272,"end":641.312,"text":"﹚陳昭姿"},{"start":661.556,"end":688.296,"text":"那如果沒有辦法根本解決公營的這個焚化爐的問題的處理量呢而且平均讓大家能夠平均的進場這個就助長非法的那個爛到啊部長對不對這個問題所以我最後兩頁投影片就是希望我有一個全循環的這個科技園區啦能夠來重新來處理因為現在其實我們環境部喔您說的沒錯這個時程要很快啦要很快對部長對於各地方政府的公營焚化爐公營化爐要如何公平的分配給"},{"start":689.176,"end":699.406,"text":"各業者的進場權環境部現在有沒有一個底因為我還是要強調就是說環境部目前還是沒有真正對事物廢棄物有一個好的規劃"},{"start":701.364,"end":718.165,"text":"因為那個是要事業主管機關那個經濟部要負擔很大的責任那我們也要求他的各種工業區他必須要自己來處理那部長那最後就我們大概什麼時候可以有個答案嗎就是對於整體事業廢棄物的規劃的部分包括公有的量能問題然後分配權的問題"},{"start":719.446,"end":720.548,"text":"我們希望看到整個完整規劃看到進度"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":2,"tmpMeeting":null,"committees":[26],"term":11,"id":"委員會-11-2-26-2","title":"第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議","type":"委員會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"09:15:17 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