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00:00:40,349\n的一個瞭解跟未來執行的一個狀況那還有這個有關於校舍我想這個都對於我們在整個教育層面上非常的重要所以在有關於班班有鮮乳的這一件事情本行因為在7月11號然後看到有報載而且在整個教文的這個版面呢有一整系列的一個報導\n\n3\n00:00:41,129 --> 00:01:01,991\n那七月中呢其實是我們在準備開學的一個時間但是它基本上是暑假所以我就非常密切的關心這一件事那也很感謝今天有這個機會來更深度了解這裡面所談的我們其實還有在準備的部分在開學的狀況跟未來要執行的一個情形所以\n\n4\n00:01:04,634 --> 00:01:29,854\n在開學前我一直聽到有一個狀況就是這樣一個班班有鮮乳的政策那大家目前準備好的就是班班有調酒乳飽酒乳那這個飽酒乳這個部分依照今天這個相關部會準備的資料不知道我是不是現在可以請我們教育部長跟農業部今天是次長我們一起來探討這個問題好不好我們有請鄭部長還有我們杜次長\n\n5\n00:01:35,823 --> 00:01:53,989\n部長,在你們的報告裏面談到目前你們供應的有關於牛奶大概是百分之二十點七六那包酒乳是七十五點七七百分比然後這個高鈣的豆乳大概有這個含鈣的豆乳三點四百分比左右那你們知道這個數據怎麼來的嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:57,798 --> 00:02:10,704\n跟委員報告,這是7月22日這個調查來的,跟各地方政府。各地方政府送上來的嗎?是。那我想請問一下,布裡面是不是有那個乳糖不賴症在台灣大概有多少比例?\n\n7\n00:02:14,557 --> 00:02:21,906\n你們這邊列的那個乳糖不帶症報上來有3.4可是實際情形是這樣嗎?你們檢視的這個狀況是這是各校各地方政府報上來的嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:30,737 --> 00:02:59,514\n那你確定我們所有有關於食品有關於乳品的需求是這樣子的條件嗎這是各地方政府報上來那在七月份你們讓各地方政府報上來那七月是暑假齁然後這個需求你們確定所有的比例是這樣子嗎這個比例問題我給部裡面一個建議啦乳糖不耐症到底在台灣有學童裡面比例真正是佔多少不是說地方政府報上來喔而是\n\n9\n00:03:00,939 --> 00:03:23,925\n我直接講一個建議啦我們在施政的時候經常都是主管單位的方便性然後我們就叫相關的單位來配合所以我想確定的是這個數據是準的嗎有沒有可能因為第一你們要地方政府報上來那中間這裡面其實談到冷鏈的問題談到牛奶還有包酒乳\n\n10\n00:03:25,202 --> 00:03:49,661\n如何保藏的這個問題它有沒有可能造成大家在這個過程當中一個方便性因為你們在暑假期間教大家做這件事情那在開學的一個因應跟準備上大家來不來得及做所以它是報上來的數據它是真正的數據嗎?我們在母唐不賴鎮在台灣的數據有多少?依據我查了相關的研究在亞洲地區大概有60%\n\n11\n00:03:52,048 --> 00:04:01,294\n所以要不要查一下那所以我來接下來來問一下請問我們這個政策目標是什麼?教育部的部分跟農業部的部分我都想聽一下\n\n12\n00:04:03,018 --> 00:04:22,049\n謝謝委員的一個關心也謝謝委員的提醒因為確實我們其實根據一些相關的研究就發現兒童的一個成長過程裡邊對鈣的一個補充以及蛋白質的一個補充是關係到兒童的是否能夠健康的一個發展所以\n\n13\n00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:49,246\n教育部跟農業部我們其實念茲在茲就是怎麼樣讓學童更健康嘛對不對是是是好的那我可以這邊請教一下那個農業部次長那請問您知道那個鈣的補充成分有哪一些嗎來源其實鈣的來源乳、蛋、肉其實都有但是鮮乳是最方便的因為一份的鮮乳大概可以補充一天所需要是應該畢業蔬菜也有這個可能性\n\n14\n00:04:50,066 --> 00:05:13,680\n所以,你們的政策目標是不是教育部跟農業部也是一樣嗎?農業部你們的政策目標是什麼?當然是希望我們的學童能夠有…希望學童更健康嘛。是的。那我想了解一下,所以在我們這個希望學童更健康的政策概念下,那農業部,你們跟這個什麼乳牛產業的這個升級計畫跟這個這件事情的關係是什麼?你們用的經費是哪邊來的?\n\n15\n00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:36,889\n因為這樣子,如果能夠提升,第一個剛剛委員提到的就是說蓋的來源當然有很多種,但是鮮乳是最方便的,一份鮮奶就可以提供我們一天所需要大概50%的蓋量是,好,那這個部分我想請教一下,你們編列了這麼多的預算,那應該在今年就執行的,為什麼到7月份的時候還有這麼多學校還不知道相關的配套?\n\n16\n00:05:38,325 --> 00:06:04,713\n那在暑假期間我們來得及做好整體比較詳盡的準備嗎?所以在開學的時候其實還有各校牛奶喝不到那偏遠地區更是大家為什麼會有這麼高的比例選擇包酒爐呢?應該是它比較好放吧?那更細節的是當我們有這樣一個政策那相關的配套那請問那這個配套是不是大家都能夠符合?尤其是偏鄉地區\n\n17\n00:06:08,308 --> 00:06:36,949\n相關的設施、相關的人力、路程等等那我想請教一下這個配套準備好了嗎?謝謝委員的一個關心確實我們在這一學期裡面我們也起心動念就是希望說讓學童有一個更健康的一個發展那我們也期待說透過這樣的因為這樣的一個鮮乳品的一些提供確實在許多的這些各縣市\n\n18\n00:06:37,749 --> 00:07:04,870\n他這個區域跟城鄉的一些差距我們其實也希望透過這一學期的一個這樣一個推動裡邊去了解各縣市的一些樣態然後作為我們政策能夠更精進的一些做這樣的一個調整跟地方來合作那委員的一個關心也正是我們所想要更進一步更精進的一個希望在未來在政策的推動\n\n19\n00:07:06,211 --> 00:07:07,012\n提供更好的品質。\n\n20\n00:07:20,627 --> 00:07:39,428\n有這三種,那這個比例真的如同填上來的嗎?還是因為大家要因應教育部的政策,所以填了這麼多的,填了這樣一個差距很大的比例?所以我建議部裡面應該把有沒有乳糖不耐症,而且學童是不是每個人都適合這樣子一個政策,先去做一下調查評估。\n\n21\n00:07:41,490 --> 00:08:09,040\n謝謝委員提醒我想這個部分乳糖不耐症這個部分我想我們會更進一步的確實在整個政策裡面的作用怎麼樣讓它更精準實質的比例跟你們政策的那個目標謝謝委員的一個提醒這我們會來我們會再進一步來瞭解好的謝謝那接下來我想問一下這個農業部那請問那個你們的這個班班有鮮乳跟紐西蘭牛乳進口的零關稅的這個相互關係是什麼\n\n22\n00:08:10,545 --> 00:08:25,929\n我想應該是這樣子其實我們希望第一個就是讓我們的學童有足夠的蓋設取量因為目前是遠遠不及民生農業部你很關心這個學童的蓋設取量所以我們只針對推動是國產鮮乳的飲用我們希望是推動國產鮮乳的飲用讓達到營養的價值第二個但是對我們國內弱農產業也是有實質幫助\n\n23\n00:08:31,510 --> 00:08:45,943\n好的,我要這邊做個提醒我們的政策應該因應整個環境所以農業部我們在過去那個這個班班有石斑然後是因為石斑魚的狀況我們知道那時候我們所遭遇到的困難\n\n24\n00:08:46,684 --> 00:08:47,785\n中小學老舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向\n\n25\n00:09:09,284 --> 00:09:10,205\n中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向\n\n26\n00:09:39,664 --> 00:09:59,662\n可以嗎?所以這樣也不會在你們兩部會已經半年多了結果一直到暑假大家來關心這樣一個問題那到開學還產生這麼多的問題可以嗎?好謝謝那我今天先質詢到此雖然還有很多的議題至少這點我覺得是重要而且是當務之急\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1710\t15438\t主席、還有我們立恩同仁、還有各部會的夥伴們,大家早安、大家好。非常感謝主席今天設定了這樣一個題目,有關於這個班班有鮮奶的這樣一個整備計畫。\n17119\t40349\t的一個瞭解跟未來執行的一個狀況那還有這個有關於校舍我想這個都對於我們在整個教育層面上非常的重要所以在有關於班班有鮮乳的這一件事情本行因為在7月11號然後看到有報載而且在整個教文的這個版面呢有一整系列的一個報導\n41129\t61991\t那七月中呢其實是我們在準備開學的一個時間但是它基本上是暑假所以我就非常密切的關心這一件事那也很感謝今天有這個機會來更深度了解這裡面所談的我們其實還有在準備的部分在開學的狀況跟未來要執行的一個情形所以\n64634\t89854\t在開學前我一直聽到有一個狀況就是這樣一個班班有鮮乳的政策那大家目前準備好的就是班班有調酒乳飽酒乳那這個飽酒乳這個部分依照今天這個相關部會準備的資料不知道我是不是現在可以請我們教育部長跟農業部今天是次長我們一起來探討這個問題好不好我們有請鄭部長還有我們杜次長\n95823\t113989\t部長,在你們的報告裏面談到目前你們供應的有關於牛奶大概是百分之二十點七六那包酒乳是七十五點七七百分比然後這個高鈣的豆乳大概有這個含鈣的豆乳三點四百分比左右那你們知道這個數據怎麼來的嗎?\n117798\t130704\t跟委員報告,這是7月22日這個調查來的,跟各地方政府。各地方政府送上來的嗎?是。那我想請問一下,布裡面是不是有那個乳糖不賴症在台灣大概有多少比例?\n134557\t141906\t你們這邊列的那個乳糖不帶症報上來有3.4可是實際情形是這樣嗎?你們檢視的這個狀況是這是各校各地方政府報上來的嗎?\n150737\t179514\t那你確定我們所有有關於食品有關於乳品的需求是這樣子的條件嗎這是各地方政府報上來那在七月份你們讓各地方政府報上來那七月是暑假齁然後這個需求你們確定所有的比例是這樣子嗎這個比例問題我給部裡面一個建議啦乳糖不耐症到底在台灣有學童裡面比例真正是佔多少不是說地方政府報上來喔而是\n180939\t203925\t我直接講一個建議啦我們在施政的時候經常都是主管單位的方便性然後我們就叫相關的單位來配合所以我想確定的是這個數據是準的嗎有沒有可能因為第一你們要地方政府報上來那中間這裡面其實談到冷鏈的問題談到牛奶還有包酒乳\n205202\t229661\t如何保藏的這個問題它有沒有可能造成大家在這個過程當中一個方便性因為你們在暑假期間教大家做這件事情那在開學的一個因應跟準備上大家來不來得及做所以它是報上來的數據它是真正的數據嗎?我們在母唐不賴鎮在台灣的數據有多少?依據我查了相關的研究在亞洲地區大概有60%\n232048\t241294\t所以要不要查一下那所以我來接下來來問一下請問我們這個政策目標是什麼?教育部的部分跟農業部的部分我都想聽一下\n243018\t262049\t謝謝委員的一個關心也謝謝委員的提醒因為確實我們其實根據一些相關的研究就發現兒童的一個成長過程裡邊對鈣的一個補充以及蛋白質的一個補充是關係到兒童的是否能夠健康的一個發展所以\n263010\t289246\t教育部跟農業部我們其實念茲在茲就是怎麼樣讓學童更健康嘛對不對是是是好的那我可以這邊請教一下那個農業部次長那請問您知道那個鈣的補充成分有哪一些嗎來源其實鈣的來源乳、蛋、肉其實都有但是鮮乳是最方便的因為一份的鮮乳大概可以補充一天所需要是應該畢業蔬菜也有這個可能性\n290066\t313680\t所以,你們的政策目標是不是教育部跟農業部也是一樣嗎?農業部你們的政策目標是什麼?當然是希望我們的學童能夠有…希望學童更健康嘛。是的。那我想了解一下,所以在我們這個希望學童更健康的政策概念下,那農業部,你們跟這個什麼乳牛產業的這個升級計畫跟這個這件事情的關係是什麼?你們用的經費是哪邊來的?\n314600\t336889\t因為這樣子,如果能夠提升,第一個剛剛委員提到的就是說蓋的來源當然有很多種,但是鮮乳是最方便的,一份鮮奶就可以提供我們一天所需要大概50%的蓋量是,好,那這個部分我想請教一下,你們編列了這麼多的預算,那應該在今年就執行的,為什麼到7月份的時候還有這麼多學校還不知道相關的配套?\n338325\t364713\t那在暑假期間我們來得及做好整體比較詳盡的準備嗎?所以在開學的時候其實還有各校牛奶喝不到那偏遠地區更是大家為什麼會有這麼高的比例選擇包酒爐呢?應該是它比較好放吧?那更細節的是當我們有這樣一個政策那相關的配套那請問那這個配套是不是大家都能夠符合?尤其是偏鄉地區\n368308\t396949\t相關的設施、相關的人力、路程等等那我想請教一下這個配套準備好了嗎?謝謝委員的一個關心確實我們在這一學期裡面我們也起心動念就是希望說讓學童有一個更健康的一個發展那我們也期待說透過這樣的因為這樣的一個鮮乳品的一些提供確實在許多的這些各縣市\n397749\t424870\t他這個區域跟城鄉的一些差距我們其實也希望透過這一學期的一個這樣一個推動裡邊去了解各縣市的一些樣態然後作為我們政策能夠更精進的一些做這樣的一個調整跟地方來合作那委員的一個關心也正是我們所想要更進一步更精進的一個希望在未來在政策的推動\n426211\t427012\t提供更好的品質。\n440627\t459428\t有這三種,那這個比例真的如同填上來的嗎?還是因為大家要因應教育部的政策,所以填了這麼多的,填了這樣一個差距很大的比例?所以我建議部裡面應該把有沒有乳糖不耐症,而且學童是不是每個人都適合這樣子一個政策,先去做一下調查評估。\n461490\t489040\t謝謝委員提醒我想這個部分乳糖不耐症這個部分我想我們會更進一步的確實在整個政策裡面的作用怎麼樣讓它更精準實質的比例跟你們政策的那個目標謝謝委員的一個提醒這我們會來我們會再進一步來瞭解好的謝謝那接下來我想問一下這個農業部那請問那個你們的這個班班有鮮乳跟紐西蘭牛乳進口的零關稅的這個相互關係是什麼\n490545\t505929\t我想應該是這樣子其實我們希望第一個就是讓我們的學童有足夠的蓋設取量因為目前是遠遠不及民生農業部你很關心這個學童的蓋設取量所以我們只針對推動是國產鮮乳的飲用我們希望是推動國產鮮乳的飲用讓達到營養的價值第二個但是對我們國內弱農產業也是有實質幫助\n511510\t525943\t好的,我要這邊做個提醒我們的政策應該因應整個環境所以農業部我們在過去那個這個班班有石斑然後是因為石斑魚的狀況我們知道那時候我們所遭遇到的困難\n526684\t527785\t中小學老舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向\n549284\t550205\t中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向\n579664\t599662\t可以嗎?所以這樣也不會在你們兩部會已經半年多了結果一直到暑假大家來關心這樣一個問題那到開學還產生這麼多的問題可以嗎?好 謝謝那我今天先質詢到此雖然還有很多的議題至少這點我覺得是重要而且是當務之急\n","txt":"主席、還有我們立恩同仁、還有各部會的夥伴們,大家早安、大家好。非常感謝主席今天設定了這樣一個題目,有關於這個班班有鮮奶的這樣一個整備計畫。\n的一個瞭解跟未來執行的一個狀況那還有這個有關於校舍我想這個都對於我們在整個教育層面上非常的重要所以在有關於班班有鮮乳的這一件事情本行因為在7月11號然後看到有報載而且在整個教文的這個版面呢有一整系列的一個報導\n那七月中呢其實是我們在準備開學的一個時間但是它基本上是暑假所以我就非常密切的關心這一件事那也很感謝今天有這個機會來更深度了解這裡面所談的我們其實還有在準備的部分在開學的狀況跟未來要執行的一個情形所以\n在開學前我一直聽到有一個狀況就是這樣一個班班有鮮乳的政策那大家目前準備好的就是班班有調酒乳飽酒乳那這個飽酒乳這個部分依照今天這個相關部會準備的資料不知道我是不是現在可以請我們教育部長跟農業部今天是次長我們一起來探討這個問題好不好我們有請鄭部長還有我們杜次長\n部長,在你們的報告裏面談到目前你們供應的有關於牛奶大概是百分之二十點七六那包酒乳是七十五點七七百分比然後這個高鈣的豆乳大概有這個含鈣的豆乳三點四百分比左右那你們知道這個數據怎麼來的嗎?\n跟委員報告,這是7月22日這個調查來的,跟各地方政府。各地方政府送上來的嗎?是。那我想請問一下,布裡面是不是有那個乳糖不賴症在台灣大概有多少比例?\n你們這邊列的那個乳糖不帶症報上來有3.4可是實際情形是這樣嗎?你們檢視的這個狀況是這是各校各地方政府報上來的嗎?\n那你確定我們所有有關於食品有關於乳品的需求是這樣子的條件嗎這是各地方政府報上來那在七月份你們讓各地方政府報上來那七月是暑假齁然後這個需求你們確定所有的比例是這樣子嗎這個比例問題我給部裡面一個建議啦乳糖不耐症到底在台灣有學童裡面比例真正是佔多少不是說地方政府報上來喔而是\n我直接講一個建議啦我們在施政的時候經常都是主管單位的方便性然後我們就叫相關的單位來配合所以我想確定的是這個數據是準的嗎有沒有可能因為第一你們要地方政府報上來那中間這裡面其實談到冷鏈的問題談到牛奶還有包酒乳\n如何保藏的這個問題它有沒有可能造成大家在這個過程當中一個方便性因為你們在暑假期間教大家做這件事情那在開學的一個因應跟準備上大家來不來得及做所以它是報上來的數據它是真正的數據嗎?我們在母唐不賴鎮在台灣的數據有多少?依據我查了相關的研究在亞洲地區大概有60%\n所以要不要查一下那所以我來接下來來問一下請問我們這個政策目標是什麼?教育部的部分跟農業部的部分我都想聽一下\n謝謝委員的一個關心也謝謝委員的提醒因為確實我們其實根據一些相關的研究就發現兒童的一個成長過程裡邊對鈣的一個補充以及蛋白質的一個補充是關係到兒童的是否能夠健康的一個發展所以\n教育部跟農業部我們其實念茲在茲就是怎麼樣讓學童更健康嘛對不對是是是好的那我可以這邊請教一下那個農業部次長那請問您知道那個鈣的補充成分有哪一些嗎來源其實鈣的來源乳、蛋、肉其實都有但是鮮乳是最方便的因為一份的鮮乳大概可以補充一天所需要是應該畢業蔬菜也有這個可能性\n所以,你們的政策目標是不是教育部跟農業部也是一樣嗎?農業部你們的政策目標是什麼?當然是希望我們的學童能夠有…希望學童更健康嘛。是的。那我想了解一下,所以在我們這個希望學童更健康的政策概念下,那農業部,你們跟這個什麼乳牛產業的這個升級計畫跟這個這件事情的關係是什麼?你們用的經費是哪邊來的?\n因為這樣子,如果能夠提升,第一個剛剛委員提到的就是說蓋的來源當然有很多種,但是鮮乳是最方便的,一份鮮奶就可以提供我們一天所需要大概50%的蓋量是,好,那這個部分我想請教一下,你們編列了這麼多的預算,那應該在今年就執行的,為什麼到7月份的時候還有這麼多學校還不知道相關的配套?\n那在暑假期間我們來得及做好整體比較詳盡的準備嗎?所以在開學的時候其實還有各校牛奶喝不到那偏遠地區更是大家為什麼會有這麼高的比例選擇包酒爐呢?應該是它比較好放吧?那更細節的是當我們有這樣一個政策那相關的配套那請問那這個配套是不是大家都能夠符合?尤其是偏鄉地區\n相關的設施、相關的人力、路程等等那我想請教一下這個配套準備好了嗎?謝謝委員的一個關心確實我們在這一學期裡面我們也起心動念就是希望說讓學童有一個更健康的一個發展那我們也期待說透過這樣的因為這樣的一個鮮乳品的一些提供確實在許多的這些各縣市\n他這個區域跟城鄉的一些差距我們其實也希望透過這一學期的一個這樣一個推動裡邊去了解各縣市的一些樣態然後作為我們政策能夠更精進的一些做這樣的一個調整跟地方來合作那委員的一個關心也正是我們所想要更進一步更精進的一個希望在未來在政策的推動\n提供更好的品質。\n有這三種,那這個比例真的如同填上來的嗎?還是因為大家要因應教育部的政策,所以填了這麼多的,填了這樣一個差距很大的比例?所以我建議部裡面應該把有沒有乳糖不耐症,而且學童是不是每個人都適合這樣子一個政策,先去做一下調查評估。\n謝謝委員提醒我想這個部分乳糖不耐症這個部分我想我們會更進一步的確實在整個政策裡面的作用怎麼樣讓它更精準實質的比例跟你們政策的那個目標謝謝委員的一個提醒這我們會來我們會再進一步來瞭解好的謝謝那接下來我想問一下這個農業部那請問那個你們的這個班班有鮮乳跟紐西蘭牛乳進口的零關稅的這個相互關係是什麼\n我想應該是這樣子其實我們希望第一個就是讓我們的學童有足夠的蓋設取量因為目前是遠遠不及民生農業部你很關心這個學童的蓋設取量所以我們只針對推動是國產鮮乳的飲用我們希望是推動國產鮮乳的飲用讓達到營養的價值第二個但是對我們國內弱農產業也是有實質幫助\n好的,我要這邊做個提醒我們的政策應該因應整個環境所以農業部我們在過去那個這個班班有石斑然後是因為石斑魚的狀況我們知道那時候我們所遭遇到的困難\n中小學老舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向\n中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向\n可以嗎?所以這樣也不會在你們兩部會已經半年多了結果一直到暑假大家來關心這樣一個問題那到開學還產生這麼多的問題可以嗎?好 謝謝那我今天先質詢到此雖然還有很多的議題至少這點我覺得是重要而且是當務之急\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.710 --> 00:15.438\n主席、還有我們立恩同仁、還有各部會的夥伴們,大家早安、大家好。非常感謝主席今天設定了這樣一個題目,有關於這個班班有鮮奶的這樣一個整備計畫。\n\n00:17.119 --> 00:40.349\n的一個瞭解跟未來執行的一個狀況那還有這個有關於校舍我想這個都對於我們在整個教育層面上非常的重要所以在有關於班班有鮮乳的這一件事情本行因為在7月11號然後看到有報載而且在整個教文的這個版面呢有一整系列的一個報導\n\n00:41.129 --> 01:01.991\n那七月中呢其實是我們在準備開學的一個時間但是它基本上是暑假所以我就非常密切的關心這一件事那也很感謝今天有這個機會來更深度了解這裡面所談的我們其實還有在準備的部分在開學的狀況跟未來要執行的一個情形所以\n\n01:04.634 --> 01:29.854\n在開學前我一直聽到有一個狀況就是這樣一個班班有鮮乳的政策那大家目前準備好的就是班班有調酒乳飽酒乳那這個飽酒乳這個部分依照今天這個相關部會準備的資料不知道我是不是現在可以請我們教育部長跟農業部今天是次長我們一起來探討這個問題好不好我們有請鄭部長還有我們杜次長\n\n01:35.823 --> 01:53.989\n部長,在你們的報告裏面談到目前你們供應的有關於牛奶大概是百分之二十點七六那包酒乳是七十五點七七百分比然後這個高鈣的豆乳大概有這個含鈣的豆乳三點四百分比左右那你們知道這個數據怎麼來的嗎?\n\n01:57.798 --> 02:10.704\n跟委員報告,這是7月22日這個調查來的,跟各地方政府。各地方政府送上來的嗎?是。那我想請問一下,布裡面是不是有那個乳糖不賴症在台灣大概有多少比例?\n\n02:14.557 --> 02:21.906\n你們這邊列的那個乳糖不帶症報上來有3.4可是實際情形是這樣嗎?你們檢視的這個狀況是這是各校各地方政府報上來的嗎?\n\n02:30.737 --> 02:59.514\n那你確定我們所有有關於食品有關於乳品的需求是這樣子的條件嗎這是各地方政府報上來那在七月份你們讓各地方政府報上來那七月是暑假齁然後這個需求你們確定所有的比例是這樣子嗎這個比例問題我給部裡面一個建議啦乳糖不耐症到底在台灣有學童裡面比例真正是佔多少不是說地方政府報上來喔而是\n\n03:00.939 --> 03:23.925\n我直接講一個建議啦我們在施政的時候經常都是主管單位的方便性然後我們就叫相關的單位來配合所以我想確定的是這個數據是準的嗎有沒有可能因為第一你們要地方政府報上來那中間這裡面其實談到冷鏈的問題談到牛奶還有包酒乳\n\n03:25.202 --> 03:49.661\n如何保藏的這個問題它有沒有可能造成大家在這個過程當中一個方便性因為你們在暑假期間教大家做這件事情那在開學的一個因應跟準備上大家來不來得及做所以它是報上來的數據它是真正的數據嗎?我們在母唐不賴鎮在台灣的數據有多少?依據我查了相關的研究在亞洲地區大概有60%\n\n03:52.048 --> 04:01.294\n所以要不要查一下那所以我來接下來來問一下請問我們這個政策目標是什麼?教育部的部分跟農業部的部分我都想聽一下\n\n04:03.018 --> 04:22.049\n謝謝委員的一個關心也謝謝委員的提醒因為確實我們其實根據一些相關的研究就發現兒童的一個成長過程裡邊對鈣的一個補充以及蛋白質的一個補充是關係到兒童的是否能夠健康的一個發展所以\n\n04:23.010 --> 04:49.246\n教育部跟農業部我們其實念茲在茲就是怎麼樣讓學童更健康嘛對不對是是是好的那我可以這邊請教一下那個農業部次長那請問您知道那個鈣的補充成分有哪一些嗎來源其實鈣的來源乳、蛋、肉其實都有但是鮮乳是最方便的因為一份的鮮乳大概可以補充一天所需要是應該畢業蔬菜也有這個可能性\n\n04:50.066 --> 05:13.680\n所以,你們的政策目標是不是教育部跟農業部也是一樣嗎?農業部你們的政策目標是什麼?當然是希望我們的學童能夠有…希望學童更健康嘛。是的。那我想了解一下,所以在我們這個希望學童更健康的政策概念下,那農業部,你們跟這個什麼乳牛產業的這個升級計畫跟這個這件事情的關係是什麼?你們用的經費是哪邊來的?\n\n05:14.600 --> 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