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00:02:48,684\n我們總共編224.4億好現在呢到去年為止花了187億那您認為有花到真5G嗎我讓你知道沒有對在部分地區現在是5G有5G但是部分地區現在看起來還是沒有是假5G是在4G的模擬系統我們認定它為5G是嗎\n\n9\n00:03:09,349 --> 00:03:29,078\n也就是我們的這個DSS的系統這是4G的虛擬系統的4G的系統然後呢我們變成說它是5G可是真的5G的國產你要達到產業的申請你都要解決行人地獄你的5G叫真5G是要在Oren的情況之下好所以主委你現在在收爛攤子\n\n10\n00:03:31,179 --> 00:03:59,864\n你的124.4億到去年已經花了187億我們做到現在人民所檢視的就是說我的捷運、高鐵、隧道部分的偏鄉為什麼訊號還是不穩定還是出現網路斷訊呢如果我已經花了200我已經花了187億了要建置5G了理論上我的高鐵隧道這是最普及人民、全國老百姓最在意的\n\n11\n00:04:01,121 --> 00:04:27,176\n好那呢這邊呢今年呢就剩下了67.44億好主委您看一下喔這222.4億你花了187億要作為做到增5G可是你們沒有你們是在假在4G的系統之下去做放5G的系統可是偏偏的我這個放5G的系統真的要做5G的時候歐元的時候是嫁接不上的這句話你認同嗎\n\n12\n00:04:30,356 --> 00:04:49,608\n目前的確是有改善空間我自己自己有體會不是改善空間是根本沒有辦法你的是根本沒有辦法嫁接主委你的認知這個你要很清楚如果還有改善表示技術上是可以調整事實上是不行的5G的Oren是要真的系統你的222.4億你之前180億不是要去補助那個這個所謂的4G系統的\n\n13\n00:04:54,571 --> 00:04:58,935\n是要補助整個完整的建制這就是國內的電信政策錯誤的選擇嘛我們選擇了YMES導致了整個3G、4G國產的崩盤現在就看5G我能不能國產或者我們在5G照這樣你沒有趕快的調整政策方向的話那表示你現在補助的剩下的67.44億的目標是什麼是促進國產品牌欸\n\n14\n00:05:20,632 --> 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