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00:01:28,283\n因為他們地方政府跟焚化爐的簽約的廠商有一些合約的關係所以其實我知道他們有一定的比例大概需要來燒事業廢棄物原鄉地區常常是水源的一個保護區那我們的那個我是希望把我們垃圾山尤其是像尖石啊梨山啊蘭嶼這些比較屬於觀光地區的是不是優先處理不然它永遠都停在轉運跟清運的問題你有去看過我們原鄉的垃圾山嗎\n\n5\n00:01:29,043 --> 00:01:52,139\n還沒有我目前只到南投但是我希望可以跟我委員再去看一下上次我去蘭嶼的時候還有發生過火災那你說現在是要用AI來測試對不對我希望你是因為現在比較難以達到的地方而不是很好很容易達到的地方你就先AI對不對好可以那個人數少的地方人力缺的地方就應該先做來AI來幫忙好\n\n6\n00:01:53,356 --> 00:02:22,496\n那也就是說目前台中市政府這邊一直停在2023年那個700公噸這個垃圾因為它的道路中斷有沒有想過用空運的方法?空運的成本是非常非常高啦那這個部分我們環環署署長有一個對策是跟委員報告目前這個梨山跟福壽山農場附近大概有700公噸因為道路中斷的關係他們是現在是協調其他可以\n\n7\n00:02:27,918 --> 00:02:44,844\n一年兩年三年就忘記了就變成垃圾山真的山了我希望你不要忘記而且不是只有和平我們還有仁愛鄉阿里山鄉納瑪夏茂林跟桃園這些比較偏遠的地區都需要你們幫忙來垃圾清運跟轉運可以嗎\n\n8\n00:02:45,584 --> 00:03:06,272\n報告委員其實這個就是說因為原民他我們可以幫忙送到下面之後來處理啦但是這段的這個交通的費用可能要我們需要跟原民會來能夠來磋商因為希望能夠他們原民會的經費已經不夠了你不能再跟他要請我們自己要想辦法我們比他們還少欸因為他其實路程非常的遙遠啊\n\n9\n00:03:07,232 --> 00:03:34,295\n現在我們一直都是希望透過我們的綠色和平組織或者是一些志工來幫忙清理山上的垃圾尤其是登山路線那你有沒有走過南安瀑布一直到水裡這條山路還沒有大概要走一個禮拜的時間好像上次2022年這個綠色和平組織在仁愛鄉清了500公斤的垃圾瀑布我相信很多地區應該都是這樣只是沒有人去清那現在鄉公所他們會提那個什麼\n\n10\n00:03:34,735 --> 00:04:00,626\n多位護隊阿生態維護隊還有這些環境維護可是我在想這些人力一定是不夠的你為了鼓勵這些原鄉7年能夠在地就業或者是說很多四五十歲的已經沒有辦法已經斷層沒有辦法再從事勞力工作的他其實就可以轉化變成我們相公所來雇用他們來整理我們所有山上的道路或者是我們登山的路線不然以後登山路線就變成垃圾山了\n\n11\n00:04:01,854 --> 00:04:22,387\n好你可以去想辦法嗎把這個我們我們原住民在地就業的部分也可以幫忙來解決這個環境的維護這樣我甚至在競選期間跑到信義鄉1010在看的時候我真的好希望那個林議長就是我們的環境志工每個月給他500塊到800或是1000塊的一個環境費用因為美林跟美林的距離都非常遠\n\n12\n00:04:22,807 --> 00:04:23,927\n好委員這個我們來列入考慮好不好好謝謝\n\n13\n00:04:52,273 --> 00:05:19,305\n然後最近新竹武風鄉有跟我要求說看看能不能有一個固定式的那個激勢器因為很多人都到山上就丟棄垃圾那他們的環境部給我們的答案是說要用移動式可是移動式要有人力我們要的是固定式所以固定式的話就是不予補助那我想說讓部長來知道這個問題你可以想辦法逐年編列不一定要一次到位嘛你可以每年每年編啊\n\n14\n00:05:20,585 --> 00:05:48,682\n委員這個我請我們署長去現場勘查好不好OK好謝謝還有就是關於我們高空作業車現在你只有補助垃圾車跟資源回收車可是山上很多是樹枝他會打到那個電線然後造成停電就算沒有下雨也會停電那就是因為沒有這些高空作業車可是高空作業車他們問的時候就說不是環境不管的然後跟縣政府說縣政府沒有錢那到底是誰要來付這個高空作業車\n\n15\n00:05:50,126 --> 00:06:08,973\n如果他是這個縣道的話應該是縣政府啦因為這個是道路這個我們環境部沒有相關這樣的用車環保局也沒有這個用車所以是縣政府縣政府或是說公路總局等等公路總局看那個路是什麼誰在主管的可是原住民的路常常不是縣道啊也不是常常是農路啊\n\n16\n00:06:10,183 --> 00:06:38,417\n所以我在想觀光作業在這個部分還是要去想辦法解決而不是一直互相推來推去現在卓西鄉公所田鄉長跟我要一個希望能夠找到一個資源就是我們找不到所以這個部分就很像就就反正就推來推去找不到一個香港當然可以對應最後一個就是我們關於原鄉發展的露營觀光現在最多是在南投跟苗栗那現在一般失業廢棄物處理就是說我們的那個\n\n17\n00:06:39,868 --> 00:07:00,722\n我們先講到那個垃圾隨帶徵收的部分目前是堅實相第一個就是4848塊對一般民眾來講這是48塊是非常實在是太高了能不能因為他他已經通過這個法律了代表會也公告所以我的意思是說是不是我們環境部可以幫忙這個錢至少50或者是45啊這樣\n\n18\n00:07:04,746 --> 00:07:20,442\n這個是我們的會計務協助處理會隨代徵收那現在的話他要徵收的對象的話是民眾所以的話有一個價錢在那邊那是不是容許就是說我們再去跟這個實際上去跟他訪問他的一個所謂的成本的估算那我們看看有沒有什麼可以協助的地方\n\n19\n00:07:21,122 --> 00:07:47,370\n對因為48塊確實太高好不好然後那污水處理廠的部分就是我們常常都在水源地然後發展觀光他一定要水保可是這些費用還要叫我們原住民來自己出比如說埋設管線啊管路啊還有水土保持計畫書啊這些對原住民來說這是非常大的成本然後已經夠難合法化了結果呢這個法規一出來\n\n20\n00:07:48,130 --> 00:08:16,896\n只要觸犯這個法律就要罰300萬你說誰要開露營區包委其實這個開露營區它是一個營利行為那我自己也去路過幾個營那特別是靠山區那其實他們都做得很好啦那其實我也特別問了我們的司長其實那個花費沒有幾百萬啦幾十萬而已啦然後其實這個是一個因為你要營利當然要以永續為目的那你如果沒有處理好的話那當然這個遊客就不會想去了\n\n21\n00:08:17,296 --> 00:08:39,341\n所以這個我們還是鼓勵他們要自己去做三名還是跟我提出了這個建議希望說還是由中央來幫忙至少有一些補助啦因為我們現在你看嘛你要開個錄音區已經要花很多錢了他又要再因為這個法規又要再偵測我們的污水處理廠沒有錯這個這些事情很重要可是費用非常的高昂對一般原住民來講是非常的高\n\n22\n00:08:40,230 --> 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委員 這個我們來列入考慮好不好 好 謝謝\n然後最近新竹武風鄉有跟我要求說看看能不能有一個固定式的那個激勢器因為很多人都到山上就丟棄垃圾那他們的環境部給我們的答案是說要用移動式可是移動式要有人力我們要的是固定式所以固定式的話就是不予補助那我想說讓部長來知道這個問題你可以想辦法逐年編列不一定要一次到位嘛你可以每年每年編啊\n委員這個我請我們署長去現場勘查好不好OK好謝謝還有就是關於我們高空作業車現在你只有補助垃圾車跟資源回收車可是山上很多是樹枝他會打到那個電線然後造成停電就算沒有下雨也會停電那就是因為沒有這些高空作業車可是高空作業車他們問的時候就說不是環境不管的然後跟縣政府說縣政府沒有錢那到底是誰要來付這個高空作業車\n如果他是這個縣道的話應該是縣政府啦因為這個是道路 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