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00:03:11,398\n這我不知道我們有開店嗎?通訊都一天一天已經足夠很長的時間讓它進行一些詐騙的事情那同時我想請問警政署就你們在偵辦的時候因為這種通訊軟體帳號給他們偷騙他們大部分都是在臉書還是在LINE那現在臉書或LINE他們的公司對配合程度怎麼樣?\n\n9\n00:03:12,492 --> 00:03:40,855\n那我們是不是會調閱一些加害人或者是被害人的一個相關資料?來,就像誰可以回答?檢討署先回答委員好,謝謝委員垂訊這個問題是刑事局的副局長我來回答有關在調閱這些涉案人臉書的資料跟LINE的資料目前臉書有14項罪名可以調那可是LINE的部分它堅持要我們用搜索票才可以做調閱所以現在是LINE的部分是比較辛苦的\n\n10\n00:03:41,195 --> 00:04:07,347\n我們要請到搜索票才可以調閱相關的資料簡單講當然是不配合啦當然是不配合啦但你請到搜索票他們才會騙多少人啊那過去部長齁黃部長你我上次主席你你都講過嘛你說你會找找臉書溝通啊對不對你又要請人家臉書喔你又要請人家臉書喔他一藏起來都不配合所有的詐騙大部分都躲在臉書\n\n11\n00:04:08,626 --> 00:04:09,727\n的確我們看到很多詐騙是經過臉書的尤其是投資詐騙假名人或是臉書這樣的詐騙\n\n12\n00:04:24,855 --> 00:04:46,490\n那這個數目包括委員那個我們雖然打詐裝潢還沒有完全實施但是臉書已經開始來配合所以我們現在一個月從過去大概有8萬多個假就金融詐騙的那個廣告到現在是要下降到1萬4千多不是開始配合啦因為詐騙這麼嚴重臉書才剛剛要配合應該要全面配合嘛對不對\n\n13\n00:04:48,671 --> 00:05:14,373\n對沒錯啦那個我們10月31號他們要提出台灣的所謂法律代表對那我現在跟你提啦那很多人是最無辜的啦他的帳號被盜了那他發生一個事情喔比如說LINE你的LINE被盜了他沒有辦法回覆喔就報警了以後啊警方沒有辦法LINE公司沒有辦法把你原來的LINE還給你啦\n\n14\n00:05:15,424 --> 00:05:41,364\n也就是說使用者無辜的使用者他原來在上面在通訊軟體上面的聯絡人也好啦照片影片啦什麼聊天群組啦一些相關資訊全部都不見了他們要求你重新設一個帳號部長你覺得怎麼樣你知道這種狀況吧造成那個被害人啦他極度不方便我接到很多民眾這樣的反應但實際上啦不應該這樣子啦\n\n15\n00:05:45,974 --> 00:06:13,765\n來我給你看看這是我們經濟部、事務發展部自己修正的即時通訊軟體服務定型化契約你在這個契約裡面有寫到如果是因為這種狀況就已經不便宜那麼像奈野這種公司他有責任他回復給原使用者你知不知道上面有這樣規定\n\n16\n00:06:15,953 --> 00:06:39,382\n我看你也不知道啦你也不知道啦消費者因中端設備因為更換或者被不法入侵導致帳號遭刪除的時候那麼你要檢據相關資料向企業經營者就是向LINE或者是Message就是臉書請求協助回覆帳號\n\n17\n00:06:41,107 --> 00:06:41,287\n林俊憲\n\n18\n00:07:05,851 --> 00:07:19,879\n你帳號被盜可能還沒造成任何損失比如說你報警那檢方幫你處理好了但是被騙者只有他會造成損失因為他的東西要不回來了他在軟體上面收的資料都沒有了這檔部長你知道嗎\n\n19\n00:07:23,203 --> 00:07:40,355\n定期外企業是不是有?來,誰可以回答?這個定期外企業是數位產業署這邊訂定的,這個我們目前也會再跟那裡溝通,因為他常常說這個…什麼溝通?你叫客戶走那裡溝通?他技術做得到啦,我也再給你們參考,遊戲軟體啦,玩遊戲啦,很容易帳號被盜,但是遊戲公司會完整的還給你。\n\n20\n00:07:47,028 --> 00:08:12,200\n你被騙者權力不會受損他會及時幫你擋下來只要有LINE這種或者是MATCH就是那個臉書的他全部叫你重來那你怎麼對?那為什麼遊戲軟體做得到?遊戲公司做得到?你通訊軟體做不到?是不是?你被騙了你就受傷了這個不困難而且契約上很明顯記載保護消費者你怎麼做?\n\n21\n00:08:17,073 --> 00:08:33,869\n這兩個單位要負責我看上面寫數話部嘛對這個機制通信是我們訂的對這是數話部督導的那是不是應該要要求這個訂刑法契約我們再看看怎麼去處理他一定要要求叫KL走啊\n\n22\n00:08:34,844 --> 00:08:55,152\n你不要讓我們被害者造成無謂被害者造成再更進一步傷害啊那上面的影片照片啊什麼通訊啊通訊群組啊聯絡人啊那全部都沒了我現在見到很多人大家同情為了這個原因啊後來我去了解我說奇怪了那遊戲被盜帳號被盜\n\n23\n00:08:58,151 --> 00:09:26,047\n那遊戲公司可以完整的恢復給你那為什麼你們的通訊軟體沒辦法後來我去查你們的那個定性化契約很明顯很明顯清楚寫到啊如果因為被詐騙導致就不法入侵啊那你這麼定表示說你也知道說他們做得到啊那這些公司這些通訊軟體公司做得到啊他們沒有做啊甚至我我覺得你們你們官員也不知道有這樣的一個規定啊好不好\n\n24\n00:09:26,977 --> 00:09:27,417\n謝謝林俊憲委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3993\t26403\t謝謝主席本期邀請我們速發部黃岩南部長黃部長我們NCC黃主委黃代理主委黃主委警政署警政署今天誰來副組長刑事李副組長副局長好了我問一下詐騙詐騙專辦的事情刑事局一起來好部長\n32478\t51427\t林委員好部長好那我今天在跟你討論就是我們有六個國家重大施政的就是打擊詐騙那根據警政署的統計台灣過去假借這種親友名義就假親友的詐騙\n52748\t67302\t曾經一陣子很高啦那後來這種手法老舊了所以數量又減少最近又變多了警政署統計說假借親友的詐騙數量只有10%但是它會造成一個狀況\n68823\t90086\t什麼狀況呢?最近很多民眾跟我反映我們在座的人可能都會接到我們的朋友告訴我們說我的帳號被盜了如果有人跟你借錢那不是真的我不知道你們有沒有這樣的經驗那你的朋友可能他的Nine帳號被盜或是WhatsApp什麼樣的反正就是他的一些通訊軟體被盜用了\n91779\t119290\t現在這種詐騙手法越來越厲害了普通人要你參考用什麼寵物投票寶寶模特兒很可愛、很漂亮的東西利用人性柔軟的一面你就點擊進去給你輸入簡單的很快的你進去你就會你的帳篷就整個退了那現在問題在哪裡呢問題就是說那他\n120513\t137285\t當他取代你,他把你踢走了,他利用你的內帳號,那你的內帳號裡面的人,他都一定都是你的親朋好友嘛,他有主意的發假訊息,要去救急啦,要去衝啦,就開始詐騙嘛。那通常啊,都是當事人發現,就報案。\n140306\t163485\t誰會先發現?一定是原來的使用者嘛,他才發現他被淘汰。所以大概一個程序是這樣,發現被盜然後報警,然後那裡就暫停處理。但是這個時間大概要一天,如果你發現你的帳號被盜,那請問你跟你的通訊軟體社交平台反映,他多久會把你的帳號幫你停掉?\n165253\t191398\t這我不知道我們有開店嗎?通訊都一天一天已經足夠很長的時間讓它進行一些詐騙的事情那同時我想請問警政署就你們在偵辦的時候因為這種通訊軟體帳號給他們偷騙他們大部分都是在臉書還是在LINE那現在臉書或LINE他們的公司對配合程度怎麼樣?\n192492\t220855\t那我們是不是會調閱一些加害人或者是被害人的一個相關資料?來,就像誰可以回答?檢討署先回答委員好,謝謝委員垂訊這個問題是刑事局的副局長我來回答有關在調閱這些涉案人臉書的資料跟LINE的資料目前臉書有14項罪名可以調那可是LINE的部分它堅持要我們用搜索票才可以做調閱所以現在是LINE的部分是比較辛苦的\n221195\t247347\t我們要請到搜索票才可以調閱相關的資料簡單講當然是不配合啦當然是不配合啦但你請到搜索票他們才會騙多少人啊那過去部長齁黃部長你我上次主席你你都講過嘛你說你會找找臉書溝通啊對不對你又要請人家臉書喔你又要請人家臉書喔他一藏起來都不配合所有的詐騙大部分都躲在臉書\n248626\t249727\t的確我們看到很多詐騙是經過臉書的尤其是投資詐騙假名人或是臉書這樣的詐騙\n264855\t286490\t那這個數目包括委員那個我們雖然打詐裝潢還沒有完全實施但是臉書已經開始來配合所以我們現在一個月從過去大概有8萬多個假就金融詐騙的那個廣告到現在是要下降到1萬4千多不是開始配合啦因為詐騙這麼嚴重臉書才剛剛要配合應該要全面配合嘛對不對\n288671\t314373\t對沒錯啦那個我們10月31號他們要提出台灣的所謂法律代表對那我現在跟你提啦那很多人是最無辜的啦他的帳號被盜了那他發生一個事情喔比如說LINE你的LINE被盜了他沒有辦法回覆喔就報警了以後啊警方沒有辦法LINE公司沒有辦法把你原來的LINE還給你啦\n315424\t341364\t也就是說使用者無辜的使用者他原來在上面在通訊軟體上面的聯絡人也好啦照片影片啦什麼聊天群組啦一些相關資訊全部都不見了他們要求你重新設一個帳號部長你覺得怎麼樣你知道這種狀況吧造成那個被害人啦他極度不方便我接到很多民眾這樣的反應但實際上啦不應該這樣子啦\n345974\t373765\t來我給你看看這是我們經濟部、事務發展部自己修正的即時通訊軟體服務定型化契約你在這個契約裡面有寫到如果是因為這種狀況就已經不便宜那麼像奈野這種公司他有責任他回復給原使用者你知不知道上面有這樣規定\n375953\t399382\t我看你也不知道啦你也不知道啦消費者因中端設備因為更換或者被不法入侵導致帳號遭刪除的時候那麼你要檢據相關資料向企業經營者就是向LINE或者是Message就是臉書請求協助回覆帳號\n401107\t401287\t林俊憲\n425851\t439879\t你帳號被盜可能還沒造成任何損失比如說你報警那檢方幫你處理好了但是被騙者只有他會造成損失因為他的東西要不回來了他在軟體上面收的資料都沒有了這檔部長你知道嗎\n443203\t460355\t定期外企業是不是有?來,誰可以回答?這個定期外企業是數位產業署這邊訂定的,這個我們目前也會再跟那裡溝通,因為他常常說這個…什麼溝通?你叫客戶走那裡溝通?他技術做得到啦,我也再給你們參考,遊戲軟體啦,玩遊戲啦,很容易帳號被盜,但是遊戲公司會完整的還給你。\n467028\t492200\t你被騙者權力不會受損他會及時幫你擋下來只要有LINE這種或者是MATCH就是那個臉書的他全部叫你重來那你怎麼對?那為什麼遊戲軟體做得到?遊戲公司做得到?你通訊軟體做不到?是不是?你被騙了你就受傷了這個不困難而且契約上很明顯記載保護消費者你怎麼做?\n497073\t513869\t這兩個單位要負責我看上面寫數話部嘛對 這個機制通信是我們訂的對 這是數話部督導的那是不是應該要要求這個訂刑法契約我們再看看怎麼去處理他一定要要求叫KL走啊\n514844\t535152\t你不要讓我們被害者造成無謂被害者造成再更進一步傷害啊那上面的影片照片啊什麼通訊啊通訊群組啊聯絡人啊那全部都沒了我現在見到很多人大家同情為了這個原因啊後來我去了解我說奇怪了那遊戲被盜帳號被盜\n538151\t566047\t那遊戲公司可以完整的恢復給你那為什麼你們的通訊軟體沒辦法後來我去查你們的那個定性化契約很明顯很明顯清楚寫到啊如果因為被詐騙導致就不法入侵啊那你這麼定表示說你也知道說他們做得到啊那這些公司這些通訊軟體公司做得到啊他們沒有做啊甚至我 我覺得你們你們官員也不知道有這樣的一個規定啊好不好\n566977\t567417\t謝謝林俊憲委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席本期邀請我們速發部黃岩南部長黃部長我們NCC黃主委黃代理主委黃主委警政署警政署今天誰來副組長刑事李副組長副局長好了我問一下詐騙詐騙專辦的事情刑事局一起來好部長\n林委員好部長好那我今天在跟你討論就是我們有六個國家重大施政的就是打擊詐騙那根據警政署的統計台灣過去假借這種親友名義就假親友的詐騙\n曾經一陣子很高啦那後來這種手法老舊了所以數量又減少最近又變多了警政署統計說假借親友的詐騙數量只有10%但是它會造成一個狀況\n什麼狀況呢?最近很多民眾跟我反映我們在座的人可能都會接到我們的朋友告訴我們說我的帳號被盜了如果有人跟你借錢那不是真的我不知道你們有沒有這樣的經驗那你的朋友可能他的Nine帳號被盜或是WhatsApp什麼樣的反正就是他的一些通訊軟體被盜用了\n現在這種詐騙手法越來越厲害了普通人要你參考用什麼寵物投票寶寶模特兒很可愛、很漂亮的東西利用人性柔軟的一面你就點擊進去給你輸入簡單的很快的你進去你就會你的帳篷就整個退了那現在問題在哪裡呢問題就是說那他\n當他取代你,他把你踢走了,他利用你的內帳號,那你的內帳號裡面的人,他都一定都是你的親朋好友嘛,他有主意的發假訊息,要去救急啦,要去衝啦,就開始詐騙嘛。那通常啊,都是當事人發現,就報案。\n誰會先發現?一定是原來的使用者嘛,他才發現他被淘汰。所以大概一個程序是這樣,發現被盜然後報警,然後那裡就暫停處理。但是這個時間大概要一天,如果你發現你的帳號被盜,那請問你跟你的通訊軟體社交平台反映,他多久會把你的帳號幫你停掉?\n這我不知道我們有開店嗎?通訊都一天一天已經足夠很長的時間讓它進行一些詐騙的事情那同時我想請問警政署就你們在偵辦的時候因為這種通訊軟體帳號給他們偷騙他們大部分都是在臉書還是在LINE那現在臉書或LINE他們的公司對配合程度怎麼樣?\n那我們是不是會調閱一些加害人或者是被害人的一個相關資料?來,就像誰可以回答?檢討署先回答委員好,謝謝委員垂訊這個問題是刑事局的副局長我來回答有關在調閱這些涉案人臉書的資料跟LINE的資料目前臉書有14項罪名可以調那可是LINE的部分它堅持要我們用搜索票才可以做調閱所以現在是LINE的部分是比較辛苦的\n我們要請到搜索票才可以調閱相關的資料簡單講當然是不配合啦當然是不配合啦但你請到搜索票他們才會騙多少人啊那過去部長齁黃部長你我上次主席你你都講過嘛你說你會找找臉書溝通啊對不對你又要請人家臉書喔你又要請人家臉書喔他一藏起來都不配合所有的詐騙大部分都躲在臉書\n的確我們看到很多詐騙是經過臉書的尤其是投資詐騙假名人或是臉書這樣的詐騙\n那這個數目包括委員那個我們雖然打詐裝潢還沒有完全實施但是臉書已經開始來配合所以我們現在一個月從過去大概有8萬多個假就金融詐騙的那個廣告到現在是要下降到1萬4千多不是開始配合啦因為詐騙這麼嚴重臉書才剛剛要配合應該要全面配合嘛對不對\n對沒錯啦那個我們10月31號他們要提出台灣的所謂法律代表對那我現在跟你提啦那很多人是最無辜的啦他的帳號被盜了那他發生一個事情喔比如說LINE你的LINE被盜了他沒有辦法回覆喔就報警了以後啊警方沒有辦法LINE公司沒有辦法把你原來的LINE還給你啦\n也就是說使用者無辜的使用者他原來在上面在通訊軟體上面的聯絡人也好啦照片影片啦什麼聊天群組啦一些相關資訊全部都不見了他們要求你重新設一個帳號部長你覺得怎麼樣你知道這種狀況吧造成那個被害人啦他極度不方便我接到很多民眾這樣的反應但實際上啦不應該這樣子啦\n來我給你看看這是我們經濟部、事務發展部自己修正的即時通訊軟體服務定型化契約你在這個契約裡面有寫到如果是因為這種狀況就已經不便宜那麼像奈野這種公司他有責任他回復給原使用者你知不知道上面有這樣規定\n我看你也不知道啦你也不知道啦消費者因中端設備因為更換或者被不法入侵導致帳號遭刪除的時候那麼你要檢據相關資料向企業經營者就是向LINE或者是Message就是臉書請求協助回覆帳號\n林俊憲\n你帳號被盜可能還沒造成任何損失比如說你報警那檢方幫你處理好了但是被騙者只有他會造成損失因為他的東西要不回來了他在軟體上面收的資料都沒有了這檔部長你知道嗎\n定期外企業是不是有?來,誰可以回答?這個定期外企業是數位產業署這邊訂定的,這個我們目前也會再跟那裡溝通,因為他常常說這個…什麼溝通?你叫客戶走那裡溝通?他技術做得到啦,我也再給你們參考,遊戲軟體啦,玩遊戲啦,很容易帳號被盜,但是遊戲公司會完整的還給你。\n你被騙者權力不會受損他會及時幫你擋下來只要有LINE這種或者是MATCH就是那個臉書的他全部叫你重來那你怎麼對?那為什麼遊戲軟體做得到?遊戲公司做得到?你通訊軟體做不到?是不是?你被騙了你就受傷了這個不困難而且契約上很明顯記載保護消費者你怎麼做?\n這兩個單位要負責我看上面寫數話部嘛對 這個機制通信是我們訂的對 這是數話部督導的那是不是應該要要求這個訂刑法契約我們再看看怎麼去處理他一定要要求叫KL走啊\n你不要讓我們被害者造成無謂被害者造成再更進一步傷害啊那上面的影片照片啊什麼通訊啊通訊群組啊聯絡人啊那全部都沒了我現在見到很多人大家同情為了這個原因啊後來我去了解我說奇怪了那遊戲被盜帳號被盜\n那遊戲公司可以完整的恢復給你那為什麼你們的通訊軟體沒辦法後來我去查你們的那個定性化契約很明顯很明顯清楚寫到啊如果因為被詐騙導致就不法入侵啊那你這麼定表示說你也知道說他們做得到啊那這些公司這些通訊軟體公司做得到啊他們沒有做啊甚至我 我覺得你們你們官員也不知道有這樣的一個規定啊好不好\n謝謝林俊憲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.993 --> 00:26.403\n謝謝主席本期邀請我們速發部黃岩南部長黃部長我們NCC黃主委黃代理主委黃主委警政署警政署今天誰來副組長刑事李副組長副局長好了我問一下詐騙詐騙專辦的事情刑事局一起來好部長\n\n00:32.478 --> 00:51.427\n林委員好部長好那我今天在跟你討論就是我們有六個國家重大施政的就是打擊詐騙那根據警政署的統計台灣過去假借這種親友名義就假親友的詐騙\n\n00:52.748 --> 01:07.302\n曾經一陣子很高啦那後來這種手法老舊了所以數量又減少最近又變多了警政署統計說假借親友的詐騙數量只有10%但是它會造成一個狀況\n\n01:08.823 --> 01:30.086\n什麼狀況呢?最近很多民眾跟我反映我們在座的人可能都會接到我們的朋友告訴我們說我的帳號被盜了如果有人跟你借錢那不是真的我不知道你們有沒有這樣的經驗那你的朋友可能他的Nine帳號被盜或是WhatsApp什麼樣的反正就是他的一些通訊軟體被盜用了\n\n01:31.779 --> 01:59.290\n現在這種詐騙手法越來越厲害了普通人要你參考用什麼寵物投票寶寶模特兒很可愛、很漂亮的東西利用人性柔軟的一面你就點擊進去給你輸入簡單的很快的你進去你就會你的帳篷就整個退了那現在問題在哪裡呢問題就是說那他\n\n02:00.513 --> 02:17.285\n當他取代你,他把你踢走了,他利用你的內帳號,那你的內帳號裡面的人,他都一定都是你的親朋好友嘛,他有主意的發假訊息,要去救急啦,要去衝啦,就開始詐騙嘛。那通常啊,都是當事人發現,就報案。\n\n02:20.306 --> 02:43.485\n誰會先發現?一定是原來的使用者嘛,他才發現他被淘汰。所以大概一個程序是這樣,發現被盜然後報警,然後那裡就暫停處理。但是這個時間大概要一天,如果你發現你的帳號被盜,那請問你跟你的通訊軟體社交平台反映,他多久會把你的帳號幫你停掉?\n\n02:45.253 --> 03:11.398\n這我不知道我們有開店嗎?通訊都一天一天已經足夠很長的時間讓它進行一些詐騙的事情那同時我想請問警政署就你們在偵辦的時候因為這種通訊軟體帳號給他們偷騙他們大部分都是在臉書還是在LINE那現在臉書或LINE他們的公司對配合程度怎麼樣?\n\n03:12.492 --> 03:40.855\n那我們是不是會調閱一些加害人或者是被害人的一個相關資料?來,就像誰可以回答?檢討署先回答委員好,謝謝委員垂訊這個問題是刑事局的副局長我來回答有關在調閱這些涉案人臉書的資料跟LINE的資料目前臉書有14項罪名可以調那可是LINE的部分它堅持要我們用搜索票才可以做調閱所以現在是LINE的部分是比較辛苦的\n\n03:41.195 --> 04:07.347\n我們要請到搜索票才可以調閱相關的資料簡單講當然是不配合啦當然是不配合啦但你請到搜索票他們才會騙多少人啊那過去部長齁黃部長你我上次主席你你都講過嘛你說你會找找臉書溝通啊對不對你又要請人家臉書喔你又要請人家臉書喔他一藏起來都不配合所有的詐騙大部分都躲在臉書\n\n04:08.626 --> 04:09.727\n的確我們看到很多詐騙是經過臉書的尤其是投資詐騙假名人或是臉書這樣的詐騙\n\n04:24.855 --> 04:46.490\n那這個數目包括委員那個我們雖然打詐裝潢還沒有完全實施但是臉書已經開始來配合所以我們現在一個月從過去大概有8萬多個假就金融詐騙的那個廣告到現在是要下降到1萬4千多不是開始配合啦因為詐騙這麼嚴重臉書才剛剛要配合應該要全面配合嘛對不對\n\n04:48.671 --> 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