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00:00:59,839\n但是本席也是要講說這個垃圾處理其實挑戰非常的大當然不是只有部長的責任但是因為你今天來到了這個角色上面你就有這個你握有權力握有資源所以是要很認真的去處理那我看你今天的報告說在這個裸露的垃圾場裡面呢你們其實已經有把84噸降到了72萬噸那但是一個風災過後\n\n3\n00:01:04,401 --> 00:01:33,257\n這一次的山陀爾颱風你們有沒有統計過這一次山陀爾颱風所帶進來的這個製造的整體的垃圾量它破壞環境所產生的垃圾量大概有多少包委員因為那個風災離現在結束還不到一個禮拜我們通常是一個禮拜統計一次現在資料還沒有進來所以你們還沒有掌握還沒有掌握到但是以這一次它對於南部的影響光是這個公共區域我們看到的這個應該垃圾量是增加不少所以你好不容易下降的這一些垃圾可能要瞬間\n\n4\n00:01:33,797 --> 00:01:34,057\n王育敏議員\n\n5\n00:01:50,126 --> 00:02:18,520\n所以風災水災過後這一些垃圾清運的補助我看到你在報告裡面特別提到你有特別有一頁特別提到說各縣市垃圾清運恢復正常那各縣市經費需求屏東有164萬高雄市需要加班費基隆台東還在盤點是各縣市需求予以協助請問你這是一個常態性的機制還是這次颱風才有\n\n6\n00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:44,105\n委員這常態性的就是說遇到災害的時候地方有他的這個準備金應變的那如果不夠的話他會來跟我們申請那算是凱敏颱風的時候有補助嗎有我們金額是不是請我們署長來來署長是會跟大家講一下你們補助的標準是什麼還有你經費的來源是來自哪裡是我們的那個移緩季節還有我們的準備金都有那會預先\n\n7\n00:02:45,885 --> 00:03:11,235\n先撥到地方政府像113年先撥了4050幾萬到地方政府那後續如果不夠的話地方準備已經用完之後可以依實際的支出狀況來跟我們申請那你都會補到組嗎有一個分配的比例啦原則上我們盡量來做那會不會比較晚申請的就沒有也不會啦不會\n\n8\n00:03:12,515 --> 00:03:29,206\n那六都會比較多其他縣市比較少不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會\n\n9\n00:03:33,362 --> 00:03:53,502\n所以彈性標準都在署長這邊,你們決定?就是依照實際的所以他如果報100萬就可以有100萬,報200萬會有200萬,也沒有啊?你的最高上限是多少?目前是沒有所謂最高上限的,但是所以你非常的彈性齁,這個我聽懂了,就是完全是市、地方\n\n10\n00:03:55,089 --> 00:03:55,369\n王育敏\n\n11\n00:04:11,364 --> 00:04:37,747\n這個垃圾清運像以高雄來講他4天放假結果那個場面很驚人就是清潔隊員喊說快滿了快滿了就是而且大排長龍所以這個有關於風災這個垃圾的清運標準你們現在有一個什麼樣的標準嗎還是都是授權地方政府如果連放4天4天都不收還是說他可以試這個風雨的大小比如說每天可能還是公告有一半因為就我所知像新北\n\n12\n00:04:38,147 --> 00:05:02,455\n他就有去公告我們今天就是一趟這樣子那這一趟大家可以把垃圾拿來所以就不會有這個垃圾山所以大家不會亂丟那目前有一個同意的做法嗎沒有因為這個垃圾處理是地方的事務那你們要督導嗎因為這一次可以看得出來你看四天都不收的情況民眾也困擾那那個清潔人員瞬間也是爆量其實也是蠻困擾的我建議這個部分這個\n\n13\n00:05:06,236 --> 00:05:06,657\n王育敏議員\n\n14\n00:05:36,617 --> 00:06:02,674\n我覺得如果跟其他單位比起來其實都還是是比較差的啦比如說像消防員來講消防員如果是死亡的慰問金他們一發就是10萬元但是對清潔隊員來講他的工作過程如果是死亡的話就只有2萬元就是在福利上面其實還是有差異另外一個呢就是我們現在還是一國多製我們現在雖然定有清潔人員清潔獎金的知己的要點\n\n15\n00:06:03,715 --> 00:06:29,939\n但是我想請問環境部現在有多少縣市真的有發清潔獎金發到一萬元都沒有那個比較財政比較好的例如像臺北市或者是高雄直轄市會發到一萬元那因為這個部分是我們訂定天花板底下就是一個縣市的財政狀況去處理那最低的有多少的\n\n16\n00:06:32,165 --> 00:06:54,147\n我印象裡面最低的應該是6000塊左右6000塊左右所以這個是我看到我們其實蠻多辛苦的第一線的清潔人員他們也在講喔他們現在有點同工不同籌在不同的縣市去享受到的福利是不一樣的因為就像剛剛指望講的都授權地方政府那地方政府有財力好的有財力差的\n\n17\n00:06:55,248 --> 00:07:11,301\n所以就變成這個福利上面其實有落差這個部長你現在上任之後我不曉得之前有沒有關注到這個部分但是地方清潔人員坦白講他們在第一線盡心盡力幫環境部非常大的忙那這個部分我們中央可以幫他們做什麼\n\n18\n00:07:12,729 --> 00:07:39,197\n我們會來研究一下好不好就是說因為這個真的是屬於地方的事務這個我之前也問過我們的同仁怎麼樣來幫忙那這個給我們一點點時間好不好那我希望這個部長回去可以再研議一下就是說今天由原來的屬升格為現在其實是部其實應該要他的意義在那從一次的風戰我們都看到這些地方清潔人員真的是加倍辛苦\n\n19\n00:07:39,656 --> 00:08:01,875\n但是他可能就是地方縣市政府財力不一可以拿到的這個回饋或福利其實是不一樣的另外一個你們基本的執行植物死亡技術基金你們在114年還短處了308.3億那這個部分要怎麼處理這個是最基本的應該要編組的結果是短處的情況\n\n20\n00:08:02,991 --> 00:08:30,678\n跟委員報告齁我們目前大概還1億9千萬的基金啦阿那個依基金的姿勢來支那當然我們希望發生植栽的機率能夠繼續降雖然300多萬的這一個不足308億喔不是萬沒有沒有300多萬喔300多萬是不是喔抱歉那這筆基金如果依照目前的支出大概還可以用50年這個請委員放心\n\n21\n00:08:31,505 --> 00:08:51,046\n所以不會有不夠的情況嗎好因為這個時間的關係我覺得我們要把很多政策落實基層的照顧其實是非常重要那我希望對於這些基層的這些清潔人員他們現在福利保障不足的部分部長我希望你可以\n\n22\n00:08:51,502 --> 00:08:52,363\n好,我們研究一下,謝謝\n\n23\n00:09:24,672 --> 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不會\n所以彈性標準都在署長這邊,你們決定?就是依照實際的所以他如果報100萬就可以有100萬,報200萬會有200萬,也沒有啊?你的最高上限是多少?目前是沒有所謂最高上限的,但是所以你非常的彈性齁,這個我聽懂了,就是完全是市、地方\n王育敏\n這個垃圾清運像以高雄來講他4天放假結果那個場面很驚人就是清潔隊員喊說快滿了快滿了就是而且大排長龍所以這個有關於風災這個垃圾的清運標準你們現在有一個什麼樣的標準嗎還是都是授權地方政府如果連放4天4天都不收還是說他可以試這個風雨的大小比如說每天可能還是公告有一半因為就我所知像新北\n他就有去公告我們今天就是一趟這樣子那這一趟大家可以把垃圾拿來所以就不會有這個垃圾山所以大家不會亂丟那目前有一個同意的做法嗎沒有因為這個垃圾處理是地方的事務那你們要督導嗎因為這一次可以看得出來你看四天都不收的情況民眾也困擾那那個清潔人員瞬間也是爆量其實也是蠻困擾的我建議這個部分這個\n王育敏議員\n我覺得如果跟其他單位比起來其實都還是是比較差的啦比如說像消防員來講消防員如果是死亡的慰問金他們一發就是10萬元但是對清潔隊員來講他的工作過程如果是死亡的話就只有2萬元就是在福利上面其實還是有差異另外一個呢就是我們現在還是一國多製我們現在雖然定有清潔人員清潔獎金的知己的要點\n但是我想請問環境部現在有多少縣市真的有發清潔獎金發到一萬元都沒有那個比較財政比較好的例如像臺北市或者是高雄直轄市會發到一萬元那因為這個部分是我們訂定天花板底下就是一個縣市的財政狀況去處理那最低的有多少的\n我印象裡面最低的應該是6000塊左右6000塊左右所以這個是我看到我們其實蠻多辛苦的第一線的清潔人員他們也在講喔他們現在有點同工不同籌在不同的縣市去享受到的福利是不一樣的因為就像剛剛指望講的都授權地方政府那地方政府有財力好的有財力差的\n所以就變成這個福利上面其實有落差這個部長你現在上任之後我不曉得之前有沒有關注到這個部分但是地方清潔人員坦白講他們在第一線盡心盡力幫環境部非常大的忙那這個部分我們中央可以幫他們做什麼\n我們會來研究一下好不好就是說因為這個真的是屬於地方的事務這個我之前也問過我們的同仁怎麼樣來幫忙那這個給我們一點點時間好不好那我希望這個部長回去可以再研議一下就是說今天由原來的屬升格為現在其實是部其實應該要他的意義在那從一次的風戰我們都看到這些地方清潔人員真的是加倍辛苦\n但是他可能就是地方縣市政府財力不一可以拿到的這個回饋或福利其實是不一樣的另外一個你們基本的執行植物死亡技術基金你們在114年還短處了308.3億那這個部分要怎麼處理這個是最基本的應該要編組的結果是短處的情況\n跟委員報告齁我們目前大概還1億9千萬的基金啦阿那個依基金的姿勢來支那當然我們希望發生植栽的機率能夠繼續降雖然300多萬的這一個不足308億喔不是萬沒有沒有300多萬喔300多萬是不是喔抱歉那這筆基金如果依照目前的支出大概還可以用50年這個請委員放心\n所以不會有不夠的情況嗎好因為這個時間的關係我覺得我們要把很多政策落實基層的照顧其實是非常重要那我希望對於這些基層的這些清潔人員他們現在福利保障不足的部分部長我希望你可以\n好,我們研究一下,謝謝\n謝謝王委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.140 --> 00:10.501\n王委員早部長早部長首先本席要肯定你就是說你上任之後其實到全國各地實地去看了這一些垃圾的一個情況包括當時本席擔任召委也安排到嘉義縣的大林你也都親自出席了去查看\n\n00:34.485 --> 00:59.839\n但是本席也是要講說這個垃圾處理其實挑戰非常的大當然不是只有部長的責任但是因為你今天來到了這個角色上面你就有這個你握有權力握有資源所以是要很認真的去處理那我看你今天的報告說在這個裸露的垃圾場裡面呢你們其實已經有把84噸降到了72萬噸那但是一個風災過後\n\n01:04.401 --> 01:33.257\n這一次的山陀爾颱風你們有沒有統計過這一次山陀爾颱風所帶進來的這個製造的整體的垃圾量它破壞環境所產生的垃圾量大概有多少包委員因為那個風災離現在結束還不到一個禮拜我們通常是一個禮拜統計一次現在資料還沒有進來所以你們還沒有掌握還沒有掌握到但是以這一次它對於南部的影響光是這個公共區域我們看到的這個應該垃圾量是增加不少所以你好不容易下降的這一些垃圾可能要瞬間\n\n01:33.797 --> 01:34.057\n王育敏議員\n\n01:50.126 --> 02:18.520\n所以風災水災過後這一些垃圾清運的補助我看到你在報告裡面特別提到你有特別有一頁特別提到說各縣市垃圾清運恢復正常那各縣市經費需求屏東有164萬高雄市需要加班費基隆台東還在盤點是各縣市需求予以協助請問你這是一個常態性的機制還是這次颱風才有\n\n02:19.660 --> 02:44.105\n委員這常態性的就是說遇到災害的時候地方有他的這個準備金應變的那如果不夠的話他會來跟我們申請那算是凱敏颱風的時候有補助嗎有我們金額是不是請我們署長來來署長是會跟大家講一下你們補助的標準是什麼還有你經費的來源是來自哪裡是我們的那個移緩季節還有我們的準備金都有那會預先\n\n02:45.885 --> 03:11.235\n先撥到地方政府像113年先撥了4050幾萬到地方政府那後續如果不夠的話地方準備已經用完之後可以依實際的支出狀況來跟我們申請那你都會補到組嗎有一個分配的比例啦原則上我們盡量來做那會不會比較晚申請的就沒有也不會啦不會\n\n03:12.515 --> 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