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00:01:22,131\n第二個是有的學校是喝薄酒乳無論是哪一種情況就是沒有喝到鮮奶所以這個跳票的問題我覺得教育部今天來為什麼會排這個專案報告我想就是要請教育部來研商、討論怎麼解決這個問題應該是這樣吧那結果今天看到教育部的報告三張紙啦\n\n5\n00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:33,412\n比農業部還少這三張紙裡面對於班班喝鮮奶跳票的原因隻字未提沒有提到說現在每個學校遇到什麼困難\n\n6\n00:01:34,696 --> 00:02:02,766\n所以沒有找到問題就沒有解決方案嘛所以我今天部長來感覺就是說對啊我就是做不到怎麼你哪有怎樣咬我嗎那種態度喔所以我覺得這樣我們非常不能接受報告委員我們並不是這樣一個態度好那我先把問題跟你講因為你的報告裡面都沒有這些問題啊都沒有提到啊我先告訴你第一個問題好不好第一個問題就是現在的光是農業部跟\n\n7\n00:02:04,029 --> 00:02:25,306\n廠商的契約所簽訂的量就不夠嘛我舉新北市為例啦新北市每個月鮮奶加薄酒乳要172萬瓶啊結果現在還相差到77.5萬瓶等於是說大概你現在就算完全公益顏值人公益大概四成左右欸大概六成左右大概有缺四成不想知道這個狀況嗎\n\n8\n00:02:31,696 --> 00:02:53,447\n你知道這個狀況嗎你知道我們新北市光是廠商的量就不足農業部跟廠商簽的約供應契約裡面的量就不足你知道這個狀況嗎跟委員報告確實新北市副局長有反映這樣的一個情況不是副局長反映啦我是問你說當初政策講得那麼好聽班班喝鮮奶\n\n9\n00:02:54,631 --> 00:03:07,579\n政策目標我就不去談了這麼好聽結果你的量根本就沒有簽到班班喝鮮奶的量那你當初在喊出這口號的時候是純心要欺騙大家怎麼會連簽的量都不夠咧我想農業部也一直在這方面做努力不是有沒有做努力啦你跟我們講班班喝鮮奶你照道理也講你每個月要供應給我們新北市172萬瓶啊\n\n10\n00:03:23,069 --> 00:03:36,992\n那為什麼還會差到77.5萬坪呢?光是這一件事情很不合理啊我現在還沒有講到配送的問題喔我現在是講說你光是量就不夠怎麼會這樣部長農業部\n\n11\n00:03:47,878 --> 00:04:06,471\n謝謝委員關心我想這件事情是這樣因為其實我們知道酪農生產牛奶是每天生產它並不是生產完之後放了一年的量在那裡那所以其實在乳廠跟我們簽訂約的時候其實它也是足每天一直在生產所以這是第一點那第二點是\n\n12\n00:04:07,111 --> 00:04:28,491\n不是啦,你知不知道當初簽的量就不夠,知不知道?你知道嗎?副次長是不是?你知道嗎?對不起,你知不知道?剛出簽就不夠,知道嗎?會再做第二次採購不是,你知不知道嗎?那這樣好不好,你改一個口號兩班喝鮮奶應該不是這樣子好不好,不要講班班喝鮮奶,或二分之一班喝鮮奶嘛\n\n13\n00:04:30,423 --> 00:04:53,374\n不好意思,我們在質詢的時候,那個平靜黨的委員不要在下面打擾好不好等一下你講話,你質詢我也在下面聊天這個契約都是可以在...我們現在在幫學校在監督,然後你在那邊打擾我是,謝謝委員關係,這個...那你不要喊班班喝鮮奶,因為你喊了班班喝鮮奶人家會覺得奇怪為什麼我們班沒有嘛,為什麼會沒有?為什麼沒有?\n\n14\n00:04:57,489 --> 00:05:00,819\n就沒有嘛所以國小的學生才會講說班班是誰嘛\n\n15\n00:05:06,668 --> 00:05:21,923\n所以我想就是說其實在公共供應企業上面有兩種一種是鮮乳一種是薄酒乳那依照需要都可以去採購我剛剛已經把薄酒乳的量算進去了嘛鮮奶加薄酒乳就是要172萬瓶嘛你現在還差了77.5萬瓶這第一個問題這什麼時候補足我們會再做第二次採購第二次採購\n\n16\n00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:46,415\n那第二次採購那就跳票啦,九月很多人就喝不到啊,對吧?好,第二個齁,就是因為現在已經十月了嘛,所以九月就很多人就沒喝到了嘛。第二,鮮奶為什麼大家沒有辦法喝?是因為很多學校沒有這個條件,剛剛很多委員都提到了。那這個部分有要幫他們解決嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:48,884 --> 00:06:10,998\n這個部分其實在有很多委員也已經到現場執行聽到那我想所有的政策第一次吹動碰到這些問題都會有那有沒有要幫忙解決我們都會實際來面對那能夠希望把這些問題解決讓真的把國產鮮乳能夠推到學校做學童鮮奶現在沒有辦法送到偏鄉學校你們知道嗎很多廠商不願意幫忙送鮮奶到偏鄉學校這個要幫忙解決嗎\n\n18\n00:06:12,031 --> 00:06:37,305\n所有的問題我們都會來幫忙解決怎麼解決啊因為其實配送不會是問題像在阿里山上確實也可以喝到鮮奶我現在就把問題告訴你嘛不要來這邊油槍滑掉好不好我現在就把問題告訴你你說會解決怎麼解決現在廠商就是不願意送所以現在廠商要求偏鄉學校改成保修路我們會再跟廠商來溝通這件事情那如果還有出現這個狀況呢我們盡量來溝通不是盡量嘛現在就是有這個狀況嘛要怎麼解決嘛\n\n19\n00:06:40,575 --> 00:07:00,255\n怎麼解決?你告訴我怎麼解決?那如果你要解決為什麼現在會有這個狀況?我覺得你們來答詢不要這種態度好不好?把問題反映給你就是我們要解決我們要解決那怎麼解決啊?下一次如果稍微拍一樣的題目過來你還是一樣我們會解決但是找不出解決方法啊怎麼解決嘛?\n\n20\n00:07:02,698 --> 00:07:18,911\n其實也有跟廠商提過但是我想學校這邊我們還是要尊重學校就是要喝鮮奶但是廠商不願意送所以要求學校改成薄酒乳這個問題要怎麼解決因為時間不夠第四個問題現在有送薄酒乳的廠商\n\n21\n00:07:21,408 --> 00:07:48,907\n他一次要送一個月所以要堆積了幾千幾千瓶在學校裡面那學校有教育局有去協調說是不是可以請廠商分批送可以讓沒有喝到的學校也可以先喝到但是廠商不願意因為他們說跟農業部簽的合約裡面就是說一次送一個月因為對他們來說可以節省運送的成本但是因為這樣子就會讓很多學校喝不到他不願意做一個分配那請問農業部知道這個事嗎\n\n22\n00:07:50,479 --> 00:08:12,134\n我想謝謝委員提出來也提醒我們農業部知不知道這個事我們也正在協調也正在協調農業部你今天我今天告訴你那麼多的問題你都一副就是我本來就知道但是我就盡量協調但是我沒有要把它處理你給我態度就這樣啊請教一下我剛剛講的問題你什麼時候可以解決什麼時候可以解決\n\n23\n00:08:13,362 --> 00:08:34,230\n如果針對新北的部分,我們當然就是針對新北鮮奶術品,但是…量,第一個量的問題,第二個解決那個鮮奶的冷鏈、冷藏的問題,第三個是偏遠地區配送鮮奶的問題,第四個是保久乳要送,不要一次送一個月,讓它可以分散,讓大家都可以喝得到,農業部大概什麼時候可以提出解決方案?\n\n24\n00:08:34,977 --> 00:08:36,358\n教育部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n\n25\n00:08:52,395 --> 00:09:13,210\n我請教一下那個校安的部分之前土城的國三生的戈井案的宣判出來了嘛總共判九年嘛那因為是少年犯所以只要三分之一假釋就可以出來關三年就出來了那我個人是覺得啦當然法律是這樣定但是這個對於學校的校園安全\n\n26\n00:09:14,298 --> 00:09:40,715\n我認為是沒有辦法達到什麼賀祖利啦十五歲殺一條人殺一條殺一個人一條人命進去之後三年就出來十八歲出來之後還大圍了啦出來還大圍部長你覺得這樣的法律有賀祖利嗎我想對青少年的許多的發展裡面他們怎麼樣給他們有一個更安全的一個校園學習的一個環境確實是我沒有努力部長\n\n27\n00:09:41,741 --> 00:09:58,454\n我之前一直跟你建議說把學務組、學務處至少生教組可以增設專職的校安人員這其實是很多學校給我的建議一個數據啦因為現在很多生教組長都是代理老師這你應該也知道吧是\n\n28\n00:09:59,134 --> 00:10:25,157\n那大家因為覺得生肖組長的工作太繁重他們平常還有教課所以實在是沒有願意做那現在產生一個叫行政大逃亡生肖組長根本沒有人要兼那我一直建議說可以找專職的校園人員來處理學生事務那上個會期您告訴我說會在開學前給一個報告結果你回給我的報告上面還是說要增設一個副組長的津貼就是讓老師來兼副組長\n\n29\n00:10:26,830 --> 00:10:36,237\n這完全是風馬流不相及現在連組長都找不到人要兼的你又開一個副組長那一樣是帶老師來兼啊這個跟我剛說跟你的訴求是完全不一樣\n\n30\n00:10:39,108 --> 00:11:06,501\n跟我們報告,確實我們現在也在在內部在整體的一個評估在整個……不是,叫部長上個會期你就跟我說在這個會期前會給個報告針對我們說偵測校安人員的部分嘛那你就沒有做到嘛那我不知道說因為這個新的會期又開始是不是可以真的認真的針對我們的問題來回答因為你回到千篇一律都不是針對我們的問題你增加一個副組長沒有解決我們講的問題嗎\n\n31\n00:11:08,936 --> 00:11:10,838\n請部長會後再去葉委員辦公室報告好不好?\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n29\t4834\t請鄭部長好,我們有請鄭部長部長,那個班班有鮮奶這個政策當初是說九月就要開始嘛,讓班班都可以喝到鮮奶那這個政策是不是確定跳票?確定了嗎?\n22862\t40355\t各位委員報告,我不曉得這樣是不是叫做跳票,但是我們...班班的意思就是每一班都有的意思啦,現在有沒有每一班都有?沒有嘛,這就跳票了嘛。你知道我前幾天跟一個國小學生啊,我問他說你們學校有班班喝鮮奶嗎?你知道他回我什麼嗎?他說班班是誰啊?\n42930\t57189\t因為沒有人喝到這個鮮奶啊所以他不曉得啊他以為班班是一個人啊還問我班班是誰啊那班班喝鮮奶他兩個方向跳票第一個是有一些學校是連保酒乳都沒有啊連保酒乳都沒有送到\n58010\t82131\t第二個是有的學校是喝薄酒乳無論是哪一種情況就是沒有喝到鮮奶所以這個跳票的問題我覺得教育部今天來為什麼會排這個專案報告我想就是要請教育部來研商、討論怎麼解決這個問題應該是這樣吧那結果今天看到教育部的報告三張紙啦\n83359\t93412\t比農業部還少這三張紙裡面對於班班喝鮮奶跳票的原因隻字未提沒有提到說現在每個學校遇到什麼困難\n94696\t122766\t所以沒有找到問題就沒有解決方案嘛所以我今天部長來感覺就是說對啊我就是做不到怎麼你哪有怎樣咬我嗎那種態度喔所以我覺得這樣我們非常不能接受報告委員我們並不是這樣一個態度好那我先把問題跟你講因為你的報告裡面都沒有這些問題啊都沒有提到啊我先告訴你第一個問題好不好第一個問題就是現在的光是農業部跟\n124029\t145306\t廠商的契約所簽訂的量就不夠嘛我舉新北市為例啦新北市每個月鮮奶加薄酒乳要172萬瓶啊結果現在還相差到77.5萬瓶等於是說大概你現在就算完全公益顏值人公益大概四成左右欸大概六成左右大概有缺四成不想知道這個狀況嗎\n151696\t173447\t你知道這個狀況嗎你知道我們新北市光是廠商的量就不足農業部跟廠商簽的約供應契約裡面的量就不足你知道這個狀況嗎跟委員報告確實新北市副局長有反映這樣的一個情況不是副局長反映啦我是問你說當初政策講得那麼好聽班班喝鮮奶\n174631\t187579\t政策目標我就不去談了這麼好聽結果你的量根本就沒有簽到班班喝鮮奶的量那你當初在喊出這口號的時候是純心要欺騙大家怎麼會連簽的量都不夠咧我想農業部也一直在這方面做努力不是有沒有做努力啦你跟我們講班班喝鮮奶你照道理也講你每個月要供應給我們新北市172萬瓶啊\n203069\t216992\t那為什麼還會差到77.5萬坪呢?光是這一件事情很不合理啊我現在還沒有講到配送的問題喔我現在是講說你光是量就不夠怎麼會這樣部長農業部\n227878\t246471\t謝謝委員關心我想這件事情是這樣因為其實我們知道酪農生產牛奶是每天生產它並不是生產完之後放了一年的量在那裡那所以其實在乳廠跟我們簽訂約的時候其實它也是足每天一直在生產所以這是第一點那第二點是\n247111\t268491\t不是啦,你知不知道當初簽的量就不夠,知不知道?你知道嗎?副次長是不是?你知道嗎?對不起,你知不知道?剛出簽就不夠,知道嗎?會再做第二次採購不是,你知不知道嗎?那這樣好不好,你改一個口號兩班喝鮮奶應該不是這樣子好不好,不要講班班喝鮮奶,或二分之一班喝鮮奶嘛\n270423\t293374\t不好意思,我們在質詢的時候,那個平靜黨的委員不要在下面打擾好不好等一下你講話,你質詢我也在下面聊天這個契約都是可以在...我們現在在幫學校在監督,然後你在那邊打擾我是,謝謝委員關係,這個...那你不要喊班班喝鮮奶,因為你喊了班班喝鮮奶人家會覺得奇怪為什麼我們班沒有嘛,為什麼會沒有?為什麼沒有?\n297489\t300819\t就沒有嘛 所以國小的學生才會講說班班是誰嘛\n306668\t321923\t所以我想就是說其實在公共供應企業上面有兩種一種是鮮乳一種是薄酒乳那依照需要都可以去採購我剛剛已經把薄酒乳的量算進去了嘛鮮奶加薄酒乳就是要172萬瓶嘛你現在還差了77.5萬瓶這第一個問題這什麼時候補足我們會再做第二次採購第二次採購\n328959\t346415\t那第二次採購那就跳票啦,九月很多人就喝不到啊,對吧?好,第二個齁,就是因為現在已經十月了嘛,所以九月就很多人就沒喝到了嘛。第二,鮮奶為什麼大家沒有辦法喝?是因為很多學校沒有這個條件,剛剛很多委員都提到了。那這個部分有要幫他們解決嗎?\n348884\t370998\t這個部分其實在有很多委員也已經到現場執行聽到那我想所有的政策第一次吹動碰到這些問題都會有那有沒有要幫忙解決我們都會實際來面對那能夠希望把這些問題解決讓真的把國產鮮乳能夠推到學校做學童鮮奶現在沒有辦法送到偏鄉學校你們知道嗎很多廠商不願意幫忙送鮮奶到偏鄉學校這個要幫忙解決嗎\n372031\t397305\t所有的問題我們都會來幫忙解決怎麼解決啊因為其實配送不會是問題像在阿里山上確實也可以喝到鮮奶我現在就把問題告訴你嘛不要來這邊油槍滑掉好不好我現在就把問題告訴你你說會解決怎麼解決現在廠商就是不願意送所以現在廠商要求偏鄉學校改成保修路我們會再跟廠商來溝通這件事情那如果還有出現這個狀況呢我們盡量來溝通不是盡量嘛現在就是有這個狀況嘛要怎麼解決嘛\n400575\t420255\t怎麼解決?你告訴我怎麼解決?那如果你要解決為什麼現在會有這個狀況?我覺得你們來答詢不要這種態度好不好?把問題反映給你就是我們要解決我們要解決那怎麼解決啊?下一次如果稍微拍一樣的題目過來你還是一樣我們會解決但是找不出解決方法啊怎麼解決嘛?\n422698\t438911\t其實也有跟廠商提過但是我想學校這邊我們還是要尊重學校就是要喝鮮奶但是廠商不願意送所以要求學校改成薄酒乳這個問題要怎麼解決因為時間不夠第四個問題現在有送薄酒乳的廠商\n441408\t468907\t他一次要送一個月所以要堆積了幾千幾千瓶在學校裡面那學校有教育局有去協調說是不是可以請廠商分批送可以讓沒有喝到的學校也可以先喝到但是廠商不願意因為他們說跟農業部簽的合約裡面就是說一次送一個月因為對他們來說可以節省運送的成本但是因為這樣子就會讓很多學校喝不到他不願意做一個分配那請問農業部知道這個事嗎\n470479\t492134\t我想謝謝委員提出來也提醒我們農業部知不知道這個事我們也正在協調也正在協調農業部你今天我今天告訴你那麼多的問題你都一副就是我本來就知道但是我就盡量協調但是我沒有要把它處理你給我態度就這樣啊請教一下我剛剛講的問題你什麼時候可以解決什麼時候可以解決\n493362\t514230\t如果針對新北的部分,我們當然就是針對新北鮮奶術品,但是…量,第一個量的問題,第二個解決那個鮮奶的冷鏈、冷藏的問題,第三個是偏遠地區配送鮮奶的問題,第四個是保久乳要送,不要一次送一個月,讓它可以分散,讓大家都可以喝得到,農業部大概什麼時候可以提出解決方案?\n514977\t516358\t教育部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n532395\t553210\t我請教一下那個校安的部分之前土城的國三生的戈井案的宣判出來了嘛總共判九年嘛那因為是少年犯所以只要三分之一假釋就可以出來關三年就出來了那我個人是覺得啦當然法律是這樣定但是這個對於學校的校園安全\n554298\t580715\t我認為是沒有辦法達到什麼賀祖利啦十五歲殺一條人殺一條殺一個人一條人命進去之後三年就出來十八歲出來之後還大圍了啦出來還大圍部長你覺得這樣的法律有賀祖利嗎我想對青少年的許多的發展裡面他們怎麼樣給他們有一個更安全的一個校園學習的一個環境確實是我沒有努力部長\n581741\t598454\t我之前一直跟你建議說把學務組、學務處至少生教組可以增設專職的校安人員這其實是很多學校給我的建議一個數據啦因為現在很多生教組長都是代理老師這你應該也知道吧是\n599134\t625157\t那大家因為覺得生肖組長的工作太繁重他們平常還有教課所以實在是沒有願意做那現在產生一個叫行政大逃亡生肖組長根本沒有人要兼那我一直建議說可以找專職的校園人員來處理學生事務那上個會期您告訴我說會在開學前給一個報告結果你回給我的報告上面還是說要增設一個副組長的津貼就是讓老師來兼副組長\n626830\t636237\t這完全是風馬流不相及現在連組長都找不到人要兼的你又開一個副組長那一樣是帶老師來兼啊這個跟我剛說跟你的訴求是完全不一樣\n639108\t666501\t跟我們報告,確實我們現在也在在內部在整體的一個評估在整個……不是,叫部長上個會期你就跟我說在這個會期前會給個報告針對我們說偵測校安人員的部分嘛那你就沒有做到嘛那我不知道說因為這個新的會期又開始是不是可以真的認真的針對我們的問題來回答因為你回到千篇一律都不是針對我們的問題你增加一個副組長沒有解決我們講的問題嗎\n668936\t670838\t請部長會後再去葉委員辦公室報告好不好?\n","txt":"請鄭部長好,我們有請鄭部長部長,那個班班有鮮奶這個政策當初是說九月就要開始嘛,讓班班都可以喝到鮮奶那這個政策是不是確定跳票?確定了嗎?\n各位委員報告,我不曉得這樣是不是叫做跳票,但是我們...班班的意思就是每一班都有的意思啦,現在有沒有每一班都有?沒有嘛,這就跳票了嘛。你知道我前幾天跟一個國小學生啊,我問他說你們學校有班班喝鮮奶嗎?你知道他回我什麼嗎?他說班班是誰啊?\n因為沒有人喝到這個鮮奶啊所以他不曉得啊他以為班班是一個人啊還問我班班是誰啊那班班喝鮮奶他兩個方向跳票第一個是有一些學校是連保酒乳都沒有啊連保酒乳都沒有送到\n第二個是有的學校是喝薄酒乳無論是哪一種情況就是沒有喝到鮮奶所以這個跳票的問題我覺得教育部今天來為什麼會排這個專案報告我想就是要請教育部來研商、討論怎麼解決這個問題應該是這樣吧那結果今天看到教育部的報告三張紙啦\n比農業部還少這三張紙裡面對於班班喝鮮奶跳票的原因隻字未提沒有提到說現在每個學校遇到什麼困難\n所以沒有找到問題就沒有解決方案嘛所以我今天部長來感覺就是說對啊我就是做不到怎麼你哪有怎樣咬我嗎那種態度喔所以我覺得這樣我們非常不能接受報告委員我們並不是這樣一個態度好那我先把問題跟你講因為你的報告裡面都沒有這些問題啊都沒有提到啊我先告訴你第一個問題好不好第一個問題就是現在的光是農業部跟\n廠商的契約所簽訂的量就不夠嘛我舉新北市為例啦新北市每個月鮮奶加薄酒乳要172萬瓶啊結果現在還相差到77.5萬瓶等於是說大概你現在就算完全公益顏值人公益大概四成左右欸大概六成左右大概有缺四成不想知道這個狀況嗎\n你知道這個狀況嗎你知道我們新北市光是廠商的量就不足農業部跟廠商簽的約供應契約裡面的量就不足你知道這個狀況嗎跟委員報告確實新北市副局長有反映這樣的一個情況不是副局長反映啦我是問你說當初政策講得那麼好聽班班喝鮮奶\n政策目標我就不去談了這麼好聽結果你的量根本就沒有簽到班班喝鮮奶的量那你當初在喊出這口號的時候是純心要欺騙大家怎麼會連簽的量都不夠咧我想農業部也一直在這方面做努力不是有沒有做努力啦你跟我們講班班喝鮮奶你照道理也講你每個月要供應給我們新北市172萬瓶啊\n那為什麼還會差到77.5萬坪呢?光是這一件事情很不合理啊我現在還沒有講到配送的問題喔我現在是講說你光是量就不夠怎麼會這樣部長農業部\n謝謝委員關心我想這件事情是這樣因為其實我們知道酪農生產牛奶是每天生產它並不是生產完之後放了一年的量在那裡那所以其實在乳廠跟我們簽訂約的時候其實它也是足每天一直在生產所以這是第一點那第二點是\n不是啦,你知不知道當初簽的量就不夠,知不知道?你知道嗎?副次長是不是?你知道嗎?對不起,你知不知道?剛出簽就不夠,知道嗎?會再做第二次採購不是,你知不知道嗎?那這樣好不好,你改一個口號兩班喝鮮奶應該不是這樣子好不好,不要講班班喝鮮奶,或二分之一班喝鮮奶嘛\n不好意思,我們在質詢的時候,那個平靜黨的委員不要在下面打擾好不好等一下你講話,你質詢我也在下面聊天這個契約都是可以在...我們現在在幫學校在監督,然後你在那邊打擾我是,謝謝委員關係,這個...那你不要喊班班喝鮮奶,因為你喊了班班喝鮮奶人家會覺得奇怪為什麼我們班沒有嘛,為什麼會沒有?為什麼沒有?\n就沒有嘛 所以國小的學生才會講說班班是誰嘛\n所以我想就是說其實在公共供應企業上面有兩種一種是鮮乳一種是薄酒乳那依照需要都可以去採購我剛剛已經把薄酒乳的量算進去了嘛鮮奶加薄酒乳就是要172萬瓶嘛你現在還差了77.5萬瓶這第一個問題這什麼時候補足我們會再做第二次採購第二次採購\n那第二次採購那就跳票啦,九月很多人就喝不到啊,對吧?好,第二個齁,就是因為現在已經十月了嘛,所以九月就很多人就沒喝到了嘛。第二,鮮奶為什麼大家沒有辦法喝?是因為很多學校沒有這個條件,剛剛很多委員都提到了。那這個部分有要幫他們解決嗎?\n這個部分其實在有很多委員也已經到現場執行聽到那我想所有的政策第一次吹動碰到這些問題都會有那有沒有要幫忙解決我們都會實際來面對那能夠希望把這些問題解決讓真的把國產鮮乳能夠推到學校做學童鮮奶現在沒有辦法送到偏鄉學校你們知道嗎很多廠商不願意幫忙送鮮奶到偏鄉學校這個要幫忙解決嗎\n所有的問題我們都會來幫忙解決怎麼解決啊因為其實配送不會是問題像在阿里山上確實也可以喝到鮮奶我現在就把問題告訴你嘛不要來這邊油槍滑掉好不好我現在就把問題告訴你你說會解決怎麼解決現在廠商就是不願意送所以現在廠商要求偏鄉學校改成保修路我們會再跟廠商來溝通這件事情那如果還有出現這個狀況呢我們盡量來溝通不是盡量嘛現在就是有這個狀況嘛要怎麼解決嘛\n怎麼解決?你告訴我怎麼解決?那如果你要解決為什麼現在會有這個狀況?我覺得你們來答詢不要這種態度好不好?把問題反映給你就是我們要解決我們要解決那怎麼解決啊?下一次如果稍微拍一樣的題目過來你還是一樣我們會解決但是找不出解決方法啊怎麼解決嘛?\n其實也有跟廠商提過但是我想學校這邊我們還是要尊重學校就是要喝鮮奶但是廠商不願意送所以要求學校改成薄酒乳這個問題要怎麼解決因為時間不夠第四個問題現在有送薄酒乳的廠商\n他一次要送一個月所以要堆積了幾千幾千瓶在學校裡面那學校有教育局有去協調說是不是可以請廠商分批送可以讓沒有喝到的學校也可以先喝到但是廠商不願意因為他們說跟農業部簽的合約裡面就是說一次送一個月因為對他們來說可以節省運送的成本但是因為這樣子就會讓很多學校喝不到他不願意做一個分配那請問農業部知道這個事嗎\n我想謝謝委員提出來也提醒我們農業部知不知道這個事我們也正在協調也正在協調農業部你今天我今天告訴你那麼多的問題你都一副就是我本來就知道但是我就盡量協調但是我沒有要把它處理你給我態度就這樣啊請教一下我剛剛講的問題你什麼時候可以解決什麼時候可以解決\n如果針對新北的部分,我們當然就是針對新北鮮奶術品,但是…量,第一個量的問題,第二個解決那個鮮奶的冷鏈、冷藏的問題,第三個是偏遠地區配送鮮奶的問題,第四個是保久乳要送,不要一次送一個月,讓它可以分散,讓大家都可以喝得到,農業部大概什麼時候可以提出解決方案?\n教育部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n我請教一下那個校安的部分之前土城的國三生的戈井案的宣判出來了嘛總共判九年嘛那因為是少年犯所以只要三分之一假釋就可以出來關三年就出來了那我個人是覺得啦當然法律是這樣定但是這個對於學校的校園安全\n我認為是沒有辦法達到什麼賀祖利啦十五歲殺一條人殺一條殺一個人一條人命進去之後三年就出來十八歲出來之後還大圍了啦出來還大圍部長你覺得這樣的法律有賀祖利嗎我想對青少年的許多的發展裡面他們怎麼樣給他們有一個更安全的一個校園學習的一個環境確實是我沒有努力部長\n我之前一直跟你建議說把學務組、學務處至少生教組可以增設專職的校安人員這其實是很多學校給我的建議一個數據啦因為現在很多生教組長都是代理老師這你應該也知道吧是\n那大家因為覺得生肖組長的工作太繁重他們平常還有教課所以實在是沒有願意做那現在產生一個叫行政大逃亡生肖組長根本沒有人要兼那我一直建議說可以找專職的校園人員來處理學生事務那上個會期您告訴我說會在開學前給一個報告結果你回給我的報告上面還是說要增設一個副組長的津貼就是讓老師來兼副組長\n這完全是風馬流不相及現在連組長都找不到人要兼的你又開一個副組長那一樣是帶老師來兼啊這個跟我剛說跟你的訴求是完全不一樣\n跟我們報告,確實我們現在也在在內部在整體的一個評估在整個……不是,叫部長上個會期你就跟我說在這個會期前會給個報告針對我們說偵測校安人員的部分嘛那你就沒有做到嘛那我不知道說因為這個新的會期又開始是不是可以真的認真的針對我們的問題來回答因為你回到千篇一律都不是針對我們的問題你增加一個副組長沒有解決我們講的問題嗎\n請部長會後再去葉委員辦公室報告好不好?\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:04.834\n請鄭部長好,我們有請鄭部長部長,那個班班有鮮奶這個政策當初是說九月就要開始嘛,讓班班都可以喝到鮮奶那這個政策是不是確定跳票?確定了嗎?\n\n00:22.862 --> 00:40.355\n各位委員報告,我不曉得這樣是不是叫做跳票,但是我們...班班的意思就是每一班都有的意思啦,現在有沒有每一班都有?沒有嘛,這就跳票了嘛。你知道我前幾天跟一個國小學生啊,我問他說你們學校有班班喝鮮奶嗎?你知道他回我什麼嗎?他說班班是誰啊?\n\n00:42.930 --> 00:57.189\n因為沒有人喝到這個鮮奶啊所以他不曉得啊他以為班班是一個人啊還問我班班是誰啊那班班喝鮮奶他兩個方向跳票第一個是有一些學校是連保酒乳都沒有啊連保酒乳都沒有送到\n\n00:58.010 --> 01:22.131\n第二個是有的學校是喝薄酒乳無論是哪一種情況就是沒有喝到鮮奶所以這個跳票的問題我覺得教育部今天來為什麼會排這個專案報告我想就是要請教育部來研商、討論怎麼解決這個問題應該是這樣吧那結果今天看到教育部的報告三張紙啦\n\n01:23.359 --> 01:33.412\n比農業部還少這三張紙裡面對於班班喝鮮奶跳票的原因隻字未提沒有提到說現在每個學校遇到什麼困難\n\n01:34.696 --> 02:02.766\n所以沒有找到問題就沒有解決方案嘛所以我今天部長來感覺就是說對啊我就是做不到怎麼你哪有怎樣咬我嗎那種態度喔所以我覺得這樣我們非常不能接受報告委員我們並不是這樣一個態度好那我先把問題跟你講因為你的報告裡面都沒有這些問題啊都沒有提到啊我先告訴你第一個問題好不好第一個問題就是現在的光是農業部跟\n\n02:04.029 --> 02:25.306\n廠商的契約所簽訂的量就不夠嘛我舉新北市為例啦新北市每個月鮮奶加薄酒乳要172萬瓶啊結果現在還相差到77.5萬瓶等於是說大概你現在就算完全公益顏值人公益大概四成左右欸大概六成左右大概有缺四成不想知道這個狀況嗎\n\n02:31.696 --> 02:53.447\n你知道這個狀況嗎你知道我們新北市光是廠商的量就不足農業部跟廠商簽的約供應契約裡面的量就不足你知道這個狀況嗎跟委員報告確實新北市副局長有反映這樣的一個情況不是副局長反映啦我是問你說當初政策講得那麼好聽班班喝鮮奶\n\n02:54.631 --> 03:07.579\n政策目標我就不去談了這麼好聽結果你的量根本就沒有簽到班班喝鮮奶的量那你當初在喊出這口號的時候是純心要欺騙大家怎麼會連簽的量都不夠咧我想農業部也一直在這方面做努力不是有沒有做努力啦你跟我們講班班喝鮮奶你照道理也講你每個月要供應給我們新北市172萬瓶啊\n\n03:23.069 --> 03:36.992\n那為什麼還會差到77.5萬坪呢?光是這一件事情很不合理啊我現在還沒有講到配送的問題喔我現在是講說你光是量就不夠怎麼會這樣部長農業部\n\n03:47.878 --> 04:06.471\n謝謝委員關心我想這件事情是這樣因為其實我們知道酪農生產牛奶是每天生產它並不是生產完之後放了一年的量在那裡那所以其實在乳廠跟我們簽訂約的時候其實它也是足每天一直在生產所以這是第一點那第二點是\n\n04:07.111 --> 04:28.491\n不是啦,你知不知道當初簽的量就不夠,知不知道?你知道嗎?副次長是不是?你知道嗎?對不起,你知不知道?剛出簽就不夠,知道嗎?會再做第二次採購不是,你知不知道嗎?那這樣好不好,你改一個口號兩班喝鮮奶應該不是這樣子好不好,不要講班班喝鮮奶,或二分之一班喝鮮奶嘛\n\n04:30.423 --> 04:53.374\n不好意思,我們在質詢的時候,那個平靜黨的委員不要在下面打擾好不好等一下你講話,你質詢我也在下面聊天這個契約都是可以在...我們現在在幫學校在監督,然後你在那邊打擾我是,謝謝委員關係,這個...那你不要喊班班喝鮮奶,因為你喊了班班喝鮮奶人家會覺得奇怪為什麼我們班沒有嘛,為什麼會沒有?為什麼沒有?\n\n04:57.489 --> 05:00.819\n就沒有嘛所以國小的學生才會講說班班是誰嘛\n\n05:06.668 --> 05:21.923\n所以我想就是說其實在公共供應企業上面有兩種一種是鮮乳一種是薄酒乳那依照需要都可以去採購我剛剛已經把薄酒乳的量算進去了嘛鮮奶加薄酒乳就是要172萬瓶嘛你現在還差了77.5萬瓶這第一個問題這什麼時候補足我們會再做第二次採購第二次採購\n\n05:28.959 --> 05:46.415\n那第二次採購那就跳票啦,九月很多人就喝不到啊,對吧?好,第二個齁,就是因為現在已經十月了嘛,所以九月就很多人就沒喝到了嘛。第二,鮮奶為什麼大家沒有辦法喝?是因為很多學校沒有這個條件,剛剛很多委員都提到了。那這個部分有要幫他們解決嗎?\n\n05:48.884 --> 06:10.998\n這個部分其實在有很多委員也已經到現場執行聽到那我想所有的政策第一次吹動碰到這些問題都會有那有沒有要幫忙解決我們都會實際來面對那能夠希望把這些問題解決讓真的把國產鮮乳能夠推到學校做學童鮮奶現在沒有辦法送到偏鄉學校你們知道嗎很多廠商不願意幫忙送鮮奶到偏鄉學校這個要幫忙解決嗎\n\n06:12.031 --> 06:37.305\n所有的問題我們都會來幫忙解決怎麼解決啊因為其實配送不會是問題像在阿里山上確實也可以喝到鮮奶我現在就把問題告訴你嘛不要來這邊油槍滑掉好不好我現在就把問題告訴你你說會解決怎麼解決現在廠商就是不願意送所以現在廠商要求偏鄉學校改成保修路我們會再跟廠商來溝通這件事情那如果還有出現這個狀況呢我們盡量來溝通不是盡量嘛現在就是有這個狀況嘛要怎麼解決嘛\n\n06:40.575 --> 07:00.255\n怎麼解決?你告訴我怎麼解決?那如果你要解決為什麼現在會有這個狀況?我覺得你們來答詢不要這種態度好不好?把問題反映給你就是我們要解決我們要解決那怎麼解決啊?下一次如果稍微拍一樣的題目過來你還是一樣我們會解決但是找不出解決方法啊怎麼解決嘛?\n\n07:02.698 --> 07:18.911\n其實也有跟廠商提過但是我想學校這邊我們還是要尊重學校就是要喝鮮奶但是廠商不願意送所以要求學校改成薄酒乳這個問題要怎麼解決因為時間不夠第四個問題現在有送薄酒乳的廠商\n\n07:21.408 --> 07:48.907\n他一次要送一個月所以要堆積了幾千幾千瓶在學校裡面那學校有教育局有去協調說是不是可以請廠商分批送可以讓沒有喝到的學校也可以先喝到但是廠商不願意因為他們說跟農業部簽的合約裡面就是說一次送一個月因為對他們來說可以節省運送的成本但是因為這樣子就會讓很多學校喝不到他不願意做一個分配那請問農業部知道這個事嗎\n\n07:50.479 --> 08:12.134\n我想謝謝委員提出來也提醒我們農業部知不知道這個事我們也正在協調也正在協調農業部你今天我今天告訴你那麼多的問題你都一副就是我本來就知道但是我就盡量協調但是我沒有要把它處理你給我態度就這樣啊請教一下我剛剛講的問題你什麼時候可以解決什麼時候可以解決\n\n08:13.362 --> 08:34.230\n如果針對新北的部分,我們當然就是針對新北鮮奶術品,但是…量,第一個量的問題,第二個解決那個鮮奶的冷鏈、冷藏的問題,第三個是偏遠地區配送鮮奶的問題,第四個是保久乳要送,不要一次送一個月,讓它可以分散,讓大家都可以喝得到,農業部大概什麼時候可以提出解決方案?\n\n08:34.977 --> 08:36.358\n教育部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n\n08:52.395 --> 09:13.210\n我請教一下那個校安的部分之前土城的國三生的戈井案的宣判出來了嘛總共判九年嘛那因為是少年犯所以只要三分之一假釋就可以出來關三年就出來了那我個人是覺得啦當然法律是這樣定但是這個對於學校的校園安全\n\n09:14.298 --> 09:40.715\n我認為是沒有辦法達到什麼賀祖利啦十五歲殺一條人殺一條殺一個人一條人命進去之後三年就出來十八歲出來之後還大圍了啦出來還大圍部長你覺得這樣的法律有賀祖利嗎我想對青少年的許多的發展裡面他們怎麼樣給他們有一個更安全的一個校園學習的一個環境確實是我沒有努力部長\n\n09:41.741 --> 09:58.454\n我之前一直跟你建議說把學務組、學務處至少生教組可以增設專職的校安人員這其實是很多學校給我的建議一個數據啦因為現在很多生教組長都是代理老師這你應該也知道吧是\n\n09:59.134 --> 10:25.157\n那大家因為覺得生肖組長的工作太繁重他們平常還有教課所以實在是沒有願意做那現在產生一個叫行政大逃亡生肖組長根本沒有人要兼那我一直建議說可以找專職的校園人員來處理學生事務那上個會期您告訴我說會在開學前給一個報告結果你回給我的報告上面還是說要增設一個副組長的津貼就是讓老師來兼副組長\n\n10:26.830 --> 10:36.237\n這完全是風馬流不相及現在連組長都找不到人要兼的你又開一個副組長那一樣是帶老師來兼啊這個跟我剛說跟你的訴求是完全不一樣\n\n10:39.108 --> 11:06.501\n跟我們報告,確實我們現在也在在內部在整體的一個評估在整個……不是,叫部長上個會期你就跟我說在這個會期前會給個報告針對我們說偵測校安人員的部分嘛那你就沒有做到嘛那我不知道說因為這個新的會期又開始是不是可以真的認真的針對我們的問題來回答因為你回到千篇一律都不是針對我們的問題你增加一個副組長沒有解決我們講的問題嗎\n\n11:08.936 --> 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所以國小的學生才會講說班班是誰嘛"},{"start":306.668,"end":321.923,"text":"所以我想就是說其實在公共供應企業上面有兩種一種是鮮乳一種是薄酒乳那依照需要都可以去採購我剛剛已經把薄酒乳的量算進去了嘛鮮奶加薄酒乳就是要172萬瓶嘛你現在還差了77.5萬瓶這第一個問題這什麼時候補足我們會再做第二次採購第二次採購"},{"start":328.959,"end":346.415,"text":"那第二次採購那就跳票啦,九月很多人就喝不到啊,對吧?好,第二個齁,就是因為現在已經十月了嘛,所以九月就很多人就沒喝到了嘛。第二,鮮奶為什麼大家沒有辦法喝?是因為很多學校沒有這個條件,剛剛很多委員都提到了。那這個部分有要幫他們解決嗎?"},{"start":348.884,"end":370.998,"text":"這個部分其實在有很多委員也已經到現場執行聽到那我想所有的政策第一次吹動碰到這些問題都會有那有沒有要幫忙解決我們都會實際來面對那能夠希望把這些問題解決讓真的把國產鮮乳能夠推到學校做學童鮮奶現在沒有辦法送到偏鄉學校你們知道嗎很多廠商不願意幫忙送鮮奶到偏鄉學校這個要幫忙解決嗎"},{"start":372.031,"end":397.305,"text":"所有的問題我們都會來幫忙解決怎麼解決啊因為其實配送不會是問題像在阿里山上確實也可以喝到鮮奶我現在就把問題告訴你嘛不要來這邊油槍滑掉好不好我現在就把問題告訴你你說會解決怎麼解決現在廠商就是不願意送所以現在廠商要求偏鄉學校改成保修路我們會再跟廠商來溝通這件事情那如果還有出現這個狀況呢我們盡量來溝通不是盡量嘛現在就是有這個狀況嘛要怎麼解決嘛"},{"start":400.575,"end":420.255,"text":"怎麼解決?你告訴我怎麼解決?那如果你要解決為什麼現在會有這個狀況?我覺得你們來答詢不要這種態度好不好?把問題反映給你就是我們要解決我們要解決那怎麼解決啊?下一次如果稍微拍一樣的題目過來你還是一樣我們會解決但是找不出解決方法啊怎麼解決嘛?"},{"start":422.698,"end":438.911,"text":"其實也有跟廠商提過但是我想學校這邊我們還是要尊重學校就是要喝鮮奶但是廠商不願意送所以要求學校改成薄酒乳這個問題要怎麼解決因為時間不夠第四個問題現在有送薄酒乳的廠商"},{"start":441.408,"end":468.907,"text":"他一次要送一個月所以要堆積了幾千幾千瓶在學校裡面那學校有教育局有去協調說是不是可以請廠商分批送可以讓沒有喝到的學校也可以先喝到但是廠商不願意因為他們說跟農業部簽的合約裡面就是說一次送一個月因為對他們來說可以節省運送的成本但是因為這樣子就會讓很多學校喝不到他不願意做一個分配那請問農業部知道這個事嗎"},{"start":470.479,"end":492.134,"text":"我想謝謝委員提出來也提醒我們農業部知不知道這個事我們也正在協調也正在協調農業部你今天我今天告訴你那麼多的問題你都一副就是我本來就知道但是我就盡量協調但是我沒有要把它處理你給我態度就這樣啊請教一下我剛剛講的問題你什麼時候可以解決什麼時候可以解決"},{"start":493.362,"end":514.23,"text":"如果針對新北的部分,我們當然就是針對新北鮮奶術品,但是…量,第一個量的問題,第二個解決那個鮮奶的冷鏈、冷藏的問題,第三個是偏遠地區配送鮮奶的問題,第四個是保久乳要送,不要一次送一個月,讓它可以分散,讓大家都可以喝得到,農業部大概什麼時候可以提出解決方案?"},{"start":514.977,"end":516.358,"text":"教育部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長"},{"start":532.395,"end":553.21,"text":"我請教一下那個校安的部分之前土城的國三生的戈井案的宣判出來了嘛總共判九年嘛那因為是少年犯所以只要三分之一假釋就可以出來關三年就出來了那我個人是覺得啦當然法律是這樣定但是這個對於學校的校園安全"},{"start":554.298,"end":580.715,"text":"我認為是沒有辦法達到什麼賀祖利啦十五歲殺一條人殺一條殺一個人一條人命進去之後三年就出來十八歲出來之後還大圍了啦出來還大圍部長你覺得這樣的法律有賀祖利嗎我想對青少年的許多的發展裡面他們怎麼樣給他們有一個更安全的一個校園學習的一個環境確實是我沒有努力部長"},{"start":581.741,"end":598.454,"text":"我之前一直跟你建議說把學務組、學務處至少生教組可以增設專職的校安人員這其實是很多學校給我的建議一個數據啦因為現在很多生教組長都是代理老師這你應該也知道吧是"},{"start":599.134,"end":625.157,"text":"那大家因為覺得生肖組長的工作太繁重他們平常還有教課所以實在是沒有願意做那現在產生一個叫行政大逃亡生肖組長根本沒有人要兼那我一直建議說可以找專職的校園人員來處理學生事務那上個會期您告訴我說會在開學前給一個報告結果你回給我的報告上面還是說要增設一個副組長的津貼就是讓老師來兼副組長"},{"start":626.83,"end":636.237,"text":"這完全是風馬流不相及現在連組長都找不到人要兼的你又開一個副組長那一樣是帶老師來兼啊這個跟我剛說跟你的訴求是完全不一樣"},{"start":639.108,"end":666.501,"text":"跟我們報告,確實我們現在也在在內部在整體的一個評估在整個……不是,叫部長上個會期你就跟我說在這個會期前會給個報告針對我們說偵測校安人員的部分嘛那你就沒有做到嘛那我不知道說因為這個新的會期又開始是不是可以真的認真的針對我們的問題來回答因為你回到千篇一律都不是針對我們的問題你增加一個副組長沒有解決我們講的問題嗎"},{"start":668.936,"end":670.838,"text":"請部長會後再去葉委員辦公室報告好不好?"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":3,"tmpMeeting":null,"committees":[22],"term":11,"id":"委員會-11-2-22-3","title":"第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議","type":"委員會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"10:20:18 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行專題報告，並備質詢；另請內政部國\n土管理署派員列席備詢","agenda_id":"1138101_00016"}}}