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00:01:27,905\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案\n\n6\n00:01:52,138 --> 00:01:55,500\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n7\n00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:19,616\n一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、\n\n8\n00:02:29,868 --> 00:02:33,572\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n\n9\n00:02:46,044 --> 00:02:48,506\n一條之一條文修正草案案。»:請問我們劉部長如果國土計畫\n\n10\n00:03:12,444 --> 00:03:20,310\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:審查委員張嘉郡等29人擬具:「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案案。»:\n\n11\n00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:57,883\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n12\n00:04:03,027 --> 00:04:12,533\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:現在是沒有辦法來做這一件事。好重點來了你說會協助原住民就是房屋合法化嘛但是在合法前的話就\n\n13\n00:04:13,786 --> 00:04:30,471\n一條文修正草案案件提示就是要取得評估報告這一筆費用就是上百萬對我們原住民的朋友來說就是非常負擔的內政部有這個怎麼樣如何去協助還有我們國土計劃法在第23條之中針對\n\n14\n00:04:33,852 --> 00:04:45,041\n一條之一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文\n\n15\n00:05:00,445 --> 00:05:09,310\n規則訂定出來讓我們原住民朋友可以安心可以嗎這個部分這個部分我們會跟原民會這裡加速談因為其實\n\n16\n00:05:10,151 --> 00:05:29,464\n能夠有爭議性的條例已經變得很少了這個部分原民會提出來我們會加速跟他們出來談判所以我們國土計畫實施稱農地總量的不變有八十萬公頃的以上的可耕地的面積但是呢依據2017年農委會的調查只有六十八公頃的農耕\n\n17\n00:05:36,568 --> 00:05:49,023\n三條之一條文修正草案案。cellence請問部長面積差了近百分之十五這樣這些出來的土地從哪裡來的這樣子是數據是\n\n18\n00:05:52,381 --> 00:06:15,423\n一條之一條文修正草案案。»:跟委員報告啦,因為耕地在這個農發條例裡面它也有定義,但是農業地區它在農發條例也有定義,這兩個定義是不一樣的,那基本上我們所謂的這一個郭陸公農分區裡面我們作為農一、農二、農三、農四這一些可以發展的用地,它並不完全是耕地,但是事實上是屬於農業發展,也就是說……\n\n19\n00:06:17,585 --> 00:06:27,292\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第\n\n20\n00:06:39,341 --> 00:06:50,490\n一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n21\n00:07:03,154 --> 00:07:06,116\n二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n22\n00:07:24,827 --> 00:07:31,049\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n23\n00:07:42,933 --> 00:07:57,761\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n24\n00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:14,691\n一條之一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．\n\n25\n00:08:40,725 --> 00:08:51,917\n一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7150\t20965\t二十一條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 我要請教一下部長認同投資交易就是投資未來這個計畫嗎?\n25479\t37180\t一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第\n38220\t40521\t一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n67052\t70634\t所以請教關於這個個案就是建國啤酒廠在上個月重新提交內政部都市計畫委員會目前進度如何是否可以加快進度呢這個部分\n83882\t87905\t一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案\n112138\t115500\t三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n134970\t139616\t一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、\n149868\t153572\t一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n166044\t168506\t一條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 請問我們劉部長如果國土計畫\n192444\t200310\t三條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 審查委員張嘉郡等29人擬具:「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案案。 »:\n222110\t237883\t三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n243027\t252533\t三條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 現在是沒有辦法來做這一件事。好重點來了你說會協助原住民就是房屋合法化嘛但是在合法前的話就\n253786\t270471\t一條文修正草案案件提示就是要取得評估報告這一筆費用就是上百萬對我們原住民的朋友來說就是非常負擔的內政部有這個怎麼樣如何去協助還有我們國土計劃法在第23條之中針對\n273852\t285041\t一條之一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文\n300445\t309310\t規則訂定出來讓我們原住民朋友可以安心可以嗎這個部分這個部分我們會跟原民會這裡加速談因為其實\n310151\t329464\t能夠有爭議性的條例已經變得很少了這個部分原民會提出來我們會加速跟他們出來談判所以我們國土計畫實施稱農地總量的不變有八十萬公頃的以上的可耕地的面積但是呢依據2017年農委會的調查只有六十八公頃的農耕\n336568\t349023\t三條之一條文修正草案案。cellence 請問部長面積差了近百分之十五這樣這些出來的土地從哪裡來的這樣子是數據是\n352381\t375423\t一條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 跟委員報告啦,因為耕地在這個農發條例裡面它也有定義,但是農業地區它在農發條例也有定義,這兩個定義是不一樣的,那基本上我們所謂的這一個郭陸公農分區裡面我們作為農一、農二、農三、農四這一些可以發展的用地,它並不完全是耕地,但是事實上是屬於農業發展,也就是說……\n377585\t387292\t三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第\n399341\t410490\t一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n423154\t426116\t二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n444827\t451049\t三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n462933\t477761\t三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n491909\t494691\t一條之一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．\n520725\t531917\t一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n","txt":"二十一條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 我要請教一下部長認同投資交易就是投資未來這個計畫嗎?\n一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n所以請教關於這個個案就是建國啤酒廠在上個月重新提交內政部都市計畫委員會目前進度如何是否可以加快進度呢這個部分\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n一條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 請問我們劉部長如果國土計畫\n三條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 審查委員張嘉郡等29人擬具:「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案案。 »:\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n三條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 現在是沒有辦法來做這一件事。好重點來了你說會協助原住民就是房屋合法化嘛但是在合法前的話就\n一條文修正草案案件提示就是要取得評估報告這一筆費用就是上百萬對我們原住民的朋友來說就是非常負擔的內政部有這個怎麼樣如何去協助還有我們國土計劃法在第23條之中針對\n一條之一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文\n規則訂定出來讓我們原住民朋友可以安心可以嗎這個部分這個部分我們會跟原民會這裡加速談因為其實\n能夠有爭議性的條例已經變得很少了這個部分原民會提出來我們會加速跟他們出來談判所以我們國土計畫實施稱農地總量的不變有八十萬公頃的以上的可耕地的面積但是呢依據2017年農委會的調查只有六十八公頃的農耕\n三條之一條文修正草案案。cellence 請問部長面積差了近百分之十五這樣這些出來的土地從哪裡來的這樣子是數據是\n一條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 跟委員報告啦,因為耕地在這個農發條例裡面它也有定義,但是農業地區它在農發條例也有定義,這兩個定義是不一樣的,那基本上我們所謂的這一個郭陸公農分區裡面我們作為農一、農二、農三、農四這一些可以發展的用地,它並不完全是耕地,但是事實上是屬於農業發展,也就是說……\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第\n一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n一條之一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．\n一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.150 --> 00:20.965\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案。»:我要請教一下部長認同投資交易就是投資未來這個計畫嗎?\n\n00:25.479 --> 00:37.180\n一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第\n\n00:38.220 --> 00:40.521\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n\n01:07.052 --> 01:10.634\n所以請教關於這個個案就是建國啤酒廠在上個月重新提交內政部都市計畫委員會目前進度如何是否可以加快進度呢這個部分\n\n01:23.882 --> 01:27.905\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案\n\n01:52.138 --> 01:55.500\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n02:14.970 --> 02:19.616\n一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、\n\n02:29.868 --> 02:33.572\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n\n02:46.044 --> 02:48.506\n一條之一條文修正草案案。»:請問我們劉部長如果國土計畫\n\n03:12.444 --> 03:20.310\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:審查委員張嘉郡等29人擬具:「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案案。»:\n\n03:42.110 --> 03:57.883\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n04:03.027 --> 04:12.533\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:現在是沒有辦法來做這一件事。好重點來了你說會協助原住民就是房屋合法化嘛但是在合法前的話就\n\n04:13.786 --> 04:30.471\n一條文修正草案案件提示就是要取得評估報告這一筆費用就是上百萬對我們原住民的朋友來說就是非常負擔的內政部有這個怎麼樣如何去協助還有我們國土計劃法在第23條之中針對\n\n04:33.852 --> 04:45.041\n一條之一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文\n\n05:00.445 --> 05:09.310\n規則訂定出來讓我們原住民朋友可以安心可以嗎這個部分這個部分我們會跟原民會這裡加速談因為其實\n\n05:10.151 --> 05:29.464\n能夠有爭議性的條例已經變得很少了這個部分原民會提出來我們會加速跟他們出來談判所以我們國土計畫實施稱農地總量的不變有八十萬公頃的以上的可耕地的面積但是呢依據2017年農委會的調查只有六十八公頃的農耕\n\n05:36.568 --> 05:49.023\n三條之一條文修正草案案。cellence請問部長面積差了近百分之十五這樣這些出來的土地從哪裡來的這樣子是數據是\n\n05:52.381 --> 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Tahovecahe等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。\n【詢答及處理；「本案歡迎各直轄市及縣(市)政府提供書面意見」】\n\n二、都市計畫法：\n(一)審查委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(二)審查委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(三)審查委員黃健豪等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(四)審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(五)審查委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(六)審查委員林沛祥等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(七)審查委員廖先翔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第十九條及第八十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(八)審查委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n【本案僅詢答】）","id":155121,"gazette":{"lineno":305,"blocks":[["麥委員玉珍：（10時3分）謝謝主席，有請部長。部長好。"],["主席：請部長。"],["劉部長世芳：麥委員早。"],["麥委員玉珍：我要請教一下部長，認同「投資教育就是投資未來」這句話嗎？「投資教育就是投資未來」這句話。"],["劉部長世芳：不只投資未來，我想現在也非常重要，教育也都非常重要。"],["麥委員玉珍：你認同。好，我再請教你一下，市定古蹟比較重要，還是國家未來教育發展比較重要？"],["劉部長世芳：兩個都非常重要，我們要鑑古，也要知未來，兩個都一起重要，如果我們不知道我們的古蹟及古蹟的歷史脈絡的話，我們變成沒有認同，我想兩個都很重要。"],["麥委員玉珍：好，非常好。我認為古蹟文化保存固然很重要，但還是要兼顧都市、教育、科技的發展，所以請教關於這個個案，就是建國啤酒廠在上個月重新提交內政部都市計畫委員會，目前進度如何？是否可以加快進度呢？"],["劉部長世芳：我請署長來回應，好嗎？"],["麥委員玉珍：好，沒問題。"],["吳署長欣修：感謝委員垂詢。建國啤酒廠變更的案子現在在大會有開過兩次會議，因為在過程當中，當然有一些支持文化保存的，他誤以為作為學校就不會再去重視文化保存，所以這兩次都有過來，我們都還在積極協調當中，希望能夠有共識，讓大會能夠做一個決議，是這樣。"],["麥委員玉珍：好，所以個案變更就是要如何訂出那種標準，還有，不要再把責任推給計畫在進行中、還在討論中，或者是說都市計畫主管認同再確定，因為這個已經拖很久了，所以希望這個部分可以再進行。"],["吳署長欣修：是，也感謝委員的關心。其實這個案子因為雙方的差距已經縮很小了，所以在接下來，只要進度上雙方的共識已經差不多，我想我們會很快地在大會處理這個案子。基本上，對於保存文資、甚至文資的活化，其實大家都是一致的共識，現在是在具體的作法上，如果在這個變更案裡面能夠確認具體的方向，我想提大會要通過的機會就很高。"],["麥委員玉珍：好，就是希望期待近期，不要一直說在規劃……"],["吳署長欣修：好，這個我們會再努力。"],["麥委員玉珍：好，OK！再請教一下，據內政部統計資料，目前全國有將近15萬戶的原住民房屋蓋在非建地的土地上面，請問劉部長，如果國土計畫法上路後，這個房屋都會就地非法，你知道嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：不是這樣子解釋吧！可不可以請署長再回應一下？"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，其實現在國土計畫要準備把最後的功能分區圖上路的同時，就是跟原民會在合作訂定原住民的土地使用管制要點，所以這個土地使用管制要點是依附在國土計畫法裡面。"],["麥委員玉珍：沒錯。"],["吳署長欣修：所以國土計畫法能上路，原住民土地的管制才能跟著上路。"],["麥委員玉珍：是。"],["吳署長欣修：所以相對地是說，國土計畫能夠上去的話，原住民的這一些房子能夠去申請合法，如果相對在現行的區域計畫裡面，現在是沒有辦法來做這一件事情。"],["麥委員玉珍：好，重點來了，你說會協助原住民房屋合法化嘛！"],["吳署長欣修：是。"],["麥委員玉珍：但是合法的前提就是要取得評估報告，這一筆費用就是上百萬，對我們原住民朋友來說是非常大的負擔，內政部如何去協助？還有，國土計畫法在第二十三條之中，針對原住民土地使用的承諾條文裡面，我們內政部原住民族土地使用管制規劃遲遲沒有出爐，原民會主委也說今天（10月7號）會再次開會，我要求這個月可不可以把這個規則訂定出來，讓我們原住民朋友可以安心，這個部分可以嗎？"],["吳署長欣修：這個部分我們會跟原民會再加速，因為其實有爭議性的條文已經變得很少了，這個部分原民會提出來，我們會加速跟他們再來談。"],["麥委員玉珍：再來，我們國土計畫實施稱農地總量不變，有80萬公頃以上的可耕地面積，但是依據2017年農委會的調查，只可提供60萬公頃這樣子的農耕生產面積，但是請問部長，面積差了近15%，這些出多來的土地從哪裡來的？這樣子的數據是造假的嗎？"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，因為耕地在農發條例裡面也有定義，但是農業地區在農發條例也有定義，這兩個定義是不一樣，基本上，我們所謂的國土功能分區裡面，作為農一、農二、農三、農四這一些可以發展的用地，它並不完全是耕地，但是事實上是屬於農業發展，也就是說……"],["麥委員玉珍：但是差異很大。"],["吳署長欣修：我跟委員報告，也包含了農林漁牧的，也包含所謂過去有一些在農地發展上相對比較差的，但事實上它有耕作行為的，我們還是都有列進去。"],["麥委員玉珍：但是原本有約3至4萬公頃的河川地，在不影響防洪的前提下長期農作使用，這些土地是臺灣要種蔬菜、瓜類的地，但是現在卻被劃為土地保育區，臺灣的農地已經夠少了，請問部長，你覺得這樣合理嗎？"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，這兩個是基於不同法系，一個是水利法，一個是農發條例，基本上，在法條的相對應下，在國土保育地區仍然是可以實施農耕的，這一點……"],["麥委員玉珍：對，但是我認為內政部溝通不足啦！國家發展計畫的實施固然重要，但也要兼顧好溝通的責任，不要造成人民、農民的恐慌，因為我們要保護，但那邊的統計又有落差，所以我呼籲政府針對地籍資料的老舊，還有實際國土現有統計的差異，一定要進行現場查勘，如果條件符合，才可以列入規劃，並且擴大加碼綠色環境的給付，為臺灣創造良好的糧食自給條件，把良好的農業、農田留給臺灣的下一代。所以我們希望政府要把關，要有正確的數據，不要讓人民在查閱時發現這邊跟那邊有15%的差異，希望這部分要有明確的數據提供給我們農民，讓農民清楚知道需要保育的地方和農耕的地方，這樣對我們農民才更有幫助。"],["吳署長欣修：好，這個我們會跟農業部一起來努力，把這個事情釐清。"],["麥委員玉珍：好，謝謝。"],["吳署長欣修：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝麥玉珍委員。","接下來請黃建賓委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":164,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-3","speakers":["徐欣瑩","張嘉郡","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","王育敏","丁學忠","許宇甄","廖先翔","林沛祥","黃健豪","王美惠","蘇巧慧","張智倫","麥玉珍","黃建賓","張宏陸","李柏毅","黃捷","牛煦庭","黃國昌","李坤城","吳琪銘","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","廖偉翔","高金素梅","傅崐萁"],"page_start":87,"meetingDate":["2024-10-07"],"gazette_id":"1137901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、殯葬管理條例：(一)審查委員丁學忠等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草\n案」案、( 二 ) 審查委員張嘉郡等29 人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、\n(三)審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)審查委\n員許宇甄等18人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員羅廷瑋等\n17 人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、 ( 六 ) 審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai\nTahovecahe 等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；二、都市計畫法：\n(一)審查委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)審查委員\n楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)審查委員黃健豪等19人\n擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「都市計\n畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三\n條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)審查委員林沛祥等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十五條條文修正草\n案」案、( 七 ) 審查委員廖先翔等16 人擬具「都市計畫法第十九條及第八十二條條文修正草案」\n案、(八)審查委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案【本案僅詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1137901_00004"}}}