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00:02:01,252\n賬號的填充供給就是我們所謂的賬戶供給那就是駭客收集這些使用者的名稱、密碼等等的這樣的一個訊息來使用自動化的技術嘗試各個網站進行登入\n\n6\n00:02:01,972 --> 00:02:12,116\n最後撞擊出正確的名稱跟密碼這個現代人很多都這樣都用同樣的一個帳號Gmail的帳號或是密碼都同樣的認為這樣比較好記那其實有這樣的狀況那\n\n7\n00:02:16,830 --> 00:02:41,433\n數位部了不了解這樣的狀況來完全了解在掌握中我請那個素材署的副署長來說明一下我們跟這家公司聯絡那剛剛就陳如委員剛剛講的他們就是駭客用鑽庫供給的方式那他們有把有儲值軍的先把他們先登出之後請他們用OTP再驗證一次目前是應該是他說相對沒有問題以上\n\n8\n00:02:43,534 --> 00:03:04,839\n臺灣其實部長你知不知道最近有個Who'sCall還有全球黃渣聯盟跟新加坡政府合作的一個亞洲詐騙調查報告有一個臺灣篇他們認為目前臺灣最大宗的詐騙手法就是各自的盜用那這個部分我們是希望能夠第一個\n\n9\n00:03:07,013 --> 00:03:25,919\n嚴厲協助業者來進行相關的資安的管理改善而如果說他們業者願意超前提高安全的這些層級的業者是否會有講注的措施來加強使用者的這些個人資安的管理以及維護來說明一下\n\n10\n00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:42,536\n這個委員建議很好我們回去再延續一下不過我跟委員講就是因為這剛剛報告前面委員都提到說這個帳號被這個密碼被盜用或這種問題我會特別也這邊呼籲國人就是說密碼是\n\n11\n00:03:43,737 --> 00:04:06,169\n被盜是常常有所以密碼的選擇很重要一定要夠安全那當然也讓大家知道就是說現在有很多技術可以防止密碼被盜比如說像多因子認證一定要使用多因子認證就是說不是只有簡單的userIDpassword就進入一個系統而是你必須在經過第三個第二層的一個驗證像onetimepassword或者是簡訊的通知\n\n12\n00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:09,892\n另外我們看到數位產業的發展其實是非常的快速產業的發展其實也\n\n13\n00:04:34,153 --> 00:04:46,763\n有讓這些新型的犯罪形態多樣化而且產生這樣的一個對民眾權益的這個衝擊那他其實這些多樣的犯罪形態也包括詐騙\n\n14\n00:04:48,697 --> 00:04:48,857\n﹚李昆澤﹚\n\n15\n00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:33,765\n兒童或是青少年來要求說我們會給你相關的這些圖片或者是點數等等來詐騙雖然是幾千塊但是他會要求說你們小朋友來以這種私密的照片或是猥褻的影片來造成這些小孩子一輩子永遠的傷害跟陰影\n\n16\n00:05:34,912 --> 00:05:45,035\n那其實這個件數非常多我看衛福部由統計而掃的這種新剝削的案件是逐年的增加2021年1848件2022年2271件2023年3346件部長你們有察覺到這個嚴重性嗎來說明一下\n\n17\n00:05:56,658 --> 00:06:13,341\n那個這方面當然我們一直有在monitor當然我們有一個機制就是可以停止解析的一個機制就是說如果今天兒少問題如果是衛福部有送通知給我們對某些網站要停止解析限制流量我們都會處理\n\n18\n00:06:14,102 --> 00:06:34,810\n那過去事實上我們處理類似案件已經處理到6萬多件了也就是說我們停止解析像這種兒少或者是詐騙的網站已經有這個從這個不管是檢調警檢調單位或者是衛福部對這種案件的一些這個所謂的這個案例的處理我們有配合處理大概目前有處理6萬多件從去年到現在\n\n19\n00:06:35,410 --> 00:06:36,951\n部長,我們要加強跟這個教育宣導\n\n20\n00:06:51,144 --> 00:07:13,667\n而且要強化業者還有衛福部以及數位部的多方的合作那新少年的這個群體他們不管是數位知識、風險評估或是安全的意識是普遍不足現在使用手機的小朋友年紀越來越小父母常常會把手機給小孩\n\n21\n00:07:15,298 --> 00:07:39,294\n這個小孩使用3C的產品也越來越普遍我們要針對性的加強教育跟宣導這個有做嗎?來說明一下我們在那個不同的管道包括像資訊樂還有一些這個所謂的公開的那個我們會去做這樣的宣導還是不足啦這個部分還是不足啦有那麼多小朋友受騙啊我看到某個這個\n\n22\n00:07:41,455 --> 00:07:47,702\n知名的遊戲平台他就自行封鎖了291個這種詐騙的帳號那表示單單這個遊戲平台就有超過300名以上的\n\n23\n00:07:54,619 --> 00:08:10,525\n而少的受害者這一種是非常越來越嚴重了要加強宣導另外我們要針對社交模式的遊戲業者要建立檢舉的管道建立社群規範及公司內部的安全文化這個有做嗎來說明\n\n24\n00:08:11,385 --> 00:08:27,910\n我們跟那個幾個大平台像Line或是像這個Facebook是有這樣的管道那他們也有自己的自律的機制所以如果是他們自己發現他們自己會下架那如果是我們發現我們會叫他下架所以這個這樣的管道是有當然就是還有需要更多的努力因為那個這種這個\n\n25\n00:08:30,811 --> 00:08:34,154\n現在有受害者這種影片外流的這種憂慮那衛福部有一個新影像的處理中心這個要加強業者以及衛福部以及跟數位部必須要加強合作\n\n26\n00:08:57,273 --> 00:09:22,956\n那這些外流影像可以轉化成數據的代碼衛福部的這個新影像處理中心轉化成代碼有它的獨特性就是所謂的數位指紋這種代碼數位指紋可以提供代碼給合作這些下架的業者而且能夠自動偵測預防這些影像的上傳這個有沒有做呢來處理一下瞭解一下說明一下\n\n27\n00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:46,540\n我們現在針對AI生成或Deepfake生成的我們會要求類似湖水運的那些標記所以以後大家可以辨識那這個是虛偽的這是AI的部分嘛那我說針對這些被性剝削的這些兒少他們相關的影像我們不讓他繼續的外流有什麼具體的作為\n\n28\n00:09:47,461 --> 00:10:14,940\n像這種數位的指紋這樣的一個數位的代碼會傳到各個業者請他們要加強來處理嗎這個我們會跟這樣的技術我們跟業者再來討論就是說事實上剛剛講這個代碼或是說有民眾利用比如說LINE這樣品牌來傳這種東西的話就要跟LINE去配合這個我們再來目前是沒有目前會保護下一代保護澳大利亞是我們重要的責任這種\n\n29\n00:10:17,062 --> 00:10:22,870\n詐騙這種新波靴真的是越來越嚴重這個我們不能接受啊好這個我們再跟平台業者再來討論好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3627\t25788\t謝謝昭偉 針對今天早上開會的這個議事的程序我真的是大開眼界 要求NCC能夠坐在座位上來做報告那如果NCC在座位上來做報告 那立委不就要躺著聽嗎投手本來就是要站在投手球 哪有說從休息室、從檸檬來投球的\n28682\t52774\t這都是非常奇怪的一件事另外沒有讓恩琪琪的代理主委來做報告請主秘來報告我們可以去指定對方的投手是誰嗎人家先發投手這個我們不要我們要其他的投手這都是很奇怪有時候我們要修理別人但踐踏的是誰的尊嚴這個大家要好好的思考謝謝昭偉請一下黃部長黃部長\n59755\t76238\t部長這兩天就是10月5號某個知名網路的購物平台他其實遭到民眾質疑他的使用者的資料是不是被盜或者是駭客入侵導致他們的帳戶被盜用\n77559\t102239\t那賬號內的儲值金啊被花用殆盡的這種狀況目前查到大概是有8個人啊他的受害者的這個金額已經超過百萬元那網路購物平台啊他們有去做了解跟澄清他們認為說他們沒有被駭客入侵是使用者的資料被盜用那就是所謂的這一種\n105520\t121252\t賬號的填充供給就是我們所謂的賬戶供給那就是駭客收集這些使用者的名稱、密碼等等的這樣的一個訊息來使用自動化的技術嘗試各個網站進行登入\n121972\t132116\t最後撞擊出正確的名稱跟密碼這個現代人很多都這樣都用同樣的一個帳號Gmail的帳號或是密碼都同樣的認為這樣比較好記那其實有這樣的狀況那\n136830\t161433\t數位部了不了解這樣的狀況來完全了解在掌握中我請那個素材署的副署長來說明一下我們跟這家公司聯絡那剛剛就陳如委員剛剛講的他們就是駭客用鑽庫供給的方式那他們有把有儲值軍的先把他們先登出之後請他們用OTP再驗證一次目前是應該是他說相對沒有問題以上\n163534\t184839\t臺灣其實部長你知不知道最近有個Who's Call還有全球黃渣聯盟跟新加坡政府合作的一個亞洲詐騙調查報告有一個臺灣篇他們認為目前臺灣最大宗的詐騙手法就是各自的盜用那這個部分我們是希望能夠第一個\n187013\t205919\t嚴厲協助業者來進行相關的資安的管理改善而如果說他們業者願意超前提高安全的這些層級的業者是否會有講注的措施來加強使用者的這些個人資安的管理以及維護來說明一下\n208260\t222536\t這個委員建議很好我們回去再延續一下不過我跟委員講就是因為這剛剛報告前面委員都提到說這個帳號被這個密碼被盜用或這種問題我會特別也這邊呼籲國人就是說密碼是\n223737\t246169\t被盜是常常有所以密碼的選擇很重要一定要夠安全那當然也讓大家知道就是說現在有很多技術可以防止密碼被盜比如說像多因子認證一定要使用多因子認證就是說不是只有簡單的user ID password就進入一個系統而是你必須在經過第三個第二層的一個驗證像one time password或者是簡訊的通知\n246949\t249892\t另外我們看到數位產業的發展其實是非常的快速產業的發展其實也\n274153\t286763\t有讓這些新型的犯罪形態多樣化而且產生這樣的一個對民眾權益的這個衝擊那他其實這些多樣的犯罪形態也包括詐騙\n288697\t288857\t﹚李昆澤﹚\n308560\t333765\t兒童或是青少年來要求說我們會給你相關的這些圖片或者是點數等等來詐騙雖然是幾千塊但是他會要求說你們小朋友來以這種私密的照片或是猥褻的影片來造成這些小孩子一輩子永遠的傷害跟陰影\n334912\t345035\t那其實這個件數非常多我看衛福部由統計而掃的這種新剝削的案件是逐年的增加2021年1848件2022年2271件2023年3346件部長你們有察覺到這個嚴重性嗎 來說明一下\n356658\t373341\t那個這方面當然我們一直有在monitor當然我們有一個機制就是可以停止解析的一個機制就是說如果今天兒少問題如果是衛福部有送通知給我們對某些網站要停止解析限制流量我們都會處理\n374102\t394810\t那過去事實上我們處理類似案件已經處理到6萬多件了也就是說我們停止解析像這種兒少或者是詐騙的網站已經有這個從這個不管是檢調警檢調單位或者是衛福部對這種案件的一些這個所謂的這個案例的處理我們有配合處理大概目前有處理6萬多件從去年到現在\n395410\t396951\t部長,我們要加強跟這個教育宣導\n411144\t433667\t而且要強化業者還有衛福部以及數位部的多方的合作那新少年的這個群體他們不管是數位知識、風險評估或是安全的意識是普遍不足現在使用手機的小朋友年紀越來越小父母常常會把手機給小孩\n435298\t459294\t這個小孩使用3C的產品也越來越普遍我們要針對性的加強教育跟宣導這個有做嗎?來說明一下我們在那個不同的管道包括像資訊樂還有一些這個所謂的公開的那個我們會去做這樣的宣導還是不足啦這個部分還是不足啦有那麼多小朋友受騙啊我看到某個這個\n461455\t467702\t知名的遊戲平台他就自行封鎖了291個這種詐騙的帳號那表示單單這個遊戲平台就有超過300名以上的\n474619\t490525\t而少的受害者這一種是非常越來越嚴重了要加強宣導另外我們要針對社交模式的遊戲業者要建立檢舉的管道建立社群規範及公司內部的安全文化這個有做嗎來說明\n491385\t507910\t我們跟那個幾個大平台像Line或是像這個Facebook是有這樣的管道那他們也有自己的自律的機制所以如果是他們自己發現他們自己會下架那如果是我們發現我們會叫他下架所以這個這樣的管道是有當然就是還有需要更多的努力因為那個這種這個\n510811\t514154\t現在有受害者這種影片外流的這種憂慮那衛福部有一個新影像的處理中心這個要加強業者以及衛福部以及跟數位部必須要加強合作\n537273\t562956\t那這些外流影像可以轉化成數據的代碼衛福部的這個新影像處理中心轉化成代碼有它的獨特性就是所謂的數位指紋這種代碼數位指紋可以提供代碼給合作這些下架的業者而且能夠自動偵測預防這些影像的上傳這個有沒有做呢來處理一下瞭解一下說明一下\n565700\t586540\t我們現在針對AI生成或Deepfake生成的我們會要求類似湖水運的那些標記所以以後大家可以辨識那這個是虛偽的這是AI的部分嘛那我說針對這些被性剝削的這些兒少他們相關的影像我們不讓他繼續的外流有什麼具體的作為\n587461\t614940\t像這種數位的指紋這樣的一個數位的代碼會傳到各個業者請他們要加強來處理嗎這個我們會跟這樣的技術我們跟業者再來討論就是說事實上剛剛講這個代碼或是說有民眾利用比如說LINE這樣品牌來傳這種東西的話就要跟LINE去配合這個我們再來目前是沒有目前會保護下一代保護澳大利亞是我們重要的責任這種\n617062\t622870\t詐騙這種新波靴真的是越來越嚴重這個我們不能接受啊好這個我們再跟平台業者再來討論好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝昭偉 針對今天早上開會的這個議事的程序我真的是大開眼界 要求NCC能夠坐在座位上來做報告那如果NCC在座位上來做報告 那立委不就要躺著聽嗎投手本來就是要站在投手球 哪有說從休息室、從檸檬來投球的\n這都是非常奇怪的一件事另外沒有讓恩琪琪的代理主委來做報告請主秘來報告我們可以去指定對方的投手是誰嗎人家先發投手這個我們不要我們要其他的投手這都是很奇怪有時候我們要修理別人但踐踏的是誰的尊嚴這個大家要好好的思考謝謝昭偉請一下黃部長黃部長\n部長這兩天就是10月5號某個知名網路的購物平台他其實遭到民眾質疑他的使用者的資料是不是被盜或者是駭客入侵導致他們的帳戶被盜用\n那賬號內的儲值金啊被花用殆盡的這種狀況目前查到大概是有8個人啊他的受害者的這個金額已經超過百萬元那網路購物平台啊他們有去做了解跟澄清他們認為說他們沒有被駭客入侵是使用者的資料被盜用那就是所謂的這一種\n賬號的填充供給就是我們所謂的賬戶供給那就是駭客收集這些使用者的名稱、密碼等等的這樣的一個訊息來使用自動化的技術嘗試各個網站進行登入\n最後撞擊出正確的名稱跟密碼這個現代人很多都這樣都用同樣的一個帳號Gmail的帳號或是密碼都同樣的認為這樣比較好記那其實有這樣的狀況那\n數位部了不了解這樣的狀況來完全了解在掌握中我請那個素材署的副署長來說明一下我們跟這家公司聯絡那剛剛就陳如委員剛剛講的他們就是駭客用鑽庫供給的方式那他們有把有儲值軍的先把他們先登出之後請他們用OTP再驗證一次目前是應該是他說相對沒有問題以上\n臺灣其實部長你知不知道最近有個Who's Call還有全球黃渣聯盟跟新加坡政府合作的一個亞洲詐騙調查報告有一個臺灣篇他們認為目前臺灣最大宗的詐騙手法就是各自的盜用那這個部分我們是希望能夠第一個\n嚴厲協助業者來進行相關的資安的管理改善而如果說他們業者願意超前提高安全的這些層級的業者是否會有講注的措施來加強使用者的這些個人資安的管理以及維護來說明一下\n這個委員建議很好我們回去再延續一下不過我跟委員講就是因為這剛剛報告前面委員都提到說這個帳號被這個密碼被盜用或這種問題我會特別也這邊呼籲國人就是說密碼是\n被盜是常常有所以密碼的選擇很重要一定要夠安全那當然也讓大家知道就是說現在有很多技術可以防止密碼被盜比如說像多因子認證一定要使用多因子認證就是說不是只有簡單的user ID password就進入一個系統而是你必須在經過第三個第二層的一個驗證像one time password或者是簡訊的通知\n另外我們看到數位產業的發展其實是非常的快速產業的發展其實也\n有讓這些新型的犯罪形態多樣化而且產生這樣的一個對民眾權益的這個衝擊那他其實這些多樣的犯罪形態也包括詐騙\n﹚李昆澤﹚\n兒童或是青少年來要求說我們會給你相關的這些圖片或者是點數等等來詐騙雖然是幾千塊但是他會要求說你們小朋友來以這種私密的照片或是猥褻的影片來造成這些小孩子一輩子永遠的傷害跟陰影\n那其實這個件數非常多我看衛福部由統計而掃的這種新剝削的案件是逐年的增加2021年1848件2022年2271件2023年3346件部長你們有察覺到這個嚴重性嗎 來說明一下\n那個這方面當然我們一直有在monitor當然我們有一個機制就是可以停止解析的一個機制就是說如果今天兒少問題如果是衛福部有送通知給我們對某些網站要停止解析限制流量我們都會處理\n那過去事實上我們處理類似案件已經處理到6萬多件了也就是說我們停止解析像這種兒少或者是詐騙的網站已經有這個從這個不管是檢調警檢調單位或者是衛福部對這種案件的一些這個所謂的這個案例的處理我們有配合處理大概目前有處理6萬多件從去年到現在\n部長,我們要加強跟這個教育宣導\n而且要強化業者還有衛福部以及數位部的多方的合作那新少年的這個群體他們不管是數位知識、風險評估或是安全的意識是普遍不足現在使用手機的小朋友年紀越來越小父母常常會把手機給小孩\n這個小孩使用3C的產品也越來越普遍我們要針對性的加強教育跟宣導這個有做嗎?來說明一下我們在那個不同的管道包括像資訊樂還有一些這個所謂的公開的那個我們會去做這樣的宣導還是不足啦這個部分還是不足啦有那麼多小朋友受騙啊我看到某個這個\n知名的遊戲平台他就自行封鎖了291個這種詐騙的帳號那表示單單這個遊戲平台就有超過300名以上的\n而少的受害者這一種是非常越來越嚴重了要加強宣導另外我們要針對社交模式的遊戲業者要建立檢舉的管道建立社群規範及公司內部的安全文化這個有做嗎來說明\n我們跟那個幾個大平台像Line或是像這個Facebook是有這樣的管道那他們也有自己的自律的機制所以如果是他們自己發現他們自己會下架那如果是我們發現我們會叫他下架所以這個這樣的管道是有當然就是還有需要更多的努力因為那個這種這個\n現在有受害者這種影片外流的這種憂慮那衛福部有一個新影像的處理中心這個要加強業者以及衛福部以及跟數位部必須要加強合作\n那這些外流影像可以轉化成數據的代碼衛福部的這個新影像處理中心轉化成代碼有它的獨特性就是所謂的數位指紋這種代碼數位指紋可以提供代碼給合作這些下架的業者而且能夠自動偵測預防這些影像的上傳這個有沒有做呢來處理一下瞭解一下說明一下\n我們現在針對AI生成或Deepfake生成的我們會要求類似湖水運的那些標記所以以後大家可以辨識那這個是虛偽的這是AI的部分嘛那我說針對這些被性剝削的這些兒少他們相關的影像我們不讓他繼續的外流有什麼具體的作為\n像這種數位的指紋這樣的一個數位的代碼會傳到各個業者請他們要加強來處理嗎這個我們會跟這樣的技術我們跟業者再來討論就是說事實上剛剛講這個代碼或是說有民眾利用比如說LINE這樣品牌來傳這種東西的話就要跟LINE去配合這個我們再來目前是沒有目前會保護下一代保護澳大利亞是我們重要的責任這種\n詐騙這種新波靴真的是越來越嚴重這個我們不能接受啊好這個我們再跟平台業者再來討論好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.627 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ID、password就進入系統，而是你必須再經過第三個第二層驗證，例如相關的password或者是簡訊通知再進入系統，這樣會保護你的……"],["李委員昆澤：部長剛才提到的是業者，那公部門的部分我們也要加強公部門的資安管理措施，確保這些相關的保護層級能夠與時俱進來保障民眾的個資，希望數位部要擔起這個責任。"],["黃部長彥男：沒問題。"],["李委員昆澤：另外我們看到數位產業的發展其實非常快速，產業的發展其實也讓這些新型的犯罪型態多樣化而且產生對民眾權益的衝擊，這些多樣的犯罪型態也包含詐騙以及不實的訊息，或是令人更感到憂心的兒少性剝削狀況，我們看到有個知名的遊戲平臺，不肖人士跟這些兒童或是青少年表示會給他相關的圖片或點數等等來詐騙，雖然是幾千塊，但是他會要求小朋友以私密的照片或者是猥褻的影片來造成這些小孩子一輩子永遠的傷害跟陰影！其實這個件數非常多，我看衛福部統計兒少的性剝削案件是逐年地增加，2021年1,848件、2022年2,271件、2023年3,346件，部長，你們有察覺到這個嚴重性嗎？說明一下。"],["黃部長彥男：這方面我們當然一直有在monitor啦，我們有一個可以停止解析的機制，今天針對兒少問題如果是衛福部有送通知給我們，要對某些網站停止解析、限制流量，我們都會處理。事實上過去我們處理類似案件已經處理到六萬多件了，也就是說我們停止解析這種兒少或者是詐騙的網站，不管是經檢調單位或者是衛福部的這種案件我們已經有配合處理，目前大概有處理六萬多件，從去年到現在六萬多件。"],["李委員昆澤：但是增加還是逐年增加！"],["黃部長彥男：對，我們完全就用機制、用技術來配合處理，當然這個的monitor還是在相關部會。"],["李委員昆澤：部長，我們要加強教育宣導啦，而且要強化業者、衛福部以及數位部的多方合作。青少年這個群體不管就數位知識、風險評估或者是安全意識都普遍不足，現在使用手機的小朋友年紀越來越小，父母常常會把手機給小孩，小孩使用3C產品也越來越普遍，我們要針對性的加強教育跟宣導，這個有做嗎？說明一下。"],["黃部長彥男：我們在不同的管道，包括像資訊月還有一些公開的……我們會去做這樣的宣導。"],["李委員昆澤：還是不足啦，這個部分還是不足啦！有那麼多小朋友受騙，我看到某個知名的遊戲平臺就自行封鎖了291個詐騙帳號，表示單單這個遊戲平臺就有超過300名以上的兒少受害者，這種是越來越嚴重耶！要加強宣導。","另外我們要針對社交模式的遊戲業者建立檢舉的管道、建立社群規範及公司內部的安全文化，這個有做嗎？來，說明。"],["黃部長彥男：我們跟那幾個大平臺是有這樣的管道，像LINE或是Facebook，他們也有自己的自律機制，如果是他們自己發現，他們自己會下架；如果是我們發現，我們會叫他下架，這樣的管道是有。當然還需要更多的努力，因為這種也許太多或是有些變化，有時候沒辦法馬上政策出來，但是我們會持續加強監督，然後這些業者在這方面跟我們的配合度也都還算滿高的。"],["李委員昆澤：現在有受害者影片外流的這種憂慮，衛福部有一個性影像處理中心，這部分業者、衛福部以及數位部必須要加強合作，這些外流影像可以轉化成數據的代碼，衛福部的這個性影像處理中心轉化成代碼有它的獨特性，就是所謂的數位指紋，這種數位指紋可以提供代碼給這些合作下架的業者，而且能夠自動偵測、預防這些影像的上傳，這個有沒有做呢？說明一下。"],["林副署長俊秀：我們現在針對AI生成或Deepfake生成的會要求類似浮水印的標記，所以以後大家可以辨識這個是虛偽的。"],["李委員昆澤：這是AI的部分嘛，那我說針對這些被性剝削的兒少，我們不讓他們相關的影像繼續外流，有什麼具體的作為？像這種數位的指紋、數位的代碼會傳給各個業者請他們加強處理嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：這樣的技術我們跟業者再來討論，剛剛講的代碼或是有民眾利用LINE這樣的平臺在傳這種東西的話就要跟LINE配合，這個我們再來跟……這目前是沒有，但目前會再請……"],["李委員昆澤：保護下一代、保護兒少是我們重要的責任，這種詐騙、性剝削真的是越來越嚴重，這個我們不能接受！"],["黃部長彥男：好，這個我們再跟平臺業者討論，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝李昆澤委員","接下來有請何欣純委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":88,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-4","speakers":["魯明哲","林國成","許智傑","林俊憲","林沛祥","李昆澤","何欣純","陳素月","游顥","黃健豪","蔡其昌","魯明哲","邱若華","廖先翔","陳雪生","徐富癸","洪孟楷","李坤城","賴士葆","鍾佳濱","黃國昌","羅智強","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","邱志偉","郭國文","林月琴","陳冠廷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-10-07"],"gazette_id":"1138001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138001_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請數位發展部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心、法務部、\n內政部警政署、內政部警政署刑事警察局、金融監督管理委員會就「我國打詐成效與防制」進行\n專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138001_00001"}}}