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00:03:04,917\n市長,我們也了解其實醫院都會接受醫院評鑑在評鑑的過程裡面未來這會不會是一個可以提供什麼樣的誘因或者是方式來讓我們的醫療院所針對這個檢探的部分節能的部分有一個加分或相關的議題讓醫院在遵循的時候更有誘因或者是有什麼樣的外力可以來協助我們醫療院所面對未來整體的這個檢探的需求\n\n9\n00:03:06,358 --> 00:03:06,378\n謝謝委員,謝謝\n\n10\n00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:30,180\n韓國瑜主席\n\n11\n00:03:45,555 --> 00:04:07,824\n未來我們就在打造健康台灣就會奠定一個良好的基石其實這裡面廢棄物造成的土地污染真的是會讓我們很擔心那也很期待大家共同來維護台灣這塊美麗的土地那我們可以看下一張知道說未來在這個廢棄物的部分這幾年好像還是\n\n12\n00:04:08,882 --> 00:04:09,142\n委員會主席\n\n13\n00:04:33,953 --> 00:04:38,394\n您說會強調增加這個預算發展循環經濟可是我們擔心的是好像我們看到預算書不是這個樣子那這一部分可不可以再進一步說明\n\n14\n00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:19,322\n報告委員因為這個我來之後知道政府預算的編列有一定的期程所以其實在明年的預算其實對於這塊還是跟過去是類似的但是我們的確我在爭取後年的預算裡面我們正在盤點當中那我希望有一個更積極的方式來進行所以我們正在進行當中所以希望後年有\n\n15\n00:05:19,702 --> 00:05:40,734\n那其他的部分我們也會爭取其他民間的資金能夠來投入循環經濟跟淨零的部分所以我們把它視為一起在看待所以我希望用別的方式來解決這個循環經濟的問題因為循環經濟在台灣我們談了很多但是實際上有沒有做出成效我相信大家心裡都有數所以我們希望用別的方法能夠來推動\n\n16\n00:05:41,855 --> 00:05:59,209\n是當然我們很期待這個總預算的這些審查能夠趕快的開始那我們可以看下一張有關於這個災後垃圾處理的部分那剛剛蘇慧雲也提到光電這些造成了影響環境的影響那我們想要瞭解的就是\n\n17\n00:06:01,030 --> 00:06:26,782\n目前我們有一個辦法就是現有的大型混化廠統一掉入辦法裡面如果針對於這種垃圾在短時間裡面大量出現的話那如何透過地方政府跟中央這邊共同來處理我們很希望過去其實有類似的事件出現的話那有沒有類似的經驗可以提供這一次出現這麼大的影響之下\n\n18\n00:06:27,902 --> 00:06:54,491\n可以做參考的部分那我們去了解好像之前很少有這樣的經驗是地方政府覺得他們可以自行處理的非常完整不需要中央來協助調度或者是說有曾經類似的需求而沒有做適當的回應那我們所了解好像沒有這樣的案件那像這一次這麼大的這些風災造成影響部長這邊還有沒有其他可以因應的部分\n\n19\n00:06:55,051 --> 00:07:21,574\n包委員你剛才提到的問題就是說像之前那個調度權是其實它不是一個常態那目前為止其實過去南投有申請過但是南投其實它還有一些掩埋的空間所以我們沒有同意但是我們其實這個事情也要很小心因為我們也害怕說地方過度依賴中央來靠這樣來做調度所以我們非常謹慎小心來做這個事情那目前我們大概都是透過績效考核跟補助的機制讓地方\n\n20\n00:07:23,055 --> 00:07:23,915\n謝謝。再來一些我們看到的部分\n\n21\n00:07:50,422 --> 00:08:18,155\n就已經很多委員都詢問過那我只請教一下針對於颱風以後這個登革熱的防治這邊環境部有沒有更積極的措施跟我們的衛福部這邊來做協助跟協調我們跟衛福部分工是我們是在環境的這個清理跟整潔所以目前因為例如說北部雙北的登革熱有第2期時期了所以我們會加強這個跟地方環保局加強這個清消的工作\n\n22\n00:08:19,538 --> 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