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00:01:28,339\n那尤其是我們國發會針對這個人口的調查裡面每兩年會調查一次以未來50年的這基準來做一個調查那在2023年的時候你們做出來的依據是大概是出生人口大概低估值是14萬但是統計出來是13萬5571人那今年的話也應該要公布了剛剛你特別講到10月16號你就會公布\n\n5\n00:01:36,823 --> 00:02:01,335\n突然這兩個月公布,你是16號開會17號公布嘛那你這為了說要更精準一點更有這個數據可以做交代你要用國際的趨勢來做一個比較那是不是因為前面出來的數字不好看、不美麗所以你要把國際趨勢比如美國啊這方面的拿出來比較來讓你們可以做一個交代呢\n\n6\n00:02:01,963 --> 00:02:19,070\n倒也不是喔主要是我們希望當然的確台灣的情形是的確是相較其他國家比較嚴重但是我們做任何事情都希望多看一下外面的世界的趨勢跟變化譬如說日本是正在日本已經改善了那他們的怎麼改善我都希望同仁去研究\n\n7\n00:02:20,410 --> 00:02:32,937\n第二個事情是我們內部其實也開了兩次會議那上一次是陳時中政委他負責的就把大家都集合下來我們也盤點各部會能做什麼事怎麼再去改善結婚的慾望到生小孩的壓力等等\n\n8\n00:02:37,419 --> 00:03:05,418\n在大概六月份的時候他就有宣布要成立健康臺灣那有任務型的組織編制了委員會那特別是針對少數化部分就有召集人這個陳時中來做召集特別有提到未來每生一胎是一個寶寶可以每個月領三萬塊一直到他上幼稚園為止那這個部分我們主委你是支持這個方案嗎\n\n9\n00:03:06,722 --> 00:03:25,223\n這個方案的細節我並不清楚是但是身為國發會你不清楚對你應該要去自己橫向溝通還有整個整體的配套要看怎麼去研究來讓這個每個月3萬塊就可以鼓勵到年輕人生育這單一的想法3萬塊年輕人就會生嗎\n\n10\n00:03:26,364 --> 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對不對那你一到三年時間又可以展延又再展延你一直讓他組織方便\n342943\t349629\t這張金卡則方便他出入來的工作許可跟居留證而已並備對我們產業實質你應該有所依據來評估他對我們的產業有沒有轉型的幫忙有沒有人才的延攬進來對我們技術各方面的提升這才是重點啦\n358696\t376321\t對我們現在其實更需要是他們留下來不要走所以我們也開始進行檢討那裡面很大的一個是我們的雙語環境不足那他們譬如說眷屬來小孩來念書或者是買菜等等方便性不夠所以我們現在今年也在明年的預算裡面我們也編列一個這個雙語環境的實驗點希望讓這些人進來以後能夠感受到能夠比較能夠更方便的生活願意留下來\n386664\t408764\t主委 這要加強的啦不是說他們的生活不便利我相信我們台灣的生活上應該都是很便利的那尤其是現在我們有個大矽谷計畫這一顧的成效並沒有看到你實質的雖然說在上個禮拜行政院已經審查通過了 核定通過了但是我們看整體來講的話它整體的區域部分\n409833\t435580\t就像他對產業整個大溪谷那個桃竹苗的大溪谷這個計畫在整個包括我們龍潭的地方龍柯山崎也都被規劃進去了就是整個發展會有個產業鏈這產業鏈形成的就是最重要土地的問題那土地的問題的話就會跟我們國土規劃法這個部分會有相關重大的一個牽連性為什麼呢因為國土的功能區分\n436660\t446863\t區分的區域的區分圖還沒有每個縣市沒有送出來在沒有送出來的情形之下你把規劃出來的話萬一它有些的農地被規劃為農醫的話未來是不會隨便更改的是不是我們國發會這邊要來做個橫向的溝通讓整體企業的需求還有我們各地方各縣市對國土法這土地的規劃做一個區域功能性的一個方向才能夠讓我們整體把規劃出來讓我們的產業\n466389\t474439\t財部委員沒有土地的問題我想委員提的這點是非常好如果對產業發展有需求的話我們國安會是願意出來進行協調\n476820\t503451\t因為國土這個分區規劃分區規劃圖這個是很重要所以我們希望我們趕快把這個延緩兩年讓各地方能夠把這個整個計畫重新規劃送出來之後我們整體討論再來實施也跟委員報告我們在國土法裡面我們也找了國科會跟經濟部針對他未來需要科學園區跟產業園區的土地的需求量也做過盤點\n504733\t507968\t對,所以我們要確立土地的規劃的方向,好不好?是的是的,謝謝\n","txt":"稍微來謝謝主席請劉主委請國會劉主委\n各位早一早很多委員都有提到現在我們年輕人對生養小孩的意願都非常的低落尤其是我們台灣少子化這個浪潮是越來越嚴峻尤其在我們台灣從2021年開始就連續43個月出生率低於死亡率尤其在2023年的時候我們生育率更是\n全世界的倒數第一名這個情形的原因很多也很複雜那也不是單一原因但是針對於高房價、高物價以及高工時這工時很高薪資又很低的情形之下育兒成本都是增加的這也是讓我們現在世代的年輕人不敢生養孩子的最重要的一個考量\n那尤其是我們國發會針對這個人口的調查裡面每兩年會調查一次以未來50年的這基準來做一個調查那在2023年的時候你們做出來的依據是大概是出生人口大概低估值是14萬但是統計出來是13萬5571人那今年的話也應該要公布了剛剛你特別講到10月16號你就會公布\n突然這兩個月公布,你是16號開會17號公布嘛那你這為了說要更精準一點更有這個數據可以做交代你要用國際的趨勢來做一個比較那是不是因為前面出來的數字不好看、不美麗所以你要把國際趨勢比如美國啊這方面的拿出來比較來讓你們可以做一個交代呢\n倒也不是喔 主要是我們希望當然的確台灣的情形是的確是相較其他國家比較嚴重但是我們做任何事情都希望多看一下外面的世界的趨勢跟變化譬如說日本是正在日本已經改善了那他們的怎麼改善我都希望同仁去研究\n第二個事情是我們內部其實也開了兩次會議那上一次是陳時中政委他負責的就把大家都集合下來我們也盤點各部會能做什麼事怎麼再去改善結婚的慾望到生小孩的壓力等等\n在大概六月份的時候他就有宣布要成立健康臺灣那有任務型的組織編制了委員會那特別是針對少數化部分就有召集人這個陳時中來做召集特別有提到未來每生一胎是一個寶寶可以每個月領三萬塊一直到他上幼稚園為止那這個部分我們主委你是支持這個方案嗎\n這個方案的細節我並不清楚是但是身為國發會你不清楚對你應該要去自己橫向溝通還有整個整體的配套要看怎麼去研究來讓這個每個月3萬塊就可以鼓勵到年輕人生育這單一的想法3萬塊年輕人就會生嗎\n剛剛特別提到這個高房價、高物價、工時又高、薪資又低的情形國防委沒有配到嗎?沒有檢討的方案嗎?跟您報告,初步只要現在年輕人只要結婚有97%年級會生小孩那重點是結婚率比較偏低所以我們現在是朝不同的方向包括怎麼樣提升結婚率那提升結婚率其實我們也做了調查那目前來講找不到合適對象是一個很大的主要原因\n所以我們現在準備把這些都排列下來我們希望逐步的一個一個去解決先讓結婚的機率變高第二個事情讓生小孩他們的壓力變小考慮的問題全部要好好的研究對配套我們也要研究到日本日本他有一個補助到甚至到高中畢業那這樣的話都可以紓解壓力所以我們希望整體的再來你先考慮到國小這個部分吧\n一步一步來接下來就是說因為少子化的問題會衝擊我們整個我國的產業跟經濟的一個很大的衝擊所以我們國發會為了要來研兩外國的專業人才在各方面的\n不管是居留、工作的許可等等你們發了這個就業的金卡到今年為止八月份的統計你們是發出了一萬一千零一十七張但是只有三千三百五十二個留在臺灣不到三分之一的情形所以本席想請問國發會你們有什麼依據去評估他們這些對我們我國的延攬\n國外人才跟我們產業的轉型有什麼配套上瞭解上他對我們國家的貢獻有沒有跟委員說明一下能夠拿到金卡的人代表他的月薪要有16萬以上是比較屬於尖端人才那第二個部分是這裡面有很多的是創業者所以他本身本來就會來來去去那我們提供的是他來台創業然後的方便性\n所以你評估他對我們國家的這個產業跟原產人才有什麼貢獻這才是重點啦不是他拿金卡16萬他是一個老闆基本上他就有16萬啦 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