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00:01:05,976\n因為我們知道事實上現在在國內在基層民眾對於這個詐騙的這個氾濫真的是深惡痛絕那我們也看到我們就是警政署的一個統計的一個數字這個詐騙的這個數字真的是也一直在增加當中所以就是說如何有效的來防止這個詐騙真的非常的重要那我發現說我們在內政部警政署165全民防騙網\n\n4\n00:01:07,757 --> 00:01:22,245\n是這個網頁嗎我是從這網頁看到我們目前有一個新的這個就是資訊就是打詐以表板這樣子的一個資訊的揭露我想先請教一下副署長用意是什麼有什麼作用\n\n5\n00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:45,208\n謝謝委員我們警政署公布的打詐儀表版最主要就是說讓全民知道說每一天目前詐騙案件的件數還有損失的金額那我們透過這樣透明化就表示說我們希望用負責的態度來分析每一件發生的這個類型\n\n6\n00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:51,472\n是,是你們的目的,可是你覺得說這樣子資訊揭露有用嗎?有發揮什麼作用嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:04,468 --> 00:02:25,959\n那當然啦,因為我們除了公布這個儀表版以外,我們就是透過我們內政部主管的市詐的部分,把這個推播給各警察機關當作素材,希望能夠加強的宣導,讓民眾知道說目前的詐騙犯罪的方式,進而自己提高警戒。\n\n8\n00:02:26,952 --> 00:02:47,200\n是,就是說就我來看啊,或者是說我覺得說一般民眾如果看到這樣子的一個資訊啊,我覺得一點就是都無感啊,我覺得沒有什麼意義啊。因為看到這麼多的詐騙的數字,我覺得說只是會讓民眾更加的覺得說我們政府打詐不利、防詐不利。\n\n9\n00:02:49,201 --> 00:03:17,113\n但是以我們從這個8月29號開始公布儀表版以來從原來的每一天600多件金額損失4億多元到現在為止到10月4號我現在手邊的資料10月4號現在是490幾件損失金額2億多元所以從原來的五六百件然後這個4億多元\n\n10\n00:03:19,014 --> 00:03:46,487\n我們現在以現在來看好像有下降的趨勢就是說從四五六百件到現在大概三四百件當然就是副署長在這邊講我們才知道可是你們的這個網頁的一個資訊的揭露這個部分卻沒有特別的去強調我覺得這就是非常可惜的地方應該你們要把因為我看了你們的這個整個網站的一個資訊裡面\n\n11\n00:03:47,828 --> 00:03:48,128\n打詐成效數據\n\n12\n00:04:02,668 --> 00:04:28,997\n我覺得這部分才是最重要的嘛你應該要讓民眾知道我們政府到底做了多少事情包括你在這邊這個成效數據裡面有提到查獲的集團有293件然後有多少人嗎2621人然後查扣不罰所得還有攬主的金額高達15億然後這些等等我覺得這個才是重要的嘛那你只是去揭露說\n\n13\n00:04:29,797 --> 00:04:29,817\n來黃部長\n\n14\n00:04:57,858 --> 00:05:19,154\n其實在整個剛剛就是說警政署他們揭露的這個資訊裡面詐騙第一名就是假投資詐騙這個真的是這個件數最多而且損失金額也是最高的那我看最近就是我們警政署他們也做了一個表都是在加強宣導那事實上在地方我們也\n\n15\n00:05:19,594 --> 00:05:19,634\n陳素月議員\n\n16\n00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:49,432\n我們警察同仁也是在提醒大家就是說這個投資詐騙的一個流程希望提醒民眾怎樣去防止這個就是被詐騙上當那本席在這邊舉一個很實際的一個例子就是我曾經受理過的一個投資詐騙的一個案例\n\n17\n00:05:52,774 --> 00:06:14,966\n那這個表真的就是呈現了這樣子的一個過程可是沒有真正去上當過的或者是一般人根本不知道這個流程到底有隱藏什麼樣的一個危機那之前在大概今年3月初的時候就是我地方有一個選民他也是真的就是透過網路看到了這個謝金河的一個網頁\n\n18\n00:06:15,486 --> 00:06:18,267\n陳素月介紹投資理財﹑加了LINE好友﹑自稱秘書的小姐聯繫﹑叫她開投資帳號和戶頭﹑介紹了投資理財教授﹑帶她\n\n19\n00:06:39,071 --> 00:06:39,511\n陳素月委員．陳素月\n\n20\n00:07:08,593 --> 00:07:08,713\n﹚陳素月\n\n21\n00:07:29,739 --> 00:07:53,571\n要幫他圈購股票然後後來通知說他有買到了一家這個股票就是大概63張然後要600多萬然後要他再去就是投入這個錢然後他那時候人在國外他就覺得說因為他帳戶裡面後來他的獲利被告知說應該已經有達到2000萬左右了他就覺得說那以他帳戶的錢去付這個600多萬是夠的\n\n22\n00:07:56,212 --> 00:08:12,143\n可是對方一直跟他說不行一定要他拿現金去他才覺得說好像有一點有點好像是詐騙的那種感覺所以才來找我所以後來我們幫他釐清了之後這個確定就是一個詐騙的一個一個流程一個詐騙集團\n\n23\n00:08:13,524 --> 00:08:28,502\n所以我們覺得說但後面還有一個部分就是說他那時候一直對方催他要去付那個錢的時候他跟他說他沒那麼多現金然後他也跟他說他可以用不動產去抵押所以他也就拿了一塊地要去融資\n\n24\n00:08:29,923 --> 00:08:49,772\n後來因為就是說投資的人跟那個土地的名字不同人所以對方說不行所以就這樣子他那個地還好就沒有去融資所以我要講的是說在這樣子一個流程裡面其實涉及的很多的一個環節就是第一個當然就是這個投資的網頁就是涉及到我們速發部\n\n25\n00:08:51,253 --> 00:08:51,513\n陳素月議員\n\n26\n00:09:26,366 --> 00:09:42,936\n報告委員我們的確這是一個大問題像委員這張圖所講的那個百分之九十幾是來自Metal就是Facebook的廣告那假名是一個大宗所以我們520之後我們上任就針對這個有開始在積極處理包括跟Facebook我們喝了好幾次咖啡\n\n27\n00:09:43,476 --> 00:10:12,002\n那當然就是說現在我們有AI去掃描整個整個的網頁看到這種類似假名人我們就通告臉書下架那目前的成效當然還不是很完整就是說因為我們等到打詐狀況通過之後會有所謂的要求所謂KYC就是實名制啦這時候會把那個假名人廣告完全杜絕不過在這之前利用我們這樣的AI技術我們可以掃描目前已經從過去大概一個月4萬多個假名人廣告現在下降到不到1萬\n\n28\n00:10:12,802 --> 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黃部長\n297858\t319154\t其實在整個剛剛就是說警政署他們揭露的這個資訊裡面詐騙第一名就是假投資詐騙這個真的是這個件數最多而且損失金額也是最高的那我看最近就是我們警政署他們也做了一個表都是在加強宣導那事實上在地方我們也\n319594\t319634\t陳素月議員\n334540\t349432\t我們警察同仁也是在提醒大家就是說這個投資詐騙的一個流程希望提醒民眾怎樣去防止這個就是被詐騙上當那本席在這邊舉一個很實際的一個例子就是我曾經受理過的一個投資詐騙的一個案例\n352774\t374966\t那這個表真的就是呈現了這樣子的一個過程可是沒有真正去上當過的或者是一般人根本不知道這個流程到底有隱藏什麼樣的一個危機那之前在大概今年3月初的時候就是我地方有一個選民他也是真的就是透過網路看到了這個謝金河的一個網頁\n375486\t378267\t陳素月介紹投資理財﹑加了LINE好友﹑自稱秘書的小姐聯繫﹑叫她開投資帳號和戶頭﹑介紹了投資理財教授﹑帶她\n399071\t399511\t陳素月委員．陳素月\n428593\t428713\t﹚陳素月\n449739\t473571\t要幫他圈購股票然後後來通知說他有買到了一家這個股票就是大概63張然後要600多萬然後要他再去就是投入這個錢然後他那時候人在國外他就覺得說因為他帳戶裡面後來他的獲利被告知說應該已經有達到2000萬左右了他就覺得說那以他帳戶的錢去付這個600多萬是夠的\n476212\t492143\t可是對方一直跟他說不行一定要他拿現金去他才覺得說好像有一點有點好像是詐騙的那種感覺所以才來找我所以後來我們幫他釐清了之後這個確定就是一個詐騙的一個一個流程一個詐騙集團\n493524\t508502\t所以我們覺得說但後面還有一個部分就是說他那時候一直對方催他要去付那個錢的時候他跟他說他沒那麼多現金然後他也跟他說他可以用不動產去抵押所以他也就拿了一塊地要去融資\n509923\t529772\t後來因為就是說投資的人跟那個土地的名字不同人所以對方說不行所以就這樣子他那個地還好就沒有去融資所以我要講的是說在這樣子一個流程裡面其實涉及的很多的一個環節就是第一個當然就是這個投資的網頁就是涉及到我們速發部\n531253\t531513\t陳素月議員\n566366\t582936\t報告委員 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包括跟Facebook我們喝了好幾次咖啡\n583476\t612002\t那當然就是說現在我們有AI去掃描整個整個的網頁看到這種類似假名人我們就通告臉書下架那目前的成效當然還不是很完整就是說因為我們等到打詐狀況通過之後會有所謂的要求所謂KYC就是實名制啦這時候會把那個假名人廣告完全杜絕不過在這之前利用我們這樣的AI技術我們可以掃描目前已經從過去大概一個月4萬多個假名人廣告現在下降到不到1萬\n612802\t628924\t但是還是有還是有但是他有很多變化但是我相信這個東西在我們在打詐裝法的打詐執法開始實施之後應該可以幾乎完全杜絕那當然這個這個是一個大問題我們希望從法規從技術面去把它完全解決\n630563\t642471\t我剛舉的這個例子也符合我們警政署做出來的圖卡流程事實上就是這樣子一個模式所以在這樣一個過程裡面當然就涉及到假投資詐騙的網頁那有包括假投資公司的一個下架這是我們訴發部的一個業務\n649056\t650538\t實現關係可能今天沒有辦法做一個詳細的詢問我們也希望在這樣的過程裡面事實上\n665717\t690294\t投資這個詐騙或者是說其他類型的一個詐騙案我們是希望就是說各部會要緊密的合作那我們當然在這邊再次肯定這個警政署、警察同仁的用心那希望在這個各個環節裡面我們可以就是更加的密切的配合然後做得更好讓我們的詐騙案件能夠破獲的件數就是更多然後讓我們國人對我們打詐的成效有信心這樣\n694758\t695258\t陳素月召委\n","txt":"警政署副署長李副署長\n副署長早安本委會今天是針對這個打詐成效跟防制做這個專題的報告那所以本席在這邊就先針對這個打詐的成效這個部分來瞭解\n因為我們知道事實上現在在國內在基層民眾對於這個詐騙的這個氾濫真的是深惡痛絕那我們也看到我們就是警政署的一個統計的一個數字這個詐騙的這個數字真的是也一直在增加當中所以就是說如何有效的來防止這個詐騙真的非常的重要那我發現說我們在內政部警政署165全民防騙網\n是這個網頁嗎我是從這網頁看到我們目前有一個新的這個就是資訊就是打詐以表板這樣子的一個資訊的揭露我想先請教一下副署長用意是什麼有什麼作用\n謝謝委員我們警政署公布的打詐儀表版最主要就是說讓全民知道說每一天目前詐騙案件的件數還有損失的金額那我們透過這樣透明化就表示說我們希望用負責的態度來分析每一件發生的這個類型\n是,是你們的目的,可是你覺得說這樣子資訊揭露有用嗎?有發揮什麼作用嗎?\n那當然啦,因為我們除了公布這個儀表版以外,我們就是透過我們內政部主管的市詐的部分,把這個推播給各警察機關當作素材,希望能夠加強的宣導,讓民眾知道說目前的詐騙犯罪的方式,進而自己提高警戒。\n是,就是說就我來看啊,或者是說我覺得說一般民眾如果看到這樣子的一個資訊啊,我覺得一點就是都無感啊,我覺得沒有什麼意義啊。因為看到這麼多的詐騙的數字,我覺得說只是會讓民眾更加的覺得說我們政府打詐不利、防詐不利。\n但是以我們從這個8月29號開始公布儀表版以來從原來的每一天600多件金額損失4億多元到現在為止到10月4號我現在手邊的資料10月4號現在是490幾件損失金額2億多元所以從原來的五六百件然後這個4億多元\n我們現在以現在來看好像有下降的趨勢就是說從四五六百件到現在大概三四百件當然就是副署長在這邊講我們才知道可是你們的這個網頁的一個資訊的揭露這個部分卻沒有特別的去強調我覺得這就是非常可惜的地方應該你們要把因為我看了你們的這個整個網站的一個資訊裡面\n打詐成效數據\n我覺得這部分才是最重要的嘛你應該要讓民眾知道我們政府到底做了多少事情包括你在這邊這個成效數據裡面有提到查獲的集團有293件然後有多少人嗎2621人然後查扣不罰所得還有攬主的金額高達15億然後這些等等我覺得這個才是重要的嘛那你只是去揭露說\n來 黃部長\n其實在整個剛剛就是說警政署他們揭露的這個資訊裡面詐騙第一名就是假投資詐騙這個真的是這個件數最多而且損失金額也是最高的那我看最近就是我們警政署他們也做了一個表都是在加強宣導那事實上在地方我們也\n陳素月議員\n我們警察同仁也是在提醒大家就是說這個投資詐騙的一個流程希望提醒民眾怎樣去防止這個就是被詐騙上當那本席在這邊舉一個很實際的一個例子就是我曾經受理過的一個投資詐騙的一個案例\n那這個表真的就是呈現了這樣子的一個過程可是沒有真正去上當過的或者是一般人根本不知道這個流程到底有隱藏什麼樣的一個危機那之前在大概今年3月初的時候就是我地方有一個選民他也是真的就是透過網路看到了這個謝金河的一個網頁\n陳素月介紹投資理財﹑加了LINE好友﹑自稱秘書的小姐聯繫﹑叫她開投資帳號和戶頭﹑介紹了投資理財教授﹑帶她\n陳素月委員．陳素月\n﹚陳素月\n要幫他圈購股票然後後來通知說他有買到了一家這個股票就是大概63張然後要600多萬然後要他再去就是投入這個錢然後他那時候人在國外他就覺得說因為他帳戶裡面後來他的獲利被告知說應該已經有達到2000萬左右了他就覺得說那以他帳戶的錢去付這個600多萬是夠的\n可是對方一直跟他說不行一定要他拿現金去他才覺得說好像有一點有點好像是詐騙的那種感覺所以才來找我所以後來我們幫他釐清了之後這個確定就是一個詐騙的一個一個流程一個詐騙集團\n所以我們覺得說但後面還有一個部分就是說他那時候一直對方催他要去付那個錢的時候他跟他說他沒那麼多現金然後他也跟他說他可以用不動產去抵押所以他也就拿了一塊地要去融資\n後來因為就是說投資的人跟那個土地的名字不同人所以對方說不行所以就這樣子他那個地還好就沒有去融資所以我要講的是說在這樣子一個流程裡面其實涉及的很多的一個環節就是第一個當然就是這個投資的網頁就是涉及到我們速發部\n陳素月議員\n報告委員 我們的確這是一個大問題 像委員這張圖所講的那個百分之九十幾是來自Metal就是Facebook的廣告 那假名是一個大宗所以我們520之後我們上任就針對這個有開始在積極處理 包括跟Facebook我們喝了好幾次咖啡\n那當然就是說現在我們有AI去掃描整個整個的網頁看到這種類似假名人我們就通告臉書下架那目前的成效當然還不是很完整就是說因為我們等到打詐狀況通過之後會有所謂的要求所謂KYC就是實名制啦這時候會把那個假名人廣告完全杜絕不過在這之前利用我們這樣的AI技術我們可以掃描目前已經從過去大概一個月4萬多個假名人廣告現在下降到不到1萬\n但是還是有還是有但是他有很多變化但是我相信這個東西在我們在打詐裝法的打詐執法開始實施之後應該可以幾乎完全杜絕那當然這個這個是一個大問題我們希望從法規從技術面去把它完全解決\n我剛舉的這個例子也符合我們警政署做出來的圖卡流程事實上就是這樣子一個模式所以在這樣一個過程裡面當然就涉及到假投資詐騙的網頁那有包括假投資公司的一個下架這是我們訴發部的一個業務\n實現關係可能今天沒有辦法做一個詳細的詢問我們也希望在這樣的過程裡面事實上\n投資這個詐騙或者是說其他類型的一個詐騙案我們是希望就是說各部會要緊密的合作那我們當然在這邊再次肯定這個警政署、警察同仁的用心那希望在這個各個環節裡面我們可以就是更加的密切的配合然後做得更好讓我們的詐騙案件能夠破獲的件數就是更多然後讓我們國人對我們打詐的成效有信心這樣\n陳素月召委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.406 --> 00:04.149\n警政署副署長李副署長\n\n00:23.326 --> 00:37.425\n副署長早安本委會今天是針對這個打詐成效跟防制做這個專題的報告那所以本席在這邊就先針對這個打詐的成效這個部分來瞭解\n\n00:38.126 --> 01:05.976\n因為我們知道事實上現在在國內在基層民眾對於這個詐騙的這個氾濫真的是深惡痛絕那我們也看到我們就是警政署的一個統計的一個數字這個詐騙的這個數字真的是也一直在增加當中所以就是說如何有效的來防止這個詐騙真的非常的重要那我發現說我們在內政部警政署165全民防騙網\n\n01:07.757 --> 01:22.245\n是這個網頁嗎我是從這網頁看到我們目前有一個新的這個就是資訊就是打詐以表板這樣子的一個資訊的揭露我想先請教一下副署長用意是什麼有什麼作用\n\n01:23.170 --> 01:45.208\n謝謝委員我們警政署公布的打詐儀表版最主要就是說讓全民知道說每一天目前詐騙案件的件數還有損失的金額那我們透過這樣透明化就表示說我們希望用負責的態度來分析每一件發生的這個類型\n\n01:47.210 --> 01:51.472\n是,是你們的目的,可是你覺得說這樣子資訊揭露有用嗎?有發揮什麼作用嗎?\n\n02:04.468 --> 02:25.959\n那當然啦,因為我們除了公布這個儀表版以外,我們就是透過我們內政部主管的市詐的部分,把這個推播給各警察機關當作素材,希望能夠加強的宣導,讓民眾知道說目前的詐騙犯罪的方式,進而自己提高警戒。\n\n02:26.952 --> 02:47.200\n是,就是說就我來看啊,或者是說我覺得說一般民眾如果看到這樣子的一個資訊啊,我覺得一點就是都無感啊,我覺得沒有什麼意義啊。因為看到這麼多的詐騙的數字,我覺得說只是會讓民眾更加的覺得說我們政府打詐不利、防詐不利。\n\n02:49.201 --> 03:17.113\n但是以我們從這個8月29號開始公布儀表版以來從原來的每一天600多件金額損失4億多元到現在為止到10月4號我現在手邊的資料10月4號現在是490幾件損失金額2億多元所以從原來的五六百件然後這個4億多元\n\n03:19.014 --> 03:46.487\n我們現在以現在來看好像有下降的趨勢就是說從四五六百件到現在大概三四百件當然就是副署長在這邊講我們才知道可是你們的這個網頁的一個資訊的揭露這個部分卻沒有特別的去強調我覺得這就是非常可惜的地方應該你們要把因為我看了你們的這個整個網站的一個資訊裡面\n\n03:47.828 --> 03:48.128\n打詐成效數據\n\n04:02.668 --> 04:28.997\n我覺得這部分才是最重要的嘛你應該要讓民眾知道我們政府到底做了多少事情包括你在這邊這個成效數據裡面有提到查獲的集團有293件然後有多少人嗎2621人然後查扣不罰所得還有攬主的金額高達15億然後這些等等我覺得這個才是重要的嘛那你只是去揭露說\n\n04:29.797 --> 04:29.817\n來黃部長\n\n04:57.858 --> 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