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00:01:49,889\n你是國外國家發展委員會行政院現在又成立一個經濟發展委員會國家發展委員會以前把研考會放進來你現在叫做經濟發展委員會到底是行政院更大還是你國家發展委員會更大還是國家發展委員會更大你這樣聽我的意思嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:58,220 --> 00:02:11,411\n但是這本來就是因為我們是歸行政院管轄對啦對啦你不好意思說我今天聽你說你要叫行政院他不是正式的機關要叫他加一個執行機構\n\n7\n00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:26,065\n第二個,他跌船下屋,他是違章見識。我們要做一個企業,要做一個計畫,應該把你國科,不是,你國安會所有的計畫,請他們來討論,給你做參考。\n\n8\n00:02:29,446 --> 00:02:54,691\n但是我現在看到行政院所請的經濟委員會都是大公司下學者你們是他們我會為他們產業強化所以不能怪他們但是你國家發展是一個森林他們是裡面的一棵樹啊所以那個行政院沒有經驗要是我當院長我說來把我國會的所有計畫全部提出來\n\n9\n00:02:55,951 --> 00:03:13,412\n你們來研討有什麼要補充有什麼要改進有什麼要加強的地方我曉得你不敢講我聽你講也傳給行政院講不要把方法方向搞錯了不然你會很亂啊那些人你也得罪不起啊\n\n10\n00:03:14,033 --> 00:03:30,503\n我是老實人講,老實話不會亂啦,現在真的是就是像你一樣大家給意見之後,然後院長支持我們往下走那你經濟發展委員會,裡面有經濟創新,有經營台灣你要是包容成長,我什麼叫做經濟發展委員會\n\n11\n00:03:34,145 --> 00:03:52,120\n出來一個包容成長我不知道你給我介紹一下因為我時間有限我要問你很多問題包容成長他們主要是在談平衡性就是包括青年所得等等這些事情這中小企業的發展因為我們中小企業在台灣的比重比較大這個方面的問題這個又特別去落地所以這裡面已經有協視這件報案說參加的委員都為他們的產業來講話\n\n12\n00:04:04,096 --> 00:04:19,339\n我覺得不對你應該把你的創新思維你的施政方針、投資人才、跨域合作還有開放政府給他們去討論給你做參考你是決定的人\n\n13\n00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:23,903\n根委員報告我參加的均衡臺灣的均衡發展組沒有人會為自己去提大家都是針對議題包括我們在談的是奶財的問題跟區發展\n\n14\n00:04:39,106 --> 00:04:56,053\n講到政府發展,我要給你挨個資料你說你今年的公共建設是2405億包括前瞻計畫450億所以達到這一公共,今年的公共建設有3000億你說裡面有266項各部會\n\n15\n00:05:02,654 --> 00:05:25,148\n吼,這幾位大,你能提供給我們266項我們知道各部會應價值應的事情才能去那個均衡臺灣每一個地方能平均的發展這些都在我們送院的預算書裡面我曉得預算書太多了啦你們要解列出來能不能把266項做一個給我們經濟委員參考多久的時間給你兩個禮拜\n\n16\n00:05:33,835 --> 00:05:58,773\n二分部會今天有一個重頭戲就是中小企業跟服務業那你們也曉得中小企業跟服務業他在我們生產滿個GDP的62%就會人口會達到六成但是在這經濟部怎麼講我把那個合的合\n\n17\n00:06:01,456 --> 00:06:07,119\n經濟部的以前中小企業合資長身為政府次長,這樣說就很大,但是你們在笑我看沒什麼,你們裡面有說什麼那個\n\n18\n00:06:14,875 --> 00:06:38,864\n那個進行台灣來電施惠效率化、作業效率化、資本效率化敢這樣寫下去我們什麼都沒有在台上所以以後我在地方辦中小企業還是服務業的服務你們要下來指導一下這三個名稱很響亮但是我不曉得內容在哪裡可以幫我們知道可以曉得你們國會\n\n19\n00:06:40,365 --> 00:06:55,394\n你經濟部在服務中小企業這三個是你們只要的方向要怎麼做?要告訴我們嗎?所以你們在說,我們下面的人都不知道啦!包括立委都不清楚你們這要怎麼做有沒有比較具體化\n\n20\n00:06:57,811 --> 00:07:22,837\n跟委員說明以工具機產業來講它大部分的企業都營收年營收都在10億上下比較多那這些企業它在打國際盃的時候現在是很難跟大的企業去競爭所以受到很大的壓力所以我們就會協助他們成立控股公司的概念把它集結成一個大型公司為什麼你這個報告寫得很好我要很尊崇地稱讚你\n\n21\n00:07:24,098 --> 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