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00:02:35,055\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案案件問題的關鍵在於說一旦標準不一致的時候因為剛剛部長也講殯葬是零幣設施當你的標準不一致的時候他會不會有些人跑來跨縣市跑去那個因為我這邊優惠比較好然後我的戶籍簽過去我就享有這邊的優惠等等然後反而造成了該地居民的負擔\n\n9\n00:02:35,896 --> 00:02:37,037\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n\n10\n00:02:52,188 --> 00:02:54,650\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n11\n00:03:22,408 --> 00:03:32,130\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n\n12\n00:03:51,414 --> 00:04:03,305\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n\n13\n00:04:18,046 --> 00:04:32,073\n一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第20次全體委員會第20次全\n\n14\n00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:45,062\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n\n15\n00:05:03,248 --> 00:05:06,170\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:這樣是不是才是根本的解決問題?\n\n16\n00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:28,341\n那就不是只有殯葬管理條例可以單獨實施的。但是總是要討論嘛,對不對?所以我們希望說透過這樣的一個修法,第一個把標準起因,第二個不要造成各地靈異設施的這種不平衡的狀況出現。第三,如果有這個好的機制的設計,其他的社會救助的相關輔助,它在傷障比例降低,其他生活補助比例就拉高了嘛。這樣就是照顧真正的甘苦人啦。\n\n17\n00:05:28,661 --> 00:05:41,552\n二十一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第2次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全\n\n18\n00:05:45,735 --> 00:05:50,977\n一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n\n19\n00:06:10,345 --> 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00:08:51,639\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第20次\n\n26\n00:08:55,629 --> 00:09:14,829\n因為我這塊地被公保地框限之後我沒有辦法做合理的使用然後我最後只能企圖用解編用別的方式來取得地主應該有的相關的一些利益好這個這樣子的概念的副作用是什麼公共設施變少了嘛城市成長人口越來越多結果公園也解掉了學校也解掉了\n\n27\n00:09:15,029 --> 00:09:25,561\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第\n\n28\n00:09:33,310 --> 00:09:48,579\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:但是我也認同很多提案委員的想法我取得土地我不見得有相關預算來做開闢所以是不是在審酌地方政府的困難之後也許用部分比例的方式也可以讓他做建設或什麼的\n\n29\n00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:50,781\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案\n\n30\n00:10:19,940 --> 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»:\n58567\t72924\t三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n78390\t97883\t三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n100245\t102767\t一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案\n118012\t120633\t三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文\n139616\t155055\t二十一條之一條文修正草案案案件問題的關鍵在於說一旦標準不一致的時候因為剛剛部長也講殯葬是零幣設施當你的標準不一致的時候他會不會有些人跑來跨縣市跑去那個因為我這邊優惠比較好然後我的戶籍簽過去我就享有這邊的優惠等等然後反而造成了該地居民的負擔\n155896\t157037\t一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n172188\t174650\t三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n202408\t212130\t三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n231414\t243305\t三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n258046\t272073\t一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第20次全體委員會第20次全\n278080\t285062\t三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n303248\t306170\t三條之一條文修正草案案。 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這樣是不是才是根本的解決問題?\n306170\t328341\t那就不是只有殯葬管理條例可以單獨實施的。但是總是要討論嘛,對不對?所以我們希望說透過這樣的一個修法,第一個把標準起因,第二個不要造成各地靈異設施的這種不平衡的狀況出現。第三,如果有這個好的機制的設計,其他的社會救助的相關輔助,它在傷障比例降低,其他生活補助比例就拉高了嘛。這樣就是照顧真正的甘苦人啦。\n328661\t341552\t二十一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第2次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全\n345735\t350977\t一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n370345\t379451\t一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次\n392620\t420533\t一條之一條是否大部分縣市政府提出來的問題都是財政的壓力其實是嘛那我現在只問一個問題嘛中央願不願透過這次修法一個檢討的契機也在財政的部分給予地方縣市政府一定的支持現在的修法的條文呢我想還不夠能夠滿足我們現在所說在財政收支劃分上面的問題那要不要在討論的過程中也思考配套的措施那就要納入社會救助法好納入配套的措施部長你應該不反對這樣的做法對不對只是說我們希望更多的配套讓它制度的到位是完整的\n420953\t423415\t三條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員\n445376\t445916\t二條之一條文修正草案案\n467618\t470820\t三條文修正草案案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件\n494096\t506683\t三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草\n519591\t531639\t三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第20次\n535629\t554829\t因為我這塊地被公保地框限之後我沒有辦法做合理的使用然後我最後只能企圖用解編用別的方式來取得地主應該有的相關的一些利益好這個這樣子的概念的副作用是什麼公共設施變少了嘛城市成長人口越來越多結果公園也解掉了學校也解掉了\n555029\t565561\t三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第\n573310\t588579\t三條之一條文修正草案案。 »:但是我也認同很多提案委員的想法我取得土地我不見得有相關預算來做開闢所以是不是在審酌地方政府的困難之後也許用部分比例的方式也可以讓他做建設或什麼的\n589940\t590781\t二十一條之一條文修正草案案\n619940\t620690\t一條文修正草案 案。\n","txt":"三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十\n三條之一條文修正草案案案件。 »:\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案案件問題的關鍵在於說一旦標準不一致的時候因為剛剛部長也講殯葬是零幣設施當你的標準不一致的時候他會不會有些人跑來跨縣市跑去那個因為我這邊優惠比較好然後我的戶籍簽過去我就享有這邊的優惠等等然後反而造成了該地居民的負擔\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第20次全體委員會第20次全\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n三條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 這樣是不是才是根本的解決問題?\n那就不是只有殯葬管理條例可以單獨實施的。但是總是要討論嘛,對不對?所以我們希望說透過這樣的一個修法,第一個把標準起因,第二個不要造成各地靈異設施的這種不平衡的狀況出現。第三,如果有這個好的機制的設計,其他的社會救助的相關輔助,它在傷障比例降低,其他生活補助比例就拉高了嘛。這樣就是照顧真正的甘苦人啦。\n二十一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第2次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全\n一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次\n一條之一條是否大部分縣市政府提出來的問題都是財政的壓力其實是嘛那我現在只問一個問題嘛中央願不願透過這次修法一個檢討的契機也在財政的部分給予地方縣市政府一定的支持現在的修法的條文呢我想還不夠能夠滿足我們現在所說在財政收支劃分上面的問題那要不要在討論的過程中也思考配套的措施那就要納入社會救助法好納入配套的措施部長你應該不反對這樣的做法對不對只是說我們希望更多的配套讓它制度的到位是完整的\n三條之一條文修正草案案。 »: 審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員\n二條之一條文修正草案案\n三條文修正草案案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第20次\n因為我這塊地被公保地框限之後我沒有辦法做合理的使用然後我最後只能企圖用解編用別的方式來取得地主應該有的相關的一些利益好這個這樣子的概念的副作用是什麼公共設施變少了嘛城市成長人口越來越多結果公園也解掉了學校也解掉了\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第\n三條之一條文修正草案案。 »:但是我也認同很多提案委員的想法我取得土地我不見得有相關預算來做開闢所以是不是在審酌地方政府的困難之後也許用部分比例的方式也可以讓他做建設或什麼的\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案\n一條文修正草案 案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:18.078\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n\n00:27.642 --> 00:31.469\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十\n\n00:40.900 --> 00:42.863\n三條之一條文修正草案案案件。»:\n\n00:58.567 --> 01:12.924\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n01:18.390 --> 01:37.883\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n\n01:40.245 --> 01:42.767\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案\n\n01:58.012 --> 02:00.633\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文\n\n02:19.616 --> 02:35.055\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案案件問題的關鍵在於說一旦標準不一致的時候因為剛剛部長也講殯葬是零幣設施當你的標準不一致的時候他會不會有些人跑來跨縣市跑去那個因為我這邊優惠比較好然後我的戶籍簽過去我就享有這邊的優惠等等然後反而造成了該地居民的負擔\n\n02:35.896 --> 02:37.037\n一條文修正草案．一條文修正草案．一條\n\n02:52.188 --> 02:54.650\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n03:22.408 --> 03:32.130\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n\n03:51.414 --> 04:03.305\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n\n04:18.046 --> 04:32.073\n一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第20次全體委員會第20次全\n\n04:38.080 --> 04:45.062\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n\n05:03.248 --> 05:06.170\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:這樣是不是才是根本的解決問題?\n\n05:06.170 --> 05:28.341\n那就不是只有殯葬管理條例可以單獨實施的。但是總是要討論嘛,對不對?所以我們希望說透過這樣的一個修法,第一個把標準起因,第二個不要造成各地靈異設施的這種不平衡的狀況出現。第三,如果有這個好的機制的設計,其他的社會救助的相關輔助,它在傷障比例降低,其他生活補助比例就拉高了嘛。這樣就是照顧真正的甘苦人啦。\n\n05:28.661 --> 05:41.552\n二十一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第2次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全\n\n05:45.735 --> 05:50.977\n一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文\n\n06:10.345 --> 06:19.451\n一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次\n\n06:32.620 --> 07:00.533\n一條之一條是否大部分縣市政府提出來的問題都是財政的壓力其實是嘛那我現在只問一個問題嘛中央願不願透過這次修法一個檢討的契機也在財政的部分給予地方縣市政府一定的支持現在的修法的條文呢我想還不夠能夠滿足我們現在所說在財政收支劃分上面的問題那要不要在討論的過程中也思考配套的措施那就要納入社會救助法好納入配套的措施部長你應該不反對這樣的做法對不對只是說我們希望更多的配套讓它制度的到位是完整的\n\n07:00.953 --> 07:03.415\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員審查委員\n\n07:25.376 --> 07:25.916\n二條之一條文修正草案案\n\n07:47.618 --> 07:50.820\n三條文修正草案案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件,其中一條文修正草案案件\n\n08:14.096 --> 08:26.683\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草\n\n08:39.591 --> 08:51.639\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第20次\n\n08:55.629 --> 09:14.829\n因為我這塊地被公保地框限之後我沒有辦法做合理的使用然後我最後只能企圖用解編用別的方式來取得地主應該有的相關的一些利益好這個這樣子的概念的副作用是什麼公共設施變少了嘛城市成長人口越來越多結果公園也解掉了學校也解掉了\n\n09:15.029 --> 09:25.561\n三條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會第4次全體委員會第5次全體委員會第6次全體委員會第7次全體委員會第8次全體委員會第9次全體委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第\n\n09:33.310 --> 09:48.579\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:但是我也認同很多提案委員的想法我取得土地我不見得有相關預算來做開闢所以是不是在審酌地方政府的困難之後也許用部分比例的方式也可以讓他做建設或什麼的\n\n09:49.940 --> 09:50.781\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案\n\n10:19.940 --> 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Tahovecahe等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。\n【詢答及處理；「本案歡迎各直轄市及縣(市)政府提供書面意見」】\n\n二、都市計畫法：\n(一)審查委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(二)審查委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(三)審查委員黃健豪等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(四)審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(五)審查委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(六)審查委員林沛祥等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(七)審查委員廖先翔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第十九條及第八十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(八)審查委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n【本案僅詢答】）","id":155160,"gazette":{"lineno":580,"blocks":[["牛委員煦庭：（11時14分）好，謝謝主席。內政部長有請。"],["主席：好，請部長。"],["劉部長世芳：牛委員好。"],["牛委員煦庭：部長早安。今天兩個事情其實都來自地方政府一些實務上執行政策的需求，我們就做一下大體的討論。第一個是有關殯葬條例的部分，剛剛我聽了前面很多委員的詢答，內政部顯然跟地方政府有做過很多先期的溝通，那我就問一下，現在各縣市對於中低收入戶及特殊境遇之人的殯葬相關優惠，你們有沒有彙整？"],["劉部長世芳：有，我們彙整出來了。"],["牛委員煦庭：你們彙整出來了，可是我沒有在報告裡面看到。"],["劉部長世芳：不是，彙整的部分，每一個縣市的意見都完全不相同。"],["牛委員煦庭：我知道，你彙整的意見，這個我等一下再問，但是現在我們要有個討論基礎，也就是說各縣市大概都是用什麼樣的優惠來處理？比如說，雲林現在就全部免費，包含中低收入戶，那桃園……"],["劉部長世芳：但是雲林對於特殊境遇的部分，好像他們也不是完全贊成。"],["牛委員煦庭：你現在的報告內容沒有彙整，待會下午要審法條的時候，我是擔心討論基礎難免不足，所以是不是交代一下，趕快補上資料？既然你們都已經跟縣市政府預先做過溝通了，就請他們把現行的規則補上。因為你剛剛說，在某一些層面來講，這個可以說是地方自治事項，所以各縣市政府的標準不一。我舉幾個例子，比如說臺北市、新北市跟桃園市，中低收入戶就收費減半；臺中市是免收，可是前提條件是，不只是要中低收入，還要獨居，才構成免收；臺南市酌減四成到五成；高雄市沒有明列，但是個案處理。好，我講的就是說，這些東西我希望附在報告裡面，下午大家審法條的時候，討論也比較有依據，我們才能比較清楚地了解，現在的喪葬補助的狀況，可能是一國多制的情況。","好，那我現在再接著往下問，第一個，希望下午的時候資料可以補上。第二個，現在一國多制可能會引起什麼樣的問題？部長，就是不同縣市有不同標準，可能引發什麼問題？"],["劉部長世芳：第一個，地方制度法本來就是給地方縣市政府有他們的權限規定……"],["牛委員煦庭：我現在問實務上發生什麼問題嘛！你講這是地方現行狀況，法理上就是地方可以制定地方的規則嘛，但實務上出現了什麼問題，導致了今天會有修法的需求產生？部長，你有想法嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：請委員明示，我有點不清楚。"],["牛委員煦庭：問題的關鍵在於，剛剛部長也講，殯葬是鄰避設施，一旦標準不一致的時候，會不會有些人跨縣市跑去別的縣市？因為這邊的優惠比較好，然後就把戶籍遷過去，享有這邊的優惠等等，然後反而造成了該地居民的負擔，因為本來沒有那麼多需求，可是外縣市的人跑進來了，需求增加了，對不對？這就是一國多制可能在實務上造成的困擾。","剛剛部長在答詢的時候也有講，地方有很多意見，然後包含有條件的同意，他們的條件是一些什麼條件？"],["劉部長世芳：我用桃園市的部分跟牛委員報告。"],["牛委員煦庭：可以。"],["劉部長世芳：桃園市回覆的部分是，第一個，入塔免費不贊成納入，火化免費的部分的話，就是中低收入戶跟特殊境遇這部分納入沒有意見，但是其他經濟困頓者審認資格執行困難……"],["牛委員煦庭：還要再行研議嘛，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：不對，他寫不贊成納入。然後還有一個，倘若納入，勢必造成稅收短收。"],["牛委員煦庭：財政負擔嘛，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：財政負擔。"],["牛委員煦庭：其實大部分聽到的意見是不是都指向財政負擔？"],["劉部長世芳：對。"],["牛委員煦庭：應該是嘛，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：是免收。"],["牛委員煦庭：免收的情況就是稅收減少，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：桃園市我還沒講完，對不起，我再補一句，好嗎？"],["牛委員煦庭：我時間有限啦。"],["劉部長世芳：好，桃園市就是中低收入戶的部分它希望減收，就這樣。"],["牛委員煦庭：減收嘛，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：所以大家的核心考量是什麼？其實就是稅入的短少。好，今天這個概念會拋出來的原因是，地方有要發善心，中央要不要回覆嘛，如果我們可以藉這樣子的一個機會，把這個標準齊一，中央當然應該要挹注合理的資源，對不對？讓各地政府享有同等的待遇，這樣子也會比較能夠完整地去解決，因為標準不一致，導致鄰避設施壓力不同的問題，所以大家才會希望透過修法來處理這一件事情。剛剛部長也講，大體上內政部對於這個事情的壓力，就是來自於會不會因為重複補助而造成壓力，名目上現在確實是重複補助，可是額度上真的足夠嗎？部長。"],["劉部長世芳：您是說哪方面的額度？"],["牛委員煦庭：比如說，以喪葬補助來講。"],["劉部長世芳：這個在社會救助法裡面的補助對象我們還沒有去明查，因為是衛福部在主政。"],["牛委員煦庭：你們還沒有去明查？"],["劉部長世芳：對。"],["牛委員煦庭：我隨便舉個例子，比如說我剛剛看了一下，大概都1萬元到4萬元不等，那你補了2萬元，真的有辦法因應中低收入戶的喪葬需求嗎？問題就在這裡，我們今天討論這個事情就是把問題點出來，問題就在這裡，今天如果我們可以透過理性的討論，制定一個全國的標準，中央如果願意回應地方這樣的需求，酌予補助或是做一些調整，我覺得不是壞事，因為該發的生活扶助就照舊發嘛，但是裡面要用在殯葬的比例就降低嘛，或者是把它拉出來，在這個地方去補助，這樣是不是才是根本地解決問題？喪葬的部分……"],["劉部長世芳：那就不是只有殯葬管理條例可以單獨實施的。"],["牛委員煦庭：但是總是要討論嘛，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：所以我們希望透過這樣的修法，第一個，把標準齊一；第二個，不要造成各地鄰避設施不平衡的這種狀況出現；第三，如果有這個好的機制設計，其他的社會救助的相關扶助在喪葬的比例降低，其他生活補助的比例就拉高了，這樣就能照顧真正的「艱苦人」，好不好？這個部分希望部長可以好好思考。"],["劉部長世芳：但是我還是要再強調，因為放在殯葬管理條例裡面，最後可能反而擠壓到縣市政府的財政收入……"],["牛委員煦庭：所以我剛才有講，中央有沒有……"],["劉部長世芳：因為我們強調的就是在免收跟減收。"],["牛委員煦庭：我們現在的問題就是，中央有沒有意願在討論制度的同時，也給予財政上的支持……"],["劉部長世芳：我們很願意協助……"],["牛委員煦庭：你說願意嗎？部長。"],["劉部長世芳：對，但是縣市地方政府的意見都不相同。我的意思是說，站在內政部的立場，我們叫做免收或減收，這個並不難，但是站在社會救助法，它是補助，這是完全不一樣的概念。還有，地方縣市政府民政局跟社會局的意見也各不相同……"],["牛委員煦庭：部長，問題在於現行的補助不一定能夠滿足中低收入戶的需求，對不對？那你現在中央的說法……"],["劉部長世芳：補助再怎麼高都會碰到這樣的狀況。"],["牛委員煦庭：現在中央的說法是，我當然可以准你免收，但是財政的部分你自己處理，所以縣市政府當然就裹足不前了嘛！會壓力很大嘛。"],["劉部長世芳：我想不是這麼的簡化，我們願意幫忙各地方縣市，可能您也不了解，除了六都以外還有縣市……"],["牛委員煦庭：剛剛你在答詢時有講，有些政府有條件同意，你剛剛講到桃園市的例子，其實問題就是財政，是不是大部分縣市政府提出來的問題都是財政的壓力？其實是嘛。那我現在只問一個問題，中央願不願意將這次的修法視為一個檢討的契機，也在財政的部分給予地方縣市政府一定的支持？"],["劉部長世芳：現在修法的條文，我想還不足以滿足我們現在所說的，在財政收支劃分上面的問題……"],["牛委員煦庭：那要不要在討論過程中也思考配套的措施？"],["劉部長世芳：那就要納入社會救助法。"],["牛委員煦庭：好，納入配套措施，部長，你應該不反對這樣的作法，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：可以討論。"],["牛委員煦庭：只是我們希望有更多的配套，讓制度的規劃是完整的，好不好？"],["劉部長世芳：可以討論。"],["牛委員煦庭：那我們至少往前跨了一步嘛，不要一直講，我們就把財政的問題丟給地方縣市政府，然後因為這樣子說縣市政府反對，所以這個法我們就不修，我覺得這樣才是把問題簡化嘛，對不對？"],["劉部長世芳：我們當然想要解決問題，但是沒有像牛委員所說的那麼簡單。"],["牛委員煦庭：當然它困難，我了解，那就是要把大家，包含未來喪葬補助的一些配套一起納入檢討，一起討論嘛。總要討論才會開始，好不好？部長，從這個方向來著手，可以嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：謝謝委員指教。"],["牛委員煦庭：第二個，我還是要講一下都市計畫法，這個一樣其實是地方政府的部分。國土署署長有請，謝謝。我一樣要問一下，在我們討論之前，當然今天沒有要進到法條審查，大概還有時間，我想要知道目前有多少地方政府有收受容移代金，但是沒有辦法妥善運用？"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，目前11個收的縣市裡面，只有兩個縣市有完整的去使用上。"],["牛委員煦庭：對，大部分都有沒有辦法妥善運用的狀況，然後它應該有些理由嘛，那我請國土署先整理資料，因為今天還沒有進到法條的審查，對不對？哪些縣市沒有辦法妥善運用，它的額度是多少？在哪些計畫？然後我現在要問你的問題是，它為什麼沒辦法妥善運用？"],["吳署長欣修：其實我跟委員報告，應該是要看你原來想要容移的時候，你有沒有設定我要去取得的對象，通常現在的狀況是收了，但是沒有認真去討論要取得的對象。像高雄幾乎用了九成多，也就表示它取得以後其實有思考下一個要取得的對象，所以它認真去執行了。"],["牛委員煦庭：公保地這個問題是一個共業嘛，就某些層面而言，對不對？"],["吳署長欣修：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：很多地方會遇到不一樣的生態跟不一樣的挑戰。本席談這個題目的時候，我只擔心一件事情，就我們在地方的了解，現在很多地方都喊著要公保地解編，因為這塊地被公保地框限之後，我沒有辦法做合理的使用，然後我最後只能企圖用解編、用別的方式來取得地主應該有的相關的一些利益。"],["吳署長欣修：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：好，這個概念的副作用是什麼？公共設施變少了嘛。"],["吳署長欣修：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：城市成長，人口越來越多，結果公園解掉了，學校也解掉了，對不對？我們不希望這樣的狀況發生，所以才會考慮是不是要修法增加一部分的彈性。本席的立場是這樣，我覺得應該要同一區，因為同一區的容移代金，容積增加了，人口增加了……"],["吳署長欣修：是，應該要在同一區。"],["牛委員煦庭：公共設施的需求就增加，所以應該在同一計畫區內，這個本席理解，因為本席的選區曾經被挪走過……"],["劉部長世芳：對，現行條文……"],["吳署長欣修：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：但是我也認同很多提案委員的想法，就是我取得土地，但我不見得有相關的預算來開闢，所以是不是在審酌……我剛剛有跟你講我要的資料，在審酌地方政府的困難之後，也許用部分比例的方式也可以讓它做建設或什麼的，是不是來做一下討論跟思考？"],["吳署長欣修：也跟委員報告，其實中央現在補助地方的幾乎都是建設費，不補助用地費，所以這個跟容移搭起來剛好相輔相成，也就是說你透過容移專注去取得用地，但是中央是可以給你補助建設經費……"],["牛委員煦庭：署長，這就是我為什麼向你要資料，我們要先有討論基礎，瞭解哪些縣市政府遇到了哪些狀況，我們才能思考要修訂哪一些規則……"],["吳署長欣修：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：所以，是不是請署裡面做一下功課跟整理，後面修法條時我們再來好好討論，可以嗎？"],["吳署長欣修：好。"],["牛委員煦庭：兩位辛苦了。謝謝。"],["主席（許委員宇甄代）：謝謝牛煦庭委員。接下來請徐欣瑩召委發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":164,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-3","speakers":["徐欣瑩","張嘉郡","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","王育敏","丁學忠","許宇甄","廖先翔","林沛祥","黃健豪","王美惠","蘇巧慧","張智倫","麥玉珍","黃建賓","張宏陸","李柏毅","黃捷","牛煦庭","黃國昌","李坤城","吳琪銘","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","廖偉翔","高金素梅","傅崐萁"],"page_start":87,"meetingDate":["2024-10-07"],"gazette_id":"1137901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、殯葬管理條例：(一)審查委員丁學忠等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草\n案」案、( 二 ) 審查委員張嘉郡等29 人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、\n(三)審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)審查委\n員許宇甄等18人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員羅廷瑋等\n17 人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、 ( 六 ) 審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai\nTahovecahe 等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；二、都市計畫法：\n(一)審查委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)審查委員\n楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)審查委員黃健豪等19人\n擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「都市計\n畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三\n條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)審查委員林沛祥等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十五條條文修正草\n案」案、( 七 ) 審查委員廖先翔等16 人擬具「都市計畫法第十九條及第八十二條條文修正草案」\n案、(八)審查委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案【本案僅詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1137901_00004"}}}