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00:02:48,689\n全部的學校數的所有需求就會報送由各部門一起統整包含可能民政部門、公園部門它統整報出來其中教育部門部分是由教育部來審查教育部通常一接到大概3到5天內就會審查完一審查完但是審的過程中也通常都是照地方政府的需求除非他們撤走所以以上報告的是那種\n\n9\n00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:52,153\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席就\n\n10\n00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:31,652\n上個禮拜五在還沒有整個災情統計前部長就已經先給這兩個縣市協助了那至於現在慢慢的具體的災情出來之後那包含像行政院爭取的這個以及我們馬上幫他會刊這個都同步在協助將近有七個縣市那如果部分不足的部分是不是還會再編列其他年份的這個預算進來\n\n11\n00:03:32,833 --> 00:03:56,181\n像為了這幾天為了要復學有任何急救的需要部長都會馬上再額外再協助但那個協助的錢會比較是為了復學但是像一個建物有突然更需要例如重建的那個會跟行政院的開了這個專案我們一起會來協助他爭取因為我們最怕的就是我們應該要受教的學生他們的權益受到損失\n\n12\n00:03:57,501 --> 00:04:24,108\n好那進入到今天的這個主題我想很多人剛剛都講到這個班班鮮奶的這個部分剛剛一連串這樣聽下來感覺這個薄酒乳有一點點被汙名化了其實我們的薄酒乳呢其實大家都知道它並不會因為它的殺菌的過程而減少它的鈣質跟它的營養成分這點部長對吧是\n\n13\n00:04:26,294 --> 00:04:27,985\n好,那我想也邀請一下這個農業部的次長\n\n14\n00:04:31,089 --> 00:04:59,909\n在這裡還是要肯定這個農業部在多年來其實都在幫我們的這個鹿農的產業來做一個轉型跟補助啦這已經是好多年了但是今年明年度最大的一個影響其實就是明年紐西蘭進口它是沒有限額的這個部分所以這是會對我們的本土的鹿農業有很大的一個衝擊那但是呢這個班班有鮮乳的這個政策呢我們必須說它是真的利益良善\n\n15\n00:05:00,589 --> 00:05:00,714\n本集完\n\n16\n00:05:00,956 --> 00:05:01,316\n委員會主席\n\n17\n00:05:33,777 --> 00:05:50,782\n謝謝委員關心,確實以日本為例,它是內涵在這個營養午餐,所以它在整個推動那我們這一次整個政策上,它為了除了對我們這個糯農的一個照顧以外,我們是用外加的,所以它確實\n\n18\n00:05:52,222 --> 00:06:09,134\n在政策的一個推動上裡邊就發現了一些更多的一些挑戰我想我們也會希望未來已經有台灣在這個政策推動之前已經有10個縣市已經有在這一個牛奶\n\n19\n00:06:09,634 --> 00:06:24,672\n這個我幫部長講一下就是任何政策的推動跟訂定或者是到了地方政府還有包含學校的前端或者是在校方甚至在家長跟學童其實我們都有好多不同的問題\n\n20\n00:06:25,413 --> 00:06:28,335\n兼顧教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總裁\n\n21\n00:06:55,773 --> 00:06:59,457\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就«班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形»進行專題\n\n22\n00:07:13,251 --> 00:07:16,134\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向進行專題\n\n23\n00:07:34,091 --> 00:07:37,174\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n\n24\n00:07:58,954 --> 00:07:59,094\n主席\n\n25\n00:08:22,225 --> 00:08:50,379\n可以供應的範圍裡面我們也來做協助讓好的東西能夠回饋到我們的所有國人包括學童身上謝謝委員提醒因為它的量不夠不夠供應到這個大到全國都供應但它相對的來講其實就是跟所謂的涵蓋的豆漿其實是差不多的啊量是少的嘛但是是不排除是不是將來也可以把它納進來可以考慮這個作為一個選項但是它的供應量確實是比較有限好\n\n26\n00:08:51,419 --> 00:08:55,962\n接下來我們來說一下我們的利益良善國人普遍缺鈣,不是只有小學生,從4歲到18歲都是普遍缺鈣的我剛有說到,保酒乳跟鮮奶的營養成分跟所含的蛋白質跟鈣質\n\n27\n00:09:13,351 --> 00:09:41,525\n其實是不分上下的所以其實大家也不要一直把這個薄酒乳汙名化了其實我剛剛聽了我也嚇了一跳因為其實我的孩子也喝薄酒乳他也喝鮮奶但有時候其實因為學校定有同儕之間的一些你知道那個同儕之間會影響在家裡叫他喝鮮奶他可能會覺得不想喝不想喝到了學校他就會乖乖喝為什麼因為同學喝了我也會跟著喝所以這個利益良善我們不希望說因為這個利益良善的政策\n\n28\n00:09:42,485 --> 00:10:05,853\n讓原本學校或者是家長他本來就已經有在訂鮮奶的一個習慣把它退掉不是我們多的這是一個禮拜當中的兩次這是我們的好意是為了要讓我們的孩童能夠有更多的這個補充鈣質跟蛋白質的一個機會所以這個是良善的這個我們必須要一直不斷的再次的強調然後再來我們看到就是\n\n29\n00:10:07,233 --> 00:10:29,501\n很多人也講到所謂的乳糖不耐症的部分那我想這個乳糖不耐症的部分呢這個部分我們是要怎麼樣來做一個調整現在目前有沒有一個初步的想法?針對這個部分這個部分其實是我們把所有可以供應的品項直接就放在公共供應契約上面那由需要的狀況去做採購跟調整\n\n30\n00:10:31,641 --> 00:10:57,279\n那涵蓋豆漿的部分因為還沒有明天嘛明天要審標審查廠商規格所以涵蓋豆漿的部分應該10月底是應該可以所以回到我剛剛的那個第一個問題我覺得羊奶其實也可以納進來因為其實它對於所謂的乳糖不耐症其實還是會有一些比較好的一些方向的影響雖然它的量不多但是我覺得可以跟涵蓋豆漿一起放進來好謝謝委員提醒好謝謝\n\n31\n00:11:00,242 --> 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«班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形»進行專題\n433251\t436134\t二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向 進行專題\n454091\t457174\t二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n478954\t479094\t主席\n502225\t530379\t可以供應的範圍裡面我們也來做協助讓好的東西能夠回饋到我們的所有國人包括學童身上謝謝委員提醒因為它的量不夠不夠供應到這個大到全國都供應但它相對的來講其實就是跟所謂的涵蓋的豆漿其實是差不多的啊量是少的嘛但是是不排除是不是將來也可以把它納進來可以考慮這個作為一個選項但是它的供應量確實是比較有限好\n531419\t535962\t接下來我們來說一下我們的利益良善國人普遍缺鈣,不是只有小學生,從4歲到18歲都是普遍缺鈣的我剛有說到,保酒乳跟鮮奶的營養成分跟所含的蛋白質跟鈣質\n553351\t581525\t其實是不分上下的所以其實大家也不要一直把這個薄酒乳汙名化了其實我剛剛聽了我也嚇了一跳因為其實我的孩子也喝薄酒乳他也喝鮮奶但有時候其實因為學校定有同儕之間的一些你知道那個同儕之間會影響在家裡叫他喝鮮奶他可能會覺得不想喝不想喝到了學校他就會乖乖喝為什麼因為同學喝了我也會跟著喝所以這個利益良善我們不希望說因為這個利益良善的政策\n582485\t605853\t讓原本學校或者是家長他本來就已經有在訂鮮奶的一個習慣把它退掉不是我們多的這是一個禮拜當中的兩次這是我們的好意是為了要讓我們的孩童能夠有更多的這個補充鈣質跟蛋白質的一個機會所以這個是良善的這個我們必須要一直不斷的再次的強調然後再來我們看到就是\n607233\t629501\t很多人也講到所謂的乳糖不耐症的部分那我想這個乳糖不耐症的部分呢這個部分我們是要怎麼樣來做一個調整現在目前有沒有一個初步的想法?針對這個部分這個部分其實是我們把所有可以供應的品項直接就放在公共供應契約上面那由需要的狀況去做採購跟調整\n631641\t657279\t那涵蓋豆漿的部分因為還沒有明天嘛明天要審標審查廠商規格所以涵蓋豆漿的部分應該10月底是應該可以所以回到我剛剛的那個第一個問題我覺得羊奶其實也可以納進來因為其實它對於所謂的乳糖不耐症其實還是會有一些比較好的一些方向的影響雖然它的量不多但是我覺得可以跟涵蓋豆漿一起放進來好 謝謝委員提醒好 謝謝\n660242\t661344\t謝謝主席、謝謝部長、謝謝次長\n","txt":"主席好辛苦了有請部長好我們有請鄭部長我再補充一下我們等一下一樣是第15個序位但是現在因為他們調換成紅色漢委員所以我們等紅色漢委員結束之後我們就來進行處理臨時提案委員好\n部長好首先我先就這次的颱風的風災的部分然後再來就是受損的一些學校它目前這個災損的一個程度我們來請教一下因為這次呢其實兩次的颱風包含這個7月底的這個開密颱風那7月底的這個開密颱風\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向。」\n不論是風災或地震我們在第一時間就會對比較嚴重的縣市或災區立即部長就會馬上同意先撥讓他可以及時解救他們\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形：一、邀請教育部部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向。」進行專題\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就 «班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形»進行專題\n全部的學校數的所有需求就會報送由各部門一起統整包含可能民政部門、公園部門它統整報出來其中教育部門部分是由教育部來審查教育部通常一接到大概3到5天內就會審查完一審查完但是審的過程中也通常都是照地方政府的需求除非他們撤走所以以上報告的是那種\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席就\n上個禮拜五在還沒有整個災情統計前部長就已經先給這兩個縣市協助了那至於現在慢慢的具體的災情出來之後那包含像行政院爭取的這個以及我們馬上幫他會刊這個都同步在協助將近有七個縣市那如果部分不足的部分是不是還會再編列其他年份的這個預算進來\n像為了這幾天為了要復學有任何急救的需要部長都會馬上再額外再協助但那個協助的錢會比較是為了復學但是像一個建物有突然更需要例如重建的那個會跟行政院的開了這個專案我們一起會來協助他爭取因為我們最怕的就是我們應該要受教的學生他們的權益受到損失\n好那進入到今天的這個主題我想很多人剛剛都講到這個班班鮮奶的這個部分剛剛一連串這樣聽下來感覺這個薄酒乳有一點點被汙名化了其實我們的薄酒乳呢其實大家都知道它並不會因為它的殺菌的過程而減少它的鈣質跟它的營養成分這點部長對吧是\n好,那我想也邀請一下這個農業部的次長\n在這裡還是要肯定這個農業部在多年來其實都在幫我們的這個鹿農的產業來做一個轉型跟補助啦這已經是好多年了但是今年明年度最大的一個影響其實就是明年紐西蘭進口它是沒有限額的這個部分所以這是會對我們的本土的鹿農業有很大的一個衝擊那但是呢這個班班有鮮乳的這個政策呢我們必須說它是真的利益良善\n本集完\n委員會主席\n謝謝委員關心,確實以日本為例,它是內涵在這個營養午餐,所以它在整個推動那我們這一次整個政策上,它為了除了對我們這個糯農的一個照顧以外,我們是用外加的,所以它確實\n在政策的一個推動上裡邊就發現了一些更多的一些挑戰我想我們也會希望未來已經有台灣在這個政策推動之前已經有10個縣市已經有在這一個牛奶\n這個我幫部長講一下就是任何政策的推動跟訂定或者是到了地方政府還有包含學校的前端或者是在校方甚至在家長跟學童其實我們都有好多不同的問題\n兼顧教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總裁\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就 «班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形»進行專題\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向 進行專題\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n主席\n可以供應的範圍裡面我們也來做協助讓好的東西能夠回饋到我們的所有國人包括學童身上謝謝委員提醒因為它的量不夠不夠供應到這個大到全國都供應但它相對的來講其實就是跟所謂的涵蓋的豆漿其實是差不多的啊量是少的嘛但是是不排除是不是將來也可以把它納進來可以考慮這個作為一個選項但是它的供應量確實是比較有限好\n接下來我們來說一下我們的利益良善國人普遍缺鈣,不是只有小學生,從4歲到18歲都是普遍缺鈣的我剛有說到,保酒乳跟鮮奶的營養成分跟所含的蛋白質跟鈣質\n其實是不分上下的所以其實大家也不要一直把這個薄酒乳汙名化了其實我剛剛聽了我也嚇了一跳因為其實我的孩子也喝薄酒乳他也喝鮮奶但有時候其實因為學校定有同儕之間的一些你知道那個同儕之間會影響在家裡叫他喝鮮奶他可能會覺得不想喝不想喝到了學校他就會乖乖喝為什麼因為同學喝了我也會跟著喝所以這個利益良善我們不希望說因為這個利益良善的政策\n讓原本學校或者是家長他本來就已經有在訂鮮奶的一個習慣把它退掉不是我們多的這是一個禮拜當中的兩次這是我們的好意是為了要讓我們的孩童能夠有更多的這個補充鈣質跟蛋白質的一個機會所以這個是良善的這個我們必須要一直不斷的再次的強調然後再來我們看到就是\n很多人也講到所謂的乳糖不耐症的部分那我想這個乳糖不耐症的部分呢這個部分我們是要怎麼樣來做一個調整現在目前有沒有一個初步的想法?針對這個部分這個部分其實是我們把所有可以供應的品項直接就放在公共供應契約上面那由需要的狀況去做採購跟調整\n那涵蓋豆漿的部分因為還沒有明天嘛明天要審標審查廠商規格所以涵蓋豆漿的部分應該10月底是應該可以所以回到我剛剛的那個第一個問題我覺得羊奶其實也可以納進來因為其實它對於所謂的乳糖不耐症其實還是會有一些比較好的一些方向的影響雖然它的量不多但是我覺得可以跟涵蓋豆漿一起放進來好 謝謝委員提醒好 謝謝\n謝謝主席、謝謝部長、謝謝次長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.735 --> 00:22.464\n主席好辛苦了有請部長好我們有請鄭部長我再補充一下我們等一下一樣是第15個序位但是現在因為他們調換成紅色漢委員所以我們等紅色漢委員結束之後我們就來進行處理臨時提案委員好\n\n00:24.141 --> 00:38.024\n部長好首先我先就這次的颱風的風災的部分然後再來就是受損的一些學校它目前這個災損的一個程度我們來請教一下因為這次呢其實兩次的颱風包含這個7月底的這個開密颱風那7月底的這個開密颱風\n\n00:45.026 --> 00:46.168\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席\n\n01:00.126 --> 01:07.911\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向。」\n\n01:29.218 --> 01:45.014\n不論是風災或地震我們在第一時間就會對比較嚴重的縣市或災區立即部長就會馬上同意先撥讓他可以及時解救他們\n\n01:46.215 --> 01:51.778\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形：一、邀請教育部部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向。」進行專題\n\n02:07.426 --> 02:10.108\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就«班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形»進行專題\n\n02:23.997 --> 02:48.689\n全部的學校數的所有需求就會報送由各部門一起統整包含可能民政部門、公園部門它統整報出來其中教育部門部分是由教育部來審查教育部通常一接到大概3到5天內就會審查完一審查完但是審的過程中也通常都是照地方政府的需求除非他們撤走所以以上報告的是那種\n\n02:49.870 --> 02:52.153\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席就\n\n03:08.689 --> 03:31.652\n上個禮拜五在還沒有整個災情統計前部長就已經先給這兩個縣市協助了那至於現在慢慢的具體的災情出來之後那包含像行政院爭取的這個以及我們馬上幫他會刊這個都同步在協助將近有七個縣市那如果部分不足的部分是不是還會再編列其他年份的這個預算進來\n\n03:32.833 --> 03:56.181\n像為了這幾天為了要復學有任何急救的需要部長都會馬上再額外再協助但那個協助的錢會比較是為了復學但是像一個建物有突然更需要例如重建的那個會跟行政院的開了這個專案我們一起會來協助他爭取因為我們最怕的就是我們應該要受教的學生他們的權益受到損失\n\n03:57.501 --> 04:24.108\n好那進入到今天的這個主題我想很多人剛剛都講到這個班班鮮奶的這個部分剛剛一連串這樣聽下來感覺這個薄酒乳有一點點被汙名化了其實我們的薄酒乳呢其實大家都知道它並不會因為它的殺菌的過程而減少它的鈣質跟它的營養成分這點部長對吧是\n\n04:26.294 --> 04:27.985\n好,那我想也邀請一下這個農業部的次長\n\n04:31.089 --> 04:59.909\n在這裡還是要肯定這個農業部在多年來其實都在幫我們的這個鹿農的產業來做一個轉型跟補助啦這已經是好多年了但是今年明年度最大的一個影響其實就是明年紐西蘭進口它是沒有限額的這個部分所以這是會對我們的本土的鹿農業有很大的一個衝擊那但是呢這個班班有鮮乳的這個政策呢我們必須說它是真的利益良善\n\n05:00.589 --> 05:00.714\n本集完\n\n05:00.956 --> 05:01.316\n委員會主席\n\n05:33.777 --> 05:50.782\n謝謝委員關心,確實以日本為例,它是內涵在這個營養午餐,所以它在整個推動那我們這一次整個政策上,它為了除了對我們這個糯農的一個照顧以外,我們是用外加的,所以它確實\n\n05:52.222 --> 06:09.134\n在政策的一個推動上裡邊就發現了一些更多的一些挑戰我想我們也會希望未來已經有台灣在這個政策推動之前已經有10個縣市已經有在這一個牛奶\n\n06:09.634 --> 06:24.672\n這個我幫部長講一下就是任何政策的推動跟訂定或者是到了地方政府還有包含學校的前端或者是在校方甚至在家長跟學童其實我們都有好多不同的問題\n\n06:25.413 --> 06:28.335\n兼顧教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總裁\n\n06:55.773 --> 06:59.457\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就«班班有鮮奶整備及執行情形»進行專題\n\n07:13.251 --> 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