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00:00:32,650\n那部長為了因應2025年的紐西蘭牛乳零關稅對本土弱農產業的衝擊你們提出了班班有鮮奶、班班喝鮮奶那本席也多次召開協調會跟質詢最後決議就是除了進口的保酒乳不應該貼明鮮乳名稱之外農業部也\n\n3\n00:00:34,671 --> 00:00:46,162\n就是積極的介入也支持這樣子的一個提案那但是這個政策實施之後好像引發了一些負面的效應請問部長跟次長你們知道嗎\n\n4\n00:00:48,342 --> 00:01:03,553\n部長您先好了謝謝委員的一個關心確實它也面臨到一些挑戰包括從保存但是我想委員剛才所關心的因為就是保久乳它一定是我們農業部當時規劃都是國產的一個鮮乳去是\n\n5\n00:01:09,457 --> 00:01:21,120\n本席也提示您就是第一個問題產生就是價格目前中央開出的鮮乳採購價跟市場價有一個蠻大的落差不曉得部長有沒有在這個全聯或是7-11買過這個鮮乳一瓶多少錢你知道嗎\n\n6\n00:01:31,755 --> 00:01:37,839\n我比較我比較少但是還是有買過大概一瓶平均大概都31塊、32塊但是我們中央現在發包採購的鮮乳每瓶只有16塊寶九乳是14塊以雲林縣政府為例班班有鮮奶早在2015年起就開始自主實施雲林縣政府採購價是20塊一瓶\n\n7\n00:02:00,596 --> 00:02:13,770\n這代表著什麼你知道嗎這代表著我們這麼利益良善的一個政策其實是在壓低價格購買這一項政策本來是為了扶植本土的落農產業結果\n\n8\n00:02:16,383 --> 00:02:40,171\n目前的這樣子政策方向第一是單價太低業者可能入不敷出真正能夠去做的可能都是大型的產業大型的這個公司才有可能去承接那小型的落農他是沒有無力承接的因為他賠不起啊所以這一點請問一下部長跟次長可不可以來提高一下這個購買的價格以利保障本土的落農\n\n9\n00:02:46,515 --> 00:03:09,856\n謝謝委員提醒了其實雲林一直實施這個每週喝鮮乳這個其實也蠻久所以我們非常感謝雲林其實對於這個支持本土的酪農產業其實非常有經驗也確實已經在做那至於當初定下來那個價格其實也是找乳廠過來一起協商那考量到大概是兩點第一個是因為這次是由政府\n\n10\n00:03:10,536 --> 00:03:32,305\n希望每週學童能夠喝到兩次奶那個量是大的所以這個價格是由乳廠那邊提出來說但是乳廠都是大型的乳廠啊你一般的小型弱農他完全賠不起啊這小型的這個乳廠是不可能有這樣的財力的所以這樣對產業而言到底是雪中送炭還是央苗助長\n\n11\n00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:55,748\n所以這一點請部長跟次長要趕快考慮一下檢討一下是不是應該調整如果弱農真正沒有受到幫助的話那這個政策其實是在扼殺他們那第二個是政策不夠多元扼殺了這些養乳的業者這個政策提出之後有很多的養乳弱農當初是仰賴學校訂購\n\n12\n00:03:58,869 --> 00:04:00,814\n那甚至很多人小時候都有喝過這個羊乳啊結果班班喝鮮乳的政策\n\n13\n00:04:05,388 --> 00:04:30,243\n記出之後,從7月開始,現在酪農紛紛收到客戶的停止訂購,停止訂購業績下滑了2至5成,是不是可以把養乳鹽納入一個選項呢?好,謝謝委員提醒,我想養乳鹽是可以作為非常好的乳鈣來源提供的選項之一,我們來評估看怎麼把它納入,即便它的量確實可以供應的量是比較少\n\n14\n00:04:30,743 --> 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