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00:03:17,950\n黃秀芳議員\n\n11\n00:03:33,861 --> 00:03:50,647\n對委員提到的就是說如果污泥的話它因為它最後可以像這個油的話例如說未來可以做航空用油SAF它就是一個很好的這個東西所以我們是希望我個人是希望是說我們部內會來規劃一下把這個產業能夠動起來才可以解決我們各式各樣的問題我們會來推動\n\n12\n00:03:52,148 --> 00:04:19,207\n好那謝謝部長另外彰化縣在7月份就是有關這個垃圾的部分是用破帶的方式那剛剛一開始的時候當然民眾會還蠻反彈的可是在經過這個幾個月時間彰化縣政府的環保局也覺得說這個成效還不錯就可以垃圾量可以減到兩成左右那這個回收就是民眾做的這個\n\n13\n00:04:20,808 --> 00:04:20,948\n韓國瑜委員\n\n14\n00:04:43,121 --> 00:04:44,844\n我希望說未來針對我們的這個垃圾\n\n15\n00:04:58,925 --> 00:04:58,945\n委員會議長\n\n16\n00:05:21,647 --> 00:05:23,247\n我希望這些垃圾的這個堆置場你可以做到什麼樣的程度?\n\n17\n00:05:51,533 --> 00:06:13,840\n好第一個是三年內把這個露天裸露的解決掉這個委員我一定會如期的完成定期的跟社會大眾報告這個數字全部都會公開讓大家能夠看得到的那第二個呢源頭減量齁我會找網購業者或是外送業者來道德勸說大家都有社會的責任他們能夠提供更環保的餐具或更環保的這個作為來做這個事情\n\n18\n00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:28,836\n另外一個是我希望其實有一個全循環的經濟園區才可以幫台灣未來解決這個問題我們目前其實因為中央跟地方的權責其實卡得非常的緊我們希望未來能夠有一些突破才能夠解決這個問題\n\n19\n00:06:31,278 --> 00:06:54,590\n當然這個我們希望說能夠逐步去解決因為其實每個人每天生產的這個垃圾量其實有時候覺得還蠻驚人的有時候你在網路上購買東西它的包裝就是層層的包裝一個小樣的東西它可能用一個大盒子大箱子包裝然後裡面又用那個泡棉可能就又包起來\n\n20\n00:06:55,831 --> 00:07:23,616\n所以其實我覺得如果說舊部長講的可以跟這些網購業者有一些共識那是不是可以把如果是比較小樣的東西它的包裝就不要包得這麼大我覺得應該可以朝著這個方向去做源頭減量那我想請教部長就是說我們過去一直在追蹤就是我們的這個資源循環促進法那預計什麼時候要送到立法院\n\n21\n00:07:24,096 --> 00:07:48,819\n保委員因為我上任的時候的確也聽過這個法案的簡報但是我也看到裡面的一些問題跟盲點所以目前我們跟我們的團隊在討論是應該還是回到廢清法跟資源循環促進法兩法一邊是修正一邊是等於是兩個再重新再修正那這次我們比較不一樣是我有跟我們團隊說我們籌組了一個8加N的聯盟產業界一起來談不要我們環境部官方來談\n\n22\n00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,621\n我們希望明年可以送到大院來\n\n23\n00:08:06,340 --> 00:08:19,151\n最後一個問題我想請教因為彰化在我的選區有兩個廠一個是廢棄物的堆置廠正在申請另外一個可能就是\n\n24\n00:08:20,452 --> 00:08:20,552\n黃秀芳議員\n\n25\n00:08:46,255 --> 00:09:11,757\n如果是又在水源頭如果是在水源頭的話所有的民眾都是抗議那我也希望就是說部長在你的任內我們也希望能夠看到這些垃圾焚化爐燒出的剩下一些底渣那這些底渣未來要怎麼現在有的是固化處理那像這樣子的話你又要找一個地方去掩埋我覺得\n\n26\n00:09:12,638 --> 00:09:38,507\n這個也是好像也是對整個環境的一個二次傷害而且當地的民眾也非常的反彈所以我希望說針對這部分我也希望這個環境部這邊也要去正視如果說所有的東西都可以從源頭去減量的話那也許我們可以就不需要這麼多的這個掩埋場對那我希望說部長這一件事我也希望你能夠正視\n\n27\n00:09:39,207 --> 00:09:40,329\n好,謝謝委員,我們會來助議,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5141\t5908\t謝謝主席 我們請部長\n10809\t31762\t黃議員好部長好部長我們上禮拜我們委員會有排到彰化考察去看這個黑水盟那其實我覺得說我們以前都是只有看影片或者是照片那第一次能夠親自到現場去看親自去體驗我覺得這個\n36084\t64267\t看到真的是還蠻驚訝的就是說這個黑水蒙它竟然可以將這個廚餘處理得真的是非常的棒那另外一個它還可以有那個污泥就是我們一些工業的那個污泥也可以透過這個黑水蒙來處理那我想請教就是說未來有沒有可能就是說因為我們知道說工業的不論是電子或者是一些紙\n64867\t80068\t指葉所生產的那個算是廢渣也好或者是污泥那有沒有可能就是說環境部未來跟這些合作然後是朝向用這樣的一個生物的方式來處理\n81574\t105994\t包括委員因為目前其實黑水蒙最好的還是廚藥的減量那廚藥的減量我們過去廚藥大概堆肥是比較多但是現在堆肥的使用量沒那麼的多那第二個就是養豬啦給豬吃然後用真主的方式做處理那目前我必須說黑水蒙在使用在廚藥的使用量裡面比例大概不到2%那這個其實在國外的案例是應該可以更多的\n106354\t121518\t所以我們其實也在研議說如何讓這個黑水盟的產業能夠可以真的起來那我必須說他們經營的委員看到那家我也去看過那也非常的好但是還有一段這個瓶頸在那個地方那我們環境部會來想辦法能夠把這個產業能夠帶動起來是\n123999\t149020\t如果我覺得說這個他處理廚餘的部分還不錯的話其實我覺得應該可以透過環境部跟各個地方縣市政府這個環保局應該去慢慢去推動是不是可以透過這樣的方式來處理廚餘的部分要不然其實之前之前很多我們的這個家裡面的這個廚餘有的可能就直接\n149881\t149901\t韓國瑜\n167870\t168110\t黃秀芳議員\n197790\t197950\t黃秀芳議員\n213861\t230647\t對委員提到的就是說如果污泥的話它因為它最後可以像這個油的話例如說未來可以做航空用油SAF它就是一個很好的這個東西所以我們是希望我個人是希望是說我們部內會來規劃一下把這個產業能夠動起來才可以解決我們各式各樣的問題我們會來推動\n232148\t259207\t好那謝謝部長另外彰化縣在7月份就是有關這個垃圾的部分是用破帶的方式那剛剛一開始的時候當然民眾會還蠻反彈的可是在經過這個幾個月時間彰化縣政府的環保局也覺得說這個成效還不錯就可以垃圾量可以減到兩成左右那這個回收就是民眾做的這個\n260808\t260948\t韓國瑜委員\n283121\t284844\t我希望說未來針對我們的這個垃圾\n298925\t298945\t委員會議長\n321647\t323247\t我希望這些垃圾的這個堆置場你可以做到什麼樣的程度?\n351533\t373840\t好第一個是三年內把這個露天裸露的解決掉這個委員我一定會如期的完成定期的跟社會大眾報告這個數字全部都會公開讓大家能夠看得到的那第二個呢源頭減量齁我會找網購業者或是外送業者來道德勸說大家都有社會的責任他們能夠提供更環保的餐具或更環保的這個作為來做這個事情\n375300\t388836\t另外一個是我希望其實有一個全循環的經濟園區才可以幫台灣未來解決這個問題我們目前其實因為中央跟地方的權責其實卡得非常的緊我們希望未來能夠有一些突破才能夠解決這個問題\n391278\t414590\t當然這個我們希望說能夠逐步去解決因為其實每個人每天生產的這個垃圾量其實有時候覺得還蠻驚人的有時候你在網路上購買東西它的包裝就是層層的包裝一個小樣的東西它可能用一個大盒子大箱子包裝然後裡面又用那個泡棉可能就又包起來\n415831\t443616\t所以其實我覺得如果說舊部長講的可以跟這些網購業者有一些共識那是不是可以把如果是比較小樣的東西它的包裝就不要包得這麼大我覺得應該可以朝著這個方向去做源頭減量那我想請教部長就是說我們過去一直在追蹤就是我們的這個資源循環促進法那預計什麼時候要送到立法院\n444096\t468819\t保委員因為我上任的時候的確也聽過這個法案的簡報但是我也看到裡面的一些問題跟盲點所以目前我們跟我們的團隊在討論是應該還是回到廢清法跟資源循環促進法兩法一邊是修正一邊是等於是兩個再重新再修正那這次我們比較不一樣是我有跟我們團隊說我們籌組了一個8加N的聯盟產業界一起來談不要我們環境部官方來談\n469480\t470621\t我們希望明年可以送到大院來\n486340\t499151\t最後一個問題我想請教因為彰化在我的選區有兩個廠一個是廢棄物的堆置廠正在申請另外一個可能就是\n500452\t500552\t黃秀芳議員\n526255\t551757\t如果是又在水源頭 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solution）」等五大措施上，容有作業期程、費用規劃、用地選址及法制作業等事項因揭露不明而應有檢討之空間，爰提案要求環境部限期於二周內項本委員會提交書面報告。","提案人：陳菁徽　　盧縣一　　涂權吉"],["主席：第一案，環境管理署有沒有問題？"],["顏署長旭明：第一案，我們建議後面倒數第三行「在一個月……」改成「一個月內了解情形，提交書面報告」，以上。"],["主席：一個月內……"],["顏署長旭明：一個月內了解情形，提交書面報告。"],["主席：請問各位委員有沒有意見？寫這樣等於沒寫，要了解？要處理啦！"],["顏署長旭明：那個有溝通過，他們現在是有處理了啦！"],["主席：好，那……"],["劉委員建國：主席，你是一個月內要研擬相關措施，他要把相關措施拿掉啦！他要了解情形，就一個月改為兩個禮拜就好了啦！對不對？"],["顏署長旭明：我們遵照召委跟委員的意見辦理。"],["主席：好，兩個禮拜，第一案就修正通過。第二案。"],["顏署長旭明：第二案，沒有意見。"],["主席：第二案有沒有問題？照案通過是不是？第二案照案通過。第三案。"],["林副署長健三：第三案，建議「要求限期於一個月內向本委員會提交書面報告」。"],["主席：陳委員有沒有意見？"],["陳委員菁徽：可以，同意，謝謝。依照修改意見，謝謝。"],["主席：我們這個衛環真的每一個委員都非常善良。第三案就修正通過，好，大家有沒有意見？沒有。那我們繼續，臨時提案全部處理完畢，接下來我們請劉建國委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":256,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-2","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","林月琴","涂權吉","盧縣一","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","王育敏","廖偉翔","王正旭","楊曜","洪申翰","羅廷瑋","洪孟楷","羅智強","黃秀芳","劉建國","陳瑩","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","邱若華","何欣純","林淑芬","牛煦庭","蘇巧慧","林倩綺","謝衣鳯"],"page_start":173,"meetingDate":["2024-10-07"],"gazette_id":"1138201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138201_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請環境部部長針對「垃圾裸露堆置及災後垃圾妥善處理對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138201_00004"}}}