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00:02:48,787\n第一類電信業者沒有公權力的情況下你認為第二類業者他們會來配合嗎跟委員報告那個MVMO現在是他已經要來登記了假使來登現在要經營MVMO的就是號碼批發傳售的他一定要來登記我們區間裡就直接去管他不會再透過不會透過那個MMO\n\n8\n00:02:50,266 --> 00:03:10,955\n那黃建豪委員還有鍾嘉斌委員他們都有分別針對第二類電信業者納管部分提出電信管理修正草案那主委您看過嗎我有看過那您認同嗎我支持現在這種用我們現在用這種MVMO就是透過那個電信號碼是使用管理辦法來管理MVMO\n\n9\n00:03:11,835 --> 00:03:29,440\n法制上面更精進就是提就是像宗嘉斌委員他們的提案就是把那個第二類電信再做列管再做列管那本席認為第二類業者應該由主管機關來監管對沒有錯他來登記成為電信事業就是要管\n\n10\n00:03:31,277 --> 00:03:52,082\n您會管齁?那希望您能做到但是這一部分就是要我們現在是用那個電信事業用號碼管理辦法來做行政管理那未來假使是說電管法有修的話那更正當再請提供本席素面資料那因為時間的關係主席有請我們訴發部黃部長\n\n11\n00:04:01,797 --> 00:04:16,798\n部長好就本席了解我們第三方支付虛擬貨幣已經成為詐騙集團的洗錢工具之一那第三方支付在國內最早可追溯到107年那110年的時候第三方支付就已經當年就有檢察官基層的檢察官要求說\n\n12\n00:04:18,019 --> 00:04:39,226\n希望我們相關的主管機關將第三方支付列為特許行業那之後訴發部在111年8月27號掛牌而第三方支付的主管機關就是訴發部那當年詐騙案件數已經突破了16萬件很可惜當時訴發部認為自己的業務只在於推動數位發展那不負責監管的席位最後造成詐騙橫行\n\n13\n00:04:40,606 --> 00:04:41,406\n數位經濟是我們納管的一個產業\n\n14\n00:05:06,333 --> 00:05:30,052\n希望接下來數位發展部也會嚴格來執行我們會再監管他們那個尤其是剛剛講這個能量登錄就是說第三方支付他要提供這個服務必須通過我們的能量登錄包括資產減額他通過才能夠提供這個服務那我們這個也跟金管會合作就是說他要申請到虛擬帳號必須要經過我們能量登錄才能夠去申請所以這方面的管理現在都在進行中\n\n15\n00:05:31,473 --> 00:05:55,108\n有很多委員都提到一夜市廣告那個偽冒名人的詐騙廣告在各大的網路平台都可以看到那近期這些詐騙集團也越來越囂張把他們的觸手都伸到了職棒圈用假帳號抹黑球員還有以利他們來詐騙那導致球團發出聲明要求球員近期不要跟球迷合照那速發部終於在10月10號的時候也推出了網路的詐騙APP通報\n\n16\n00:05:55,948 --> 00:06:15,695\n那速發部強調如果公眾人物遭到詐騙集團尾報可以回報速發部那速發部會要求Facebook還有Line、Google、IG等社群平台要求這些這些廣告來下架那本席覺得速發部推出的APP應該是可以有效的來打擊詐騙只是太慢了\n\n17\n00:06:16,175 --> 00:06:43,448\n那非要問題那麼嚴重才提出解決的方案那在這邊本席也要跟部長分享一個小故事那去年的時候我的助理就向我們訴發部來提出就反映就是有一頁式的詐騙網站那當時訴發部的回應是要他去找警政署向警政署來反映真的非常的無言那本席希望訴發部接下來對執行防詐的相關政策可以積極來面對可以承諾本席嗎\n\n18\n00:06:44,268 --> 00:07:07,301\n那個報告委員沒錯我們現在就是剛剛講就是說有4個業者是為經濟的業者是我們積極在處理的一個就是剛剛講第三彎致富再來就是網路廣告平台商那這些廣告剛剛講假名的廣告通常是經過網路平台廣告平台商來做這個發佈那在這裡面當然這裡面一個大宗就是Facebook\n\n19\n00:07:07,461 --> 00:07:21,935\n那所以我們有跟Facebook現在就是在做這方面的合作就是希望他能夠我們會有用我們的AI系統去掃描比如說Facebook的所有的網頁看到有詐騙的那個那個像這種假名人的廣告我們會要求他下架\n\n20\n00:07:22,535 --> 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主席有請翁代理主委翁代理主委好\n黃代主委好 主委 詐騙案件還是不斷發生 詐騙集團可以說是無孔不入 利用臉書、LINE、電話、簡訊等工具進行詐騙導致我們國人民眾損失慘重 那詐騙原來成為國人的惡夢還有陰影根據法務部資料統計 臺灣的電信詐騙 電信詐騙從108年的3萬4千多件\n一百一十二年直接暴增到二十二萬九千多件答福這個增幅達到了百分之五百五十七點三十一那今年一到八月那個案件數也來到了十一萬五千多件那代理主委您說您的專長是電信嗎\n那就叫您幾個問題就本席了解去年2月桃園地檢署查獲了不肖的第二類電信業者與詐騙集團合作共發出1193萬封詐騙簡訊甚至還跟中華電信合作的第二類業者將民眾的個資外洩給詐騙集團那由此我們可以知道第二類電信業者已經成為了電信詐騙主要的破口之一\n那面對問題NCC在今年4月發布電信事業用戶號碼使用的管理辦法那第二類電信業者的監管推給合作的第一類電信業者隨後在6月發布的電信事業受理申辦電信服務風險管理機制之一一樣規定合作第一類業者監管第二類電信業者那主委這樣子要求第一類電信業者來管理第二類電信業者請問翁代主委這樣合理嗎\n報告委員我先講一下因為我們對MVMO我們在113年4月26號的電信事業用戶號碼使用管理辦法已經有要求你要做這種用戶號碼批發轉售的要來登記不是就是直接我們會針對MVMO不是經過透過MMO去管MVMO\n第一類電信業者沒有公權力的情況下你認為第二類業者他們會來配合嗎跟委員報告那個MVMO現在是他已經要來登記了假使來登現在要經營MVMO的就是號碼批發傳售的他一定要來登記我們區間裡就直接去管他不會再透過不會透過那個MMO\n那黃建豪委員還有鍾嘉斌委員他們都有分別針對第二類電信業者納管部分提出電信管理修正草案那主委您看過嗎我有看過那您認同嗎我支持現在這種用我們現在用這種MVMO就是透過那個電信號碼是使用管理辦法來管理MVMO\n法制上面更精進就是提就是像宗嘉斌委員他們的提案就是把那個第二類電信再做列管再做列管那本席認為第二類業者應該由主管機關來監管對沒有錯他來登記成為電信事業就是要管\n您會管齁?那希望您能做到但是這一部分就是要我們現在是用那個電信事業用號碼管理辦法來做行政管理那未來假使是說電管法有修的話那更正當再請提供本席素面資料那因為時間的關係主席有請我們訴發部黃部長\n部長好就本席了解我們第三方支付虛擬貨幣已經成為詐騙集團的洗錢工具之一那第三方支付在國內最早可追溯到107年那110年的時候第三方支付就已經當年就有檢察官基層的檢察官要求說\n希望我們相關的主管機關將第三方支付列為特許行業那之後訴發部在111年8月27號掛牌而第三方支付的主管機關就是訴發部那當年詐騙案件數已經突破了16萬件很可惜當時訴發部認為自己的業務只在於推動數位發展那不負責監管的席位最後造成詐騙橫行\n數位經濟是我們納管的一個產業\n希望接下來數位發展部也會嚴格來執行我們會再監管他們那個尤其是剛剛講這個能量登錄就是說第三方支付他要提供這個服務必須通過我們的能量登錄包括資產減額他通過才能夠提供這個服務那我們這個也跟金管會合作就是說他要申請到虛擬帳號必須要經過我們能量登錄才能夠去申請所以這方面的管理現在都在進行中\n有很多委員都提到一夜市廣告那個偽冒名人的詐騙廣告在各大的網路平台都可以看到那近期這些詐騙集團也越來越囂張把他們的觸手都伸到了職棒圈用假帳號抹黑球員還有以利他們來詐騙那導致球團發出聲明要求球員近期不要跟球迷合照那速發部終於在10月10號的時候也推出了網路的詐騙APP通報\n那速發部強調如果公眾人物遭到詐騙集團尾報可以回報速發部那速發部會要求Facebook還有Line、Google、IG等社群平台要求這些這些廣告來下架那本席覺得速發部推出的APP應該是可以有效的來打擊詐騙只是太慢了\n那非要問題那麼嚴重才提出解決的方案那在這邊本席也要跟部長分享一個小故事那去年的時候我的助理就向我們訴發部來提出就反映就是有一頁式的詐騙網站那當時訴發部的回應是要他去找警政署向警政署來反映真的非常的無言那本席希望訴發部接下來對執行防詐的相關政策可以積極來面對可以承諾本席嗎\n那個報告委員沒錯我們現在就是剛剛講就是說有4個業者是為經濟的業者是我們積極在處理的一個就是剛剛講第三彎致富再來就是網路廣告平台商那這些廣告剛剛講假名的廣告通常是經過網路平台廣告平台商來做這個發佈那在這裡面當然這裡面一個大宗就是Facebook\n那所以我們有跟Facebook現在就是在做這方面的合作就是希望他能夠我們會有用我們的AI系統去掃描比如說Facebook的所有的網頁看到有詐騙的那個那個像這種假名人的廣告我們會要求他下架\n那目前我們看到這個效果當然就是詐騙這個最後當然希望是打詐的專法裡面通過之後我們可以用KYC就是使命制來杜絕這個問題但在這個之前我們現在是利用這種通報機制\n看到以後就要求要下架目前大概到目前為止從8月23號到現在用這樣的一個網路這個網路詐騙的通報系統我們他們已經下架大概5萬多筆的這個詐騙廣告所以是有效果但是要到最後效果還是要靠法規來要求實名制那才能完全杜絕這樣的一個假名人廣告的謝謝部長說明希望數法部可以再更積極出動一點我們會積極處理好謝謝謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.544 --> 00:17.471\n謝謝主席主席有請翁代理主委翁代理主委好\n\n00:26.275 --> 00:39.147\n黃代主委好主委詐騙案件還是不斷發生詐騙集團可以說是無孔不入利用臉書、LINE、電話、簡訊等工具進行詐騙導致我們國人民眾損失慘重那詐騙原來成為國人的惡夢還有陰影根據法務部資料統計臺灣的電信詐騙電信詐騙從108年的3萬4千多件\n\n00:49.136 --> 01:05.912\n一百一十二年直接暴增到二十二萬九千多件答福這個增幅達到了百分之五百五十七點三十一那今年一到八月那個案件數也來到了十一萬五千多件那代理主委您說您的專長是電信嗎\n\n01:08.379 --> 01:31.708\n那就叫您幾個問題就本席了解去年2月桃園地檢署查獲了不肖的第二類電信業者與詐騙集團合作共發出1193萬封詐騙簡訊甚至還跟中華電信合作的第二類業者將民眾的個資外洩給詐騙集團那由此我們可以知道第二類電信業者已經成為了電信詐騙主要的破口之一\n\n01:32.228 --> 01:58.988\n那面對問題NCC在今年4月發布電信事業用戶號碼使用的管理辦法那第二類電信業者的監管推給合作的第一類電信業者隨後在6月發布的電信事業受理申辦電信服務風險管理機制之一一樣規定合作第一類業者監管第二類電信業者那主委這樣子要求第一類電信業者來管理第二類電信業者請問翁代主委這樣合理嗎\n\n02:00.288 --> 02:23.982\n報告委員我先講一下因為我們對MVMO我們在113年4月26號的電信事業用戶號碼使用管理辦法已經有要求你要做這種用戶號碼批發轉售的要來登記不是就是直接我們會針對MVMO不是經過透過MMO去管MVMO\n\n02:25.287 --> 02:48.787\n第一類電信業者沒有公權力的情況下你認為第二類業者他們會來配合嗎跟委員報告那個MVMO現在是他已經要來登記了假使來登現在要經營MVMO的就是號碼批發傳售的他一定要來登記我們區間裡就直接去管他不會再透過不會透過那個MMO\n\n02:50.266 --> 03:10.955\n那黃建豪委員還有鍾嘉斌委員他們都有分別針對第二類電信業者納管部分提出電信管理修正草案那主委您看過嗎我有看過那您認同嗎我支持現在這種用我們現在用這種MVMO就是透過那個電信號碼是使用管理辦法來管理MVMO\n\n03:11.835 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