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00:02:21,176\n您知道我從7月4日的晚間接到通報就一直協助他們一直到7月9日的晚間那我怎麼辦呢當時你要知道他是倒其實你要叫消防署我也跟署長聯繫\n\n9\n00:02:38,960 --> 00:03:08,100\n大家怨聲載道阿那六天空汙好可怕又難聞整個島都是煙霧瀰漫非常的可怕那我其實要講的是說我們最近阿像這個在梨山垃圾瀑布經常時有所聞垃圾瀑布在燒特別是在年節更容易燒你看他都還在本島欸在我們還要十天欸所以那個蘭嶼能夠燒個五六天完畢不容易\n\n10\n00:03:08,900 --> 00:03:37,377\n那而且我知道的是當年林佳龍市長他為了這個問題因為我們原住民地區所住的地方都不是在台縣所以當時林佳龍市長有補助公所500萬去做清運的費用讓他們可以送出去好那我其實只是想要問部長您說像這種山林島嶼成堆的垃圾山垃圾瀑布他焚燒之後衍生的這個空污問題我不曉得說因為我們都只有解決\n\n11\n00:03:38,739 --> 00:03:41,006\n那個災害消滅就好但是空污的問題怎麼辦\n\n12\n00:03:42,466 --> 00:04:09,619\n報告委員第一個是蘭嶼或是蘭嶼的問題我們希望未來可以有一個遮棚在這個室內來舉行這個問題就會比較少那至於說這個造成這個空汙或空氣汙染例如說它燃燒那燃燒一定會有短暫的空汙那其實我們環境部大概都會跟地方環保局有一些監測車去監控而且提醒這個民眾當這個淹到哪裡的時候要進行什麼樣的這個庇護的措施我們是有在進行好\n\n13\n00:04:10,419 --> 00:04:33,155\n但是這個都不夠對不夠我說再給我一個報告那我其實要講的就是延續就是這個垃圾瀑布這不是新的名詞其實五六十年前整個原住民部落都是垃圾瀑布然後一下雨就跟著那個山溝垃圾就這樣子污染土地污染下面的水源但是很遺憾\n\n14\n00:04:34,236 --> 00:04:59,807\n現在的這個時代還是看得到垃圾瀑布那就很遺憾了所以我想環境部這個部分一定要盡速的來解決這個問題那我知道的呢像經濟部水利署的北水特分署因為他們那個地方是翡翠水庫供應大台北的水源所以即便那邊的露營場都是違法的可是北水特分署呢他還是能夠自己編錢給區公所\n\n15\n00:05:02,148 --> 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