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00:02:21,782\n你的任務在10月30日結束,11月1日開始在新的委員還沒有選出以前,統一選我們還沒行使以前,那你們以後的運作打詐的處理怎麼辦?\n\n7\n00:02:24,277 --> 00:02:40,086\n跟委員報告因為我們會裡面有一個打詐工作小組是由我們那個主任秘書在負責督導那我們會持續的去做就是有關於現在我們在建立那個165防詐的通報網\n\n8\n00:02:41,167 --> 00:03:08,661\n那也在做那個外勞那個外勞卡的一個那個一個跟警政署跟移民署連結的一個通報網另外就是黑媒卡的處理這一部分我們都會持續盡力做因為那個我們房主任秘書是召集人他如果你沒有任代理主委的話那是誰代理的這我不清楚我就是在這個任內做份做本分的事做本分的事\n\n9\n00:03:10,031 --> 00:03:17,601\n我們的國際的化物從去年到現在本來是5080萬到目前為止只剩下1237萬大概通話率減少了75%是打詐的問題嗎?打詐有成效還是怎麼樣?\n\n10\n00:03:26,810 --> 00:03:39,684\n報告委員這個就是重點因為在112年5月的時候真的每個月平均的國際的電話是5080萬但是到今年8月剩下1200多萬證明這個有75%的電話都是詐騙電話\n\n11\n00:03:48,105 --> 00:04:10,686\n75%的電話都是詐騙電話另外我也跟委員再補充加86的電話本來也有1600多萬通每個月到現在每個月只有40幾萬通那個也是其實那個大部分都是詐騙電話因為我們接過民眾的檢舉齁大部分都是查的結果都是來自國外的電話沒有錯\n\n12\n00:04:12,386 --> 00:04:25,171\n那不知情的民眾常常就誤導了就上當了那你們通常會有沒有做一些宣傳的紙本作業有一些偏遠地區他不見得看電視\n\n13\n00:04:27,304 --> 00:04:54,816\n我們不只就是說我們會去到那個各個那個就是社區那個社區中心去選導這個齁那而且我們的語音警司喔打那個國際電話來還有一個語音警司一通是國際電話要設置不方便對有這樣的訊息好那我知道了王主委你是請回是不是請主席請行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心\n\n14\n00:04:56,121 --> 00:04:58,342\n黃執行秘書好不好,謝謝好,黃執行秘委員好黃執行秘現在有打詐刑事法是這裡面有詐欺犯罪危害防制條例刑事訴訟法通訊保障及監察法洗錢防制法是那\n\n15\n00:05:24,819 --> 00:05:32,929\n這裡面剛才我問了數位發展部的部長是聯合指揮,但是總是要有個執行單位,是不是你們在執行?\n\n16\n00:05:34,663 --> 00:05:58,472\n跟委員報告現在在8月27日行政院就將我們原來的打詐辦公室轉型成為了打詐指揮中心所以現在跨部會的協調還有在未來政策的擬定以及在執法的推動方面都是由打詐指揮中心統一來統整因為有個頭對不對\n\n17\n00:06:00,012 --> 00:06:25,054\n各方面的資料、各部會的資料要收集來以後是送到你們中心是不是?政策面的推動跟由打詐指揮中心來辦理那技術面的話還是由各部會依照業務分工任務執掌來做出那這樣多頭馬車勒?沒有,不會,這個只會做好相關的協調因為事前統一比較重要那各部會收集的資料都會到你們打詐中心來是不是?是的,會的\n\n18\n00:06:27,674 --> 00:06:55,367\n那我了解了,是不是請內政部警政署李副署長好,李副署長好,副署長早我這邊要表揚一下我們連江縣的警察局局長是前幾個禮拜,有一個選民黨要給我\n\n19\n00:06:57,602 --> 00:07:21,158\n他說直接要跟局長見面,局長在百忙之中接見了他接見他以後,就開始布置布置由車手是在台灣,已經被詐騙了差不多幾百萬了最後他大概要一兩百萬,那麼局長就跟檢舉員講,你請他到馬祖來拿\n\n20\n00:07:23,214 --> 00:07:49,179\n後來警察局局長很認真布線在機場就把他逮捕,把車手逮捕而且也承認了像類似的詐騙手法很多但是我們執政的同仁尤其要注意在整個辦案的技巧、技術的執行面這些都非常的重要我特別表揚我們連江縣的警察局局長謝謝委員那麼\n\n21\n00:07:52,864 --> 00:08:12,852\n我們那邊也有很多被詐騙的案子,詐騙一億、兩億、三億都有他詐騙的方式就是去新加坡,比如說我是拿督、賭錢中心去賭、包銀的甚至他還找我一塊去,穩贏不賠\n\n22\n00:08:15,453 --> 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