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00:00:10,205\n二十一條之一條文修正草案案。\n\n2\n00:00:19,407 --> 00:00:37,932\n部長好集會遊行這個惡法是民進黨政府對台灣公民社會做出的莊嚴承諾2008年的時候前總統蔡英文在自由廣場跟整個社會道歉說民進黨過去八年執政時期\n\n3\n00:00:39,412 --> 00:00:40,593\n三條之一條文修正草案案。\n\n4\n00:00:59,688 --> 00:01:26,781\n條文宣告委員有關極有法裡面對於人民的集會結社權上面的一個這個侵犯的部分我們內政部有在審慎的研議當中現在研議的階段到哪裡跟委員報告第一個就是我們以這個所謂的禁制區沒有先不談內容以時間上面來講目前的進度到哪裡很抱歉還是在內政部研議所以內政部打算還要研議多久\n\n5\n00:01:27,923 --> 00:01:43,032\n一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第20次全體委員會議第21次全體委員會議第22次\n\n6\n00:01:51,158 --> 00:01:57,246\n一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n7\n00:02:06,001 --> 00:02:33,197\n這也是當初民進黨黨團當初的幹事長叫做賴清德現在是總統了我來看一下2008年的時候民進黨立院黨團提出集會遊行修正草案黨團幹事長賴清德說說國民黨如果不背革14天內提案變更易成法案近乎二讀\n\n8\n00:02:34,742 --> 00:02:55,792\n當初賴清德喊得很大聲啊他要做什麼他要把它改成第一個報備制第二個取消什麼取消管制區第三個刪除主管機關命令集會遊行解散的權利當初賴清德的三大主張啊現在的賴清德政府有沒有要做我反案都調出來了啦這個是賴清德講的話\n\n9\n00:03:04,701 --> 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00:05:36,000\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n\n16\n00:05:43,271 --> 00:05:45,633\n三條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n17\n00:06:13,581 --> 00:06:36,631\n二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十\n\n18\n00:06:41,817 --> 00:06:43,621\n一條之一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正\n\n19\n00:06:52,014 --> 00:07:16,670\n三條之一條文修正草案案。»:我現在沒有辦法回應,嘿。好,沒有關係,會後回應好不好,會後具體的回應齁,針對有關於內政部在研議集會遊行法相關的審查作業,幾月幾號開了什麼會,做了什麼事,部長現在沒有辦法回應,我尊重嘛,因為現在部長手上沒資料,但會後提供可以嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:17,210 --> 00:07:18,191\n三條之一條文修正草案案案件審查委員審查委員\n\n21\n00:07:33,682 --> 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審查委員審查委員\n453682\t471988\t二十一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第20次全體委員會議第\n479418\t505572\t需要多久?跟大家講一聲沒有這麼難吧?我還是不清楚我需要回去再看一下因為我知道修正了方向但是修正了法條跟哪些部會要做不同的審查沒有關係啦我只是要求他書面回覆我就好了嘛他現在不知道我們給他時間考慮這個我都可以接受書面回覆的時間要多久我只需要這個時間而已\n507250\t508152\t三條之一條文修正草案案。\n","txt":"二十一條之一條文修正草案案。\n部長好集會遊行這個惡法是民進黨政府對台灣公民社會做出的莊嚴承諾2008年的時候前總統蔡英文在自由廣場跟整個社會道歉說民進黨過去八年執政時期\n三條之一條文修正草案案。\n條文宣告委員有關極有法裡面對於人民的集會結社權上面的一個這個侵犯的部分我們內政部有在審慎的研議當中現在研議的階段到哪裡跟委員報告第一個就是我們以這個所謂的禁制區沒有先不談內容以時間上面來講目前的進度到哪裡很抱歉還是在內政部研議所以內政部打算還要研議多久\n一條之一條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議第3次全體委員會議第4次全體委員會議第5次全體委員會議第6次全體委員會議第7次全體委員會議第8次全體委員會議第9次全體委員會議第10次全體委員會議第11次全體委員會議第12次全體委員會議第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第17次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第18次全體委員會議第19次全體委員會議第20次全體委員會議第21次全體委員會議第22次\n一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條\n這也是當初民進黨黨團當初的幹事長叫做賴清德現在是總統了我來看一下2008年的時候民進黨立院黨團提出集會遊行修正草案黨團幹事長賴清德說說國民黨如果不背革14天內提案變更易成法案近乎二讀\n當初賴清德喊得很大聲啊他要做什麼他要把它改成第一個報備制第二個取消什麼取消管制區第三個刪除主管機關命令集會遊行解散的權利當初賴清德的三大主張啊現在的賴清德政府有沒有要做我反案都調出來了啦這個是賴清德講的話\n一條之一條文修正草案案。厲法院公報裡面都有啊還是2008年的賴清德跟2024年的賴清德不一樣了當初的主張現在沒有打算要做了來請教部長\n三條之一條文修正草案案。 »:我剛有跟委員報告過2008年到現在為止確實我們必須要修正但是修正的部分並沒有像原來的提案一樣更何況2008年的提案本來就是借期不續審所以我們把借期不續審當然是借期不續審嘛我現在問的只有根本的署章有沒有改變嗎對所以三個嘛第一個把它改成報備制現在民進黨態度的\n三條之一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修正草案．一、殯葬管理條例第二十一條文修\n一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第三十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例第三十一條文修正草案：一、殯葬管理條例\n三條之一條文修正草案案。netesa 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Tahovecahe等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。\n【詢答及處理；「本案歡迎各直轄市及縣(市)政府提供書面意見」】\n\n二、都市計畫法：\n(一)審查委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(二)審查委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(三)審查委員黃健豪等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(四)審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(五)審查委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n(六)審查委員林沛祥等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(七)審查委員廖先翔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第十九條及第八十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(八)審查委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。\n【本案僅詢答】）","id":155195,"gazette":{"lineno":773,"blocks":[["黃委員國昌：（11時58分）謝謝主席，有請部長。"],["主席：好，請劉部長。"],["劉部長世芳：委員好。"],["黃委員國昌：部長好。修改集會遊行法這個惡法，是民進黨政府對臺灣公民社會做出的莊嚴承諾，2008年的時候，前總統蔡英文在自由廣場跟整個社會道歉，說民進黨過去8年執政時期沒有致力推動集遊法，這是2008年的道歉，講的是2000年到2008年，現在是2024年，請問集遊惡法要廢止或是改為集會遊行保障法的這個承諾，民進黨政府有要實現嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：報告委員，有關集遊法裡面對於人民的集會結社權侵犯的部分，我們內政部有在審慎地研議當中。"],["黃委員國昌：現在研議的階段到哪裡？"],["劉部長世芳：跟委員報告，第一個，所謂的禁制區……"],["黃委員國昌：沒有，先不談內容。以時間上面來講，目前的進度到哪裡？"],["劉部長世芳：很抱歉，還是在內政部研議，因為我們要去……"],["黃委員國昌：所以內政部打算還要研議多久？"],["劉部長世芳：我們可能要比較長一段時間，還有其他的部會……"],["黃委員國昌：所以比較長一段時間是幾年？到2028年嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：我不敢這樣確認。"],["黃委員國昌：對啊，所以就持續跳票下去嘛，我有說錯嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：我想這樣說並不是太公平，就是說……"],["黃委員國昌：這樣講還不是太公平喔？"],["劉部長世芳：因為很多人有不同的意見，所以我們整合上確實遇到困難。"],["黃委員國昌：什麼樣不同的意見？第一個，禁制區要不要廢止？"],["劉部長世芳：禁制區不一定要完全廢止，譬如說，在國防……"],["黃委員國昌：好，第二個，是不是要改成報備制？"],["劉部長世芳：報備制的部分，不一定縣市政府有相同的意見。"],["黃委員國昌：好，來，我們來看一下，當初民進黨黨團的幹事長叫做賴清德，現在是總統。我們來看一下，2008年的時候，民進黨立院黨團提出集會遊行法修正草案，黨團幹事長賴清德說，國民黨如果不杯葛，14天內提案變更議程，法案逕付二讀。當初賴清德喊得很大聲，他要做什麼？第一個，他要改成報備制；第二個，取消什麼？取消管制區；第三個，刪除主管機關命令集會遊行解散的權力。當初賴清德的三大主張啊！現在的賴清德政府有沒有要做？我法案都調出來了，這個是賴清德講的話，在立法院公報裡面都有，還是2008年的賴清德跟2024年的賴清德不一樣了，當初的主張現在沒有打算要做了？來，請教部長。"],["劉部長世芳：我剛剛有跟委員報告過，2008年到現在為止，確實我們必須要修正，但是修正的部分並沒有像原來的提案一樣，更何況2008年的提案本來就是屆期不續審，所以我們把屆期不續審也做了一下重新的評估。"],["黃委員國昌：當然是屆期不續審嘛，我現在問的只有根本的主張有沒有改變嘛！"],["劉部長世芳：現在評估的方向可能跟當時2008年不太一樣。"],["黃委員國昌：對，所以有三個嘛，第一個，把它改成報備制，現在民進黨政府的態度有沒有改變？"],["劉部長世芳：部分同意，部分不同意。"],["黃委員國昌：哪部分同意？哪部分不同意？"],["劉部長世芳：不同意的部分在於我們剛剛所說的，像國防重鎮，或者是有一些尤其像現在兩岸的滲透非常嚴重的狀況之下，我們不希望真正賦予人民權利的集會遊行變成有一些滲透的力量，造成國家安全上面的疑慮。也就是說，我們在考量國家安全的原則上，要做到完全報備制度在目前為止是做不到的。"],["黃委員國昌：對，所以有哪些你要用許可制？"],["劉部長世芳：我剛有跟委員報告，現在在我們內政部研議當中，也必須要請地方政府提供意見。"],["黃委員國昌：OK。刪除主管機關命令集會遊行解散的權力，態度有沒有改變？這都是賴清德當年的主張，現在你說時空環境背景不同嘛，沒有關係，我就請教你，這個主張有沒有改變？"],["劉部長世芳：也是必須要做部分條文的修正。"],["黃委員國昌：如何修正？"],["劉部長世芳：第一個，我們跟警政同仁在討論的過程當中，他們也認為不合法，尤其是有暴力傾向的部分，如果沒有警政機關適時介入的話，恐怕反而會造成不是集會遊行，主要目的以外的暴力事件。"],["黃委員國昌：警政機關介入的法律授權基礎是集遊法嗎？是嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：部分是，部分不是。"],["黃委員國昌：民進黨當初怎麼主張的？自己現在全部都忘了？來，我來給你看看！"],["劉部長世芳：我們是希望有更完整的配套措施。"],["黃委員國昌：當初你前一任的部長林右昌是怎麼講的？林右昌說集會遊行法違憲要廢除，所以他當內政部部長的時候，我就請教他了，問他到底什麼時候要改？林右昌的理由跟你不一樣，他不是說時空環境不一樣，我上次問他的時候，今天你講的理由，林右昌通通都沒有講。他說前幾年因為有疫情，所以我們在研議的時候緩了一點，然後呢？他說6月要送內政部審查，所以現在是在內政部審查的期限範圍內嗎？是嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：現在仍然在內政部沒錯。"],["黃委員國昌：什麼時候送給內政部的？"],["劉部長世芳：什麼？對不起，你說什麼時候送給內政部……"],["黃委員國昌：來、來、來，部長看一下。"],["劉部長世芳：內政部是我們部內在審查。"],["黃委員國昌：林部長右昌說：「我們預計今年6月會送本部的法規審查會和部會來做審查。」所以現在我要問的是，什麼時候進入內政部的法規審查會跟部會審查？這完全是林右昌的話，這個話不是我編出來的。什麼時候？你也不知道？"],["劉部長世芳：我現在沒有辦法回應。"],["黃委員國昌：沒有關係，請會後具體的回應。針對有關於內政部在研議集會遊行法相關的審查作業，幾月幾號開了什麼會、做了什麼事，部長現在沒有辦法回應，我尊重嘛，因為現在部長手上沒資料，但會後提供可以嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：沒有問題。"],["黃委員國昌：沒有問題，順便在書面跟大家解釋一下，內政部還要研議多久？因為民進黨政府研議法案很認真，通常研議超過了8年，提不出任何東西，沒有要做就沒有要做嘛，不要繼續在那邊騙，希望這次您當部長可以完全展現不一樣的風格出來。"],["劉部長世芳：報告黃委員，我剛提到了，這是部分要修正，而不是完全不修正，修正的內容有牽涉到不同部會……"],["黃委員國昌：沒有關係，我等你嘛，你部分要修正的版本什麼時候提出來、需要多久？你跟大家講一聲，沒有這麼難吧？"],["主席：請部長回答，大概什麼時候提出來？"],["黃委員國昌：需要多久？跟大家講一聲沒有這麼難吧？"],["劉部長世芳：我手上沒有資料，沒有辦法做這樣的回應。"],["主席：你要估個時間看什麼時候。"],["劉部長世芳：我還是不清楚，我需要回去再看一下，因為我知道修正的方向，但是修正的法條跟哪些部會要做不同的……"],["主席：你多久可以……"],["黃委員國昌：主席啊，沒有關係啦，我只要求他書面回復我就好了嘛！他現在不知道，我們給他時間考慮，這個我都可以接受，但是書面回復的時間要多久？我只需要這個時間而已。"],["主席：好，請部長回答，書面時間要多久？"],["劉部長世芳：月底之前，好不好？"],["黃委員國昌：好，月底之前，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝黃國昌委員。","接下來請劉建國委員，劉建國委員，劉建國委員沒有到場。","接下來請楊瓊瓔委員。","報告委員會，我們中午不休息，繼續開會。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":164,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-3","speakers":["徐欣瑩","張嘉郡","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","王育敏","丁學忠","許宇甄","廖先翔","林沛祥","黃健豪","王美惠","蘇巧慧","張智倫","麥玉珍","黃建賓","張宏陸","李柏毅","黃捷","牛煦庭","黃國昌","李坤城","吳琪銘","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","廖偉翔","高金素梅","傅崐萁"],"page_start":87,"meetingDate":["2024-10-07"],"gazette_id":"1137901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、殯葬管理條例：(一)審查委員丁學忠等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草\n案」案、( 二 ) 審查委員張嘉郡等29 人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、\n(三)審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)審查委\n員許宇甄等18人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員羅廷瑋等\n17 人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案、 ( 六 ) 審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai\nTahovecahe 等16人擬具「殯葬管理條例第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；二、都市計畫法：\n(一)審查委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)審查委員\n楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)審查委員黃健豪等19人\n擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「都市計\n畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三\n條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)審查委員林沛祥等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十五條條文修正草\n案」案、( 七 ) 審查委員廖先翔等16 人擬具「都市計畫法第十九條及第八十二條條文修正草案」\n案、(八)審查委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「都市計畫法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案【本案僅詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1137901_00004"}}}