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00:01:33,216\n到底大家都喝倒了嗎?那如果沒有那是哪裡卡關呢?特別請部長說明一下謝謝委員關心協同的這個核鮮奶的這個問題確實到目前來講10月4號最後有一家這個總共是事實上是有9個縣市完成訂購的作業那\n\n6\n00:01:52,763 --> 00:02:06,958\n確實因為陳湘種種的因素包括安能保鮮的機制它確實也造成這個地方在整個政策的執行上\n\n7\n00:02:08,779 --> 00:02:29,751\n沒有那麼果斷我想這個都是我們也希望說在未來在推動的時候能夠接近這一個已經在政策沒有執行之前的一些縣市他們的一些做法那我想有一個相當大的困境是原來大概包括我剛才也特別\n\n8\n00:02:31,191 --> 00:02:56,742\n跟其他委員報告日本在這一個部分他是結合營養午餐如果我們現在是營養午餐本來各縣市各學校本來有一些可能也也包含提供了一些鮮乳但我們現在是等於是外加不在營養午餐裡邊的一些規劃裡邊所以他也確實面臨到了一些地線上學校的行政作業上的一些挑戰\n\n9\n00:02:57,682 --> 00:03:21,678\n跟整個政策、涼滑免疫在執行上也面臨上...那我想我先問一個重點啦就是說因為目前國務涵蓋豆漿還沒有決標嘛那我想要知道說如果還沒有決標未來如果又再次流標我們這一段到底要怎麼處理呢因為的確是要解決這些乳糖不適正的孩子也需要補鈣嘛因為重點就是補鈣嘛那這部分我們有沒有一些規劃\n\n10\n00:03:23,408 --> 00:03:30,932\n也感謝委員的一個關心剛才農業部也特別提到像羊奶也是一個可能是一個選項所以我們預計什麼時候會來\n\n11\n00:03:34,065 --> 00:03:56,625\n做好相關的一些後續作業呢?因為我們現在可能萬一就是我剛剛講的萬一還是沒有辦法決標的話是,謝謝委員提醒一直都有在準備啦特別是像豆奶供應商其實我們也繼續尋呢潛在可能廠商那剛剛提到其他的選項包括都羊奶或其他我們也都一直有在準備像羊奶學會我們這禮拜就要跟他們開會所以一直都有在準備這件事\n\n12\n00:03:57,586 --> 00:03:58,147\n請教育部部長\n\n13\n00:04:21,267 --> 00:04:32,123\n次長就是說我們一個先爐離開室溫他如果離開冷藏進到室溫幾、多少時間之內一定要飲用完畢呢?\n\n14\n00:04:34,894 --> 00:04:59,512\n應該這樣說啦其實在鮮乳的部分我們是要求廠商一定要全程冷列運送這是第一點那第二點對於有些學校有冷藏設施的那比較沒問題沒有的話我們是請他要提供那個保冷我了解我的意思是說鮮乳離開冷藏我們多根據營養來說的話健康來說因為食安還是一個很重要的部分所以他大概可以在室溫下保存多久的時間呢\n\n15\n00:05:00,433 --> 00:05:20,445\n我們其實建議在打開之後30分鐘之內全部喝完30分鐘嗎?我們是這樣建議但我想就是說因為鮮乳的忍煉從供應商配送到學校收穫這一段因為我們如果有忍煉來處理的話那當然是沒有問題是有一個很重要的關鍵在於學校收穫到學童飲用的這一段其實學校現在是沒有冷藏設施的\n\n16\n00:05:21,465 --> 00:05:34,427\n還沒有冷藏設施所以這會造成食安上面的一個問題我認為我們這個是一個很好的政策但是我們也必須要去確保說我們的孩子在飲用的這段時間都還是在一個安全的狀態\n\n17\n00:05:36,417 --> 00:06:00,440\n那我想剛剛其實也有很多的委員其實有提到就是說我們可能有鮮乳券啊各種的方式讓小孩可以在一個安全的狀況去使用啦不過我還是想要提醒啦就是像我剛剛在會議上面發言的如果我們只有上到超商給這些鮮乳券的時候那可能就會排擠到我們本土酪農業的一個發展所以我們還是希望說在這個方向我們\n\n18\n00:06:01,321 --> 00:06:27,643\n一定要去積極的思考如何讓我們的小孩可以喝得健康然後也可以要同時保障我們本土農業的一個發展那再來就是我想要這個就延續到就是其實我之前跟教文會我們有去考察這個營養午餐那其實大家都有說偏遠地區的學校他們沒有冷藏冷凍的儲存設備所以造成他們容易斷吹所以這次班班有鮮乳這個政策的話我也希望\n\n19\n00:06:28,263 --> 00:06:56,530\n教育部可以針對偏遠學校的冷凍冷藏設備設施進行全面的盤點跟清查來研擬相關的措施來補助或是幫助這些偏遠地區的學校因為雖然剛剛大家說我有開放很多選擇我有保久爐、我有洋爐、我有什麼很多選擇可是在偏鄉的學校他們是沒有選擇他現在只剩唯一的選擇就是保久爐但是我覺得還是要在這件事情上面我們應該一併的一起來處理讓他至少可以有他是冷藏鮮奶還是保久爐的選擇這部分\n\n20\n00:06:57,910 --> 00:07:20,656\n可以請教育部來想辦法嗎?我想我們會通盤來檢討那可不可以在一個月內也一起把這份報告提送過來我們辦公室呢?那還有就是說因為其實我們這幾年農業部一直有在講要吃在地在地消費啦那其實我想這個部分應該也是可以喝在地啦弱農業是不是也可以來去\n\n21\n00:07:22,417 --> 00:07:42,730\n農業部可以來思考一下如何推廣本土的諾言諾龍要在在地他可以提供給在地的學校好不好那這可能也可以讓小孩子從小就習慣家鄉的在地特色這才能夠回應到你們一開始一直在推的這件事情那最後我想要再根據這件事情再做一個\n\n22\n00:07:46,501 --> 00:07:51,626\n我們剛剛在講這個政策最希望就是有來補充孩子的每日涵蓋攝取量\n\n23\n00:07:53,123 --> 00:08:17,552\n那我看了這一份報告我們國建署的報告國民的營養調查台灣小孩普遍都沒有達到這條黑色線的位置7到12歲小學生是59%那女生大概是49%但是呢青少年喔國中生喔他是36到40%那我就在思考啊我們這個班班喝鮮奶的政策是不是可以在\n\n24\n00:08:18,132 --> 00:08:25,691\n中央邀請各縣市政府來討論之後我們也可以一併的把這個政策延續到國中端的部分\n\n25\n00:08:35,352 --> 00:08:46,679\n這樣的一個目標當然是很好的但是確實以我們現在的供給量跟所有的問題我想我們當前就先把這個目前的一個政策紮紮實實的檢討然後希望能夠落實\n\n26\n00:08:48,740 --> 00:09:11,085\n對所以我的意思是說我們是不是可以在這一段時間我們畢竟已經實行上路了嘛的確出現了非常多的問題那我們解決了這些問題之後我們是不是可以來思考進一步的延伸到我們國中呢因為含鈣量不足這也是一個很大的問題嘛除了這部分所以我是希望說未來可不可以來思考這件事情當然是可以的\n\n27\n00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:22,842\n好,那還有就是說接下來我們就是來看一下這個災損的部分就是在今年7月這個台米的開封它其實造成了非常多的學校受損有361校受損那7766萬台幣大概是770\n\n28\n00:09:29,389 --> 00:09:30,309\n請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席\n\n29\n00:09:58,846 --> 00:10:02,567\n是的那現在的進度呢?現在已經得到行政院的核定了嗎?現在還在審議中現在還在審議中,是因為總預算卡關嗎?是嗎?這是新增預算嗎?是的那我也是還是再次呼籲啦,因為這個新\n\n30\n00:10:24,636 --> 00:10:24,856\n謝謝張雅玲委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3115\t3416\t欸?全校?\n6738\t7018\t委員好\n36698\t41522\t二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃\n54491\t83874\t那我想這是一個非常好對於我們兒童的健康來說是一個非常好的一個政策但是我也看到說根據教育部和農業部今天所提供的書面報告如果以供應品下來說的話目前在國產鮮乳是有3家供應廠商寶九路有4家但是涵蓋豆漿目前還沒有決標那目前已經有7個縣市合計863所學校完成訂購所以我想要知道上路到現在\n84794\t93216\t到底大家都喝倒了嗎?那如果沒有那是哪裡卡關呢?特別請部長說明一下謝謝委員關心協同的這個核鮮奶的這個問題確實到目前來講10月4號最後有一家這個總共是事實上是有9個縣市完成訂購的作業那\n112763\t126958\t確實因為陳湘種種的因素包括安能保鮮的機制它確實也造成這個地方在整個政策的執行上\n128779\t149751\t沒有那麼果斷我想這個都是我們也希望說在未來在推動的時候能夠接近這一個已經在政策沒有執行之前的一些縣市他們的一些做法那我想有一個相當大的困境是原來大概包括我剛才也特別\n151191\t176742\t跟其他委員報告日本在這一個部分他是結合營養午餐如果我們現在是營養午餐本來各縣市各學校本來有一些可能也也包含提供了一些鮮乳但我們現在是等於是外加不在營養午餐裡邊的一些規劃裡邊所以他也確實面臨到了一些地線上學校的行政作業上的一些挑戰\n177682\t201678\t跟整個政策、涼滑免疫在執行上也面臨上...那我想我先問一個重點啦就是說因為目前國務涵蓋豆漿還沒有決標嘛那我想要知道說如果還沒有決標未來如果又再次流標我們這一段到底要怎麼處理呢因為的確是要解決這些乳糖不適正的孩子也需要補鈣嘛因為重點就是補鈣嘛那這部分我們有沒有一些規劃\n203408\t210932\t也感謝委員的一個關心剛才農業部也特別提到像羊奶也是一個可能是一個選項所以我們預計什麼時候會來\n214065\t236625\t做好相關的一些後續作業呢?因為我們現在可能萬一就是我剛剛講的萬一還是沒有辦法決標的話是,謝謝委員提醒一直都有在準備啦特別是像豆奶供應商其實我們也繼續尋呢潛在可能廠商那剛剛提到其他的選項包括都羊奶或其他我們也都一直有在準備像羊奶學會我們這禮拜就要跟他們開會所以一直都有在準備這件事\n237586\t238147\t請教育部部長\n261267\t272123\t次長就是說我們一個先爐離開室溫他如果離開冷藏進到室溫幾、多少時間之內一定要飲用完畢呢?\n274894\t299512\t應該這樣說啦其實在鮮乳的部分我們是要求廠商一定要全程冷列運送這是第一點那第二點對於有些學校有冷藏設施的那比較沒問題沒有的話我們是請他要提供那個保冷我了解我的意思是說鮮乳離開冷藏我們多根據營養來說的話健康來說因為食安還是一個很重要的部分所以他大概可以在室溫下保存多久的時間呢\n300433\t320445\t我們其實建議在打開之後30分鐘之內全部喝完30分鐘嗎?我們是這樣建議但我想就是說因為鮮乳的忍煉從供應商配送到學校收穫這一段因為我們如果有忍煉來處理的話那當然是沒有問題是有一個很重要的關鍵在於學校收穫到學童飲用的這一段其實學校現在是沒有冷藏設施的\n321465\t334427\t還沒有冷藏設施所以這會造成食安上面的一個問題我認為我們這個是一個很好的政策但是我們也必須要去確保說我們的孩子在飲用的這段時間都還是在一個安全的狀態\n336417\t360440\t那我想 剛剛其實也有很多的委員其實有提到就是說我們可能有鮮乳券啊各種的方式讓小孩可以在一個安全的狀況去使用啦不過我還是想要提醒啦就是像我剛剛在會議上面發言的如果我們只有上到超商給這些鮮乳券的時候那可能就會排擠到我們本土酪農業的一個發展所以我們還是希望說在這個方向我們\n361321\t387643\t一定要去積極的思考如何讓我們的小孩可以喝得健康然後也可以要同時保障我們本土農業的一個發展那再來就是我想要這個就延續到就是其實我之前跟教文會我們有去考察這個營養午餐那其實大家都有說偏遠地區的學校他們沒有冷藏冷凍的儲存設備所以造成他們容易斷吹所以這次班班有鮮乳這個政策的話我也希望\n388263\t416530\t教育部可以針對偏遠學校的冷凍冷藏設備設施進行全面的盤點跟清查來研擬相關的措施來補助或是幫助這些偏遠地區的學校因為雖然剛剛大家說我有開放很多選擇我有保久爐、我有洋爐、我有什麼很多選擇可是在偏鄉的學校他們是沒有選擇他現在只剩唯一的選擇就是保久爐但是我覺得還是要在這件事情上面我們應該一併的一起來處理讓他至少可以有他是冷藏鮮奶還是保久爐的選擇這部分\n417910\t440656\t可以請教育部來想辦法嗎?我想我們會通盤來檢討那可不可以在一個月內也一起把這份報告提送過來我們辦公室呢?那還有就是說因為其實我們這幾年農業部一直有在講要吃在地在地消費啦那其實我想這個部分應該也是可以喝在地啦弱農業是不是也可以來去\n442417\t462730\t農業部可以來思考一下如何推廣本土的諾言諾龍要在在地他可以提供給在地的學校好不好那這可能也可以讓小孩子從小就習慣家鄉的在地特色這才能夠回應到你們一開始一直在推的這件事情那最後我想要再根據這件事情再做一個\n466501\t471626\t我們剛剛在講這個政策最希望就是有來補充孩子的每日涵蓋攝取量\n473123\t497552\t那我看了這一份報告我們國建署的報告國民的營養調查台灣小孩普遍都沒有達到這條黑色線的位置7到12歲小學生是59%那女生大概是49%但是呢青少年喔國中生喔他是36到40%那我就在思考啊我們這個班班喝鮮奶的政策是不是可以在\n498132\t505691\t中央邀請各縣市政府來討論之後我們也可以一併的把這個政策延續到國中端的部分\n515352\t526679\t這樣的一個目標當然是很好的但是確實以我們現在的供給量跟所有的問題我想我們當前就先把這個目前的一個政策紮紮實實的檢討然後希望能夠落實\n528740\t551085\t對 所以我的意思是說我們是不是可以在這一段時間我們畢竟已經實行上路了嘛的確出現了非常多的問題那我們解決了這些問題之後我們是不是可以來思考進一步的延伸到我們國中呢因為含鈣量不足這也是一個很大的問題嘛除了這部分所以我是希望說未來可不可以來思考這件事情當然是可以的\n552150\t562842\t好,那還有就是說接下來我們就是來看一下這個災損的部分就是在今年7月這個台米的開封它其實造成了非常多的學校受損有361校受損那7766萬台幣大概是770\n569389\t570309\t請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席\n598846\t602567\t是的那現在的進度呢?現在已經得到行政院的核定了嗎?現在還在審議中現在還在審議中,是因為總預算卡關嗎?是嗎?這是新增預算嗎?是的那我也是還是再次呼籲啦,因為這個新\n624636\t624856\t謝謝張雅玲委員\n","txt":"欸?全校?\n委員好\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃\n那我想這是一個非常好對於我們兒童的健康來說是一個非常好的一個政策但是我也看到說根據教育部和農業部今天所提供的書面報告如果以供應品下來說的話目前在國產鮮乳是有3家供應廠商寶九路有4家但是涵蓋豆漿目前還沒有決標那目前已經有7個縣市合計863所學校完成訂購所以我想要知道上路到現在\n到底大家都喝倒了嗎?那如果沒有那是哪裡卡關呢?特別請部長說明一下謝謝委員關心協同的這個核鮮奶的這個問題確實到目前來講10月4號最後有一家這個總共是事實上是有9個縣市完成訂購的作業那\n確實因為陳湘種種的因素包括安能保鮮的機制它確實也造成這個地方在整個政策的執行上\n沒有那麼果斷我想這個都是我們也希望說在未來在推動的時候能夠接近這一個已經在政策沒有執行之前的一些縣市他們的一些做法那我想有一個相當大的困境是原來大概包括我剛才也特別\n跟其他委員報告日本在這一個部分他是結合營養午餐如果我們現在是營養午餐本來各縣市各學校本來有一些可能也也包含提供了一些鮮乳但我們現在是等於是外加不在營養午餐裡邊的一些規劃裡邊所以他也確實面臨到了一些地線上學校的行政作業上的一些挑戰\n跟整個政策、涼滑免疫在執行上也面臨上...那我想我先問一個重點啦就是說因為目前國務涵蓋豆漿還沒有決標嘛那我想要知道說如果還沒有決標未來如果又再次流標我們這一段到底要怎麼處理呢因為的確是要解決這些乳糖不適正的孩子也需要補鈣嘛因為重點就是補鈣嘛那這部分我們有沒有一些規劃\n也感謝委員的一個關心剛才農業部也特別提到像羊奶也是一個可能是一個選項所以我們預計什麼時候會來\n做好相關的一些後續作業呢?因為我們現在可能萬一就是我剛剛講的萬一還是沒有辦法決標的話是,謝謝委員提醒一直都有在準備啦特別是像豆奶供應商其實我們也繼續尋呢潛在可能廠商那剛剛提到其他的選項包括都羊奶或其他我們也都一直有在準備像羊奶學會我們這禮拜就要跟他們開會所以一直都有在準備這件事\n請教育部部長\n次長就是說我們一個先爐離開室溫他如果離開冷藏進到室溫幾、多少時間之內一定要飲用完畢呢?\n應該這樣說啦其實在鮮乳的部分我們是要求廠商一定要全程冷列運送這是第一點那第二點對於有些學校有冷藏設施的那比較沒問題沒有的話我們是請他要提供那個保冷我了解我的意思是說鮮乳離開冷藏我們多根據營養來說的話健康來說因為食安還是一個很重要的部分所以他大概可以在室溫下保存多久的時間呢\n我們其實建議在打開之後30分鐘之內全部喝完30分鐘嗎?我們是這樣建議但我想就是說因為鮮乳的忍煉從供應商配送到學校收穫這一段因為我們如果有忍煉來處理的話那當然是沒有問題是有一個很重要的關鍵在於學校收穫到學童飲用的這一段其實學校現在是沒有冷藏設施的\n還沒有冷藏設施所以這會造成食安上面的一個問題我認為我們這個是一個很好的政策但是我們也必須要去確保說我們的孩子在飲用的這段時間都還是在一個安全的狀態\n那我想 剛剛其實也有很多的委員其實有提到就是說我們可能有鮮乳券啊各種的方式讓小孩可以在一個安全的狀況去使用啦不過我還是想要提醒啦就是像我剛剛在會議上面發言的如果我們只有上到超商給這些鮮乳券的時候那可能就會排擠到我們本土酪農業的一個發展所以我們還是希望說在這個方向我們\n一定要去積極的思考如何讓我們的小孩可以喝得健康然後也可以要同時保障我們本土農業的一個發展那再來就是我想要這個就延續到就是其實我之前跟教文會我們有去考察這個營養午餐那其實大家都有說偏遠地區的學校他們沒有冷藏冷凍的儲存設備所以造成他們容易斷吹所以這次班班有鮮乳這個政策的話我也希望\n教育部可以針對偏遠學校的冷凍冷藏設備設施進行全面的盤點跟清查來研擬相關的措施來補助或是幫助這些偏遠地區的學校因為雖然剛剛大家說我有開放很多選擇我有保久爐、我有洋爐、我有什麼很多選擇可是在偏鄉的學校他們是沒有選擇他現在只剩唯一的選擇就是保久爐但是我覺得還是要在這件事情上面我們應該一併的一起來處理讓他至少可以有他是冷藏鮮奶還是保久爐的選擇這部分\n可以請教育部來想辦法嗎?我想我們會通盤來檢討那可不可以在一個月內也一起把這份報告提送過來我們辦公室呢?那還有就是說因為其實我們這幾年農業部一直有在講要吃在地在地消費啦那其實我想這個部分應該也是可以喝在地啦弱農業是不是也可以來去\n農業部可以來思考一下如何推廣本土的諾言諾龍要在在地他可以提供給在地的學校好不好那這可能也可以讓小孩子從小就習慣家鄉的在地特色這才能夠回應到你們一開始一直在推的這件事情那最後我想要再根據這件事情再做一個\n我們剛剛在講這個政策最希望就是有來補充孩子的每日涵蓋攝取量\n那我看了這一份報告我們國建署的報告國民的營養調查台灣小孩普遍都沒有達到這條黑色線的位置7到12歲小學生是59%那女生大概是49%但是呢青少年喔國中生喔他是36到40%那我就在思考啊我們這個班班喝鮮奶的政策是不是可以在\n中央邀請各縣市政府來討論之後我們也可以一併的把這個政策延續到國中端的部分\n這樣的一個目標當然是很好的但是確實以我們現在的供給量跟所有的問題我想我們當前就先把這個目前的一個政策紮紮實實的檢討然後希望能夠落實\n對 所以我的意思是說我們是不是可以在這一段時間我們畢竟已經實行上路了嘛的確出現了非常多的問題那我們解決了這些問題之後我們是不是可以來思考進一步的延伸到我們國中呢因為含鈣量不足這也是一個很大的問題嘛除了這部分所以我是希望說未來可不可以來思考這件事情當然是可以的\n好,那還有就是說接下來我們就是來看一下這個災損的部分就是在今年7月這個台米的開封它其實造成了非常多的學校受損有361校受損那7766萬台幣大概是770\n請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席\n是的那現在的進度呢?現在已經得到行政院的核定了嗎?現在還在審議中現在還在審議中,是因為總預算卡關嗎?是嗎?這是新增預算嗎?是的那我也是還是再次呼籲啦,因為這個新\n謝謝張雅玲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.115 --> 00:03.416\n欸?全校?\n\n00:06.738 --> 00:07.018\n委員好\n\n00:36.698 --> 00:41.522\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長陳駿季列席就:「中小學老舊校舍補強、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃方向、整建計畫執行成效及未來規劃\n\n00:54.491 --> 01:23.874\n那我想這是一個非常好對於我們兒童的健康來說是一個非常好的一個政策但是我也看到說根據教育部和農業部今天所提供的書面報告如果以供應品下來說的話目前在國產鮮乳是有3家供應廠商寶九路有4家但是涵蓋豆漿目前還沒有決標那目前已經有7個縣市合計863所學校完成訂購所以我想要知道上路到現在\n\n01:24.794 --> 01:33.216\n到底大家都喝倒了嗎?那如果沒有那是哪裡卡關呢?特別請部長說明一下謝謝委員關心協同的這個核鮮奶的這個問題確實到目前來講10月4號最後有一家這個總共是事實上是有9個縣市完成訂購的作業那\n\n01:52.763 --> 02:06.958\n確實因為陳湘種種的因素包括安能保鮮的機制它確實也造成這個地方在整個政策的執行上\n\n02:08.779 --> 02:29.751\n沒有那麼果斷我想這個都是我們也希望說在未來在推動的時候能夠接近這一個已經在政策沒有執行之前的一些縣市他們的一些做法那我想有一個相當大的困境是原來大概包括我剛才也特別\n\n02:31.191 --> 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所以我的意思是說我們是不是可以在這一段時間我們畢竟已經實行上路了嘛的確出現了非常多的問題那我們解決了這些問題之後我們是不是可以來思考進一步的延伸到我們國中呢因為含鈣量不足這也是一個很大的問題嘛除了這部分所以我是希望說未來可不可以來思考這件事情當然是可以的"},{"start":552.15,"end":562.842,"text":"好,那還有就是說接下來我們就是來看一下這個災損的部分就是在今年7月這個台米的開封它其實造成了非常多的學校受損有361校受損那7766萬台幣大概是770"},{"start":569.389,"end":570.309,"text":"請教育部部長鄭英耀、行政院主計總處、國家發展委員會列席"},{"start":598.846,"end":602.567,"text":"是的那現在的進度呢?現在已經得到行政院的核定了嗎?現在還在審議中現在還在審議中,是因為總預算卡關嗎?是嗎?這是新增預算嗎?是的那我也是還是再次呼籲啦,因為這個新"},{"start":624.636,"end":624.856,"text":"謝謝張雅玲委員"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":3,"tmpMeeting":null,"committees":[22],"term":11,"id":"委員會-11-2-22-3","title":"第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議","type":"委員會"},"會議時間":"2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"12:58:35 - 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