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00:00:56,154\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n\n4\n00:01:07,162 --> 00:01:10,423\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長\n\n5\n00:01:26,650 --> 00:01:55,355\n要如何全台是否全面落實這個部分還有根據農業部提出的素面報告鮮乳保鮮是由乳品紮工廠這邊提出的保冷袋我這邊有幾個問題要請教報告書中提到輸運過程需要GCAP揮發確保溫度要在7度以下\n\n6\n00:01:57,215 --> 00:02:23,262\n並提供保冷袋的保持冷藏的效果但這樣的冷鏈物流在實際的操作中是否百分之百保證全程符合的標準還有特別提供到偏鄉地區的學校輸暈隔過程也很長可能面臨溫度的控制還有就是\n\n7\n00:02:24,322 --> 00:02:32,105\n二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長\n\n8\n00:02:44,001 --> 00:02:59,212\n謝謝委員關心學童營養也支持我們本土的弱農產業那這件事情是這樣就是說其實在衛福部對於鮮乳的保存其實不只在製造部分它在運送的過程都要能練這是在運送過程\n\n9\n00:03:01,915 --> 00:03:27,154\n保冷袋的部分只是在他離開他的運輸車之後拿下來在學校因為有些學校有的有冷藏設施因為台灣大概也有七八個縣市其實已經有提供每週給學童喝一到兩次鮮乳的經驗所以學校其實也有這樣的有些部分但有些確實是沒有冷藏設施的所以我們的要求廠商你必須要提供保冷袋\n\n10\n00:03:27,814 --> 00:03:45,738\n讓至少可以在外面保存兩個鐘頭這是第一點那為了食農教育也是為了安全我們知道什麼東西在什麼時候吃是最好的也是最安全的所以我們是建議打開之後在30分鐘之內就把它喝完不要分次放很久或者事實上也避免會有一些食物安全的問題以上\n\n11\n00:03:46,959 --> 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