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00:01:05,439\n還是你是6%之人沒有沒有我當然說過但是就是要試詐就是要是詐騙就但是不是每一個人都可以像您一樣能夠試詐這就是因為詐騙的原因嘛但我們應該要用苦民所苦用民眾的角度去看這個事情我想今天很多的委員也有問部長有關速發部發展的這個反詐騙通報APP這個事情網路上已經罵聲連連部長你知道這件事情嗎\n\n4\n00:01:06,226 --> 00:01:20,459\n那個報告委員這個是網路的我們說的Beta版就車子網路詐騙查詢法是個Beta版但是就一個測試版所以我們公開就是讓民眾測試然後給一些意見回來我們可以再做精進跟修改那這個APP大概花了多少錢一千多萬\n\n5\n00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:35,994\n一千多萬一千多萬給我一塊錢都不用我用Google表單馬上做到給你一千多萬我想數法部坐領了這麼多的預算現在做了一個Beta被罵聲連連Google表單都做得比你好\n\n6\n00:01:36,815 --> 00:01:51,846\nGoogle表單要錢嗎?如果只是一個填表填資料有需要花到人民納稅錢這麼多嗎?我們心中自有一把尺開發了一個網友覺得無用的APP現在告訴我們是Beta版我要告訴大家\n\n7\n00:01:52,726 --> 00:02:16,341\n這些真的能夠符合民眾的需求嗎?無法做到實質性的預防甚至能夠協助受理案件幫忙後續來幫忙封查這些帳號甚至是未來的可疑性帳號能夠來通報我們都沒有看到這個APP有實際的作為這樣子要花一千多萬徹底能夠來杜絕詐騙的決心我沒有看到\n\n8\n00:02:17,141 --> 00:02:30,289\n實際看到這個APP上面顯示的金融投資APP已經通報了網路詐騙當中是最多的壓倒性案件再來可以看到一個月統計最奇怪的一件事情看新聞上面寫說已通報的疑似詐騙案件5.5萬條\n\n9\n00:02:32,310 --> 00:02:35,113\n其中2.7萬條以確認為詐騙確認非詐騙訊息為1.2萬則其餘可能是高風險的訊息善待處理還有重要性低等訊息但我實際下載這個APP卻很奇怪的訊息狀況\n\n10\n00:02:49,108 --> 00:03:05,155\n速發部剛出的時候我就下載了這個APP當時的總數的確是5.5萬左右我也不疑有它就沒有截圖可是在昨天下午4點18分我查看的時候啊發現疑似詐騙訊息的總數卻變成了53926跟原本的5.5萬條總數搭不上原則來說應該會變多怎麼我們的詐騙案件會變少啊\n\n11\n00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:21,846\n這真的實在是太奇怪了在4點27分的時候數字突然又變成了5395830分又多了兩個變成53960是系統有問題還是什麼狀況這些都影響民眾對於詐騙通報APP的信任部長您認為這個數據上面的落差有什麼問題那個數據我們再回去檢查一下不過那個我們請那個組長報告\n\n12\n00:03:44,124 --> 00:04:12,871\n報告委員因為這個你談的時間因為他每個時間在遞現在其實因為每個民眾都要下架在通報通報其實這過程中都會後台其實我們會給NINE跟META他們都會移除一個一個月把它下架掉所以這時間點會一個一個往後移然後其實目前來講的話像之前最早最早高峰大概每週大概有8萬筆的這樣子的這個詐騙的訊息但現在目前來講每週大概會降到大概1萬多筆左右\n\n13\n00:04:13,131 --> 00:04:19,136\n另外分類在該框裡面可以看到目前資訊上不足以判斷的數字是0請速發部說明為什麼是0因為按照常理來說或多或少都會有一些難以判斷的個案尤其是你們案件量這麼大為什麼這個類別卻可以是0還是只是色好看的\n\n14\n00:04:44,654 --> 00:04:58,440\n這裏面的一些功能跟一些數據當然我們還需要繼續的精進但是就是說這個東西確實也讓我們在過去下架5萬多筆的假廣告所以確實有達到它的一個下架廣告的效果而且我們這個系統\n\n15\n00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:14,010\n為什麼要花這麼多錢?因為我們要跟後面跟臉書跟跟剛剛講Google去連接然後這個一些通報通報他們自動通報他們請他們下架那後面我們這個東西要確認是一個加廣一個詐騙訊息我們還要跟各部會做這樣的一個協調跟跟認證確認所以這後面有個蠻複雜的一個\n\n16\n00:05:18,353 --> 00:05:37,263\n市長我想你們都利益良善沒有人會去怪罪但是問題就是出在我們看到實際的東西出來以後不符合社會期待到底速發部對於我們現在APP上面具體的查核機制有哪些哪些指標會被用來判斷一些是訊息的危險性預估會有多長時間完成篩選和處理這個有沒有具體的時間表\n\n17\n00:05:38,163 --> 00:06:04,646\n建單之後大約多少可以完成24小時48小時還是一週我們都很期待速度越來越快透過AI科技透過這些東西通報以後能不能趕緊的受理通報每一個案件這是我們目前所期待的目前Meta佔大多數的通報案件Line的通報卻只有139筆可見我收到許多的詞情都是Line的群組在做投資詐騙可是現在這裡看到的是只有139筆\n\n18\n00:06:06,047 --> 00:06:06,067\n好﹗\n\n19\n00:06:25,472 --> 00:06:52,306\n那我希望這個部分我們要繼續彙整而且後續的改善方案你能夠在本席回應你們的資料讓我來追蹤一下因為我對這個部分我是非常大的意見如何能夠快速且有效的協助民眾通報後續攔截這是我們最重要的如何處理這些大數據能夠來趕快分類這也是我們希望民眾看到的最後我想問一下警政署本席最近接到一個陳情的案件利用回收舊衣服\n\n20\n00:06:52,766 --> 00:06:54,307\n目前每個地方好像都有類似的一個詐騙\n\n21\n00:07:17,577 --> 00:07:43,864\n包括其實網路也有使用本席的影片引導民眾加入代工群組然後告訴他們代工錢要投資這其實我們都有相關的報案資料我們還是希望警政署能夠把這一類的案件趕快統整出來配合速發部事後能夠幫忙剛剛說的市詐來做大幅度的宣傳甚至是攔截甚至是來一網打盡我想這個警政署責無旁貸一起來努力是謝謝謝謝趙偉\n\n22\n00:07:46,738 --> 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