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00:01:40,114\n這個這個鮮乳應該是更好的吧跟那個口味啦營養啦健康跟我們來講當然都會選擇薄酒乳那問題就是不安心嘛問題就是鮮乳很棒但是呢就不安心啦那不安心的問題就是我們現在推出這個政策太充足嘛那配套措施沒有到位嘛\n\n5\n00:01:40,914 --> 00:02:01,288\n那另外一個鮮乳是一個危險的東西喔基本上是一個危險的東西喔那我們在思考這個政策的時候我覺得行政院最近很多農業的一些過剩或者是滯銷的東西喔都來找很多單位像我們之前有班班有實班\n\n6\n00:02:02,483 --> 00:02:02,643\n主席主席\n\n7\n00:02:24,758 --> 00:02:49,543\n我們不會想是說現在哪裡有鮮奶過剩的問題,或者什麼需要,或者是紐西蘭的這個扣關的壓力,所以我們必須要來應付一下,應該都不是這樣的問題吧,是嗎?是。所以呢,這一個應該是一個長期政策,但是我們用短期的措施,一樣的在應付前面的衝突的上來。\n\n8\n00:02:50,763 --> 00:03:15,112\n所以這個我想剛才大家提到很多的困難、冷戀的問題、倉儲的問題其實你這個如果所有的小學都喝鮮奶這個是一個很大的商機這個很大的商機你只要有商機所有的商家剛才講那些的困難他都有辦法解決\n\n9\n00:03:16,431 --> 00:03:32,448\n都不用擔心啦但是千年不要外行搞內行啦很多學校的不要自己去搞一大堆這種東西搞得半吊子這樣子越搞越危險啦這是一個要很小心處理的問題所以有沒有整套計畫\n\n10\n00:03:35,623 --> 00:03:52,309\n包括我剛剛講的冷業那種超商那個偏鄉都可以賣牛奶的啦所以他們沒有問題問題是我們有沒有跟農業部跟酪農我們有沒有政府要整合一下嘛農業跟這個有沒有這麼大的上機我們的酪農的這一種輔導計畫\n\n11\n00:03:54,910 --> 00:04:08,124\n有沒有整個的推廣,如果教育部提供這麼大的商機,他們會不會很積極的想要去處理好這個事情?好,所以呢,因為我還有其他問題,是不是可以請教育部一個月提供給我一個你對這個鮮乳計畫的長期計畫的構想,可以嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:14,753 --> 00:04:18,454\n這件事就是營養三法的最後一里路像剛才講的那個牛奶一定要跟營養午餐併在一起處理你那個小孩子\n\n13\n00:04:43,078 --> 00:05:12,347\n不是吃飯時間你給他拿一瓶鮮奶你想你非常危險的啦小孩子晚了忘記超過剛才講半個小時要喝掉他如果到一個小時喝了瀉肚子誰要負責任嘛所以呢我要講的一個就是為什麼我要問教育部我們的營養午餐共餐法現在很多大家都一直在等教育部的版本現在什麼時候可以提出來\n\n14\n00:05:14,546 --> 00:05:26,720\n我們確實現在我們也在這個在研議相關的一些還在研你進度什麼時候那個部長可以請問你要幾年啊\n\n15\n00:05:30,203 --> 00:05:50,572\n半年、一年、三年跟委員報告目前我們在研議的過程中地方政府在尤其偏鄉地區還有人員禁用大概有價格機制三個議題上大家還在磋商中我們會盡快的送到行政院之後一起來審議我們這個已經耽誤30年了\n\n16\n00:05:54,394 --> 00:05:55,735\n現在一樣是不知道什麼狀況,是不是?\n\n17\n00:06:25,883 --> 00:06:51,891\n第三個問題剛才講那個營養餐是一個非常重要的問題決心的問題啦要有這個決心解決的問題再的話也很謝謝我再推動的壯世代教育部對於這一個第三人生大學我們8月12號的時候在辦那個壯世代的公聽會那個林次長他有代表出席\n\n18\n00:06:53,371 --> 00:07:15,017\n我還是要感謝他,他四個小時都沒有離開,非常投入最後他還做了一個承諾,他還講說這個年底,今年的年底會發布,教育部會發布第三人生大學的試辦計畫那我現在請問這個部長目前的進度如何,能夠如期的發布嗎?\n\n19\n00:07:17,572 --> 00:07:41,514\n我們基本上是朝那個方向在努力就是方向年底可以發布嗎我們年底會公告這個事辦的一個計畫然後114年的上半年就會進行這個說明會跟審查作業然後114學年度就開始會有一個小規模的下個學年度就會開始招生這樣子\n\n20\n00:07:43,435 --> 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我想剛才大家提到很多的困難、冷戀的問題、倉儲的問題其實你這個 如果所有的小學都喝鮮奶 這個是一個很大的商機這個很大的商機 你只要有商機 所有的商家剛才講那些的困難 他都有辦法解決\n都不用擔心啦但是千年不要外行搞內行啦很多學校的不要自己去搞一大堆這種東西搞得半吊子這樣子越搞越危險啦這是一個要很小心處理的問題所以有沒有整套計畫\n包括我剛剛講的冷業那種超商那個偏鄉都可以賣牛奶的啦所以他們沒有問題問題是我們有沒有跟農業部跟酪農我們有沒有政府要整合一下嘛農業跟這個有沒有這麼大的上機我們的酪農的這一種輔導計畫\n有沒有整個的推廣,如果教育部提供這麼大的商機,他們會不會很積極的想要去處理好這個事情?好,所以呢,因為我還有其他問題,是不是可以請教育部一個月提供給我一個你對這個鮮乳計畫的長期計畫的構想,可以嗎?\n這件事就是營養三法的最後一里路像剛才講的那個牛奶一定要跟營養午餐併在一起處理你那個小孩子\n不是吃飯時間你給他拿一瓶鮮奶你想你非常危險的啦小孩子晚了忘記超過剛才講半個小時要喝掉他如果到一個小時喝了瀉肚子誰要負責任嘛所以呢我要講的一個就是為什麼我要問教育部我們的營養午餐共餐法現在很多大家都一直在等教育部的版本現在什麼時候可以提出來\n我們確實現在我們也在這個在研議相關的一些還在研你進度什麼時候那個部長可以請問你要幾年啊\n半年、一年、三年跟委員報告目前我們在研議的過程中地方政府在尤其偏鄉地區還有人員禁用大概有價格機制三個議題上大家還在磋商中我們會盡快的送到行政院之後一起來審議我們這個已經耽誤30年了\n現在一樣是不知道什麼狀況,是不是?\n第三個問題剛才講那個營養餐是一個非常重要的問題決心的問題啦要有這個決心解決的問題再的話也很謝謝我再推動的壯世代教育部對於這一個第三人生大學我們8月12號的時候在辦那個壯世代的公聽會那個林次長他有代表出席\n我還是要感謝他,他四個小時都沒有離開,非常投入最後他還做了一個承諾,他還講說這個年底,今年的年底會發布,教育部會發布第三人生大學的試辦計畫那我現在請問這個部長目前的進度如何,能夠如期的發布嗎?\n我們基本上是朝那個方向在努力就是方向年底可以發布嗎我們年底會公告這個事辦的一個計畫然後114年的上半年就會進行這個說明會跟審查作業然後114學年度就開始會有一個小規模的下個學年度就會開始招生這樣子\nOK 記錄起來我們很期待看到教育部因為很多學校在等而且想要響應像華灣大學現在已經開始有了嘛他的平均大一的學生就五十幾歲了我們也感謝委員的一個關心這個壯世代的一個學習跟許多的一些相關的一些政策的推動\n那環環當時事實上也是教育部這一個合訂的一個計畫所以看起來是可行吧在未來的一個大學我們也希望在許多大學他可能要有更積極的對未來的學生聲援的一些想像不要只是在想18歲18歲終究每年只有大概15萬到17、8萬嘛但是30歲以後我們其實有更大的一個期待\n至少有一千萬以上的一個可能可以在未來的一個重回終生學習的這樣一個學習的一個這個自我成長或者他公主或者是很高興看到教育部有開有這樣大就也可以解決少子化大學的危機嘛然後給大學的一個發展的路那最後是不是因為大家非常的關注我們有很多因為壯士代是很個全面現在\n行政院陳時中政委主持的這個壯士大學跨部會小組本來是6個部會後來發展到有13個部會加入那這個教育部教育在這裡是半年非常核心的就是給這些人裝備好他才開始有辦法去就業好啦發展這個經濟也好這教育部\n請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長鄭英耀及農業部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.011 --> 00:08.616\n有請教育部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長鄭英耀及農業部部長\n\n00:26.374 --> 00:39.423\n立法院難得有這麼有趣的一個議題,應該是一件很好的事情,看了先如就很開心,但是為什麼好像質詢得這麼的沉重?部長覺得為什麼這麼好的事情為什麼會變得這麼沉重?\n\n00:47.572 --> 01:10.684\n應該說大家都希望對這個政策是肯定的是有價值的但是在執行過程我想我們行政上還有可以更精進的我想這是我們願意悉心來檢討這個鮮爐但是根據這個調查看起來多七八成的學校都選擇要用薄酒爐\n\n01:14.245 --> 01:40.114\n這個這個鮮乳應該是更好的吧跟那個口味啦營養啦健康跟我們來講當然都會選擇薄酒乳那問題就是不安心嘛問題就是鮮乳很棒但是呢就不安心啦那不安心的問題就是我們現在推出這個政策太充足嘛那配套措施沒有到位嘛\n\n01:40.914 --> 02:01.288\n那另外一個鮮乳是一個危險的東西喔基本上是一個危險的東西喔那我們在思考這個政策的時候我覺得行政院最近很多農業的一些過剩或者是滯銷的東西喔都來找很多單位像我們之前有班班有實班\n\n02:02.483 --> 02:02.643\n主席主席\n\n02:24.758 --> 02:49.543\n我們不會想是說現在哪裡有鮮奶過剩的問題,或者什麼需要,或者是紐西蘭的這個扣關的壓力,所以我們必須要來應付一下,應該都不是這樣的問題吧,是嗎?是。所以呢,這一個應該是一個長期政策,但是我們用短期的措施,一樣的在應付前面的衝突的上來。\n\n02:50.763 --> 03:15.112\n所以這個我想剛才大家提到很多的困難、冷戀的問題、倉儲的問題其實你這個如果所有的小學都喝鮮奶這個是一個很大的商機這個很大的商機你只要有商機所有的商家剛才講那些的困難他都有辦法解決\n\n03:16.431 --> 03:32.448\n都不用擔心啦但是千年不要外行搞內行啦很多學校的不要自己去搞一大堆這種東西搞得半吊子這樣子越搞越危險啦這是一個要很小心處理的問題所以有沒有整套計畫\n\n03:35.623 --> 03:52.309\n包括我剛剛講的冷業那種超商那個偏鄉都可以賣牛奶的啦所以他們沒有問題問題是我們有沒有跟農業部跟酪農我們有沒有政府要整合一下嘛農業跟這個有沒有這麼大的上機我們的酪農的這一種輔導計畫\n\n03:54.910 --> 04:08.124\n有沒有整個的推廣,如果教育部提供這麼大的商機,他們會不會很積極的想要去處理好這個事情?好,所以呢,因為我還有其他問題,是不是可以請教育部一個月提供給我一個你對這個鮮乳計畫的長期計畫的構想,可以嗎?\n\n04:14.753 --> 04:18.454\n這件事就是營養三法的最後一里路像剛才講的那個牛奶一定要跟營養午餐併在一起處理你那個小孩子\n\n04:43.078 --> 05:12.347\n不是吃飯時間你給他拿一瓶鮮奶你想你非常危險的啦小孩子晚了忘記超過剛才講半個小時要喝掉他如果到一個小時喝了瀉肚子誰要負責任嘛所以呢我要講的一個就是為什麼我要問教育部我們的營養午餐共餐法現在很多大家都一直在等教育部的版本現在什麼時候可以提出來\n\n05:14.546 --> 05:26.720\n我們確實現在我們也在這個在研議相關的一些還在研你進度什麼時候那個部長可以請問你要幾年啊\n\n05:30.203 --> 05:50.572\n半年、一年、三年跟委員報告目前我們在研議的過程中地方政府在尤其偏鄉地區還有人員禁用大概有價格機制三個議題上大家還在磋商中我們會盡快的送到行政院之後一起來審議我們這個已經耽誤30年了\n\n05:54.394 --> 05:55.735\n現在一樣是不知道什麼狀況,是不是?\n\n06:25.883 --> 06:51.891\n第三個問題剛才講那個營養餐是一個非常重要的問題決心的問題啦要有這個決心解決的問題再的話也很謝謝我再推動的壯世代教育部對於這一個第三人生大學我們8月12號的時候在辦那個壯世代的公聽會那個林次長他有代表出席\n\n06:53.371 --> 07:15.017\n我還是要感謝他,他四個小時都沒有離開,非常投入最後他還做了一個承諾,他還講說這個年底,今年的年底會發布,教育部會發布第三人生大學的試辦計畫那我現在請問這個部長目前的進度如何,能夠如期的發布嗎?\n\n07:17.572 --> 07:41.514\n我們基本上是朝那個方向在努力就是方向年底可以發布嗎我們年底會公告這個事辦的一個計畫然後114年的上半年就會進行這個說明會跟審查作業然後114學年度就開始會有一個小規模的下個學年度就會開始招生這樣子\n\n07:43.435 --> 08:07.102\nOK記錄起來我們很期待看到教育部因為很多學校在等而且想要響應像華灣大學現在已經開始有了嘛他的平均大一的學生就五十幾歲了我們也感謝委員的一個關心這個壯世代的一個學習跟許多的一些相關的一些政策的推動\n\n08:07.842 --> 08:35.660\n那環環當時事實上也是教育部這一個合訂的一個計畫所以看起來是可行吧在未來的一個大學我們也希望在許多大學他可能要有更積極的對未來的學生聲援的一些想像不要只是在想18歲18歲終究每年只有大概15萬到17、8萬嘛但是30歲以後我們其實有更大的一個期待\n\n08:36.480 --> 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