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00:02:43,652\n給了他什麼處分各位報告我們會在會計室的這個正確的這些資料查核的資料做一併的處理什麼時候要處理這個會計室的資料會在10月底之前奇怪你聽不懂喔不用等會計師啊現在就已經確認有假的單據啊部長也說了啊不是錢捉回來就沒事啊你們還要拖多久還是迷你主席背後政治靠山很大\n\n8\n00:02:44,775 --> 00:03:10,976\n不敢處理,是這樣嗎?需要多久?需要多久?我想我們還是在會計師的資料全面了解之後,我們一定會做行政的...沒關係啊!我會持續追下去啊!我們大家等著看啊!看這些協會,是不是背後有政治人物撐腰啊!我體育署軟趴趴啊!軟得快要跪下去了!\n\n9\n00:03:12,113 --> 00:03:38,687\n部長可不可以承諾這件事情一定追究責任到底我想是的因為有任何的違法我想我們一定會依法來追究到底對嘛當你們自己就承認有違法了嘛不要講空話啦具體的行動我今天利用質詢的時間在幫一些選手還有選手的家長請命冰球協會來先看一下2016年U18賽事就乍臨補助\n\n10\n00:03:43,001 --> 00:04:01,914\n法院的判決都出來了這個我相信體育署都有掌握啦要不然體育署在管這些協會是在管假的那現在他不是只有2016那個事情喔英俄在在俄山食髓之味完全沒有任何嚇阻的作用2019年冰島\n\n11\n00:04:03,815 --> 00:04:19,211\n世界U20冰球錦標賽我們的體育署補助了39萬機票國際冰球總會補助交通費66萬結果每個選手大家花4萬塊去買機票每個人只拿到1萬塊來請問一下副組長這是怎麼回事\n\n12\n00:04:23,598 --> 00:04:37,426\n這部分是不是容我們回去再了解好回去好好了解上一次有媒體披露這件事情主席不好意思我只接一分鐘把最後要講的說完就好那最後一分鐘好就最後一分鐘謝謝主席\n\n13\n00:04:39,307 --> 00:04:57,112\n當初2021年有教練家長反應結果你們體育署很會打官腔說單據核銷都合乎規定有嗎?有嗎?請你們回去了解清楚我為什麼說有嗎?來看一下U20體育署補助的金額39萬339萬3你們在上面報的\n\n14\n00:05:09,329 --> 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