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00:02:17,357\n還有很多同學的影片都上傳了那像這樣子的話不知道坦白講我當時找不到一個直接可以處理我要找衛福部的兒少全法來做處理嗎?沒有我還是要找疑似網路主管機關的數發部還是要找NCC的網際網路傳播辦公室兩位我想請教一下我到底要找誰來處理這件事情\n\n7\n00:02:19,429 --> 00:02:42,936\n報告委員我們是按照兒少法46條有設立一個就是去有一個防範的機制那那個機制Iwin他就是對於避免兒少去接觸到妨害身心的內容謝謝主委的確最後我只能早上Iwin可是因為我們不是當事人還申訴過程當中遇到不少阻礙\n\n8\n00:02:44,176 --> 00:02:45,577\n所以想問部長你是產業主管請問一下這一題你怎麼看?\n\n9\n00:03:08,194 --> 00:03:28,764\n我們跟GoogleMeta其實因為是網路廣告平台如果是網路廣告的詐欺的那種廣告我們都會直接要求他下架可是今天這個不是詐欺可是也是把孩子的資訊全部都漏漏當然我覺得教育部有些責任在老師為什麼會外流可是也要問的是說那上傳到網路上的時候到底誰要管\n\n10\n00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:50,698\n包委這個因為現在的兒少法46條我們是採取自律我們會透過多方利害關係人來多方利害關係人的制度來做一些做出一個歷史框架主委你說講自律那就表示這些有沒有自律否則為什麼大量湧進\n\n11\n00:03:51,619 --> 00:04:05,986\n學生體育的作業裡邊那都沒有辦法去處理來下一頁這個第二個案例讓我更憤怒因為當數法部透過合法的審查放行讓手遊進入到臺灣營運的時候2024年我們的手機遊戲市場規模到12.7億美元相當於臺幣的413億結果我們政府呢\n\n12\n00:04:15,451 --> 00:04:35,262\n只開了前門說歡迎光臨可是有些人是如果透過這遊戲內容進行不法手段我們竟然就是等出事的時候再來處理根本就說緩不濟急那提供平台的業者難道都不需要負任何的監管自律義務嗎他不自律你也沒對他有什麼辦法下一頁\n\n13\n00:04:37,611 --> 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