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00:01:45,777\n這個會有預期心理啊所以其實工業電廠在這次漲14%這已經累積這三年來漲了66.27%我想這個心態上會有預期在漲也有可能會有預防性的轉嫁的效果導致一次漲足推升這個物價我要請次長密切的注意這樣的預期心理喔那\n\n6\n00:01:47,681 --> 00:02:04,620\n經濟部也預估說這次你們說0.03%可是其實你剛剛提到這數字我是覺得不是很合理啊第一個官方統計數據通常都低估喔更何況0.03是指今年對物價的影響現在已經10月了那有沒有對明年預估應該要比較合理吧這方面有估算嗎\n\n7\n00:02:05,607 --> 00:02:28,798\n我們會再估算所以目前沒有這方面的估算對不過我們整體來看其實它對就是因為有一些條件的動漲或漲一半或是有一些產業它其實是因為目的世界主管機關的有一些補貼給這個台電所以我想我們整體的考量尤其又是這個一些住戶或小店家都不漲的情況之下應該對整體物價來講應該是有限的\n\n8\n00:02:30,279 --> 00:02:59,234\n我想這個次長我覺得這個0.03應該是低估了其實我也想要請問一下我們國發會主委你也是這個評估主委好我想你也是評估這個通膨的單位首長颱風過後這個農漁業的產品的災損之後造成價格上升請問農委有沒有和農委會討論一些物價穩定的措施另外這個九月份的核心通膨率目前是\n\n9\n00:02:59,714 --> 00:03:14,266\n人在1.82%總體的通膨率大概是2.5可是10月份還有電價調漲的因素明年開始又有調整基本工資所以我想要問部長是不是這個真正的通膨怪獸會在10月份之後才會來呢\n\n10\n00:03:16,688 --> 00:03:45,268\n這個是有分成短期因素跟長期因素我先跟您報告一下我們現在是有一個物價督導小組我們會針對物價的波動這是核心通膨以外的通膨是屬於高波動性的像黃小玉、黃豆、小麥、玉米這些我們現在都有定期偵測包括雞蛋等等還有麵粉那的確短期目前看起來是問題不是那麼大但長期的確國際行情有一點小風險\n\n11\n00:03:46,745 --> 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