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00:03:25,185\n所以根本就不會有不滿的存在所以請教一下我們也所以要請劉部長不要再打假球了也拜託我們的卓院長\n\n10\n00:03:27,065 --> 00:03:28,746\n首先向委員報告體育署升格\n\n11\n00:03:48,551 --> 00:04:05,131\n這個不是這樣的講法這是一個全新的體育部體育部不是由體育署來升格的所以它是一個完全新概念新組織新的政策新的策略新的面對國人的一個全新的體育部所以體育署並沒有升格的問題\n\n12\n00:04:06,132 --> 00:04:26,699\n那體育部如果大院同意我們在組織調整之後體育部將來成立之後還有很多學校教育的體育工作還是要有專責的機關來做那現在這個部分我們還在討論當中那至於新住民的這個組織的權益那麼請部長來說明\n\n13\n00:04:28,921 --> 00:04:56,662\n謝謝麥委員的關心我想我完全沒有打假球我們在好幾次的這個對談當中都有跟麥委員報告我們根據行政院的組織架構跟中央行政機關基準法的檢討方向確實沒有錯現在署的這樣子的一個成績已經有達到70個上限所以我們必須要等這個上限通出來之後馬上可以填補進去成立我們的新住民的這個發展署\n\n14\n00:04:57,142 --> 00:05:21,888\n那這個不管是行政院的政務委員：或者是我們現在在處理這個有關於未來的新住民的發展方向我們的常務次長吳唐安他們都兩兜里內都是進行在處理未來有關新住民發展署的一個整個的方向而且我們分成6個重要的這個任務指標包括原額架構或是未來的發展等等都有包含在內跟麥委員做報告\n\n15\n00:05:24,635 --> 00:05:49,226\n好謝謝所以說我們不是升格是直接成立對不對全新的體育部對所以這個我們大家都認同大家也希望說這個部就是即將要成立是最好的所以跟滿的滿編還有滿也沒有什麼差別我的意思就是說要不要做而已\n\n16\n00:05:50,006 --> 00:06:11,755\n所以在我們的奧運過後我們卓院長就是指示下就是要中央行政機關組織基本法可見當初不是滿編可以去修改所以而不是政府我的用意就是重不重視要不要做這個問題所以說我們\n\n17\n00:06:16,349 --> 00:06:28,739\n賴清德總統在選舉的時候提出照顧新住民五大政見這個是其中之一而已所以我們成立一個專職機構也是總統府我們總統的政見\n\n18\n00:06:33,522 --> 00:06:34,163\n主推五大政見\n\n19\n00:06:48,652 --> 00:07:17,037\n成立新住民發展署因為呢我當一天立委我一直盯著這個五大政見我們賴總統就是要跟我們承諾一定要做到沒有的話我每天就會盯著我們就會盯著這件事情希望他的五大政見我們卓院長你要重視也要說執行我們賴總統的政見這個就是要請院長要\n\n20\n00:07:17,813 --> 00:07:23,775\n總統在選舉期間提出的政見都會是現在政府必須全面檢視要推動的國家政策之一\n\n21\n00:07:41,957 --> 00:08:01,511\n那當然國家政策的推動他雖然全面的檢視他的執行跟實施也是要循序漸進那現在這個都已經那剛剛部長已經說明清楚了都有計畫但什麼時候能夠去實現這樣的一個政策也跟委員想像的過程一樣那這個還要做一些努力我剛剛說過\n\n22\n00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:29,770\n體育部升格之後還有很多的體育的教育跟學校相關的設施的維護跟設施的建設都必須要有現在的單位來做處理我們現在思考如何維持現在教育部的工作及未來體育及運動發展部的工作這兩者之間要如何做一個很清楚的界面同時要有相當多的互相的跨部會的配合這個部分還在處理當中所以現在我們在中央組織基礎部\n\n23\n00:08:30,845 --> 00:08:31,686\n新住民專責機關的處理已經有他的構想循序漸進推動\n\n24\n00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,021\n金管會統計在8月29號到9月4號每日平均我們的民眾被詐騙4億1千\n\n25\n00:09:21,569 --> 00:09:34,144\n513萬元行政院在5月9號也通過打炸新市法說要完善打炸防護網使打炸更有成效讓人民的財產\n\n26\n00:09:35,606 --> 00:10:02,274\n保護的最有保障請問的成效在哪裡但是呢我們在10月3號全國放颱風架但是呢全國放颱風架我們是被詐騙只有2億這個代表什麼原因我們警政署有沒有去調查原因放颱風架是全國應用網路的是最高峰的\n\n27\n00:10:02,734 --> 00:10:16,270\n所以詐騙集團就會減少了2億這個什麼原因我們是不是要去調查要去怎麼樣去讓我們的詐騙減少這個才是我們要想要了解的\n\n28\n00:10:16,803 --> 00:10:39,589\n好謝謝委員關心詐騙的事情日前也有委員在關心隨行過這個詐騙的數字那內政部劉部長他有非常詳實的數字的說明報告我請部長來說明是謝謝麥委員的關心委員都非常清楚打詐是法在立法院朝野政黨的努力之下我們在7月底公佈出去以後\n\n29\n00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:55,522\n打詐新釋法對於我們在處理打詐其實成效非常的多您現在引用的數據是8月份跟7月份的比較但是如果你用打詐儀表版每天所發生的打詐的受理次數跟受理的財損數的話你會發現它是在下降的\n\n30\n00:10:58,884 --> 00:11:26,489\n當然你剛有提到說在颱風天颱風天大家都在家裡面用比較多的網路這個網路的部分我們跟數位發展部也好或是跟我們的金管會都會互相結合會推出比較好的執法譬如說網路的平台業者要怎麼樣規範他如果他有收受跟這些違法的網路平台業者的廣告的時候嚴格來講他必須要接受比較大的懲罰或者甚至要下架的處分\n\n31\n00:11:28,109 --> 00:11:49,754\n指正我們的部會警政署要怎麼樣去做這個部分我們都是有規劃有一個規則但是我在關心的是說我們警政署在2016年有成立打詐中心2022年也有成立就是我們的打詐國家隊\n\n32\n00:11:52,015 --> 00:12:19,916\n2023年我們也成立打架的辦公室還有今年也成立瓜布會的打架中心所以我們就是一直在做打架越打越架所以就希望說我們要用好的方式我們要研議要研究說為什麼疫情的時間我們是減少了不是說我們5月份成立我們就8月份一天就被騙那麼多\n\n33\n00:12:20,737 --> 00:12:20,877\n李卓人議員\n\n34\n00:12:35,717 --> 00:13:03,518\n而那個政績也預算也內容也沒有改部門也改也回頭這樣子的2億的數據跑到哪裡去還有我們行政院目前提出來的就是新世代打詐詐欺涉獵行動網01.5版根本沒有顯示效果真是真是沒有好的落實但是呢現在打詐網又說2點\n\n35\n00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:20,094\n2.0何時可以出爐就是我們一直改變但是詐騙越來越多所以我們就是要演繹要如何做更好才能保護我們人民不要被詐騙\n\n36\n00:13:21,395 --> 00:13:44,507\n跟委員補充報告一下在2023年之前我們警政署在計算有關於打炸的這個案件數的時候是一案就算一件但是現在我們的方式是一案如果涉及多人的話就變成是多件也就是計算的標準不一樣所以你會看到好像數目是增加非常的多再來給我們詳細的資料\n\n37\n00:13:46,508 --> 00:14:14,971\n我現在就是要跟您解釋一下然後最重要就是我們打詐新審法我想要請問第3個就是消因為時間有限因為警消人力的缺口他們也一直希望我們來協助就是何時可以補齊就關於就是我們各種樣式的專案如就是掃黑、機槍、機毒、打架、交通安全的執法專案還有一些就是我們的\n\n38\n00:14:17,183 --> 00:14:36,558\n我們要在消防裡面的需要的人員還有我們的工具這些的話都不足現在就是我們的人口比例我們消防人一人就要服務1300人這樣子的人員不足造成我們消防人員的\n\n39\n00:14:39,226 --> 00:14:41,248\n好我謝謝我們的部長再來書面可以給我\n\n40\n00:15:08,709 --> 00:15:37,228\n最後因為我時間有限所以我就是最後我在這邊呼應我們的執政黨不管我們來自哪裡在什麼領地我們永遠都是媽媽心目中的寶貝每一個人的生命財產都是很重要如果我們要對別人說我們要全力捍衛中華民國首先請提出\n\n41\n00:15:37,828 --> 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那現在這個部分我們還在討論當中那至於新住民的這個組織的權益 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謝謝麥委員的關心委員都非常清楚打詐是法在立法院朝野政黨的努力之下我們在7月底公佈出去以後\n640790\t655522\t打詐新釋法對於我們在處理打詐其實成效非常的多您現在引用的數據是8月份跟7月份的比較但是如果你用打詐儀表版每天所發生的打詐的受理次數跟受理的財損數的話你會發現它是在下降的\n658884\t686489\t當然你剛有提到說在颱風天颱風天大家都在家裡面用比較多的網路這個網路的部分我們跟數位發展部也好或是跟我們的金管會都會互相結合會推出比較好的執法譬如說網路的平台業者要怎麼樣規範他如果他有收受跟這些違法的網路平台業者的廣告的時候嚴格來講他必須要接受比較大的懲罰或者甚至要下架的處分\n688109\t709754\t指正我們的部會警政署要怎麼樣去做這個部分我們都是有規劃有一個規則但是我在關心的是說我們警政署在2016年有成立打詐中心2022年也有成立就是我們的打詐國家隊\n712015\t739916\t2023年我們也成立打架的辦公室還有今年也成立瓜布會的打架中心所以我們就是一直在做打架越打越架所以就希望說我們要用好的方式我們要研議要研究說為什麼疫情的時間我們是減少了不是說我們5月份成立我們就8月份一天就被騙那麼多\n740737\t740877\t李卓人議員\n755717\t783518\t而那個政績也預算也內容也沒有改部門也改也回頭這樣子的2億的數據跑到哪裡去還有我們行政院目前提出來的就是新世代打詐詐欺涉獵行動網01.5版根本沒有顯示效果真是真是沒有好的落實但是呢現在打詐網又說2點\n787559\t800094\t2.0何時可以出爐就是我們一直改變但是詐騙越來越多所以我們就是要演繹要如何做更好才能保護我們人民不要被詐騙\n801395\t824507\t跟委員補充報告一下在2023年之前我們警政署在計算有關於打炸的這個案件數的時候是一案就算一件但是現在我們的方式是一案如果涉及多人的話就變成是多件也就是計算的標準不一樣所以你會看到好像數目是增加非常的多再來給我們詳細的資料\n826508\t854971\t我現在就是要跟您解釋一下然後最重要就是我們打詐新審法我想要請問第3個就是消因為時間有限因為警消人力的缺口他們也一直希望我們來協助就是何時可以補齊就關於就是我們各種樣式的專案如就是掃黑、機槍、機毒、打架、交通安全的執法專案還有一些就是我們的\n857183\t876558\t我們要在消防裡面的需要的人員還有我們的工具這些的話都不足現在就是我們的人口比例我們消防人一人就要服務1300人這樣子的人員不足造成我們消防人員的\n879226\t881248\t好 我謝謝我們的部長再來書面可以給我\n908709\t937228\t最後因為我時間有限所以我就是最後我在這邊呼應我們的執政黨不管我們來自哪裡在什麼領地我們永遠都是媽媽心目中的寶貝每一個人的生命財產都是很重要如果我們要對別人說我們要全力捍衛中華民國首先請提出\n937828\t938989\t好,謝謝麥委員,謝謝卓院長下一位請沈柏楊委員\n","txt":"看到副院長太緊張放輕鬆沒關係好\n謝謝副院長我們副院長主持會議和我們的韓院長主持會議都讓人都會稱呼我們是委員這就是我們院長跟副院長的主持的風範不像昨天我去經濟委員會的民進黨趙偉 邱志偉\n昨天我去經濟委員會質詢的時候﹖秋智偉當任會議主持﹖直接叫麥玉珍上臺作為主持的﹖主持會議的格調﹖真的高下立判了接下來我要邀請我們的卓院長上來質詢謝謝\n麥委員好卓院長好請教一下我們卓院長不在籍投票的態度如何不在籍投票當然要讓每個國民能夠行使\n政治的權利公民的權利應該廣泛的來討論實施的可能但應該要克服的是很多技術上現在存在的一些困難如果我們能夠克服技術上的困難也克服政治上的障礙我認為可以往前去做更多的思考好就以你的計畫我們共同去努力來去克服但是技術上跟政治上的障礙還是蠻多的但是我們要努力來想想有沒有好的方法\n謝謝 謝謝我們卓院長一正在3個會期以在野黨就是強力推動下好不容易通過了新住民基本法也落實柯文哲對新住民的承諾唯一\n美中不足的地方就是只有專職中央三級行政機關當初我們陳建源院長一句話三級機關已滿不把賴總統的政見當一回事我也委曲求全爭取到了中央三級機關\n內政部長劉世芳部長也說三期機關已經滿了但是很幸運這一屆我們的卓院長很有魄力商任馬上就把體育署升格為體育部\n所以根本就不會有不滿的存在所以請教一下我們也所以要請劉部長不要再打假球了也拜託我們的卓院長\n首先向委員報告體育署升格\n這個不是這樣的講法這是一個全新的體育部體育部不是由體育署來升格的所以它是一個完全新概念新組織新的政策新的策略新的面對國人的一個全新的體育部所以體育署並沒有升格的問題\n那體育部 如果大院同意我們在組織調整之後 體育部將來成立之後 還有很多學校教育的體育工作還是要有專責的機關來做 那現在這個部分我們還在討論當中那至於新住民的這個組織的權益 那麼請部長來說明\n謝謝麥委員的關心我想我完全沒有打假球我們在好幾次的這個對談當中都有跟麥委員報告我們根據行政院的組織架構跟中央行政機關基準法的檢討方向確實沒有錯現在署的這樣子的一個成績已經有達到70個上限所以我們必須要等這個上限通出來之後馬上可以填補進去成立我們的新住民的這個發展署\n那這個不管是行政院的政務委員：或者是我們現在在處理這個有關於未來的新住民的發展方向我們的常務次長吳唐安他們都兩兜里內都是進行在處理未來有關新住民發展署的一個整個的方向而且我們分成6個重要的這個任務指標包括原額架構或是未來的發展等等都有包含在內跟麥委員做報告\n好謝謝所以說我們不是升格是直接成立對不對全新的體育部對所以這個我們大家都認同大家也希望說這個部就是即將要成立是最好的所以跟滿的滿編還有滿也沒有什麼差別我的意思就是說要不要做而已\n所以在我們的奧運過後我們卓院長就是指示下就是要中央行政機關組織基本法可見當初不是滿編可以去修改所以而不是政府我的用意就是重不重視要不要做這個問題所以說我們\n賴清德總統在選舉的時候提出照顧新住民五大政見這個是其中之一而已所以我們成立一個專職機構也是總統府我們總統的政見\n主推五大政見\n成立新住民發展署因為呢我當一天立委我一直盯著這個五大政見我們賴總統就是要跟我們承諾一定要做到沒有的話我每天就會盯著我們就會盯著這件事情希望他的五大政見我們卓院長你要重視也要說執行我們賴總統的政見這個就是要請院長要\n總統在選舉期間提出的政見都會是現在政府必須全面檢視要推動的國家政策之一\n那當然國家政策的推動他雖然全面的檢視他的執行跟實施也是要循序漸進那現在這個都已經那剛剛部長已經說明清楚了都有計畫但什麼時候能夠去實現這樣的一個政策也跟委員想像的過程一樣那這個還要做一些努力我剛剛說過\n體育部升格之後還有很多的體育的教育跟學校相關的設施的維護跟設施的建設都必須要有現在的單位來做處理我們現在思考如何維持現在教育部的工作及未來體育及運動發展部的工作這兩者之間要如何做一個很清楚的界面同時要有相當多的互相的跨部會的配合這個部分還在處理當中所以現在我們在中央組織基礎部\n新住民專責機關的處理已經有他的構想循序漸進推動\n金管會統計在8月29號到9月4號每日平均我們的民眾被詐騙4億1千\n513萬元 行政院在5月9號也通過打炸新市法說要完善打炸防護網 使打炸更有成效 讓人民的財產\n保護的最有保障請問的成效在哪裡但是呢我們在10月3號全國放颱風架但是呢全國放颱風架我們是被詐騙只有2億這個代表什麼原因我們警政署有沒有去調查原因放颱風架是全國應用網路的是最高峰的\n所以詐騙集團就會減少了2億這個什麼原因我們是不是要去調查要去怎麼樣去讓我們的詐騙減少這個才是我們要想要了解的\n好 謝謝委員關心詐騙的事情日前也有委員在關心隨行過這個詐騙的數字那內政部劉部長他有非常詳實的數字的說明報告我請部長來說明是 謝謝麥委員的關心委員都非常清楚打詐是法在立法院朝野政黨的努力之下我們在7月底公佈出去以後\n打詐新釋法對於我們在處理打詐其實成效非常的多您現在引用的數據是8月份跟7月份的比較但是如果你用打詐儀表版每天所發生的打詐的受理次數跟受理的財損數的話你會發現它是在下降的\n當然你剛有提到說在颱風天颱風天大家都在家裡面用比較多的網路這個網路的部分我們跟數位發展部也好或是跟我們的金管會都會互相結合會推出比較好的執法譬如說網路的平台業者要怎麼樣規範他如果他有收受跟這些違法的網路平台業者的廣告的時候嚴格來講他必須要接受比較大的懲罰或者甚至要下架的處分\n指正我們的部會警政署要怎麼樣去做這個部分我們都是有規劃有一個規則但是我在關心的是說我們警政署在2016年有成立打詐中心2022年也有成立就是我們的打詐國家隊\n2023年我們也成立打架的辦公室還有今年也成立瓜布會的打架中心所以我們就是一直在做打架越打越架所以就希望說我們要用好的方式我們要研議要研究說為什麼疫情的時間我們是減少了不是說我們5月份成立我們就8月份一天就被騙那麼多\n李卓人議員\n而那個政績也預算也內容也沒有改部門也改也回頭這樣子的2億的數據跑到哪裡去還有我們行政院目前提出來的就是新世代打詐詐欺涉獵行動網01.5版根本沒有顯示效果真是真是沒有好的落實但是呢現在打詐網又說2點\n2.0何時可以出爐就是我們一直改變但是詐騙越來越多所以我們就是要演繹要如何做更好才能保護我們人民不要被詐騙\n跟委員補充報告一下在2023年之前我們警政署在計算有關於打炸的這個案件數的時候是一案就算一件但是現在我們的方式是一案如果涉及多人的話就變成是多件也就是計算的標準不一樣所以你會看到好像數目是增加非常的多再來給我們詳細的資料\n我現在就是要跟您解釋一下然後最重要就是我們打詐新審法我想要請問第3個就是消因為時間有限因為警消人力的缺口他們也一直希望我們來協助就是何時可以補齊就關於就是我們各種樣式的專案如就是掃黑、機槍、機毒、打架、交通安全的執法專案還有一些就是我們的\n我們要在消防裡面的需要的人員還有我們的工具這些的話都不足現在就是我們的人口比例我們消防人一人就要服務1300人這樣子的人員不足造成我們消防人員的\n好 我謝謝我們的部長再來書面可以給我\n最後因為我時間有限所以我就是最後我在這邊呼應我們的執政黨不管我們來自哪裡在什麼領地我們永遠都是媽媽心目中的寶貝每一個人的生命財產都是很重要如果我們要對別人說我們要全力捍衛中華民國首先請提出\n好,謝謝麥委員,謝謝卓院長下一位請沈柏楊委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.041 --> 00:09.921\n看到副院長太緊張放輕鬆沒關係好\n\n00:32.613 --> 00:49.222\n謝謝副院長我們副院長主持會議和我們的韓院長主持會議都讓人都會稱呼我們是委員這就是我們院長跟副院長的主持的風範不像昨天我去經濟委員會的民進黨趙偉邱志偉\n\n00:55.749 --> 01:15.458\n昨天我去經濟委員會質詢的時候﹖秋智偉當任會議主持﹖直接叫麥玉珍上臺作為主持的﹖主持會議的格調﹖真的高下立判了接下來我要邀請我們的卓院長上來質詢謝謝\n\n01:27.902 --> 01:42.459\n麥委員好卓院長好請教一下我們卓院長不在籍投票的態度如何不在籍投票當然要讓每個國民能夠行使\n\n01:43.191 --> 02:10.422\n政治的權利公民的權利應該廣泛的來討論實施的可能但應該要克服的是很多技術上現在存在的一些困難如果我們能夠克服技術上的困難也克服政治上的障礙我認為可以往前去做更多的思考好就以你的計畫我們共同去努力來去克服但是技術上跟政治上的障礙還是蠻多的但是我們要努力來想想有沒有好的方法\n\n02:12.017 --> 02:28.464\n謝謝謝謝我們卓院長一正在3個會期以在野黨就是強力推動下好不容易通過了新住民基本法也落實柯文哲對新住民的承諾唯一\n\n02:29.544 --> 02:49.733\n美中不足的地方就是只有專職中央三級行政機關當初我們陳建源院長一句話三級機關已滿不把賴總統的政見當一回事我也委曲求全爭取到了中央三級機關\n\n02:51.573 --> 03:08.981\n內政部長劉世芳部長也說三期機關已經滿了但是很幸運這一屆我們的卓院長很有魄力商任馬上就把體育署升格為體育部\n\n03:10.071 --> 03:25.185\n所以根本就不會有不滿的存在所以請教一下我們也所以要請劉部長不要再打假球了也拜託我們的卓院長\n\n03:27.065 --> 03:28.746\n首先向委員報告體育署升格\n\n03:48.551 --> 04:05.131\n這個不是這樣的講法這是一個全新的體育部體育部不是由體育署來升格的所以它是一個完全新概念新組織新的政策新的策略新的面對國人的一個全新的體育部所以體育署並沒有升格的問題\n\n04:06.132 --> 04:26.699\n那體育部如果大院同意我們在組織調整之後體育部將來成立之後還有很多學校教育的體育工作還是要有專責的機關來做那現在這個部分我們還在討論當中那至於新住民的這個組織的權益那麼請部長來說明\n\n04:28.921 --> 04:56.662\n謝謝麥委員的關心我想我完全沒有打假球我們在好幾次的這個對談當中都有跟麥委員報告我們根據行政院的組織架構跟中央行政機關基準法的檢討方向確實沒有錯現在署的這樣子的一個成績已經有達到70個上限所以我們必須要等這個上限通出來之後馬上可以填補進去成立我們的新住民的這個發展署\n\n04:57.142 --> 05:21.888\n那這個不管是行政院的政務委員：或者是我們現在在處理這個有關於未來的新住民的發展方向我們的常務次長吳唐安他們都兩兜里內都是進行在處理未來有關新住民發展署的一個整個的方向而且我們分成6個重要的這個任務指標包括原額架構或是未來的發展等等都有包含在內跟麥委員做報告\n\n05:24.635 --> 05:49.226\n好謝謝所以說我們不是升格是直接成立對不對全新的體育部對所以這個我們大家都認同大家也希望說這個部就是即將要成立是最好的所以跟滿的滿編還有滿也沒有什麼差別我的意思就是說要不要做而已\n\n05:50.006 --> 06:11.755\n所以在我們的奧運過後我們卓院長就是指示下就是要中央行政機關組織基本法可見當初不是滿編可以去修改所以而不是政府我的用意就是重不重視要不要做這個問題所以說我們\n\n06:16.349 --> 06:28.739\n賴清德總統在選舉的時候提出照顧新住民五大政見這個是其中之一而已所以我們成立一個專職機構也是總統府我們總統的政見\n\n06:33.522 --> 06:34.163\n主推五大政見\n\n06:48.652 --> 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行政院在5月9號也通過打炸新市法說要完善打炸防護網 使打炸更有成效 讓人民的財產"},{"start":575.606,"end":602.274,"text":"保護的最有保障請問的成效在哪裡但是呢我們在10月3號全國放颱風架但是呢全國放颱風架我們是被詐騙只有2億這個代表什麼原因我們警政署有沒有去調查原因放颱風架是全國應用網路的是最高峰的"},{"start":602.734,"end":616.27,"text":"所以詐騙集團就會減少了2億這個什麼原因我們是不是要去調查要去怎麼樣去讓我們的詐騙減少這個才是我們要想要了解的"},{"start":616.803,"end":639.589,"text":"好 謝謝委員關心詐騙的事情日前也有委員在關心隨行過這個詐騙的數字那內政部劉部長他有非常詳實的數字的說明報告我請部長來說明是 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