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00:01:34,355\n及學術的量能應該是比較正面的所以我這邊首先先提一個長期一直有被反映的問題但是我不知道會內這邊怎麼樣看待這個問題所以今天我就討論一下在國科會對於學術研究的投入資源在學校的部分有一些分配不太均勻的現象\n\n5\n00:01:36,437 --> 00:02:01,028\n所以公私立學校的這個資源分配已經對不起請回到前一張一個重點就是分配不均那第二個是影響了學術研究的一個平衡發展所以請主委在我今天也幫會內做了一下功課我們就去年的一些數據來探討好不好好謝謝接下來這只是去年的數據這個國科會當年在核定\n\n6\n00:02:06,171 --> 00:02:23,229\n公立大學接觸上有7256件施立大學2701件光是這個數據裡面我們看到它的比例就很值得思考公立大學的受補助案件是施立大學的2.69倍\n\n7\n00:02:24,750 --> 00:02:50,962\n但是應該你們的這個公立大學跟私立大學的數據那公立大學應該你們卜助差不多40幾所那私立大學有將近80所所以這個比例的這個我們在加權這樣子看似乎有很大的失衡所以這個區塊是不是請主委這邊來注意一下這個問題那如何解決它其實已經長久在學界裡面有被討論\n\n8\n00:02:52,443 --> 00:02:55,325\n在政策專案上公立大學有179件私立大學只有11件這也難怪連帶到的是教育部竟然現在讓私立大學再退場\n\n9\n00:03:21,084 --> 00:03:21,224\n接下來﹖\n\n10\n00:03:50,319 --> 00:04:19,127\n但是比較特殊的是在大學生的研究公立大學跟私立大學的這個失衡可能還沒有那麼高你看2000多件比1000多件所以這個會內是怎麼樣思考這樣一個補助的決策或者是你們在執行上到底是碰到了什麼問題這個可能待會要請主委很快的給我回應那另外吳大友講也是同樣的問題也就是公私立大學的失衡比例\n\n11\n00:04:20,644 --> 00:04:38,455\n導致大家認為在研究補助上的不公所以主委這件事情是不是先做個簡單的回應我非常佩服林委員的這個觀點我們的確我們在整體台灣的教育上面我們的資源投入是公立大學比私立大學還要多\n\n12\n00:04:39,615 --> 00:05:05,244\n那這個長期造成這個原因是因為我們對世紀大學從早期還有很多科技大學從這個職校到專科到技術學院到科技大學這個連串的這樣的這個過程改變了這個過程那原來是屬於教育型的這個大學的這個責任那這些教師長遠來講他們是投入在培育直接進入職場的\n\n13\n00:05:06,544 --> 00:05:06,684\n李卓人議員\n\n14\n00:05:28,624 --> 00:05:48,613\n主任在提升那主任提升不好意思這邊我可能就要打斷喔那個主委這邊會內補助基礎研究我其實後面還有一個數據但是我現在也沒時間先秀給你我們相較於而且是會內自己的資料我們相較於新加坡美國這一些國家其實相對是少的\n\n15\n00:05:49,173 --> 00:06:12,699\n這就跟您的夢有關了我們的確逐步在提升希望能夠培養更多將來可以對社會產生重大貢獻的研究所以剛才一個議題第一個是公私立大學的失衡而且會內應該與時俱進你們說的這個研究型教學型還有個型這20年來整個大學的教育產生了很大的變化我同意林委員所以為了補足那一點\n\n16\n00:06:18,140 --> 00:06:45,972\n我們現在除了在一些研究型的專案之外我們現在也對於能夠推動社會貢獻的一些專案也增加了不要忘記這個不計利益的一個研究的投入我知道就是在屬於剛剛提到的比較屬於私立大學科技特別是科技領域的我們希望他們貼近社會的這種研究我們會增加明年會增加謝謝林委員的這個提醒所以我期待會裡面能夠來好好探討\n\n17\n00:06:46,832 --> 00:07:13,712\n解決公私立大學長期研究不公平的這樣一個現象接下來我還是談一下還是很感謝主委在0520就職之後我們來的拜會讓我反映了原住民研究相關的這個問題所以個別型的問題就在當場主委就答應了非常感謝您接受本席的建議所以在個別型的這個研究上今年\n\n18\n00:07:14,272 --> 00:07:36,193\n已經確定有了那當然很多利益良好的政策跟方向常常在執行上可能就會產生了一些誤差跟偏誤那主委因為你們各個階層下去可能在執行上其實本來您覺得阿薩里而且您覺得這個部分是重要的但是執行上後來又給原住民的某一些限制所以上一回\n\n19\n00:07:36,913 --> 00:07:37,693\n主委,我想您可以去了解一下這個內容狀況\n\n20\n00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:07,724\n我相信您當場：當時我的建議您就promise應該是我們彼此在學界認為這件事情很簡單：而且應該是可以做的讓我們原住民：\n\n21\n00:08:14,493 --> 00:08:38,706\n當然也聯繫到因為現在原住民的研究都在人文社會類那其實在中研院其實有研究過原住民的生命長度基本上是比一般平均在台灣社會是來的低的所以有沒有可能在原住民的研究裡面你們可以在各個不同領域去做個思考\n\n22\n00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:58,142\n其他領域當然像生命科學、自然科學等等。像什麼呢?來我給您看一個大佬的研究。這個大佬裡面其實有一個區塊應該是海馬回。海馬回就有一個族群的記憶。某種程度或許在其他的領域可以鼓勵這樣子的一個研究。\n\n23\n00:08:58,843 --> 00:08:58,863\n委員會長\n\n24\n00:09:21,124 --> 00:09:21,244\n謝謝林委員\n\n25\n00:09:46,581 --> 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