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00:02:35,573\n您要說是10月,那本席也很擔心10月真的有辦法繼續營運嗎?因為據我們了解,主委也有提到說現在因為整個捷克有一個新的政局的改變這個新的政局的改變對於我們現在在這邊不管外交部也好,國會也好,這兩個計畫也有影響\n\n8\n00:02:39,175 --> 00:03:04,846\n所以我們看到捷克在9月23日也舉行了地方的選舉以及三分之一的參議員的改選這一次是在野黨的不滿公民行動黨在捷克13州贏得了10個席次所以看起來他們的政局真的是有變化所以主委您有說我們現在要再來重新評估並且調整政策要溝通\n\n9\n00:03:06,127 --> 00:03:26,274\n不曉得你是要評估什麼?調整什麼?因為剛剛委員有提到就是捷克的他也是自由民主國家他有選舉那他我們8月底去的時候他正值要面對選舉的這個時刻所以他們的政府高層他因為是一個執政聯盟不同政黨政府的高層有在討論說\n\n10\n00:03:27,774 --> 00:03:28,294\n主委,我剛剛聽起來就是說\n\n11\n00:03:51,664 --> 00:03:51,684\n國科會\n\n12\n00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:36,485\n這個金創計畫原來是10年3000億的一個預算那當然就是您剛剛所說的我們希望在海外去培育或是吸引一些國際人才那當然最後的目標也是希望能夠來台為我們來服務嘛那所以這個培育跟吸引國際人才是相當重要的一環可是現在因為整個捷克的內部的政治的問題有一些延宕了\n\n13\n00:04:37,566 --> 00:05:03,511\n我想本席不免擔心啦我們投入了這麼大量的預算做了這麼多先前的準備工作這麼多人力跟心血進去喔那我們有沒有要嚴謹啦我們不要因為去誤判了情勢或者去踩雷了那導致後面在整合上面出現大問題那我們搞不好血本無歸我覺得這個是一個非常這個重要的問題在所以主任您一直在講說除了溝通之外我目前還沒有看到\n\n14\n00:05:04,611 --> 00:05:04,711\n獲得獲得獲得\n\n15\n00:05:27,233 --> 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那個地方我會轉為做學術研究的合作學術研究的合作培養的人才我這樣聽你講看起來應該是我們本來宣布9月要正式營運您說有可能是這個10月的IC設計海外訓練基地現在是申辯了對嗎沒有申辯就是說那個地方接牌要等到他們參議院選舉完就是\n425845\t428887\t主委我想我要提醒您因為我們都很關心他們現在的政局以及跟我們的合作尤其是這個海外訓練基地其實我們已經都準備好了\n443097\t444578\t謝謝委員我就是因為這個原因所以我現在很審慎因為學術合作是不會因為政治而中斷的\n463414\t489237\t所以我就會注重在這一點然後怎麼跟外交部這個地方做整合我希望我們一邊觀察他的政治局勢的時候我們自己要有計畫好那看起來我們第一個海外基地就有面臨到一些變化那現在我們除了布瓦格之外過去我也聽您說可能還要再設立其他的地方那您今天在報告當中也有提到說我們也有去德國去美國進行科技AI的一些交流研究\n489937\t513633\t我們有沒有可能在設置第二座海外科技基地然後可能會在什麼地方目前沒有打算我們的重點就是在這幾個國家我們都會加強學術研究的合作這個是台積電需要的也是我們國家發展非常重要的一個基礎花了錢花了預算花了心意我想後續主委一定要密切的掌握選定的評估好不好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝萬美玲主委謝謝\n","txt":"吳主席\n主委早,國科會在4月14日的時候我們宣布了這個精創計畫那這個第一座的IC海外IC的這個設計訓練的基地在布拉格那主委很清楚知道因為本席是這個中華民國跟捷克國會領域會的會長那我也到這個捷克非常多次所以呢我知道了我們9月份原本這個訓練基地要正式開始營運\n所以在7月份的時候我也跟江啟臣副院長以及很多位我們委員一起呢我們到了布拉格去看這個實地考察到底這個海外訓練基地的狀況那我想後來我們看到其實捷克除了現在我們國科會有這個海外基地之外外交部也有一個台階韌性計畫這個您一定知道那這也有一樣兵預算也是在捷克那設立的也是先進晶片設計研究中心\n據我瞭解這個計劃也是要培育晶片相關的人才我想我們一直在質疑這個跌床架物的問題您能不能簡單的來敘述一下兩者的差別非常感謝萬委員支持這個計劃我們外交部所啟動的這個台捷韌性計劃在捷克的Bernal那邊的這個我們叫ACDRC就是剛剛提到的IC設計研究中心您只要告訴我兩者的差別\n這個IC設計研究中心是以學研合作為主就是學術研究的合作為主那我們的經費資源他們跟我們的教授一起做研究那在布拉格那個中心本來是以人才培育為主也就是說協助他們去教育學生能夠做IC設計是以教學為主的\n謝謝主委但是我了解到大概在8月底的時候您跟國安會的吳釗燮秘書長一行人也有過去布拉格我相信不管是我們的海外訓練基地或者是我們的相關計畫你們都有去看現在的問題是本來本席在7月份去看的原因是因為9月份我們要開始正式營運所以我們必須去了解一下可是現在看起來9月份的營運是沒有\n您要說是10月,那本席也很擔心10月真的有辦法繼續營運嗎?因為據我們了解,主委也有提到說現在因為整個捷克有一個新的政局的改變這個新的政局的改變對於我們現在在這邊不管外交部也好,國會也好,這兩個計畫也有影響\n所以我們看到捷克在9月23日也舉行了地方的選舉以及三分之一的參議員的改選這一次是在野黨的不滿公民行動黨在捷克13州贏得了10個席次所以看起來他們的政局真的是有變化所以主委您有說我們現在要再來重新評估並且調整政策要溝通\n不曉得你是要評估什麼?調整什麼?因為剛剛委員有提到就是捷克的他也是自由民主國家他有選舉那他我們8月底去的時候他正值要面對選舉的這個時刻所以他們的政府高層他因為是一個執政聯盟不同政黨政府的高層有在討論說\n主委,我剛剛聽起來就是說\n國科會\n這個金創計畫原來是10年3000億的一個預算那當然就是您剛剛所說的我們希望在海外去培育或是吸引一些國際人才那當然最後的目標也是希望能夠來台為我們來服務嘛那所以這個培育跟吸引國際人才是相當重要的一環可是現在因為整個捷克的內部的政治的問題有一些延宕了\n我想本席不免擔心啦我們投入了這麼大量的預算做了這麼多先前的準備工作這麼多人力跟心血進去喔那我們有沒有要嚴謹啦我們不要因為去誤判了情勢或者去踩雷了那導致後面在整合上面出現大問題那我們搞不好血本無歸我覺得這個是一個非常這個重要的問題在所以主任您一直在講說除了溝通之外我目前還沒有看到\n獲得獲得獲得\n我知道他們有不同的意見不同意見在角力所以我很擔心啦布拉格的這個海外基地會不會因此雖然現在還在運作中但後來變成無疾而終而會不會由外交部的先進晶片這個研究中心來取代會不會\n報告萬美玲你講得非常正確我的想法跟你一樣也就是說如果我們以這個行政角度去看這樣的合作因為有選舉所以常常會有不同的意見會存在但是我會把它拉回來是在學術研究的合作學者之間就不會有這樣的問題產生所以接下來的這個重點會比較注重在於我會增加資源做學術研究的合作\n聽您這樣講,您的意思是說我們這一個海外訓練基地是會有變化的喔?您的意思是這樣?我們希望把人力的訓練拉到台灣來就拉回來了,不在那裡培育不在那裡,但是同樣的這個合作的基地還是在那個捷克理工大學你捷克理工大學還在那裡,然後我們的基地也還在那裡那我們所有培育計畫拿回來台灣做\n人才培育那我為什麼要浪費這麼多錢在那個地方呀不是 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01:26.645\n據我瞭解這個計劃也是要培育晶片相關的人才我想我們一直在質疑這個跌床架物的問題您能不能簡單的來敘述一下兩者的差別非常感謝萬委員支持這個計劃我們外交部所啟動的這個台捷韌性計劃在捷克的Bernal那邊的這個我們叫ACDRC就是剛剛提到的IC設計研究中心您只要告訴我兩者的差別\n\n01:28.087 --> 01:50.219\n這個IC設計研究中心是以學研合作為主就是學術研究的合作為主那我們的經費資源他們跟我們的教授一起做研究那在布拉格那個中心本來是以人才培育為主也就是說協助他們去教育學生能夠做IC設計是以教學為主的\n\n01:52.100 --> 02:17.761\n謝謝主委但是我了解到大概在8月底的時候您跟國安會的吳釗燮秘書長一行人也有過去布拉格我相信不管是我們的海外訓練基地或者是我們的相關計畫你們都有去看現在的問題是本來本席在7月份去看的原因是因為9月份我們要開始正式營運所以我們必須去了解一下可是現在看起來9月份的營運是沒有\n\n02:20.043 --> 02:35.573\n您要說是10月,那本席也很擔心10月真的有辦法繼續營運嗎?因為據我們了解,主委也有提到說現在因為整個捷克有一個新的政局的改變這個新的政局的改變對於我們現在在這邊不管外交部也好,國會也好,這兩個計畫也有影響\n\n02:39.175 --> 03:04.846\n所以我們看到捷克在9月23日也舉行了地方的選舉以及三分之一的參議員的改選這一次是在野黨的不滿公民行動黨在捷克13州贏得了10個席次所以看起來他們的政局真的是有變化所以主委您有說我們現在要再來重新評估並且調整政策要溝通\n\n03:06.127 --> 03:26.274\n不曉得你是要評估什麼?調整什麼?因為剛剛委員有提到就是捷克的他也是自由民主國家他有選舉那他我們8月底去的時候他正值要面對選舉的這個時刻所以他們的政府高層他因為是一個執政聯盟不同政黨政府的高層有在討論說\n\n03:27.774 --> 03:28.294\n主委,我剛剛聽起來就是說\n\n03:51.664 --> 03:51.684\n國科會\n\n04:15.333 --> 04:36.485\n這個金創計畫原來是10年3000億的一個預算那當然就是您剛剛所說的我們希望在海外去培育或是吸引一些國際人才那當然最後的目標也是希望能夠來台為我們來服務嘛那所以這個培育跟吸引國際人才是相當重要的一環可是現在因為整個捷克的內部的政治的問題有一些延宕了\n\n04:37.566 --> 05:03.511\n我想本席不免擔心啦我們投入了這麼大量的預算做了這麼多先前的準備工作這麼多人力跟心血進去喔那我們有沒有要嚴謹啦我們不要因為去誤判了情勢或者去踩雷了那導致後面在整合上面出現大問題那我們搞不好血本無歸我覺得這個是一個非常這個重要的問題在所以主任您一直在講說除了溝通之外我目前還沒有看到\n\n05:04.611 --> 05:04.711\n獲得獲得獲得\n\n05:27.233 --> 05:44.348\n我知道他們有不同的意見不同意見在角力所以我很擔心啦布拉格的這個海外基地會不會因此雖然現在還在運作中但後來變成無疾而終而會不會由外交部的先進晶片這個研究中心來取代會不會\n\n05:45.369 --> 06:11.570\n報告萬美玲你講得非常正確我的想法跟你一樣也就是說如果我們以這個行政角度去看這樣的合作因為有選舉所以常常會有不同的意見會存在但是我會把它拉回來是在學術研究的合作學者之間就不會有這樣的問題產生所以接下來的這個重點會比較注重在於我會增加資源做學術研究的合作\n\n06:12.790 --> 06:34.876\n聽您這樣講,您的意思是說我們這一個海外訓練基地是會有變化的喔?您的意思是這樣?我們希望把人力的訓練拉到台灣來就拉回來了,不在那裡培育不在那裡,但是同樣的這個合作的基地還是在那個捷克理工大學你捷克理工大學還在那裡,然後我們的基地也還在那裡那我們所有培育計畫拿回來台灣做\n\n06:36.266 --> 07:04.844\n人才培育那我為什麼要浪費這麼多錢在那個地方呀不是那個地方我會轉為做學術研究的合作學術研究的合作培養的人才我這樣聽你講看起來應該是我們本來宣布9月要正式營運您說有可能是這個10月的IC設計海外訓練基地現在是申辯了對嗎沒有申辯就是說那個地方接牌要等到他們參議院選舉完就是\n\n07:05.845 --> 07:08.887\n主委我想我要提醒您因為我們都很關心他們現在的政局以及跟我們的合作尤其是這個海外訓練基地其實我們已經都準備好了\n\n07:23.097 --> 07:24.578\n謝謝委員我就是因為這個原因所以我現在很審慎因為學術合作是不會因為政治而中斷的\n\n07:43.414 --> 08:09.237\n所以我就會注重在這一點然後怎麼跟外交部這個地方做整合我希望我們一邊觀察他的政治局勢的時候我們自己要有計畫好那看起來我們第一個海外基地就有面臨到一些變化那現在我們除了布瓦格之外過去我也聽您說可能還要再設立其他的地方那您今天在報告當中也有提到說我們也有去德國去美國進行科技AI的一些交流研究\n\n08:09.937 --> 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