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00:00:19,387\n委員長博定CIA前一陣子公布了全球2024年全球生育率因為差幾個月嘛它這個預測台灣拿下第227名生育率是1.11南韓是倒數第二名1.12新加坡是1.17那這個都還比我們在前面那請看右邊這個數字剛剛岳勤委員也稍微提到到8月為止我們跟去年比今年是榮年\n\n3\n00:00:39,059 --> 00:01:02,924\n然後我們出生的人數少了3000人啊所以部長民進黨越走越黑啦2016年有20萬人啦啊每年降1萬到去年是13萬啊現在還看來很不可觀喔很這個很危險喔所以部長你對這個傲視全球另類的傲視全球少子化的成績齁你要有些什麼想法啦我現在用數字告訴你是失敗的啦好第二張齁\n\n4\n00:01:04,324 --> 00:01:27,718\n部長為了少子化問題我知道大家也做了一些努力了原來有個少子女對策計畫在國建署但是我要請問為什麼明年的計畫經費相較於今年還少了7億元少了將近兩成到底是國人不知道使用還是他不需要使用還是他不符合使用方法你知道嗎怎麼還邊是放棄了嗎\n\n5\n00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:47,197\n衛福部是放棄了在搶救少子化嗎?這編的錢還比去年還要少這麼多這是第一個就是編列的預算那第二個我要談的還是人工生殖法兩千塊錢你就就基本的捐精捐卵的人工生殖法到現在已經17百年那個法度現在都還沒有改變\n\n6\n00:01:50,917 --> 00:02:05,472\n那這個等於是你整個進步的法案你完全沒有跟上而且我們人工生殖技術越來越進步越來越成熟完全按兵不動所以我是不是要請這個國建署齁一週內給我一個資料為什麼少子女這個對策計畫齁今年還少編了這個7億元齁將近兩次欸塞北一個一週內給我好嗎齁\n\n7\n00:02:13,579 --> 00:02:22,303\n市長,我要了解一下嘛,到底發生什麼事,我們來想辦法努力。我們絕對不會輕視少子化的問題,而且會一定要按照需求,按照那個實際上,因為我們的那個未滿2歲人口數目\n\n8\n00:02:30,026 --> 00:02:30,466\n下一張。\n\n9\n00:02:45,206 --> 00:02:59,633\n部長,你們看一下,處長也可以一起看。那這麼多企業你們看出共同性嗎?這都很有名的。NVIDIA、Netflix、AmericanExpress、Google等等。還有Meta、STLoader都有。你猜得出他們有什麼共同性嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:01,769 --> 00:03:16,287\n太難了我知道好下一個答案來下一張現在看那個企業齁都有很多耳熟能詳的他都提供人工生殖的那個補助的大企業我要跟你講齁像這個化妝品那個SDLoader齁他提供齁\n\n11\n00:03:17,708 --> 00:03:37,756\n15萬美元的人工生殖福利可以用在代理孕母跟試管嬰兒好這個為大家帶來希望跟夢想的迪士尼迪士尼也提供了75000美元的代理孕母福利Google也是300萬台幣的這個福利給代理孕母光光這個部分就是說這些大企業他們在鼓勵員工要來成家我們來看看我們自己臺灣這個黃仁勛先生的輝達公司大家可以去網站看\n\n12\n00:03:42,458 --> 00:04:02,854\n他被評比為代孕福利衝第一,最佳的企業。已在官網上寫著,這段話很讓人感動。發展家庭的這個決定是一個重大的決定。在你人生生命中最重要時刻之一,無論你走哪一條路,我們都會在這裡為你提供支援。支援可用在收養生育設施跟試管嬰兒治療,還代孕。\n\n13\n00:04:04,935 --> 00:04:14,430\n無論你如何去擴大你的家庭我們都會為您和您生命中最重要的人提供公平公正的資源這是非常讓人感動的一句話黃仁勳台灣之光\n\n14\n00:04:35,268 --> 00:04:35,729\n我國建署三字民調\n\n15\n00:04:51,315 --> 00:05:12,228\n3次國家民調2010年13年15年我簡單複習一下3年總來是這個是3次的總的標準大概是有8成人支持代孕6成的人是支持2成沒有意見不反對2011年超過一半就贊成說妻子無子宮這就可以找人來代孕2013年687成的民眾不贊成繼續禁止\n\n16\n00:05:13,809 --> 00:05:42,135\n因為當時是禁止的而且86人他贊成就是要把他納入規範那在2015年內是有6成人是支持代孕的2成人沒有反對所以3次民調當中大概都有8成人支持給予代理孕母一個因懷孕所需要的費用跟損失部長難道不知道你們最近收集什麼意見五月底都提出那個布板你收集什麼意見所有意見你這樣反對人就拼命寫拼命講那個意見公平嗎公正嗎\n\n17\n00:05:43,015 --> 00:05:43,035\n部長\n\n18\n00:06:06,129 --> 00:06:24,254\n其實這次我看到這個衛福部部板的人工私人我是感謝的因為這是一個相當平權的有照顧到每一個人但是上週陳金輝委員就質詢的時候總質詢的時候您說要10月底才能送出這個送到性評會是嗎我再跟您確定是什麼時候要送到性評會\n\n19\n00:06:25,899 --> 00:06:48,979\n包委員現在我們經過了6次以上可能更多的專家會議因為的確最多的問題還是最多的雙方的意見還是在爭議還是在代理義務這個部分所以我們很用心的已經很鳥籠代孕了我們很擔心這個代孕出來即便你的不本出來都沒有人可以適用喔\n\n20\n00:06:51,417 --> 00:06:53,282\n現在的時程是這樣,我們希望國民家康署能夠在11月\n\n21\n00:06:58,467 --> 00:07:23,838\n你信憑會你也是委員啊?11月送到那個衛福部,那我們先為衛福部法規會相關的處理以後我們...這2001幾年就開始做了啦,12月會送到行政院你認為這個信憑會有權利退回衛福部的法案嗎?他上次這樣做啦,他上次沒有把他,會前會沒有把他放在議程裡啊他上次這樣做你允許嗎?你允許信憑會再把你的法案退回去嗎?不列在議程裡面嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:25,765 --> 00:07:36,715\n你一直說要凝聚共識再送審這30年沒有共識我們在等30年嗎?天下有什麼事有共識?共識是誰的共識?賴清德總統也在40%他就做總統啊我的答應百幾十%呢?兩倍呢?為什麼他可以當總統我的答應不能過?\n\n23\n00:07:49,059 --> 00:08:07,659\n你要找誰找共識?什麼叫共識?兩杯勒?好看一下賴總統你的上司賴立委任何一個政策都不可能因為社會少數人的意見不可能說得到百分之百的共識就是要去處理過去的同分法不就是如此嗎?無比無比我們還是讓他過啦\n\n24\n00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:27,693\n任何有動見的執政者能夠摒棄隔絕這樣的聲音才是能夠做出對國家人權最有利的決定。你看那金德利委2002年就是這樣有先見之明的人,他提出了代孕法案。那是20年前,將近23年他還調查了很多做了一個非常完整的很感人的一個法案說明。\n\n25\n00:08:28,530 --> 00:08:57,825\n部長我必須相信你會延續他的意志啊不然你去問啊你隨時可以找得到他也不能每天跟他抱怨別人啊你當然可以跟他說啊說靠人家沒有人家曹志工你自己是人家沒有一直說人家他國務院也跟他說有有有你一直告訴人家說我20幾年就開始支持你了他說支持啊你去問你去問總統外服部版本人工生殖法讓誕生同性子宮有病免訓在這個草版裡面都能夠有機會拿回他們籌組家庭的\n\n26\n00:08:58,685 --> 00:09:22,027\n權力啊!永遠沒有共識啦!要等到當時啦!要等到當時!這個我很討厭的團體一直辦很多直播啦!一直在說代孕有問題!然後不曉得誰讓他待在心理院待了一輩子!他講什麼?他講什麼瘋子你知道嗎?同性伴侶跟單身有燃眉之急!只供有病變的人先放一邊!\n\n27\n00:09:23,448 --> 00:09:37,135\n我對這就是剝削這個就是階級化他來決定誰需要誰不需要單身跟同性有兩美之際這個我們都支持單身跟同性那個子宮有病變了你放一邊脫鉤不做\n\n28\n00:09:40,694 --> 00:09:54,583\n不然你也是信憑會委員,你會輸嗎?你剛才說出來沒有?你以前也是支持的喔?你也是提案支持代孕的喔?把人的需求分高低前後實在讓人覺得噁心!可惡!最後,部長一個進步的法案真的有需要為了永遠的少數的反對者在這邊繼續戳頭嗎?再一個30年嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:11,613 --> 00:10:25,781\n大運在全世界都只有小於百分之一的出錯率我告訴你齁離婚率台灣齁大概超過30%收養中值率我給你扣過收養中值率多少黃淑昀在你家裡去收養你只要收養中值率多少我可以跟你說嗎我寫題過你會記嗎答案你會記嗎社交組知道啊台灣的收養中值率57、58%六成請各位明白六成的收養中值率如果你要認為說為什麼大運要完美的演出\n\n30\n00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:56,109\n你不允許他有一點點出錯率嗎?才小於1%如果你認為出錯率要用出錯率這群女人講的要用出錯率去決定要不要通過一個法案我告訴你我們要禁止的是結婚婚姻因為婚姻出錯率有30%我們要禁止的是收養因為收養出錯率有60%\n\n31\n00:11:00,031 --> 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謝謝委員 謝謝\n","txt":"質詢麻煩邱部長部長早安\n委員長博定CIA前一陣子公布了全球2024年全球生育率因為差幾個月嘛它這個預測台灣拿下第227名生育率是1.11南韓是倒數第二名1.12新加坡是1.17那這個都還比我們在前面那請看右邊這個數字剛剛岳勤委員也稍微提到到8月為止我們跟去年比今年是榮年\n然後我們出生的人數少了3000人啊所以部長民進黨越走越黑啦2016年有20萬人啦啊每年降1萬到去年是13萬啊現在還看來很不可觀喔很這個很危險喔所以部長你對這個傲視全球另類的傲視全球少子化的成績齁你要有些什麼想法啦我現在用數字告訴你是失敗的啦好第二張齁\n部長為了少子化問題我知道大家也做了一些努力了原來有個少子女對策計畫在國建署但是我要請問為什麼明年的計畫經費相較於今年還少了7億元少了將近兩成到底是國人不知道使用還是他不需要使用還是他不符合使用方法你知道嗎怎麼還邊是放棄了嗎\n衛福部是放棄了在搶救少子化嗎?這編的錢還比去年還要少這麼多這是第一個就是編列的預算那第二個我要談的還是人工生殖法兩千塊錢你就就基本的捐精捐卵的人工生殖法到現在已經17百年那個法度現在都還沒有改變\n那這個等於是你整個進步的法案你完全沒有跟上而且我們人工生殖技術越來越進步越來越成熟完全按兵不動所以我是不是要請這個國建署齁一週內給我一個資料為什麼少子女這個對策計畫齁今年還少編了這個7億元齁將近兩次欸塞北一個一週內給我好嗎齁\n市長,我要了解一下嘛,到底發生什麼事,我們來想辦法努力。我們絕對不會輕視少子化的問題,而且會一定要按照需求,按照那個實際上,因為我們的那個未滿2歲人口數目\n下一張。\n部長,你們看一下,處長也可以一起看。那這麼多企業你們看出共同性嗎?這都很有名的。NVIDIA、Netflix、American Express、Google等等。還有Meta、ST Loader都有。你猜得出他們有什麼共同性嗎?\n太難了我知道好下一個答案來下一張現在看那個企業齁都有很多耳熟能詳的他都提供人工生殖的那個補助的大企業我要跟你講齁像這個化妝品那個SD Loader齁他提供齁\n15萬美元的人工生殖福利可以用在代理孕母跟試管嬰兒好 這個為大家帶來希望跟夢想的迪士尼迪士尼也提供了75000美元的代理孕母福利Google也是300萬台幣的這個福利給代理孕母 光光這個部分就是說這些大企業他們在鼓勵員工要來成家我們來看看我們自己臺灣這個黃仁勛先生的輝達公司大家可以去網站看\n他被評比為代孕福利衝第一,最佳的企業。已在官網上寫著,這段話很讓人感動。發展家庭的這個決定是一個重大的決定。在你人生生命中最重要時刻之一,無論你走哪一條路,我們都會在這裡為你提供支援。支援可用在收養生育設施跟試管嬰兒治療,還代孕。\n無論你如何去擴大你的家庭我們都會為您和您生命中最重要的人提供公平公正的資源這是非常讓人感動的一句話黃仁勳台灣之光\n﹗\n我國建署三字民調\n3次國家民調2010年13年15年我簡單複習一下3年總來是這個是3次的總的標準大概是有8成人支持代孕6成的人是支持2成沒有意見不反對2011年超過一半就贊成說妻子無子宮這就可以找人來代孕2013年68 7成的民眾不贊成繼續禁止\n因為當時是禁止的而且86人他贊成就是要把他納入規範那在2015年內是有6成人是支持代孕的2成人沒有反對所以3次民調當中大概都有8成人支持給予代理孕母一個因懷孕所需要的費用跟損失部長難道不知道你們最近收集什麼意見五月底都提出那個布板你收集什麼意見所有意見你這樣反對人就拼命寫拼命講那個意見公平嗎公正嗎\n部長\n其實這次我看到這個衛福部部板的人工私人我是感謝的因為這是一個相當平權的有照顧到每一個人但是上週陳金輝委員就質詢的時候總質詢的時候您說要10月底才能送出這個送到性評會是嗎我再跟您確定是什麼時候要送到性評會\n包委員現在我們經過了6次以上可能更多的專家會議因為的確最多的問題還是最多的雙方的意見還是在爭議還是在代理義務這個部分所以我們很用心的已經很鳥籠代孕了我們很擔心這個代孕出來即便你的不本出來都沒有人可以適用喔\n現在的時程是這樣,我們希望國民家康署能夠在11月\n你信憑會你也是委員啊?11月送到那個衛福部,那我們先為衛福部法規會相關的處理以後我們...這2001幾年就開始做了啦,12月會送到行政院你認為這個信憑會有權利退回衛福部的法案嗎?他上次這樣做啦,他上次沒有把他,會前會沒有把他放在議程裡啊他上次這樣做你允許嗎?你允許信憑會再把你的法案退回去嗎?不列在議程裡面嗎?\n你一直說要凝聚共識再送審這30年沒有共識我們在等30年嗎?天下有什麼事有共識?共識是誰的共識?賴清德總統也在40%他就做總統啊我的答應百幾十%呢?兩倍呢?為什麼他可以當總統我的答應不能過?\n你要找誰找共識?什麼叫共識?兩杯勒?好看一下賴總統你的上司賴立委任何一個政策都不可能因為社會少數人的意見不可能說得到百分之百的共識就是要去處理過去的同分法不就是如此嗎?無比無比我們還是讓他過啦\n任何有動見的執政者能夠摒棄隔絕這樣的聲音才是能夠做出對國家人權最有利的決定。你看那金德利委2002年就是這樣有先見之明的人,他提出了代孕法案。那是20年前,將近23年他還調查了很多做了一個非常完整的很感人的一個法案說明。\n部長我必須相信你會延續他的意志啊不然你去問啊你隨時可以找得到他也不能每天跟他抱怨別人啊你當然可以跟他說啊說靠人家沒有人家曹志工你自己是人家沒有一直說人家他國務院也跟他說有有有你一直告訴人家說我20幾年就開始支持你了他說支持啊你去問你去問總統外服部版本人工生殖法讓誕生同性子宮有病免訓在這個草版裡面都能夠有機會拿回他們籌組家庭的\n權力啊!永遠沒有共識啦!要等到當時啦!要等到當時!這個我很討厭的團體一直辦很多直播啦!一直在說代孕有問題!然後不曉得誰讓他待在心理院待了一輩子!他講什麼?他講什麼瘋子你知道嗎?同性伴侶跟單身有燃眉之急!只供有病變的人先放一邊!\n我對這就是剝削這個就是階級化他來決定誰需要誰不需要單身跟同性有兩美之際這個我們都支持單身跟同性那個子宮有病變了你放一邊脫鉤不做\n不然你也是信憑會委員,你會輸嗎?你剛才說出來沒有?你以前也是支持的喔?你也是提案支持代孕的喔?把人的需求分高低前後實在讓人覺得噁心!可惡!最後,部長一個進步的法案真的有需要為了永遠的少數的反對者在這邊繼續戳頭嗎?再一個30年嗎?\n大運在全世界都只有小於百分之一的出錯率我告訴你齁離婚率台灣齁大概超過30%收養中值率我給你扣過收養中值率多少黃淑昀在你家裡去收養你只要收養中值率多少我可以跟你說嗎我寫題過你會記嗎答案你會記嗎社交組知道啊台灣的收養中值率57、58%六成請各位明白六成的收養中值率如果你要認為說為什麼大運要完美的演出\n你不允許他有一點點出錯率嗎?才小於1%如果你認為出錯率要用出錯率這群女人講的要用出錯率去決定要不要通過一個法案我告訴你我們要禁止的是結婚婚姻因為婚姻出錯率有30%我們要禁止的是收養因為收養出錯率有60%\n好 謝謝委員 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.898 --> 00:06.601\n質詢麻煩邱部長部長早安\n\n00:13.223 --> 00:19.387\n委員長博定CIA前一陣子公布了全球2024年全球生育率因為差幾個月嘛它這個預測台灣拿下第227名生育率是1.11南韓是倒數第二名1.12新加坡是1.17那這個都還比我們在前面那請看右邊這個數字剛剛岳勤委員也稍微提到到8月為止我們跟去年比今年是榮年\n\n00:39.059 --> 01:02.924\n然後我們出生的人數少了3000人啊所以部長民進黨越走越黑啦2016年有20萬人啦啊每年降1萬到去年是13萬啊現在還看來很不可觀喔很這個很危險喔所以部長你對這個傲視全球另類的傲視全球少子化的成績齁你要有些什麼想法啦我現在用數字告訴你是失敗的啦好第二張齁\n\n01:04.324 --> 01:27.718\n部長為了少子化問題我知道大家也做了一些努力了原來有個少子女對策計畫在國建署但是我要請問為什麼明年的計畫經費相較於今年還少了7億元少了將近兩成到底是國人不知道使用還是他不需要使用還是他不符合使用方法你知道嗎怎麼還邊是放棄了嗎\n\n01:31.560 --> 01:47.197\n衛福部是放棄了在搶救少子化嗎?這編的錢還比去年還要少這麼多這是第一個就是編列的預算那第二個我要談的還是人工生殖法兩千塊錢你就就基本的捐精捐卵的人工生殖法到現在已經17百年那個法度現在都還沒有改變\n\n01:50.917 --> 02:05.472\n那這個等於是你整個進步的法案你完全沒有跟上而且我們人工生殖技術越來越進步越來越成熟完全按兵不動所以我是不是要請這個國建署齁一週內給我一個資料為什麼少子女這個對策計畫齁今年還少編了這個7億元齁將近兩次欸塞北一個一週內給我好嗎齁\n\n02:13.579 --> 02:22.303\n市長,我要了解一下嘛,到底發生什麼事,我們來想辦法努力。我們絕對不會輕視少子化的問題,而且會一定要按照需求,按照那個實際上,因為我們的那個未滿2歲人口數目\n\n02:30.026 --> 02:30.466\n下一張。\n\n02:45.206 --> 02:59.633\n部長,你們看一下,處長也可以一起看。那這麼多企業你們看出共同性嗎?這都很有名的。NVIDIA、Netflix、AmericanExpress、Google等等。還有Meta、STLoader都有。你猜得出他們有什麼共同性嗎?\n\n03:01.769 --> 03:16.287\n太難了我知道好下一個答案來下一張現在看那個企業齁都有很多耳熟能詳的他都提供人工生殖的那個補助的大企業我要跟你講齁像這個化妝品那個SDLoader齁他提供齁\n\n03:17.708 --> 03:37.756\n15萬美元的人工生殖福利可以用在代理孕母跟試管嬰兒好這個為大家帶來希望跟夢想的迪士尼迪士尼也提供了75000美元的代理孕母福利Google也是300萬台幣的這個福利給代理孕母光光這個部分就是說這些大企業他們在鼓勵員工要來成家我們來看看我們自己臺灣這個黃仁勛先生的輝達公司大家可以去網站看\n\n03:42.458 --> 04:02.854\n他被評比為代孕福利衝第一,最佳的企業。已在官網上寫著,這段話很讓人感動。發展家庭的這個決定是一個重大的決定。在你人生生命中最重要時刻之一,無論你走哪一條路,我們都會在這裡為你提供支援。支援可用在收養生育設施跟試管嬰兒治療,還代孕。\n\n04:04.935 --> 04:14.430\n無論你如何去擴大你的家庭我們都會為您和您生命中最重要的人提供公平公正的資源這是非常讓人感動的一句話黃仁勳台灣之光\n\n04:35.268 --> 04:35.729\n我國建署三字民調\n\n04:51.315 --> 05:12.228\n3次國家民調2010年13年15年我簡單複習一下3年總來是這個是3次的總的標準大概是有8成人支持代孕6成的人是支持2成沒有意見不反對2011年超過一半就贊成說妻子無子宮這就可以找人來代孕2013年687成的民眾不贊成繼續禁止\n\n05:13.809 --> 05:42.135\n因為當時是禁止的而且86人他贊成就是要把他納入規範那在2015年內是有6成人是支持代孕的2成人沒有反對所以3次民調當中大概都有8成人支持給予代理孕母一個因懷孕所需要的費用跟損失部長難道不知道你們最近收集什麼意見五月底都提出那個布板你收集什麼意見所有意見你這樣反對人就拼命寫拼命講那個意見公平嗎公正嗎\n\n05:43.015 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09:37:03","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長就「我國人工生殖法制化作業進度」、「衛生福利部落實中央政府我國少子女化對策計畫之成效與未來規劃」及「衛生福利部本月因疏於督導地方評估特殊需求兒少利益所受監察院糾正之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。\n【10月7日及9日二天一次會】）","id":155267,"gazette":{"lineno":149,"blocks":[["陳委員昭姿：（9時25分）麻煩請邱部長，部長早安。"],["邱部長泰源：委員早。"],["陳委員昭姿：部長，CIA前一陣子公布了2024年全球生育率的預測，因為還差幾個月嘛，臺灣拿下第227名，生育率是1.11，南韓倒數第二名是1.12，新加坡是1.17，都還比我們前面。請看右邊這個數字，剛剛月琴委員也有稍微提到，今年是龍年，到8月為止，我們跟去年比，出生的人數少了3,000人，部長，民進黨愈拼愈糟糕，2016年有20萬人，每年降1萬，到去年是13萬，現在看來很不樂觀、很危險。所以部長，對於這個另類的傲視全球少子化成績，你要有一些想法，我現在用數字告訴你，是失敗的。部長，為了因應少子化問題，我知道大家也做了一些努力，原來在國健署有個少子女對策計畫，但是我要請問為什麼明年的計畫經費相較於今年還少了7億元，少了將近兩成？到底是國人不知道可以使用還是他不需要使用？還是他不符合使用規定？你知道嗎？你們是放棄了嗎？衛福部是放棄搶救少子化嗎？這編的錢還比去年少這麼多，這是第一個，編列的預算問題。","第二個，我要談的還是人工生殖法，2007年你就有基本的捐精捐卵的人工生殖法，到現在已經十七、八年了，那個法到現在都還沒有改變，等於是愈進步的法案，你完全沒有跟上，而且我們人工生殖的技術愈來愈進步，愈來愈成熟，完全按兵不動，所以，我要請國健署一週內給我一個資料，為什麼少子女的對策計畫今年還少編了7億元，將近兩成，可以嗎？一週內給我好嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，沒問題。"],["陳委員昭姿：我要了解一下，到底發生什麼事，我們來想辦法努力。"],["邱部長泰源：我們絕對不會輕視少子化的問題。"],["陳委員昭姿：但是數字愈來愈差，成績愈來愈差。"],["邱部長泰源：而是按照需求、按照實際上……"],["陳委員昭姿：但是要修正啦！"],["邱部長泰源：因為我們未滿2歲的人口數，114年比去年少了八千多人。"],["陳委員昭姿：少就是要想怎麼讓他變多嘛，不然少了就跟著變……"],["邱部長泰源：委員的卓見很好。"],["陳委員昭姿：那就跟著走，跟著往下走。"],["邱部長泰源：我們應該來做更精進的事情。"],["陳委員昭姿：讓他用得多才是對的。部長，你看一下，署長也可以一起看，這麼多企業，你能看出共同性嗎？這都是很有名的，NVIDIA、Netflix、American Express、Google，還有Meta、ESTEE LAUDER等等，你猜得出他們有什麼共同性嗎？太難了，我知道，部長現在看到的那些企業，包括很多耳熟能詳的，他們都是提供人工生殖補助的大企業。我要跟你說，像這個化妝品ESTEE LAUDER，它提供15萬美元的人工生殖福利，可以用在代理孕母跟試管嬰兒。為大家帶來希望跟夢想的迪士尼，也提供了7萬5,000美元的代理孕母福利。Google也是提供300萬臺幣的福利給代理孕母，光這個部分，就是說這些大企業在鼓勵員工成家。","我們來看看我們的臺灣之光──黃仁勳先生的輝達公司，大家可以去網站看，它被評比為代孕福利衝第一的最佳企業，他們在官網上寫的這段話很讓人感動：發展家庭的決定是一個重大的決定，在您人生生命中最重要的時刻之一，無論您走哪一條路，我們都會在這裡為您提供支援。資源可用於收養、生育測試跟試管嬰兒治療和代孕。無論您如何去擴大家庭，我們都會為您和您生命中最重要的人提供公平公正的支援。這是非常讓人感動的一段話，黃仁勳──臺灣之光！部長，家沒有一定的樣子，要怎麼組成家庭也沒有絕對的答案，我們不應該替別人指定選項，收養可以，代孕當然也可以，不分優劣高低，國家的法案政策應該是讓人民有選擇權，而不是粗暴地沒收一線生機。部長、署長，我說的就是代孕，代理孕母被沒收了幾十年，沒人這樣的，全世界都已經走到這個境界了。","我再跟你複習一下，署長，國健署三次國家民調，2010年、2013年、2015年，我簡單複習一下，這三次總的來說大概是有八成的人支持代孕，六成的人是支持，兩成的人沒有意見、不反對。2010年有超過一半贊成妻子無子宮就可以找人來代孕。2013年有68%，近七成的民眾不贊成繼續禁止，因為當時是禁止的，而且86%的人贊成要把它納入規範。2015年有六成的人是支持代孕的，兩成的人沒有反對，所以三次民調當中，大概都有八成五支持給予代理孕母因懷孕所需要的費用跟損失，部長難道不知道？你們最近蒐集什麼意見？5月底就提出部版了，你蒐集什麼意見？反對的人就拼命寫、拼命講，那個意見公平嗎？公正嗎？需要的人都躲在後面哭，在我後面哭啊！國家民調你不做，你為什麼不做一次民調，這幾個月來在蹉跎什麼？5月底公布，你現在不做民調，可是你不用花錢做民調了，十幾年前做的民調，大家都同意，哪有可能「倒退嚕」啦！哪有可能「倒退嚕」啦！怎麼可能更保守呢？國家民調自己要承認，好嗎？","部長，其實這次我看到衛福部部版人工生殖法，我是感謝的，因為這是相當平權，有照顧到每一個人，但是上週陳菁徽委員總質詢的時候，您說要10月底才能送到性平會，是嗎？我再跟您確認一次，什麼時候要送到性平會？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，現在我們經過了6次以上，可能更多的專家會議，的確最多的問題、雙方的意見、爭議，還是在代理孕母部分，所以我們很用心的……"],["陳委員昭姿：同一批人啦！已經很鳥籠代孕了，我們很擔心即便你的部版出來，都沒有人可以適用喔！你還在擋，部長，我就跟你說過了……"],["邱部長泰源：現在時程是這樣，我們希望國民健康署能夠在11月……"],["陳委員昭姿：你也是性平會委員啊！"],["邱部長泰源：11月送到衛福部，經過衛福部法規會相關的處理以後，我們……"],["陳委員昭姿：這二零零幾年就開始做了啦！做了2、30年了啦！"],["邱部長泰源：預計12月會送到行政院。"],["陳委員昭姿：你認為性平會有權力退回衛福部的法案嗎？它上次這樣做啦！它上次會前會沒有把它放在議程裡啊！它上次這樣做，你允許嗎？你允許性平會再把你的法案退回去，不列在議程裡面嗎？部長，你一直說要凝聚共識再送審，這30年沒有共識，我們再等30年嗎？部長，天下有什麼事有共識？共識是誰的共識？共識是誰的共識？賴清德總統也才40%而已，他就當總統了，我的代孕有80%，兩倍耶！為什麼他可以當總統，我的代孕不能過？你要找誰找共識？什麼叫共識？兩倍耶！","部長，來看一下賴總統、你的上司、賴立委，任何一個政策都因為社會少數人的意見，不可能得到百分之百的共識，就是要去處理，過去的同婚法不就是如此嗎？五五比我們還是讓它過啦！任何有洞見的執政者能夠摒棄隔絕這樣的聲音，才是能夠做出對國家人權最有利的決定。你看賴清德立委2002年就是這樣有先見之明的人，他提出了代孕法案，那是22年前耶！將近23年了，他還調查了很多，做了一個非常完整、很感人的一個法案說明。部長，我必須相信你會延續他的意志，不然你去問他啊！你隨時可以找得到他，也可以打電話跟他抱怨別人啊！你當然可以跟他講，問他說昭姿說你支持他，是不是真的？他一定說是真的。他在國宴時也跟我說有，說我一直告訴人家說他二十幾年前就開始支持，他說支持啊！你去問總統，衛福部版本人工生殖法讓單身、同性、子宮有病女性在這個草版裡面，都能夠有機會拿回他們籌組家庭的權利。永遠沒有共識啦！你要等到什麼時候？要等到什麼時候？","我很討厭的這個團體辦很多直播，一直在說代孕有問題，然後不曉得誰讓他待在性平會，待了一輩子，他說什麼瘋話你知道嗎？同性伴侶跟單身有燃眉之急，子宮有病變的人先放一邊，部長，這個就是剝削、這個就是階級化，他來決定誰需要、誰不需要，單身跟同性有燃眉之急，這個我們都支持，子宮有病變的人你放一邊脫鉤不做？部長，你也是性平會委員，你會輸他嗎？你敢說出來嗎？你以前也是支持的喔！你也是提案支持代孕的喔！把人的需求分高低前後，實在讓人覺得噁心、可惡！下次你就遇得到。","最後，部長，一個進步的法案真的有需要為了永遠的少數反對者，在那邊繼續蹉跎嗎？再一個30年嗎？部長，代孕在全世界都只有小於1%的出錯率。我告訴你，臺灣離婚率大概30%；我考過你，收養終止率多少？黃淑英一直叫人去收養，你知道收養終止率多少嗎？我那天才跟你說而已，我洩題過，你記得嗎？答案你記得嗎？社家署知道啊！臺灣的收養終止率57%、58%，各位媒體朋友，六成的收養終止率，為什麼你認為代孕要完美的演出？不允許它有一點點出錯率嗎？它小於1%，如果你認為要用出錯率，這群女人講的要用出錯率去決定要不要通過一個法案，我告訴你，我們要禁止的是結婚、婚姻，因為婚姻出錯率有30%；我們要禁止的是收養，因為收養出錯率有60%。部長，要想一想各種狀況，你為什麼要讓這些人──沒有理智、沒有需求的健康、自私人在擋住我的法案呢？我的法案不是我要用的，很多人在等，子宮有病變是他們想要的嗎？法案趕快出來吧！在性平會好好地把你的立場站穩，部長你要站穩喔！你的老闆也是支持喔！"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["陳委員昭姿：署長，也麻煩你了，你們都是性平會的委員，謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝陳昭姿委員，支持你啦！謝謝部長。","接續我們請陳菁徽委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":346,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-2","speakers":["蘇清泉","林月琴","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","廖偉翔","盧縣一","林淑芬","邱鎮軍","王育敏","王正旭","黃秀芳","李坤城","楊曜","黃國昌","鍾佳濱","林楚茵","洪申翰","黃捷","吳春城","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","何欣純","林宜瑾","羅智強","張雅琳","涂權吉","陳培瑜","劉建國","陳瑩","林倩綺","張嘉郡"],"page_start":257,"meetingDate":["2024-10-09"],"gazette_id":"1138201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138201_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請衛生福利部部長就「我國人工生殖法制化作業進度」、「衛生福利部落實中央政府我國少子\n女化對策計畫之成效與未來規劃」及「衛生福利部本月因疏於督導地方評估特殊需求兒少利益所\n受監察院糾正之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138201_00005"}}}