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Petaflops。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是。"],["張委員雅琳：那我想問一下，我們有掌握其他國家未來對於算力的建置規劃嗎？不然我們怎麼可以喊出前十？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們當然也會評估各國現在的進展，但是依照我們的估計，未來如果順利，預算能夠通過，我們會逐步建置我們的算力。"],["張委員雅琳：其實全世界，不管是在很多國家的私人系統，包含微軟、Google、Amazon、Meta、輝達等等，其實都有一起來投入算力的建置……"],["吳主任委員誠文：是，是。"],["張委員雅琳：所以我就想請教主委，我們是不是可以建立一個算力國家隊呢？我們有沒有公私協力的規劃跟計畫？"],["吳主任委員誠文：有，但這還不能公布，就是我們有跟產業界聯繫，除了現在已經公開的部分，即公部門的建設未來4年會達到480 Petaflops外……"],["張委員雅琳：對，我知道。"],["吳主任委員誠文：希望能夠引進產業界的實力，我們有好幾個廠商都有能力來建置。"],["張委員雅琳：所以現在已經在洽談中了，對不對？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們在洽談中。"],["張委員雅琳：預計什麼時候會組成國家隊呢？是明年嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：明年只要預算能夠順利，因為政府的投入是很重要的因素，能夠吸引廠商也投入，這是我們要先有的作法。"],["張委員雅琳：好，關於算力的建置跟提升計畫，是不是有一些相關期程報告可以提供給我們辦公室？好不好？"],["吳主任委員誠文：好。"],["張委員雅琳：好，一個月，謝謝。"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，謝謝委員。"],["張委員雅琳：謝謝召委。"],["主席：謝謝張雅琳委員。","接下來有請陳秀寳委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":428,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-3","speakers":["萬美玲","林倩綺","洪孟楷","柯志恩","陳培瑜","張雅琳","陳秀寳","林宜瑾","郭昱晴","范雲","吳沛憶","葛如鈞","葉元之","吳春城","王定宇","鍾佳濱","羅廷瑋","羅智強","陳冠廷","張嘉郡","邱志偉"],"page_start":375,"meetingDate":["2024-10-09"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00012"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138101_00017"}}}