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00:01:42,274\n現在移送到行政院了那相關的行政院的協調工作現在正在做行政院的各處是有任何的一些疑義或者需要我們再補充資料的我們都目前正在密切的聯繫當中目前進度都正常有掌握那個期程嗎大概評估什麼時候可以有一個可以達到我們送立院核備的這樣一個期程\n\n6\n00:01:44,496 --> 00:02:05,707\n這個可能要看行政院目前那邊我們的資料的回覆的一個情形才能夠看什麼時候可以核定目前進入都是正常因為所謂的正常就是我們有設定騎乘所以它才叫正常但我們希望越快越好那如果說在我們正常的騎乘之下大概會是什麼時候\n\n7\n00:02:06,827 --> 00:02:13,194\n現在還有陳副的意見嗎?現在目前還是有,當然我們把陳副的意見寫完再回覆給他們。如果說現在有什麼樣的進度,請隨時跟我們講現在的一個進度的狀況,好不好?因為我們希望他就是越快越好啦。\n\n8\n00:02:28,850 --> 00:02:29,070\n馬文君主席\n\n9\n00:02:51,289 --> 00:02:51,329\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n10\n00:03:11,841 --> 00:03:16,843\n我們希望可以做到最好那你在這裡還有這樣的差異是覺得我們的軍人在服役期間或者他的那個還是比不上我們剛剛提到的這些像警校啊空警啊海巡人員嗎就這個部分要怎麼樣去積極的爭取那所有的健保部分因為包括\n\n11\n00:03:37,133 --> 00:04:00,740\n不是只有在我們退服體系的這樣子的還有軍醫院而是包括衛福部甚至他們在其他的臺大醫院雲林分院連江縣的醫院其實都有這些健保部分負擔費用由政府全力補助的福利主委這個公平的待遇你可以積極的在替我們所有的同袍爭取嗎\n\n12\n00:04:01,761 --> 00:04:18,636\n謝謝委員關心,照顧我們的榮民是我們基本的職責,我們一定要來舉例來爭取,那這個工作有關於有職的榮民退下去之後,原來是因為退伍的軍階,按照軍階的比例要付費\n\n13\n00:04:19,637 --> 00:04:23,320\n主委,他其實他最重要的一點是因為\n\n14\n00:04:37,129 --> 00:04:59,958\n過去因為像錦霄海巡跟空勤人遠慶他們沒有這一部分的優惠他在108年行政院才通過這樣子的一個補助的方案所以我們也希望至少我們的軍人其實因為通常軍錦霄軍錦霄大家在念的時候大家都是一致的可是你現在變成說我們軍人受到的照顧跟福利反而比較少這個部分我們希望\n\n15\n00:05:02,139 --> 00:05:02,359\n是,是,我們極力爭取\n\n16\n00:05:30,844 --> 00:05:38,960\n另外針對恢復退除役上校階以上官兵子女教育補助費的部分\n\n17\n00:05:43,154 --> 00:06:05,334\n本委員會在4月間由王昭偉提案不分黨派委員其實都同時聯署臨時提案建請國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會有關上校階以上領奉人員子女教育補助費的事情因積極研議並爭取以促進退伍跑者的權益那在上個會期6月13號\n\n18\n00:06:08,937 --> 00:06:33,389\n歐小林委員他也有提案就有18個人共同聯署國軍退除役官兵輔導條例徵定第27條之2條文草案當時的決定雖然是保留可是要另外擇期繼續審查是主要是要讓退輔會有時間去跟行政院做一個溝通因為這個案子他增加的預算是只有5000萬\n\n19\n00:06:34,730 --> 00:06:40,212\n可是他對於在整個我們在所有的退除役不管你的階級是什麼可是你突然把上校拿掉其實這個會造成很不公平的一個感覺所以這一次退補會的業務報告上面也沒有納入我想請教一下那現在的進度是怎麼樣\n\n20\n00:06:58,159 --> 00:07:24,833\n上個會期最後委員會的決議就希望我們盡量再去爭取再去溝通協調我們這一段時間一直跟行政委員總人總保持聯繫他們也希望我們提供上下的機具退伍人員的機具相關的一些人數人員資料相關的資料我們都提供給人總這段時間一直保持聯繫跟回覆\n\n21\n00:07:25,453 --> 00:07:50,316\n所以目前還是正在研議當中我們希望能夠盡快恢復當然同時也希望能夠照顧到公教對這個部分因為為什麼我們要特別提出來我們在整體的總預算上面我們的金額不斷的增加而且甚至包括現在大家最詬病的就是媒體的宣傳費用其實它增\n\n22\n00:07:50,836 --> 00:07:50,916\n馬文君\n\n23\n00:08:12,813 --> 00:08:13,173\n﹚馬文君\n\n24\n00:08:28,686 --> 00:08:33,588\n那接下來如果說有什麼樣進度也麻煩報告我們委員會那另外還要再特別提到的就是退府會他成立的目的他主要是照顧農民如果有很多的\n\n25\n00:08:45,214 --> 00:08:45,554\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n26\n00:09:04,525 --> 00:09:15,777\n我們像現在我們看到施治老人的照顧我們現在在計劃當中有無所容加設立施治園區我們施治床增加了502床總床位將達到1145\n\n27\n00:09:21,943 --> 00:09:43,230\n這個佔全國老人福利機構施治老人床位6成以上就是由我們退府會其實會提供6成以上施治老人照顧的這樣子的床位那在相關的這個未來的照護人力會增加護理人員56人還有照服員441人人力需求經費會達到2億7千多萬我特別要提出來是\n\n28\n00:09:48,391 --> 00:10:03,447\n也有委員希望你們滾動式的調整為什麼說我們成立的目的是照顧農民因為你會入住農家有些一住可能5年10年甚至20年都有可能你現在看出來他可能還有空床\n\n29\n00:10:04,028 --> 00:10:07,711\n可是當他們需要的時候因為你現在榮民不是以前的那些老伯伯因為他們很多單身或者說他們就是需要這樣的照顧可是未來我們的社會趨勢可能像失智或者必須有接受長照這樣照顧的人數也會增加所以我們為什麼要有一定比例的一個床位的配比而不是你現在看到說他有空位\n\n30\n00:10:30,069 --> 00:10:52,627\n你就讓所有的人都可以進來那未來如果有榮民要住的時候你可以把現在的一般民眾把他趕出去嗎這個部分我們希望退府會還是要堅持我們現在我們設立的一個主要的目的剛剛我們還有提到的就是他人力的部分我們現在剛剛看到我們有一千多名的一些照護需求\n\n31\n00:10:53,468 --> 00:10:54,909\n對,我們研究現在又怎麼樣自顧\n\n32\n00:11:11,058 --> 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因為我們剛剛提到的是你們要滾動式的調整所以我不知道你的滾動叫什麼滾動可是你要把那個我們榮民他的比例降低呢還是你要怎麼樣我想這個必須要所以我們還是希望有一些部分\n708647\t708687\t謝謝委員指導\n","txt":"謝謝主席麻煩請主委請言主委\n主委好,因為在上個會期我們有提到幾個跟退役軍人的福利措施上面可能有一些建議或者決議那想要了解一下現在目前推動的情形\n大概有兩項比較大的就是有職業榮民在就醫醫療優惠的部分看今天的報告裡面他有說明現在修正國軍退除役官兵就醫辦法\n凡臨有榮民政者到本會所屬醫療機構就醫其健保自行負擔費用由退府會全額補助現在陳鮑行政院核定後施行我想要在這裡請教主委就是說我們這個優惠目前已經公告了嘛是不是公告公告過了開過審議會了那什麼時候會送立院盒背\n現在移送到行政院了那相關的行政院的協調工作現在正在做行政院的各處是有任何的一些疑義或者需要我們再補充資料的我們都目前正在密切的聯繫當中目前進度都正常有掌握那個期程嗎大概評估什麼時候可以有一個可以達到我們送立院核備的這樣一個期程\n這個可能要看行政院目前那邊我們的資料的回覆的一個情形才能夠看什麼時候可以核定目前進入都是正常因為所謂的正常就是我們有設定騎乘所以它才叫正常但我們希望越快越好那如果說在我們正常的騎乘之下大概會是什麼時候\n現在還有陳副的意見嗎?現在目前還是有,當然我們把陳副的意見寫完再回覆給他們。如果說現在有什麼樣的進度,請隨時跟我們講現在的一個進度的狀況,好不好?因為我們希望他就是越快越好啦。\n馬文君主席\n﹚馬文君﹚\n我們希望可以做到最好那你在這裡還有這樣的差異是覺得我們的軍人在服役期間或者他的那個還是比不上我們剛剛提到的這些像警校啊空警啊海巡人員嗎就這個部分要怎麼樣去積極的爭取那所有的健保部分因為包括\n不是只有在我們退服體系的這樣子的還有軍醫院而是包括衛福部甚至他們在其他的臺大醫院雲林分院連江縣的醫院其實都有這些健保部分負擔費用由政府全力補助的福利主委這個公平的待遇你可以積極的在替我們所有的同袍爭取嗎\n謝謝委員關心,照顧我們的榮民是我們基本的職責,我們一定要來舉例來爭取,那這個工作有關於有職的榮民退下去之後,原來是因為退伍的軍階,按照軍階的比例要付費\n主委,他其實他最重要的一點是因為\n過去因為像錦霄海巡跟空勤人遠慶他們沒有這一部分的優惠他在108年行政院才通過這樣子的一個補助的方案所以我們也希望至少我們的軍人其實因為通常軍錦霄軍錦霄大家在念的時候大家都是一致的可是你現在變成說我們軍人受到的照顧跟福利反而比較少這個部分我們希望\n是,是,我們極力爭取\n另外針對恢復退除役上校階以上官兵子女教育補助費的部分\n本委員會在4月間由王昭偉提案不分黨派委員其實都同時聯署臨時提案建請國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會有關上校階以上領奉人員子女教育補助費的事情因積極研議並爭取以促進退伍跑者的權益那在上個會期6月13號\n歐小林委員他也有提案就有18個人共同聯署國軍退除役官兵輔導條例徵定第27條之2條文草案當時的決定雖然是保留可是要另外擇期繼續審查是主要是要讓退輔會有時間去跟行政院做一個溝通因為這個案子他增加的預算是只有5000萬\n可是他對於在整個我們在所有的退除役不管你的階級是什麼可是你突然把上校拿掉其實這個會造成很不公平的一個感覺所以這一次退補會的業務報告上面也沒有納入我想請教一下那現在的進度是怎麼樣\n上個會期最後委員會的決議就希望我們盡量再去爭取再去溝通協調我們這一段時間一直跟行政委員總人總保持聯繫他們也希望我們提供上下的機具退伍人員的機具相關的一些人數人員資料相關的資料我們都提供給人總這段時間一直保持聯繫跟回覆\n所以目前還是正在研議當中我們希望能夠盡快恢復當然同時也希望能夠照顧到公教對 這個部分因為為什麼我們要特別提出來我們在整體的總預算上面我們的金額不斷的增加而且甚至包括現在大家最詬病的就是媒體的宣傳費用其實它增\n馬文君\n﹚馬文君\n那接下來如果說有什麼樣進度也麻煩報告我們委員會那另外還要再特別提到的就是退府會他成立的目的他主要是照顧農民如果有很多的\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n我們像現在我們看到施治老人的照顧我們現在在計劃當中有無所容加設立施治園區我們施治床增加了502床總床位將達到1145\n這個佔全國老人福利機構施治老人床位6成以上就是由我們退府會其實會提供6成以上施治老人照顧的這樣子的床位那在相關的這個未來的照護人力會增加護理人員56人還有照服員441人人力需求經費會達到2億7千多萬我特別要提出來是\n也有委員希望你們滾動式的調整為什麼說我們成立的目的是照顧農民因為你會入住農家有些一住可能5年10年甚至20年都有可能你現在看出來他可能還有空床\n可是當他們需要的時候因為你現在榮民不是以前的那些老伯伯因為他們很多單身或者說他們就是需要這樣的照顧可是未來我們的社會趨勢可能像失智或者必須有接受長照這樣照顧的人數也會增加所以我們為什麼要有一定比例的一個床位的配比而不是你現在看到說他有空位\n你就讓所有的人都可以進來那未來如果有榮民要住的時候你可以把現在的一般民眾把他趕出去嗎這個部分我們希望退府會還是要堅持我們現在我們設立的一個主要的目的剛剛我們還有提到的就是他人力的部分我們現在剛剛看到我們有一千多名的一些照護需求\n對,我們研究現在又怎麼樣自顧\n既然你已經有這麼多的床位應該要怎麼樣做一個更好更妥適的一個規劃安排我想這個可能還是要去床位跟委員報告我們會控制一定的比例現在目前最多的比例一般民眾區域是18%那其他大部分大概有八成以上還是照顧我們的人民都有控制一些成料\n對 因為我們剛剛提到的是你們要滾動式的調整所以我不知道你的滾動叫什麼滾動可是你要把那個我們榮民他的比例降低呢還是你要怎麼樣我想這個必須要所以我們還是希望有一些部分\n謝謝委員指導\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.581 --> 00:04.708\n謝謝主席麻煩請主委請言主委\n\n00:13.071 --> 00:31.321\n主委好,因為在上個會期我們有提到幾個跟退役軍人的福利措施上面可能有一些建議或者決議那想要了解一下現在目前推動的情形\n\n00:32.682 --> 00:49.647\n大概有兩項比較大的就是有職業榮民在就醫醫療優惠的部分看今天的報告裡面他有說明現在修正國軍退除役官兵就醫辦法\n\n00:52.170 --> 01:13.848\n凡臨有榮民政者到本會所屬醫療機構就醫其健保自行負擔費用由退府會全額補助現在陳鮑行政院核定後施行我想要在這裡請教主委就是說我們這個優惠目前已經公告了嘛是不是公告公告過了開過審議會了那什麼時候會送立院盒背\n\n01:17.791 --> 01:42.274\n現在移送到行政院了那相關的行政院的協調工作現在正在做行政院的各處是有任何的一些疑義或者需要我們再補充資料的我們都目前正在密切的聯繫當中目前進度都正常有掌握那個期程嗎大概評估什麼時候可以有一個可以達到我們送立院核備的這樣一個期程\n\n01:44.496 --> 02:05.707\n這個可能要看行政院目前那邊我們的資料的回覆的一個情形才能夠看什麼時候可以核定目前進入都是正常因為所謂的正常就是我們有設定騎乘所以它才叫正常但我們希望越快越好那如果說在我們正常的騎乘之下大概會是什麼時候\n\n02:06.827 --> 02:13.194\n現在還有陳副的意見嗎?現在目前還是有,當然我們把陳副的意見寫完再回覆給他們。如果說現在有什麼樣的進度,請隨時跟我們講現在的一個進度的狀況,好不好?因為我們希望他就是越快越好啦。\n\n02:28.850 --> 02:29.070\n馬文君主席\n\n02:51.289 --> 02:51.329\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n03:11.841 --> 03:16.843\n我們希望可以做到最好那你在這裡還有這樣的差異是覺得我們的軍人在服役期間或者他的那個還是比不上我們剛剛提到的這些像警校啊空警啊海巡人員嗎就這個部分要怎麼樣去積極的爭取那所有的健保部分因為包括\n\n03:37.133 --> 04:00.740\n不是只有在我們退服體系的這樣子的還有軍醫院而是包括衛福部甚至他們在其他的臺大醫院雲林分院連江縣的醫院其實都有這些健保部分負擔費用由政府全力補助的福利主委這個公平的待遇你可以積極的在替我們所有的同袍爭取嗎\n\n04:01.761 --> 04:18.636\n謝謝委員關心,照顧我們的榮民是我們基本的職責,我們一定要來舉例來爭取,那這個工作有關於有職的榮民退下去之後,原來是因為退伍的軍階,按照軍階的比例要付費\n\n04:19.637 --> 04:23.320\n主委,他其實他最重要的一點是因為\n\n04:37.129 --> 04:59.958\n過去因為像錦霄海巡跟空勤人遠慶他們沒有這一部分的優惠他在108年行政院才通過這樣子的一個補助的方案所以我們也希望至少我們的軍人其實因為通常軍錦霄軍錦霄大家在念的時候大家都是一致的可是你現在變成說我們軍人受到的照顧跟福利反而比較少這個部分我們希望\n\n05:02.139 --> 05:02.359\n是,是,我們極力爭取\n\n05:30.844 --> 05:38.960\n另外針對恢復退除役上校階以上官兵子女教育補助費的部分\n\n05:43.154 --> 06:05.334\n本委員會在4月間由王昭偉提案不分黨派委員其實都同時聯署臨時提案建請國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會有關上校階以上領奉人員子女教育補助費的事情因積極研議並爭取以促進退伍跑者的權益那在上個會期6月13號\n\n06:08.937 --> 06:33.389\n歐小林委員他也有提案就有18個人共同聯署國軍退除役官兵輔導條例徵定第27條之2條文草案當時的決定雖然是保留可是要另外擇期繼續審查是主要是要讓退輔會有時間去跟行政院做一個溝通因為這個案子他增加的預算是只有5000萬\n\n06:34.730 --> 06:40.212\n可是他對於在整個我們在所有的退除役不管你的階級是什麼可是你突然把上校拿掉其實這個會造成很不公平的一個感覺所以這一次退補會的業務報告上面也沒有納入我想請教一下那現在的進度是怎麼樣\n\n06:58.159 --> 07:24.833\n上個會期最後委員會的決議就希望我們盡量再去爭取再去溝通協調我們這一段時間一直跟行政委員總人總保持聯繫他們也希望我們提供上下的機具退伍人員的機具相關的一些人數人員資料相關的資料我們都提供給人總這段時間一直保持聯繫跟回覆\n\n07:25.453 --> 07:50.316\n所以目前還是正在研議當中我們希望能夠盡快恢復當然同時也希望能夠照顧到公教對這個部分因為為什麼我們要特別提出來我們在整體的總預算上面我們的金額不斷的增加而且甚至包括現在大家最詬病的就是媒體的宣傳費用其實它增\n\n07:50.836 --> 07:50.916\n馬文君\n\n08:12.813 --> 08:13.173\n﹚馬文君\n\n08:28.686 --> 08:33.588\n那接下來如果說有什麼樣進度也麻煩報告我們委員會那另外還要再特別提到的就是退府會他成立的目的他主要是照顧農民如果有很多的\n\n08:45.214 --> 08:45.554\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n09:04.525 --> 09:15.777\n我們像現在我們看到施治老人的照顧我們現在在計劃當中有無所容加設立施治園區我們施治床增加了502床總床位將達到1145\n\n09:21.943 --> 09:43.230\n這個佔全國老人福利機構施治老人床位6成以上就是由我們退府會其實會提供6成以上施治老人照顧的這樣子的床位那在相關的這個未來的照護人力會增加護理人員56人還有照服員441人人力需求經費會達到2億7千多萬我特別要提出來是\n\n09:48.391 --> 10:03.447\n也有委員希望你們滾動式的調整為什麼說我們成立的目的是照顧農民因為你會入住農家有些一住可能5年10年甚至20年都有可能你現在看出來他可能還有空床\n\n10:04.028 --> 10:07.711\n可是當他們需要的時候因為你現在榮民不是以前的那些老伯伯因為他們很多單身或者說他們就是需要這樣的照顧可是未來我們的社會趨勢可能像失智或者必須有接受長照這樣照顧的人數也會增加所以我們為什麼要有一定比例的一個床位的配比而不是你現在看到說他有空位\n\n10:30.069 --> 10:52.627\n你就讓所有的人都可以進來那未來如果有榮民要住的時候你可以把現在的一般民眾把他趕出去嗎這個部分我們希望退府會還是要堅持我們現在我們設立的一個主要的目的剛剛我們還有提到的就是他人力的部分我們現在剛剛看到我們有一千多名的一些照護需求\n\n10:53.468 --> 10:54.909\n對,我們研究現在又怎麼樣自顧\n\n11:11.058 --> 11:32.496\n既然你已經有這麼多的床位應該要怎麼樣做一個更好更妥適的一個規劃安排我想這個可能還是要去床位跟委員報告我們會控制一定的比例現在目前最多的比例一般民眾區域是18%那其他大部分大概有八成以上還是照顧我們的人民都有控制一些成料\n\n11:32.956 --> 11:36.579\n對因為我們剛剛提到的是你們要滾動式的調整所以我不知道你的滾動叫什麼滾動可是你要把那個我們榮民他的比例降低呢還是你要怎麼樣我想這個必須要所以我們還是希望有一些部分\n\n11:48.647 --> 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