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00:03:31,014\n我們國會會從2019年開始辦理第三期的國家太空科技發展長程計劃這個計劃本來是要到2028年就是從2019到2028年但目前是有意將計劃延長到2031年並且計劃裡面會新增V5G計劃還有那個同步軌道衛星計劃以及太空發展相關的計劃都會納入\n\n9\n00:03:49,744 --> 00:04:08,601\n那預計要增加400億元喔但是國科會這邊有說要修正這個整個計畫納入之後要修正這個將近一年都沒有進展我想請問主委說目前你們這個整個計畫你們的修正的研議程度是進度到如何那你們什麼時候才會把計畫送到行政院來確定\n\n10\n00:04:09,841 --> 00:04:27,887\n包括陳委員其實我們修正的方向已經大略確定了那我們在下個禮拜會有一個衛星通訊的這個SRB就是全國的產學研各界共同討論我們未來衛星通訊整個國家策略的發展\n\n11\n00:04:29,047 --> 00:04:52,436\n現在大概目標都已經完善了下禮拜的會議結束以後我們在太空計畫的修正在下次的董事會也會定案那朝向邁向我們原來是這個遙測衛星跟氣象衛星邁向真正通訊衛星的這個時代這是一個非常艱鉅的任務那因為要帶進很多新的技術\n\n12\n00:04:53,581 --> 00:04:53,601\n秀寳\n\n13\n00:05:10,558 --> 00:05:16,220\n因為現在雖然目前我們的總預算還被在野黨他們推在程序委員會但是本期希望說國會這邊要很積極的來關於這個部分你們的修正你們的計畫跟你們的期程要符合你們本來的規定你們本來你們的規劃因為我們要增加的是高達400億的計畫讓整個的預算規模可能會超過650億所以這個計畫不能再拖好那剛才主委你也提到說關於這個低軌的通訊衛星非常的重要\n\n14\n00:05:38,346 --> 00:05:56,098\n雖然它比較困難但是它真的是非常的重要我們在第三期裡面增加的這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫呢也原本預計在2026年要發射但是因為疫情種種的因素呢那我們估計太空中心這邊估計說要到2027年才能發射我想請教主委目前我們這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫進度怎麼樣在2027年能不能如期的發射\n\n15\n00:06:05,933 --> 00:06:17,285\n我們的確是因為疫情那幾年全世界發射廠等等都中斷了所以有延後了那我們在2027我們可以規劃2027可以發射是可如期的主委有這個信心\n\n16\n00:06:25,556 --> 00:06:45,010\n主委有信心在2027年可以如期發射?現在有信心B5G的低軌衛星是通訊衛星國科會也在研議是否要爭取納入國家公共基礎建設?主委這個部分我們研議了如何?預計什麼時候可以完成評估?\n\n17\n00:06:46,618 --> 00:06:47,960\n所以你們目前的評估是覺得說\n\n18\n00:07:01,018 --> 00:07:05,422\n在短短幾年內因為這個技術非常的困難那我們還要尋求國際合作目前已經在洽談當中本期這邊也要提醒國科會V5G低軌衛星計畫也是台灣第一個通訊的衛星發射計畫那也會奠定我們國內的這個低軌通訊衛星的這個基礎那也希望說就可以帶動到我們整個產業鏈的發展\n\n19\n00:07:29,821 --> 00:07:36,004\n但是呢通訊衛星存在有關的通訊資料這個國會這邊應該也要延將來辦理相關資通安全的計畫主委你覺得沒有錯我們下禮拜的會也把通訊衛星通訊的資安的項目也納進來那個非常重要項目謝謝委員提醒\n\n20\n00:07:48,584 --> 00:08:16,253\n接下來我要請教主委我們國科會這邊也在積極的推動所謂主權AI的這個政策那其實之前輝達執行長或是AMD的執行長相繼來台我們其實有傳出說輝達跟AMD有意在台設立研發中心那我們主委也很積極的赴美拜訪相關的產業龍頭請問主委現在有沒有好消息有好消息他們會按照計畫進行所以你現在還不能公佈有任何的進度\n\n21\n00:08:19,606 --> 00:08:21,333\n因為可能現在正在簽約的階段\n\n22\n00:08:26,413 --> 00:08:50,381\n提到這個部分主權AI的這個部分我們所要發展的其實因為其實輝達執行長也一直提倡說主權AI這個部分希望我們台灣要自行建立自己的資料庫我們自己的算力及雲端服務系統都要提升但我們台灣目前的狀況就是說我們通訊軟體都是使用國外現在大家現在使用非常普遍非常方便LINE我們的資料中心都一樣是國外這其實對國家的安全有一定的疑慮\n\n23\n00:08:51,121 --> 00:09:01,880\n所以希望說我們主權AI的這個部分我客會你們也要有一個長期的規劃而且要有一個制定一個目標那現在是不是可以透露說你們目前對這個有什麼規劃\n\n24\n00:09:03,632 --> 00:09:21,160\n主權AI嗎有我們在114年我們已經啟動一些跨部會的這個合作包含我們要建立我們自自主的運算資料中心以及超級電腦然後發展我們自主的AI的系統能夠支持我們其他\n\n25\n00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,061\n所以國科會這邊已經有左手在規劃這個部分好了最後本席這邊要提醒國科會我們建立主權AI的前提是要需要有一部完善的法規\n\n26\n00:09:45,774 --> 00:10:04,053\n包括AI使用的界限AI隱私權等等的規範所以AI基本法應該要儘速的提出我們要完備AI自通安全AI基本法就要趕快提出那這個會期主委你們能送到立法院嗎報告委員我們AI基本法預告結束預告結束後我們\n\n27\n00:10:05,054 --> 00:10:05,794\n李怡瑾委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1873\t5097\t謝主席請國科會吳主委有請吳主委陳委員好\n10200\t39546\t早安各位長期都有關心關於科普教育的推動那從上一屆第10屆開始就一直敦促國科會這邊要擴大辦理關於科普列車但也很感謝我們國科會這邊存善如流也一直持續的在辦理但是我發現說科普列車辦理這麼多年實際上我們供學生體驗的時間他只有在上車的這段時間到下一個車站其實這個因為他一站一站這樣子走\n39986\t66912\t學生上來體驗完之後學生下車那換下一批的學生上來所以他其實他體驗的時間很短暫只有大概30到40分鐘那這樣子的一個短暫的時間其實對科普教育的持續深化其實效果應該算是蠻有限的這邊想請教主委在學生他們體驗完科普列車之後我們國科會這邊有沒有預計如何繼續的持續來深化這些科普教育\n67964\t95072\t我們其實有給參與這個科普教育的學者計劃那個計劃除了科普列車引起這些年輕中小學的學生的興趣之外那我們也希望說將來他們跟這個大學教授所帶領的這個科普的團隊能夠也連結起來在地方上因為所有的教授也遍佈在全國地方上連結以後他們就可以持續的在那個各大學在地方的場域\n95632\t124460\t就不斷的可以有接觸那那個教育部其實也在持續在深耕科學教育的部分那主委的意思是說科普列車是一個起點那你們會讓後面的部分讓教師教授來接手嗎那其實這邊我要向國科會這邊來建議是不是我們也可以參考一下故宮的這個創客模範列車的這個方式他是結合跨領域的學科來連結故宮的文物而且是深入校園來推廣\n125520\t144582\t﹗\n144582\t157773\t﹏﹏\n157861\t179726\t好謝謝陳委員這個建議很好我們來研議一下因為很多教材都是教授發展出來的看看怎麼樣由他們來推廣推廣這些教材我們也可以來協助這個部分也希望說主委你近來已經承諾說你們會來思考說如何讓這些教材這些教具可以善加的利用還可以能夠普及到這些小朋友\n180006\t180246\t接下來我要請教\n208112\t211014\t我們國會會從2019年開始辦理第三期的國家太空科技發展長程計劃這個計劃本來是要到2028年就是從2019到2028年但目前是有意將計劃延長到2031年並且計劃裡面會新增V5G計劃還有那個同步軌道衛星計劃以及太空發展相關的計劃都會納入\n229744\t248601\t那預計要增加400億元喔但是國科會這邊有說要修正這個整個計畫納入之後要修正這個將近一年都沒有進展我想請問主委說目前你們這個整個計畫你們的修正的研議程度是進度到如何那你們什麼時候才會把計畫送到行政院來確定\n249841\t267887\t包括陳委員其實我們修正的方向已經大略確定了那我們在下個禮拜會有一個衛星通訊的這個SRB就是全國的產學研各界共同討論我們未來衛星通訊整個國家策略的發展\n269047\t292436\t現在大概目標都已經完善了下禮拜的會議結束以後我們在太空計畫的修正在下次的董事會也會定案那朝向邁向我們原來是這個遙測衛星跟氣象衛星邁向真正通訊衛星的這個時代這是一個非常艱鉅的任務那因為要帶進很多新的技術\n293581\t293601\t秀寳\n310558\t316220\t因為現在雖然目前我們的總預算還被在野黨他們推在程序委員會但是本期希望說國會這邊要很積極的來關於這個部分你們的修正你們的計畫跟你們的期程要符合你們本來的規定你們本來你們的規劃因為我們要增加的是高達400億的計畫讓整個的預算規模可能會超過650億所以這個計畫不能再拖好那剛才主委你也提到說關於這個低軌的通訊衛星非常的重要\n338346\t356098\t雖然它比較困難但是它真的是非常的重要我們在第三期裡面增加的這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫呢也原本預計在2026年要發射但是因為疫情種種的因素呢那我們估計太空中心這邊估計說要到2027年才能發射我想請教主委目前我們這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫進度怎麼樣在2027年能不能如期的發射\n365933\t377285\t我們的確是因為疫情那幾年全世界發射廠等等都中斷了所以有延後了那我們在2027我們可以規劃2027可以發射是可如期的主委有這個信心\n385556\t405010\t主委有信心在2027年可以如期發射?現在有信心B5G的低軌衛星是通訊衛星國科會也在研議是否要爭取納入國家公共基礎建設?主委這個部分我們研議了如何?預計什麼時候可以完成評估?\n406618\t407960\t所以你們目前的評估是覺得說\n421018\t425422\t在短短幾年內因為這個技術非常的困難那我們還要尋求國際合作目前已經在洽談當中本期這邊也要提醒國科會V5G低軌衛星計畫也是台灣第一個通訊的衛星發射計畫那也會奠定我們國內的這個低軌通訊衛星的這個基礎那也希望說就可以帶動到我們整個產業鏈的發展\n449821\t456004\t但是呢通訊衛星存在有關的通訊資料這個國會這邊應該也要延將來辦理相關資通安全的計畫主委你覺得沒有錯我們下禮拜的會也把通訊衛星通訊的資安的項目也納進來那個非常重要項目謝謝委員提醒\n468584\t496253\t接下來我要請教主委我們國科會這邊也在積極的推動所謂主權AI的這個政策那其實之前輝達執行長或是AMD的執行長相繼來台我們其實有傳出說輝達跟AMD有意在台設立研發中心那我們主委也很積極的赴美拜訪相關的產業龍頭請問主委現在有沒有好消息有好消息他們會按照計畫進行所以你現在還不能公佈有任何的進度\n499606\t501333\t因為可能現在正在簽約的階段\n506413\t530381\t提到這個部分主權AI的這個部分我們所要發展的其實因為其實輝達執行長也一直提倡說主權AI這個部分希望我們台灣要自行建立自己的資料庫我們自己的算力及雲端服務系統都要提升但我們台灣目前的狀況就是說我們通訊軟體都是使用國外現在大家現在使用非常普遍非常方便LINE我們的資料中心都一樣是國外這其實對國家的安全有一定的疑慮\n531121\t541880\t所以希望說我們主權AI的這個部分我客會你們也要有一個長期的規劃而且要有一個制定一個目標那現在是不是可以透露說你們目前對這個有什麼規劃\n543632\t561160\t主權AI嗎有我們在114年我們已經啟動一些跨部會的這個合作包含我們要建立我們自自主的運算資料中心以及超級電腦然後發展我們自主的AI的系統能夠支持我們其他\n561800\t564061\t所以國科會這邊已經有左手在規劃這個部分好了最後本席這邊要提醒國科會我們建立主權AI的前提是要需要有一部完善的法規\n585774\t604053\t包括AI使用的界限AI隱私權等等的規範所以AI基本法應該要儘速的提出我們要完備AI自通安全AI基本法就要趕快提出那這個會期主委你們能送到立法院嗎報告委員我們AI基本法預告結束預告結束後我們\n605054\t605794\t李怡瑾委員\n","txt":"謝主席請國科會吳主委有請吳主委陳委員好\n早安各位長期都有關心關於科普教育的推動那從上一屆第10屆開始就一直敦促國科會這邊要擴大辦理關於科普列車但也很感謝我們國科會這邊存善如流也一直持續的在辦理但是我發現說科普列車辦理這麼多年實際上我們供學生體驗的時間他只有在上車的這段時間到下一個車站其實這個因為他一站一站這樣子走\n學生上來體驗完之後學生下車那換下一批的學生上來所以他其實他體驗的時間很短暫只有大概30到40分鐘那這樣子的一個短暫的時間其實對科普教育的持續深化其實效果應該算是蠻有限的這邊想請教主委在學生他們體驗完科普列車之後我們國科會這邊有沒有預計如何繼續的持續來深化這些科普教育\n我們其實有給參與這個科普教育的學者計劃那個計劃除了科普列車引起這些年輕中小學的學生的興趣之外那我們也希望說將來他們跟這個大學教授所帶領的這個科普的團隊能夠也連結起來在地方上因為所有的教授也遍佈在全國地方上連結以後他們就可以持續的在那個各大學在地方的場域\n就不斷的可以有接觸那那個教育部其實也在持續在深耕科學教育的部分那主委的意思是說科普列車是一個起點那你們會讓後面的部分讓教師教授來接手嗎那其實這邊我要向國科會這邊來建議是不是我們也可以參考一下故宮的這個創客模範列車的這個方式他是結合跨領域的學科來連結故宮的文物而且是深入校園來推廣\n﹗\n﹏﹏\n好謝謝陳委員這個建議很好我們來研議一下因為很多教材都是教授發展出來的看看怎麼樣由他們來推廣推廣這些教材我們也可以來協助這個部分也希望說主委你近來已經承諾說你們會來思考說如何讓這些教材這些教具可以善加的利用還可以能夠普及到這些小朋友\n接下來我要請教\n我們國會會從2019年開始辦理第三期的國家太空科技發展長程計劃這個計劃本來是要到2028年就是從2019到2028年但目前是有意將計劃延長到2031年並且計劃裡面會新增V5G計劃還有那個同步軌道衛星計劃以及太空發展相關的計劃都會納入\n那預計要增加400億元喔但是國科會這邊有說要修正這個整個計畫納入之後要修正這個將近一年都沒有進展我想請問主委說目前你們這個整個計畫你們的修正的研議程度是進度到如何那你們什麼時候才會把計畫送到行政院來確定\n包括陳委員其實我們修正的方向已經大略確定了那我們在下個禮拜會有一個衛星通訊的這個SRB就是全國的產學研各界共同討論我們未來衛星通訊整個國家策略的發展\n現在大概目標都已經完善了下禮拜的會議結束以後我們在太空計畫的修正在下次的董事會也會定案那朝向邁向我們原來是這個遙測衛星跟氣象衛星邁向真正通訊衛星的這個時代這是一個非常艱鉅的任務那因為要帶進很多新的技術\n秀寳\n因為現在雖然目前我們的總預算還被在野黨他們推在程序委員會但是本期希望說國會這邊要很積極的來關於這個部分你們的修正你們的計畫跟你們的期程要符合你們本來的規定你們本來你們的規劃因為我們要增加的是高達400億的計畫讓整個的預算規模可能會超過650億所以這個計畫不能再拖好那剛才主委你也提到說關於這個低軌的通訊衛星非常的重要\n雖然它比較困難但是它真的是非常的重要我們在第三期裡面增加的這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫呢也原本預計在2026年要發射但是因為疫情種種的因素呢那我們估計太空中心這邊估計說要到2027年才能發射我想請教主委目前我們這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫進度怎麼樣在2027年能不能如期的發射\n我們的確是因為疫情那幾年全世界發射廠等等都中斷了所以有延後了那我們在2027我們可以規劃2027可以發射是可如期的主委有這個信心\n主委有信心在2027年可以如期發射?現在有信心B5G的低軌衛星是通訊衛星國科會也在研議是否要爭取納入國家公共基礎建設?主委這個部分我們研議了如何?預計什麼時候可以完成評估?\n所以你們目前的評估是覺得說\n在短短幾年內因為這個技術非常的困難那我們還要尋求國際合作目前已經在洽談當中本期這邊也要提醒國科會V5G低軌衛星計畫也是台灣第一個通訊的衛星發射計畫那也會奠定我們國內的這個低軌通訊衛星的這個基礎那也希望說就可以帶動到我們整個產業鏈的發展\n但是呢通訊衛星存在有關的通訊資料這個國會這邊應該也要延將來辦理相關資通安全的計畫主委你覺得沒有錯我們下禮拜的會也把通訊衛星通訊的資安的項目也納進來那個非常重要項目謝謝委員提醒\n接下來我要請教主委我們國科會這邊也在積極的推動所謂主權AI的這個政策那其實之前輝達執行長或是AMD的執行長相繼來台我們其實有傳出說輝達跟AMD有意在台設立研發中心那我們主委也很積極的赴美拜訪相關的產業龍頭請問主委現在有沒有好消息有好消息他們會按照計畫進行所以你現在還不能公佈有任何的進度\n因為可能現在正在簽約的階段\n提到這個部分主權AI的這個部分我們所要發展的其實因為其實輝達執行長也一直提倡說主權AI這個部分希望我們台灣要自行建立自己的資料庫我們自己的算力及雲端服務系統都要提升但我們台灣目前的狀況就是說我們通訊軟體都是使用國外現在大家現在使用非常普遍非常方便LINE我們的資料中心都一樣是國外這其實對國家的安全有一定的疑慮\n所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10:22:01","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。\n【10月7日及9日二天一次會】）","id":155284,"gazette":{"lineno":333,"blocks":[["陳委員秀寳：（10時11分）謝謝主席，請國科會吳主委。"],["主席：有請吳主委。"],["吳主任委員誠文：陳委員好。"],["陳委員秀寳：主委早安！主委，本席長期都在關心科普教育的推動，從上一屆、第10屆開始，就一直敦促國科會要擴大辦理科普列車，也很感謝國科會從善如流，一直持續在辦理。但我發現科普列車辦理這麼多年，實際上提供給學生體驗的時間，只有在學生上車到下個車站下車的這段時間，因為它是一站一站這樣走，學生上來，體驗完之後就下車，換下一批學生上來，所以體驗時間很短暫，大概只有30到40分鐘，在這樣短暫的時間裡，其實對科普教育的持續深化，效果應該是蠻有限的。在此，我想請教主委，學生體驗完科普列車之後，國科會有沒有預計如何持續深化這些科普教育？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們其實有給參與科普教育的學者計畫，那個計畫除了科普列車引起這些年輕人、中小學學生的興趣之外，也希望將來他們跟這個大學教授所帶領的科普團隊可以鏈結起來。因為教授是遍布在全國，如果可以跟地方連結，他們就可以持續在各大學、在地方的場域，不斷的有所接觸，另外，教育部其實也持續在深耕科學教育的部分。"],["陳委員秀寳：主委的意思是科普列車是一個起點，後面的部分，你們會讓教師、教授接手？"],["吳主任委員誠文：對。"],["陳委員秀寳：這邊我要向國科會建議，是不是可以參考故宮的「創客魔幻列車」方式？它是結合跨領域的學科來連結故宮文物，而且深入校園推廣，到學校直接跟學生有一個比較深度的互動。我希望國科會可以跟教育部合作，製作可以繼續使用的科普教案、教材跟教具供學校使用，也就是在學生體驗完科普列車的活動之後，剩下的這些教材、教具可以持續提供給學校使用，而不是說明年度換一個新的主題，這些教材、教具就都沒用了，這樣其實也是非常浪費。"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，謝謝陳委員，這個建議很好，我們來研議一下，因為很多教材都是教授發展出來的，看看要怎麼樣由他們來推廣這些教材，我們可以來協助。"],["陳委員秀寳：既然主委已經承諾會思考如何讓這些教材、教具可以善加利用……"],["吳主任委員誠文：還能夠普及到這些小朋友……"],["陳委員秀寳：我們提供給學校，或者提供給這些孩子體驗的園區，就可以不會這麼浪費，用一次就沒用了，這部分，我要謝謝主委願意用心。臺灣發展半導體、AI科技，都需要培養人才，所以深化科普教育是國科會非常重要且嚴肅的課題，謝謝主委願意一起來，我們一起來加油。","接下來，我要請教國科會從2019年開始辦理的第三期國家太空科技發展長程計畫。這個計畫本來要到2028年，就是從2019到2028年，目前有意將計畫延長到2031年，並在計畫裡新增B5G計畫、同步軌道衛星計畫，以及太空發展相關計畫，預計要增加400億元，國科會表示這整個計畫納入之後要修正，卻將近一年都沒有進展，請問主委，目前這整個計畫修正的研議進度如何？你們什麼時候才會把計畫送到行政院核定？"],["吳主任委員誠文：報告陳委員，計畫修正的方向已經大略確定，我們在下個禮拜會有一個衛星通訊的SRV，就是全國產、學、研各界共同來討論未來衛星通訊整個國家策略的發展，現在目標大概都已經完善了，下禮拜會議結束以後，有關太空計畫的修正，在下次的董事會也會定案，原來的遙測衛星跟氣象衛星，將邁向真正通訊衛星的時代，這是一個非常艱鉅的任務，因為要帶進很多新的技術，以及要跟半導體結合，所以它的期程會拉長，我們的規劃是到2031年，這個修正案在董事會通過以後，年底之前就會確定。"],["陳委員秀寳：年底之前會送？"],["吳主任委員誠文：是。"],["陳委員秀寳：雖然目前總預算還被在野黨擋在程序委員會，但本席希望國科會可以積極地修正你們的計畫，相關期程也要符合你們本來的規劃……"],["吳主任委員誠文：是，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員秀寳：因為是一個要增加高達400億的計畫，整個預算規模可能會超過650億，所以這個計畫不能再拖。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是，謝謝。"],["陳委員秀寳：另外，剛才主委提到低軌通訊衛星非常的重要，雖然它比較困難，但它真的非常重要，你們在第三期裡增加了B5G低軌衛星計畫，原本預計2026年要發射，但因為疫情等種種因素，太空中心估計要到2027年才能發射，我想請教主委，目前這個B5G低軌衛星計畫進度如何？2027年能不能如期發射？"],["吳主任委員誠文：的確是因為疫情因素，那幾年全世界發射場等都中斷了，所以有延後，目前我們規劃2027年可以發射第一顆。"],["陳委員秀寳：是可以如期的，主委有這個信心？"],["吳主任委員誠文：怎麼樣？"],["陳委員秀寳：我說主委有這個信心，在2027年可以如期發射？"],["吳主任委員誠文：現在有信心。"],["陳委員秀寳：那要加油！B5G低軌衛星是通訊衛星，國科會也在研議是不是要爭取納入國家公共基礎建設，主委，這部分研議的如何？預計什麼時候可以完成評估？"],["吳主任委員誠文：星系的部分，國家公共基礎建設是要很多顆衛星，那個可能還需要一段時間，不會在近期內。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以你們目前的評估是認為現在還沒有辦法直接把它納入？"],["吳主任委員誠文：在短短幾年內，因為這個技術非常困難，我們還要尋求國際合作，目前已經在洽談當中。"],["陳委員秀寳：在洽談中？"],["吳主任委員誠文：是，是。"],["陳委員秀寳：本席也要提醒國科會，B5G低軌衛星計畫是臺灣第一個通訊衛星發射計畫，將會奠定我國低軌通訊衛星的基礎，希望可以帶動整個產業鏈的發展。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是。"],["陳委員秀寳：但是通訊衛星承載有關的通訊資料，國科會應該也要嚴加辦理相關資通安全計畫。主委，你覺得呢？"],["吳主任委員誠文：沒有錯，我們下禮拜的會議也把衛星通訊的資安項目納進來，那是非常重要的項目，謝謝委員提醒。"],["陳委員秀寳：接下來我要請教主委，國科會也在積極推動所謂主權AI政策，其實之前輝達執行長或AMD執行長相繼來臺，傳出輝達跟AMD有意在臺設立研發中心，主委也很積極赴美拜訪相關產業龍頭，請問主委，現在有沒有好消息？"],["吳主任委員誠文：有好消息，他們會按照計畫進行。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以現在還不能公布任何的進度？"],["吳主任委員誠文：因為現在正在簽約階段，就是跟經濟部……"],["陳委員秀寳：我為什麼提到我們所要發展的主權AI這個部分？因為輝達執行長也一直提倡主權AI，希望臺灣要自行建立自己的資料庫，我們自己的算力及雲端服務系統都要提升。臺灣目前的狀況就是通訊軟體都是使用國外，像大家現在使用非常普遍、非常方便的LINE，連我們的資料中心都一樣是國外，這其實對國家的安全有一定的疑慮。所以希望主權AI的這個部分，國科會要有長期的規劃，而且要有一個制定的目標，現在是不是可以透露你們目前對這個有什麼規劃？"],["吳主任委員誠文：主權AI嗎？有，我們在114年已經啟動一些跨部會的合作，包含要建立我們自主的運算資料中心以及超級電腦，然後發展自主的AI系統，能夠支持高科技產業之外其他產業的發展。自主的AI系統要用我們自主的資料、國內的資料，資料要留在國內，系統我們自己設計，要培養我們自己的雲端服務的廠商，不需要仰賴國際的廠商。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以國科會已經有著手在規劃這個部分？"],["吳主任委員誠文：有著手在規劃。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，最後本席要提醒國科會，我們建立主權AI的前提是需要有一部完善的法規，包括AI使用的界限、AI隱私權等等的規範，所以AI基本法應該要儘速的提出，我們要完備AI資通安全，AI基本法就要趕快提出。主委，這個會期你們能送到立法院嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：報告委員，我們AI基本法預告結束後，蒐集所有的意見，修訂以後，國科會的法規會已經通過，所有法制程序完成，我們也在行政院透過3個政委主持的會議，各部會溝通協調，把相關的法系、架構都定義出來了，所以我們預計在10月底之前會報行政院。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，謝謝主委。"],["主席：好，謝謝陳秀寳委員，主委請回。","我們接下來有請林宜瑾委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":428,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-3","speakers":["萬美玲","林倩綺","洪孟楷","柯志恩","陳培瑜","張雅琳","陳秀寳","林宜瑾","郭昱晴","范雲","吳沛憶","葛如鈞","葉元之","吳春城","王定宇","鍾佳濱","羅廷瑋","羅智強","陳冠廷","張嘉郡","邱志偉"],"page_start":375,"meetingDate":["2024-10-09"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00012"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138101_00017"}}}