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00:02:54,813\n這個就是依照各土地管理機關針對他的土地出租他可以有一個給予其業務執掌對這個這個其實我在想說剛剛我一開始在問說就是\n\n9\n00:03:00,220 --> 00:03:21,836\n國有林地出租很清楚你講到這個部分按照財政部國有非公用不動產租賃作業程序這裏面當中那個我們礦業法裏面的一個規定8%可是裏面並沒有生態系服務價值這樣子的一個字眼的一個收費這個部分土地管理機關本來就有這樣的權責可以針對他土地的租用可以來做這樣的認定這個在\n\n10\n00:03:23,097 --> 00:03:23,938\n因為按照憲法第19條租稅法定原則\n\n11\n00:03:51,257 --> 00:03:51,537\n租金還不到8%是這個意思嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:13,829 --> 00:04:13,849\n謝謝署長\n\n13\n00:04:41,704 --> 00:05:06,275\n接下來我想問一個有關於明年紐西蘭鮮乳要進口的問題針對這個部分我們農業部應該也有些因應的措施我有看到部長報告裡面有說建構弱農產業戀良好的環境針對這個部分的時候我想請教一下對於鮮乳定義的部分我們農業部這邊跟\n\n14\n00:05:09,416 --> 00:05:32,663\n衛福部那邊是不是已經溝通好了鮮乳的標示定義要怎麼去做處理衛福部還要開會我們的立場一直很一致就是針對現在目前國外進口的鮮乳有90天的這個期限的部分我們是比較傾向於是用長效乳的部分去處理而且我們也正式行文給衛福部了\n\n15\n00:05:33,223 --> 00:05:34,184\n部長,所以我們希望你這邊能夠很堅持\n\n16\n00:05:49,159 --> 00:06:10,058\n因為如果農業對於鮮乳這兩個字眼就像我一般消費者在認定的我們覺得鮮乳就是很新鮮的你如果說變成是一個保守乳長效乳這個狀態來講對我們來說它就不是鮮乳所以我們像農業部這邊能夠真正的去堅持那我要特別提到是因為每次比方說我們農業有碰到所有的問題的時候各部會其實都會來幫忙\n\n17\n00:06:12,000 --> 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