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00:00:31,822\n我想AI已經成為這個世代不可忽略的那個關鍵詞那榮太院長也有說過台灣應該進入主權AI的時代那讓台灣的人民可以感受到生活在智慧科技島那主權AI在這個詞彙的理解上本身認為AI在工具上要具有防御\n\n3\n00:00:34,203 --> 00:01:00,859\n主委認為主權AI要有什麼樣的條件?可不可以簡單回答?第一我們的訓練資料要用我們國內自主的資料不要參照對我們不利的這些資料第二我們的資料要留在國內訓練的資料跟應用的資料都要留在國內所以我們自己要建我們自己的資料中心我們的超級電腦第三我們要發展自己的應用系統\n\n4\n00:01:02,222 --> 00:01:03,683\n我看了這個幾個部會下半年度這個預算書我們搜尋關鍵字後發現\n\n5\n00:01:28,735 --> 00:01:28,995\n國科會其實已經結束\n\n6\n00:01:55,137 --> 00:02:16,986\n人工智慧基本法的預告收集了不少意見可是其中有不少的民間團體都認為這部草案應該要有更多的各自上的人權保障因為這樣子可以請求防止權力侵害的條文但是就我的理解這部基本法不是作用法\n\n7\n00:02:17,967 --> 00:02:25,437\n所以他沒有辦法實質對人民產生作用或讓人民具體可以有請求權關於這點主委是不是要藉這個機會來說明一下對於民間團體這個疑慮要如何解決\n\n8\n00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:58,764\n謝謝委員的確我們這個基本法會兼顧人權的保障這個是確定的那當然在這個基本法裡面我們不會寫到那個細項也不會寫到法則那我們的做法就是讓這個基本法趕快能夠在立法院通過以後那讓各部位可以依據它來制定更明確的作用法那這個作用法的部分我們一定會保護到剛剛委員提醒了所有的人權的部分都會保護到\n\n9\n00:02:59,244 --> 00:02:59,304\n好,最好\n\n10\n00:03:25,581 --> 00:03:46,988\n我想再繼續這個AI基本法的討論就是說這部基本法只有規範我國境內的AI使用者嗎但是我們知道科技的使用是無國界的所以我們舉凡外國的AI如果涉及台灣人民權利義務者他有辦法適用這部基本法的規範嗎那會不會阻礙產業的發展主委\n\n11\n00:03:50,697 --> 00:04:14,158\n我們相信因為這個法律要保護我們的國民也要促進我們國內產業的發展所以這個基本法這個法律當然適用範圍我們國內一定適用的但是國際的廠商到台灣來執行這個業務的時候我們當然也要規範它所以將來我們各部會都會有相關的這個作用法會來進行這一部分的規範\n\n12\n00:04:14,798 --> 00:04:39,549\n那如果外國的AI的使用是不符合這部草案的原則那可能我們國科會草案的第三條的跟他的任何一點第三條的任何一點有抵觸的話那或許涉及侵權或許涉及其他的法律責任的時候那請教主委這部基本法應該它的這個效力界線到底在哪裡?到了哪邊?\n\n13\n00:04:41,499 --> 00:04:49,026\n你懂我的意思嗎?這一部分如果他的業務有牽涉到我們國內的國民的話應該都會同樣要受到約束的都有法律責任應該都是要\n\n14\n00:04:57,694 --> 00:05:25,160\n我想AI它固然具很大的便利我想這也是一個雙面刃那所以我請國科會務必要競速跟各個相關的部會就如同您剛剛說要討論這些執法作用法的訂定那讓各層面的AI使用我們進入風險的升級分級還有納入管制我想這才是最需要的所以是不是可以請國科會競速將您目前怎麼樣預計協調就剛剛您說的\n\n15\n00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:54,222\n各部會：認養認領AI的作用法的這些相關的法令做一些書面報告給我好嗎好謝謝林委員我們採用的不會是歐盟的分級我們用分類因為分類在不同的應用上它可以有彈性的讓在不侵犯人權的狀態之下可以鼓勵產業創新的發展但是在必要的時候分類也包含分級必要的時候有些應用非常的重要對\n\n16\n00:05:55,083 --> 00:05:55,944\n我只想利用一點時間跟您討論運用科學的運用運動科學的運用\n\n17\n00:06:10,453 --> 00:06:15,137\n國科會在運科研究不只是針對運動員的需求去研發我們更要推動科研成果產業化\n\n18\n00:06:27,508 --> 00:06:53,274\n對那上個會期本席在擔任召委的時候我有安排去考察這個高雄的國訓中心那我們看到許多科學化的這個運動訓練然後運動的防護跟體育選手的這個後勤支援那其中像射箭選手這個圖又是這樣射箭選手那個林子祥他就有出來展示射箭的這個運動科研的成果那藉由精密的這些運動科學的儀器的分析來提升他們的運動表現那我想\n\n19\n00:06:55,735 --> 00:07:21,259\n雖然在運動科學上可能在競技的層面比較多可是也就是說我們以技巧來相互切磋那智慧監測運動選手的身體變化來綜合分析給出一些建議來提升選手的實力可是我想關注的是說他如何能產業化平民化也就是說不一定是競技至上也有可能是提倡正確的這個運動方式\n\n20\n00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:42,972\n為什麼要這樣子說?就會來預防運動的傷害嗎?所以我想請教主委說我們這邊所提的運科科研成果產業化具體來說會是什麼樣的內容跟規劃?那我們要如何讓全民享受這個運動科研的果實?\n\n21\n00:07:43,952 --> 00:07:44,152\n報告委員：\n\n22\n00:08:06,212 --> 00:08:06,432\n您會慢慢來鋪牌?\n\n23\n00:08:24,651 --> 00:08:47,830\n是,我們會協助科技產業因為現在看得到就是類似像說這些競技選手的這個訓練那怎麼引進民間怎麼讓它平民化產業化你們會有一套系統的做法有,我們國科會在學術研究上面也會把科技領域的教授跟運動領域的教授結合在一起讓他們彼此互相可以把需求端跟供應端連結在一起然後把廠商也帶進來因為我們那個產學處也有計畫來支持這個\n\n24\n00:08:51,573 --> 00:08:51,733\n謝謝主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1488\t2549\t主席邀請吳主委\n10339\t31822\t我想AI已經成為這個世代不可忽略的那個關鍵詞那榮太院長也有說過台灣應該進入主權AI的時代那讓台灣的人民可以感受到生活在智慧科技島那主權AI在這個詞彙的理解上本身認為AI在工具上要具有防御\n34203\t60859\t主委認為主權AI要有什麼樣的條件?可不可以簡單回答?第一我們的訓練資料要用我們國內自主的資料不要參照對我們不利的這些資料第二我們的資料要留在國內訓練的資料跟應用的資料都要留在國內所以我們自己要建我們自己的資料中心我們的超級電腦第三我們要發展自己的應用系統\n62222\t63683\t我看了這個幾個部會下半年度這個預算書我們搜尋關鍵字後發現\n88735\t88995\t國科會其實已經結束\n115137\t136986\t人工智慧基本法的預告收集了不少意見可是其中有不少的民間團體都認為這部草案應該要有更多的各自上的人權保障因為這樣子可以請求防止權力侵害的條文但是就我的理解這部基本法不是作用法\n137967\t145437\t所以他沒有辦法實質對人民產生作用或讓人民具體可以有請求權關於這點主委是不是要藉這個機會來說明一下對於民間團體這個疑慮要如何解決\n152320\t178764\t謝謝委員的確我們這個基本法會兼顧人權的保障這個是確定的那當然在這個基本法裡面我們不會寫到那個細項也不會寫到法則那我們的做法就是讓這個基本法趕快能夠在立法院通過以後那讓各部位可以依據它來制定更明確的作用法那這個作用法的部分我們一定會保護到剛剛委員提醒了所有的人權的部分都會保護到\n179244\t179304\t好,最好\n205581\t226988\t我想再繼續這個AI基本法的討論就是說這部基本法只有規範我國境內的AI使用者嗎但是我們知道科技的使用是無國界的所以我們舉凡外國的AI如果涉及台灣人民權利義務者他有辦法適用這部基本法的規範嗎那會不會阻礙產業的發展 主委\n230697\t254158\t我們相信因為這個法律要保護我們的國民也要促進我們國內產業的發展所以這個基本法這個法律當然適用範圍我們國內一定適用的但是國際的廠商到台灣來執行這個業務的時候我們當然也要規範它所以將來我們各部會都會有相關的這個作用法會來進行這一部分的規範\n254798\t279549\t那如果外國的AI的使用是不符合這部草案的原則那可能我們國科會草案的第三條的跟他的任何一點第三條的任何一點有抵觸的話那或許涉及侵權或許涉及其他的法律責任的時候那請教主委這部基本法應該它的這個效力界線到底在哪裡?到了哪邊?\n281499\t289026\t你懂我的意思嗎?這一部分如果他的業務有牽涉到我們國內的國民的話應該都會同樣要受到約束的都有法律責任應該都是要\n297694\t325160\t我想AI它固然具很大的便利我想這也是一個雙面刃那所以我請國科會務必要競速跟各個相關的部會就如同您剛剛說要討論這些執法作用法的訂定那讓各層面的AI使用我們進入風險的升級分級還有納入管制我想這才是最需要的所以是不是可以請國科會競速將您目前怎麼樣預計協調就剛剛您說的\n327840\t354222\t各部會：認養認領AI的作用法的這些相關的法令做一些書面報告給我好嗎好謝謝林委員我們採用的不會是歐盟的分級我們用分類因為分類在不同的應用上它可以有彈性的讓在不侵犯人權的狀態之下可以鼓勵產業創新的發展但是在必要的時候分類也包含分級必要的時候有些應用非常的重要對\n355083\t355944\t我只想利用一點時間跟您討論運用科學的運用運動科學的運用\n370453\t375137\t國科會在運科研究不只是針對運動員的需求去研發我們更要推動科研成果產業化\n387508\t413274\t對那上個會期本席在擔任召委的時候我有安排去考察這個高雄的國訓中心那我們看到許多科學化的這個運動訓練然後運動的防護跟體育選手的這個後勤支援那其中像射箭選手這個圖又是這樣射箭選手那個林子祥他就有出來展示射箭的這個運動科研的成果那藉由精密的這些運動科學的儀器的分析來提升他們的運動表現那我想\n415735\t441259\t雖然在運動科學上可能在競技的層面比較多可是也就是說我們以技巧來相互切磋那智慧監測運動選手的身體變化來綜合分析給出一些建議來提升選手的實力可是我想關注的是說他如何能產業化平民化也就是說不一定是競技至上也有可能是提倡正確的這個運動方式\n444620\t462972\t為什麼要這樣子說?就會來預防運動的傷害嗎?所以我想請教主委說我們這邊所提的運科科研成果產業化具體來說會是什麼樣的內容跟規劃?那我們要如何讓全民享受這個運動科研的果實?\n463952\t464152\t報告委員：\n486212\t486432\t您會慢慢來鋪牌?\n504651\t527830\t是,我們會協助科技產業因為現在看得到就是類似像說這些競技選手的這個訓練那怎麼引進民間怎麼讓它平民化產業化你們會有一套系統的做法有,我們國科會在學術研究上面也會把科技領域的教授跟運動領域的教授結合在一起讓他們彼此互相可以把需求端跟供應端連結在一起然後把廠商也帶進來因為我們那個產學處也有計畫來支持這個\n531573\t531733\t謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","txt":"主席邀請吳主委\n我想AI已經成為這個世代不可忽略的那個關鍵詞那榮太院長也有說過台灣應該進入主權AI的時代那讓台灣的人民可以感受到生活在智慧科技島那主權AI在這個詞彙的理解上本身認為AI在工具上要具有防御\n主委認為主權AI要有什麼樣的條件?可不可以簡單回答?第一我們的訓練資料要用我們國內自主的資料不要參照對我們不利的這些資料第二我們的資料要留在國內訓練的資料跟應用的資料都要留在國內所以我們自己要建我們自己的資料中心我們的超級電腦第三我們要發展自己的應用系統\n我看了這個幾個部會下半年度這個預算書我們搜尋關鍵字後發現\n國科會其實已經結束\n人工智慧基本法的預告收集了不少意見可是其中有不少的民間團體都認為這部草案應該要有更多的各自上的人權保障因為這樣子可以請求防止權力侵害的條文但是就我的理解這部基本法不是作用法\n所以他沒有辦法實質對人民產生作用或讓人民具體可以有請求權關於這點主委是不是要藉這個機會來說明一下對於民間團體這個疑慮要如何解決\n謝謝委員的確我們這個基本法會兼顧人權的保障這個是確定的那當然在這個基本法裡面我們不會寫到那個細項也不會寫到法則那我們的做法就是讓這個基本法趕快能夠在立法院通過以後那讓各部位可以依據它來制定更明確的作用法那這個作用法的部分我們一定會保護到剛剛委員提醒了所有的人權的部分都會保護到\n好,最好\n我想再繼續這個AI基本法的討論就是說這部基本法只有規範我國境內的AI使用者嗎但是我們知道科技的使用是無國界的所以我們舉凡外國的AI如果涉及台灣人民權利義務者他有辦法適用這部基本法的規範嗎那會不會阻礙產業的發展 主委\n我們相信因為這個法律要保護我們的國民也要促進我們國內產業的發展所以這個基本法這個法律當然適用範圍我們國內一定適用的但是國際的廠商到台灣來執行這個業務的時候我們當然也要規範它所以將來我們各部會都會有相關的這個作用法會來進行這一部分的規範\n那如果外國的AI的使用是不符合這部草案的原則那可能我們國科會草案的第三條的跟他的任何一點第三條的任何一點有抵觸的話那或許涉及侵權或許涉及其他的法律責任的時候那請教主委這部基本法應該它的這個效力界線到底在哪裡?到了哪邊?\n你懂我的意思嗎?這一部分如果他的業務有牽涉到我們國內的國民的話應該都會同樣要受到約束的都有法律責任應該都是要\n我想AI它固然具很大的便利我想這也是一個雙面刃那所以我請國科會務必要競速跟各個相關的部會就如同您剛剛說要討論這些執法作用法的訂定那讓各層面的AI使用我們進入風險的升級分級還有納入管制我想這才是最需要的所以是不是可以請國科會競速將您目前怎麼樣預計協調就剛剛您說的\n各部會：認養認領AI的作用法的這些相關的法令做一些書面報告給我好嗎好謝謝林委員我們採用的不會是歐盟的分級我們用分類因為分類在不同的應用上它可以有彈性的讓在不侵犯人權的狀態之下可以鼓勵產業創新的發展但是在必要的時候分類也包含分級必要的時候有些應用非常的重要對\n我只想利用一點時間跟您討論運用科學的運用運動科學的運用\n國科會在運科研究不只是針對運動員的需求去研發我們更要推動科研成果產業化\n對那上個會期本席在擔任召委的時候我有安排去考察這個高雄的國訓中心那我們看到許多科學化的這個運動訓練然後運動的防護跟體育選手的這個後勤支援那其中像射箭選手這個圖又是這樣射箭選手那個林子祥他就有出來展示射箭的這個運動科研的成果那藉由精密的這些運動科學的儀器的分析來提升他們的運動表現那我想\n雖然在運動科學上可能在競技的層面比較多可是也就是說我們以技巧來相互切磋那智慧監測運動選手的身體變化來綜合分析給出一些建議來提升選手的實力可是我想關注的是說他如何能產業化平民化也就是說不一定是競技至上也有可能是提倡正確的這個運動方式\n為什麼要這樣子說?就會來預防運動的傷害嗎?所以我想請教主委說我們這邊所提的運科科研成果產業化具體來說會是什麼樣的內容跟規劃?那我們要如何讓全民享受這個運動科研的果實?\n報告委員：\n您會慢慢來鋪牌?\n是,我們會協助科技產業因為現在看得到就是類似像說這些競技選手的這個訓練那怎麼引進民間怎麼讓它平民化產業化你們會有一套系統的做法有,我們國科會在學術研究上面也會把科技領域的教授跟運動領域的教授結合在一起讓他們彼此互相可以把需求端跟供應端連結在一起然後把廠商也帶進來因為我們那個產學處也有計畫來支持這個\n謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.488 --> 00:02.549\n主席邀請吳主委\n\n00:10.339 --> 00:31.822\n我想AI已經成為這個世代不可忽略的那個關鍵詞那榮太院長也有說過台灣應該進入主權AI的時代那讓台灣的人民可以感受到生活在智慧科技島那主權AI在這個詞彙的理解上本身認為AI在工具上要具有防御\n\n00:34.203 --> 01:00.859\n主委認為主權AI要有什麼樣的條件?可不可以簡單回答?第一我們的訓練資料要用我們國內自主的資料不要參照對我們不利的這些資料第二我們的資料要留在國內訓練的資料跟應用的資料都要留在國內所以我們自己要建我們自己的資料中心我們的超級電腦第三我們要發展自己的應用系統\n\n01:02.222 --> 01:03.683\n我看了這個幾個部會下半年度這個預算書我們搜尋關鍵字後發現\n\n01:28.735 --> 01:28.995\n國科會其實已經結束\n\n01:55.137 --> 02:16.986\n人工智慧基本法的預告收集了不少意見可是其中有不少的民間團體都認為這部草案應該要有更多的各自上的人權保障因為這樣子可以請求防止權力侵害的條文但是就我的理解這部基本法不是作用法\n\n02:17.967 --> 02:25.437\n所以他沒有辦法實質對人民產生作用或讓人民具體可以有請求權關於這點主委是不是要藉這個機會來說明一下對於民間團體這個疑慮要如何解決\n\n02:32.320 --> 02:58.764\n謝謝委員的確我們這個基本法會兼顧人權的保障這個是確定的那當然在這個基本法裡面我們不會寫到那個細項也不會寫到法則那我們的做法就是讓這個基本法趕快能夠在立法院通過以後那讓各部位可以依據它來制定更明確的作用法那這個作用法的部分我們一定會保護到剛剛委員提醒了所有的人權的部分都會保護到\n\n02:59.244 --> 02:59.304\n好,最好\n\n03:25.581 --> 03:46.988\n我想再繼續這個AI基本法的討論就是說這部基本法只有規範我國境內的AI使用者嗎但是我們知道科技的使用是無國界的所以我們舉凡外國的AI如果涉及台灣人民權利義務者他有辦法適用這部基本法的規範嗎那會不會阻礙產業的發展主委\n\n03:50.697 --> 04:14.158\n我們相信因為這個法律要保護我們的國民也要促進我們國內產業的發展所以這個基本法這個法律當然適用範圍我們國內一定適用的但是國際的廠商到台灣來執行這個業務的時候我們當然也要規範它所以將來我們各部會都會有相關的這個作用法會來進行這一部分的規範\n\n04:14.798 --> 04:39.549\n那如果外國的AI的使用是不符合這部草案的原則那可能我們國科會草案的第三條的跟他的任何一點第三條的任何一點有抵觸的話那或許涉及侵權或許涉及其他的法律責任的時候那請教主委這部基本法應該它的這個效力界線到底在哪裡?到了哪邊?\n\n04:41.499 --> 04:49.026\n你懂我的意思嗎?這一部分如果他的業務有牽涉到我們國內的國民的話應該都會同樣要受到約束的都有法律責任應該都是要\n\n04:57.694 --> 05:25.160\n我想AI它固然具很大的便利我想這也是一個雙面刃那所以我請國科會務必要競速跟各個相關的部會就如同您剛剛說要討論這些執法作用法的訂定那讓各層面的AI使用我們進入風險的升級分級還有納入管制我想這才是最需要的所以是不是可以請國科會競速將您目前怎麼樣預計協調就剛剛您說的\n\n05:27.840 --> 05:54.222\n各部會：認養認領AI的作用法的這些相關的法令做一些書面報告給我好嗎好謝謝林委員我們採用的不會是歐盟的分級我們用分類因為分類在不同的應用上它可以有彈性的讓在不侵犯人權的狀態之下可以鼓勵產業創新的發展但是在必要的時候分類也包含分級必要的時候有些應用非常的重要對\n\n05:55.083 --> 05:55.944\n我只想利用一點時間跟您討論運用科學的運用運動科學的運用\n\n06:10.453 --> 06:15.137\n國科會在運科研究不只是針對運動員的需求去研發我們更要推動科研成果產業化\n\n06:27.508 --> 06:53.274\n對那上個會期本席在擔任召委的時候我有安排去考察這個高雄的國訓中心那我們看到許多科學化的這個運動訓練然後運動的防護跟體育選手的這個後勤支援那其中像射箭選手這個圖又是這樣射箭選手那個林子祥他就有出來展示射箭的這個運動科研的成果那藉由精密的這些運動科學的儀器的分析來提升他們的運動表現那我想\n\n06:55.735 --> 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