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請主委谷主委\n主委好在高雄市議會跟你質詢的時候我們沒有用過客家話今天帶著耳機來讓你用客語來回應我的這些質詢感謝委員謝謝我剛才其實一直在看這個我們一直想到一個事情\n我們其實橋委會針對海外僑胞其實不斷的有在各個海外比如說美國或者是澳洲那甚至歐洲那不斷的跟這些我們橋界有一些互動那有一個\n我自己小學的同學他們在國中的時候移民到澳洲但是我小學曾經跟他們回到他們的客家莊就是屏東某一個客家莊他們家的教育其實對我的同學非常非常注重客語\n所以我這一代我的同學他40幾歲了但是他移民到澳洲之後澳見了他的小孩\n他小孩現在是連國語都講得很吃力現在是我們連臺灣話也講得很吃力更不要說客語所以在這邊也想要建議客委會這邊是不是能主動的來跟我們僑委會這邊有一些聯繫如果僑委會在各個在尤其是在海外有相關的交流活動的時候\n我們是不是客委會也可以派員去這個對海外尤其是客家子弟來講我覺得是一個非常溫暖那甚至可以跟他們交流看看他們的下一代有沒有機會有沒有機會再學習客語來主委你有沒有這樣的想法\n好,感謝委員的建議,沒錯,可以在海外天衣櫥或天衣衫櫥,可以行公難學習：可以按照合約上判法：可運用的方式：跟客家委員會合作：可以邀請天衣櫥、天衣衫櫥,鼓勵臺灣：對,對,對\n例如臺灣也辦一些活動在他們最常回來臺灣的時間讓他們有學習客語的機會感謝委員提供意見我們也要奉勸我們能夠支持在客家基本法裡面我們規範什麼叫客家人臺灣現在我們這樣概括的來算的話客家民族應該有466萬人口\n臺灣人口接近百分之二十我以高雄市為例高雄市佔客家人口最…客家比例最高的當然是美農但是客家人口最多的卻是鳳山也就是剛才蘇巧慧委員在講的如果說會講客語的話初選的部分要不要加10%也就是說\n如果這個地區的客家人口多那我們要推廣相關的客家包含這個地區的公務人員是不是要有相關的這些會客語的這些人口當然包含語言的評鑑等等的這些我想這是科委會接下來要繼續努力的方向跟目標那接下來我請這個原民會主委感謝委員的支持感謝\n謝謝請曾主委我可以不用戴耳機了好像比較輕鬆剛剛感覺好像在講外國話這個是我必須要檢討的客家話不好那其實現在主委是你有使用過ChatGPT嗎還沒他這是一個現在年輕人最喜歡最慣用的一個APP這個APP我剛剛問他\n你會不會講臺灣原住民語他講的說他會齁他大概有五種阿美語、泰雅語、布農語、排灣語、魯凱語那要怎麼學習我就問他我如果要學習阿美語我有什麼方法齁\n哇,他列了好多種,我覺得可能會答得比主委還要厲害喔他說,參加語言課程、各地原住民、文化中心、社區大學、語言APP、網上資源等等的他有一共列了六、七種給我那其中有講到的就是我們原民會推出來的臺灣原住民語言學習APP\n對,這個APP的使用上我們還是希望可以在這個尤其是園鄉我們的原住民的小朋友們的這個推廣程度我覺得園民會還是可以做相關的這些推廣尤其有一點\n你要推廣這個APP你也要在原鄉裡面的這個相關的這些網路的設備跟地方政府要有相關的合作要去推廣進你有APP可是原民的小朋友有沒有辦法使用他有沒有IPAD可以使用他IPAD有沒有網路可以使用這個其實都是建議原民會可以多把資源放在這一些小孩身上主委你有沒有這樣的機會我們願意這樣子來做啦\n有一些預算原民會增加的這些預算其實我們都希望它可以擴大給更多的原民來使用而不是單就一項比如說禁法、補償、條例提高當然很好但是提高整個提高的這些預算的額度到底普發\n給禁法的人還是說可以更廣泛的來推廣原民的相關的業務我覺得這是原民會主委你必須要去正視這個問題尤其這個禮拜五可能是朝野要針對禁法補償條例這個預算來做這個\n相關的協商的時候主委你應該有一套你的想法可以好好的讓我們這一場朝野讓明年度的總預算可以順利的來進行是有沒有想法好有有沒有想法有有\n因為多出來的預算假如多出來我們可以做很多事情除了語言還有是不是對原住民的特別是像今年的奧運六面獎牌原住民就拿了三面那我們想說是不是這樣的部分我們也願意分攤一點體育部就是我們專對原住民的選手來看怎麼樣來從小來培養來運作這也是一個辦法很好好 主委請你加油謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.607 --> 00:06.871\n來請谷主委好請主委谷主委\n\n00:10.851 --> 00:33.878\n主委好在高雄市議會跟你質詢的時候我們沒有用過客家話今天帶著耳機來讓你用客語來回應我的這些質詢感謝委員謝謝我剛才其實一直在看這個我們一直想到一個事情\n\n00:36.270 --> 00:55.929\n我們其實橋委會針對海外僑胞其實不斷的有在各個海外比如說美國或者是澳洲那甚至歐洲那不斷的跟這些我們橋界有一些互動那有一個\n\n00:58.839 --> 01:19.414\n我自己小學的同學他們在國中的時候移民到澳洲但是我小學曾經跟他們回到他們的客家莊就是屏東某一個客家莊他們家的教育其實對我的同學非常非常注重客語\n\n01:20.583 --> 01:27.725\n所以我這一代我的同學他40幾歲了但是他移民到澳洲之後澳見了他的小孩\n\n01:28.356 --> 01:51.593\n他小孩現在是連國語都講得很吃力現在是我們連臺灣話也講得很吃力更不要說客語所以在這邊也想要建議客委會這邊是不是能主動的來跟我們僑委會這邊有一些聯繫如果僑委會在各個在尤其是在海外有相關的交流活動的時候\n\n01:52.233 --> 02:09.555\n我們是不是客委會也可以派員去這個對海外尤其是客家子弟來講我覺得是一個非常溫暖那甚至可以跟他們交流看看他們的下一代有沒有機會有沒有機會再學習客語來主委你有沒有這樣的想法\n\n02:09.775 --> 02:14.718\n好,感謝委員的建議,沒錯,可以在海外天衣櫥或天衣衫櫥,可以行公難學習：可以按照合約上判法：可運用的方式：跟客家委員會合作：可以邀請天衣櫥、天衣衫櫥,鼓勵臺灣：對,對,對\n\n02:33.250 --> 02:57.989\n例如臺灣也辦一些活動在他們最常回來臺灣的時間讓他們有學習客語的機會感謝委員提供意見我們也要奉勸我們能夠支持在客家基本法裡面我們規範什麼叫客家人臺灣現在我們這樣概括的來算的話客家民族應該有466萬人口\n\n03:02.343 --> 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